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>>3126456
its geography was autism. it was stuck between
>ebin prussia
> "austrian" empire
>expand till you fall russia
> (((ottoman) empire
>non pacifist sweeden

>>3127254
>stuck between slavs, sand nigger muslims and bbc cucks
honestly the only real threat is the aryans, not the aryan cucked swedes but the best aryans who actually stood up to judeo-bolshevism when it came for them

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>>3127428
What an insightful post

>>3126456
Yes
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm

No. It was liberum veto.

>>3127428
They are called sandniggers

>>3126456
plc is the ultimate argument against anarchism

>>3126456
polak shits were never relevant historically

only ever powerful slavs were russians

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>>3127857
>true
>>3128139
also for decentralization and loopholes
>>3128147
hurr durr poles subhumans and glorious ruskie meme

>>3128147
Daily reminder that Poolaks captured Moscow before Ruskies captured Warsaw. And since Poolaks aren't niggers they didn't burn Moscow to the ground and kill all of its inhabitants even though they had every right to.

>>3128139
PLC is perfect example for
>never trust Germans

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>>3128527
you speak the truth brother

>>3128527
more like never trust any of your neighbours

>>3126679
>pagan larper

Jogaila was Orthodox.

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>>3129046
This dude? Favoring religious tolerance doesn't make him Orthodox.

>>3129046
He wasn't. He was pagan before converting to Catholicism.

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>>3126456
It was too good for its period

>>3129083
>Constitution only lasts for 19 months
>Noblemen get so butthurt they form confederations to abolish it

>>3129062
>>3129072
His mother and half of siblings were Orthodox and it's a toss-up whether he himself was baptised like his siblings or not. I know Polish historiography insists he was pagan while Lithuanian and Russian historiography insist he was Orthodox, but the truth is no actual sources make it definite.

It's not like multiple baptisms were unheard of at the time, when the Poles got Vytautas to get baptised in Krakow that was his THIRD baptism into a Christian faith.

>>3129073
For once this is somewhat accurate. Although Russia has been making use of Polish weakness (no dynasty) for many years before the partitions. Although the primary reason was the fact that it fought too many wars. Most of the victorious but it didn't matter.

Still 17th century in PLC is one fascinating story after another. Basically Polish silver age.

>>3129083
Free election wasn't good.
It should've been limited but dinastic monarchy. The genius of Casimir the Great was that he made sure that after his death without heir a new one will take his place. Sigmund August should've done the same.

>>3129089
more like noblemen get paid shittons of russian money so they form confederation to abolish it

>>3129148
Thing is all his siblings that got baptized received Christian names and mostly those who were sent off to rule Ruthenian lands. If he did get baptized why didn't he received a Christian name? In case of Vytautas all his names received upon baptism are known Wigand, Alexander etc. There is hardly any evidence if any at all to suggest he was baptized as Orthodox. While there's this.

>Jogaila's Russian mother Uliana of Tver urged him to marry Sofia, daughter of Prince Dmitri of Moscow, who required him first to convert to Orthodoxy.[nb 4] That option, however, was unlikely to halt the crusades against Lithuania by the Teutonic Knights, who regarded Orthodox Christians as schismatics and little better than heathens.

>>3129148
>Lithuanian and Russian historiography insist he was Orthodox,

>Lithuanian
>historiography insist he was Orthodox,
Sorry but no.

>>3129083
Ottomans would have treated Poles far better than the eternal rat Germans

>>3129193
>If he did get baptized why didn't he received a Christian name?
Umm... What is Władysław?

>>3129713
That's the name he received when converted to Catholicism.

>>3129653
This. The commonwealth and Ottomans should have allied, I wonder how the history would go in that scenario

>>3129193
>Thing is all his siblings that got baptized received Christian names and mostly those who were sent off to rule Ruthenian lands

Yes, the ones sent off to rule Ruthenian territories were baptised as Orthodox. And Jogaila ended up being one of those (though that might not have been the intention at birth).

His father made him Prince of Vitebsk in 1381-1382, which would have required him to convert though sources don't say he did that explicitly.

>>3130844
>His father

Pardon that brain fart, it was his uncle Kęstutis who did this obviously.

>>3129233
He meant Lithuanian, not Samogitian.

>>3130854
And neither did his father Algirdas or Kestutis converted to Orthodoxy/Catholcism in fact Kestutis ruled western areas of GDL and Algirdas ruled eastern Ruthenian areas without converting.

>>3132911
Pretty much all rulers until conversion of 1386 were pagan and kept on promises to "convert" to keep their subjects happy and used it as a barganing chip with others.

>According to modern historians, "For Gediminas and Algirdas, retention of paganism provided a useful diplomatic tool and weapon ... that allowed them to use promises of conversion as a means of preserving their power and independence".[2] Hermann von Wartberge and Jan Długosz described Algirdas as a pagan until his death in 1377. Contemporary Byzantine accounts support the Western sources; Patriarch Neilos described Algirdas as "fire-worshipping prince"[3] and another patriarch, Philotheos, excommunicated all Ruthenian noblemen who helped the "impious" Algirdas.[4] His pagan beliefs were also mentioned in 14th-century Byzantine historian Nicephorus Gregoras' accounts.[5]

Lesser dukes did convert though mostly.

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>>3129083
Russian history:
liberating kazan
liberating astrakhan
liberating siberia
liberating the baltic
liberating crimea
liberating ukraine
liberating poland
liberating finland
liberating central asia
liberating manchuria
liberating the caucasus
kicking the turks out of the balkans
kicking napoleons ass
kicking hitlers ass
liberating space

>>3129193
>If he did get baptized why didn't he received a Christian name?
Jogaila is lithuanized version of Ruthenian Ilya, Elias.

>>3134304
still couldnt liberate russia from breadlines

>>3134377
fuck the poor