How bad were the Gulags ? How many innocents were there ?

>>3116935
May be like USA prisons today by count of prisoners, except one - prisoners works in Gulag, not sure about modern USA prisoners.

>>3116935
A lot of counterrevolutionaries and anarchists and separatists were in Gulag

>>3116935
Gulag was singular. Gulag is abbreviation meaning "General Management of prison camps".

>>3116935
Pretty much the same as they were under the Tsars, they used the exact same prisons

They were necessary to remove reactionary elements and revisionist tendencies from the young socialist republic.

None if you count all those who disagree with me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazino_affair

>>3117006
In an epoch of Tsar's such crazy shit don't happens. In the epoch of Tsar's prison camps for nobles were so sweet so even Lenin after prison don't change his mind and still was a terrorist-revolutionist

>>3116935
They were more like holiday camps than actual prisons.

>>3117054
On holiday camps company don't do mass wooding

>>3117081
>wooding
You what?

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>>3116956
>If you are not communist enough you are going to the gulag.

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>>3117627
>he thinks communism and anarchism ever got along
Just like Social Liberals and Social Conservatives always agree because they're both democrats

>>3117635
>they deserved

This is why I like Stalin. he literally killed more lefties than every other fascist capitalist.

probably millions

I'm not saying that atrocities didn't happen in communist Russia/China. I'm just saying that atrocities and suffering are to Russia/China what ripping people off are to Anglos. Shit happens at every point in their history so singling out the commies are unfair in that regard.

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>>3116935
>How many innocents were there?

Not enough.

>>3117687
I never said they deserved it, it's just the inevitable result, you never hear about Jacobins anymore either

>>3116935
Depends on the year. Until after WWII conditions were pretty bad, and during the war death rates were especially high. Most people who entered left alive though, seeing as the camp population peaked in the early 1950s.

>>3116935
>How bad were the Gulags
Not so bad, probably better than western profiteering prisons
>How many innocents were there
Quite a few, namely the guards

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>>3118433
You're fucking retarded. Gulags were even worse than German camps.

>>3116935
Why wikipedia's authors translated Nazino "tragedy" from Russian and Ukrainian to English Nazino "affair"?

>>3118441
Maybe according to Robert Conquest or people who take Solzhenitsyn literally.

>>3116935
uncertain number, no less than 20 millions, but could go high as 120 millions (mainly because soviets didn't properly registered dead). Way more if we count in the chinese "education" camps

>>3117090
>>mass wooding
>You what?
as in stick their woods in mass in the most reactionary guy in the camp

>>3118489
Real number is 900 trillion. They would clone people just to murder them over and over again in the most painful way possible. Stalin personally would grind up babies and force feed them to their parents, just because they were so insanely evil.

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Stalin did nothing wrong

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>>3120221
>Leftyfags in denial

You are no better than /pol/

More /lit/ than /his/ but I loved "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich"

I can't remember the name, but I also seem to remember Tolstoy having a good one about the Gulags when they were under the Tsars, but I might be mistaking it for someone else. I went on a Russian literature binge a while back and it runs together a little.

modern sovietology says:

1. about 15 million total passed through the gulag
2. average sentences were 3 to 5 years
3. most prisoners were criminals, not political prisoners
4. they never held more than 2 million at any given point in time (so yeah, about the same as the u.s. prison population).

>>3120308
Not even Stalin claimed the USSR was communist. Read a book retard.

>>3120455
Yeah, communism would be by definition stateles and universal. But they claimed to be socialist.

>>3120469
Most people on leftypol would agree that it was socialist.

>>3116935
>How bad were the Gulags ?

They were good.

>How many innocents were there ?

None. Kulaks deserved it.

>>3120455
Marx used the terms communism and socialism interchangeably, communism it's the last stage of socio economic progress, followed by socialism.

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>>3120482
M'comrade

>>3117024
In the epoch of the Tsar revolutionaries could write books, party with lovers and act in politics from inside prison.

That's why the Tsar fell but Stalin didn't.

>>3120416
>(((modern sovietology)))

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>>3120669
This.

>>3120670
>le (((meme)))
Epic XD!

>>3120679
Fake quote, Stalin never said this
>>3120670
Jews hate Stalin dumbo

>>3116935
Most of the people convicted were dangerous spies or betrayed the Motherland or were criminals and conditions were not as bad as Fascist propaganda will have you believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtJgiTeyaQ0

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>>3121040
>Fake quote, Stalin never said this

Nobody can deceive you, Is not it comrade?

>>3121055
You are forgetting the anarchist, socialdemocratas, political opponents in the party, religious leaders,"kulaks", homosexuals, and everything the regime didn't like.

So many filthy marxists itt.

I wish you the worst in this world.

>>3121343
t. kulak kulakovich

>>3123242
Gulag yourself tankie.

>>3116935
Not nearly as bad as western propaganda makes them out to be. In truth they were about as rough as British labor camps, just a smidge colder. Few. Most people in gulags deserved to be in gulags.