Kaiserreich Alt-History

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>>3116663
>democratic monarchism
>authoritarian democratism

> Totalism
It's called totalitarianism, anon.

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you got triangle wrong

>>3116663
Kaiserreich is a meme of alt-history, it's retarded to think G*rmany would be a superpower

>>3116736
>totalism

Its something that developed after the timeline diverged.

Its essentally totalitarian syndicalism.

>>3116809
Wat. Germany could have been a superpower.

Pre WW1 it was a technological/industrial/military hub.

If the USA stay isolationist, France and GB are tremendously weakened Germany is going to dominate the continent. Thats superpower status.

The anti German shit on this board is retarded.

>>3116734

The ideologies sound retarded but in the world they actually make sense.

>>3116871
How so?

>>3116885

>Totalism

In this world fascism and Marxism-Leninism don't exist. When the Bolsheviki failed with their Revolution Syndicalism became the poster ideology for the revolutionary left wing.

Syndicalism as it developed in the Kaiserreich TL is more liberal than OTLs Socialism.

>Elections where your vote actually matters (Only leftist parties approved but a broad spectrum of leftist thought is covered radical socialism- Anarchism).

>No totalitarian control. More civil liberties.

>No vanguard party.

Totalism essentially is a mix of Nationalist and Stalinist ideas. It emerges from this leftist political system and is this timelines totalitarianism.

Its total societal control. The Central control of the syndicates controlling the society, militarism (often mixed with ideas of National revanche) and oppression of all other ideologies (even former comrades).

>authoritarian democracy

France and GB lost WW1 and fell prey to revolutions. Meanwhile Prussia with its Prussian constitutionalism prevailed.

Authoritarian democracy essentially is the logical and modernized result.

A group of technocrats/militarists/aristocrats (the Elite) is ruling behind the curtain. Unrestrained democracy is weak but you need the illusion of democracy and some light participation for the broad masses.

Essentially what Russia and Turkey do but more formalized and unashamed. Opposition parties are openly harassed, important decisions are made by commitees stuffed with cronies etc.

A democracy in the front, management by Technocrats/Oligarchs in the back.

>democratic monarchism

Yeah the name is somewhat retarded. It essentially means the way Prussian Constitutionalism would have developed.

The Constitution is still pretty Authoritarian and the Kaiser still calls the shots but the whole system is shaped by a lot of informal rules. The whole auhoritarian Executive is much more sensible for the public oppinion. 1/2

>>3116987
2/2

Is essentially a weird flux/transit state between a constitutional monarchy and Prussian Constitutionalism.

The Monarch still decides a lot of things in the authoritarian way but finds himself more and more restrained by the informal influence of democratic institutions.

Said democratic institutions are too weak though to continue formalizing their influence because they face strong internal opposition from royalist parties.

The whole thing is bound to collapse into a more autocratic system or a constituional monarchy at some point.

>>3116663
Britain is one of the more realistic ones though, the general strike of 1926 would have been 100 times worse if they'd lost the war

>>3117012
But would it really turn into a revolution.
I could see constant strikes and riots (even terror from the radical Syndicalist wing) from Labour.

A more and more authoritarian Torie Government tries to milk the colonies to afford the benefits necessary to pacify the workers while still having a huge ass navy and a decent army.

The colonies become more and more rebellious and the Empire is drawn into countless insurections and rebellions slowly bleeding it dry while strenghtening leftist unrest in the Home Isles.

>>3117027
The government would lose all its popular support, Labor as well for being chickenshits about it, granted I always thought the TUC a little bit silly in their totally out of character "kill all the rich" rhetoric as portrayed in the mod, that should just be part of the Maximist path

>>3117047
So a more moderate TUC?

So they keep the colonies ? A lot of Workers were pro colonies hoping to redistribute the Colonial profits into the little mans pocket.

And what about the Monarchy?

>>3117067
I think they'd lose the colonies simply of virtue of "can't afford it", India probably would have been the first to go seeing as they were almost at that point when WW1 started and only stuck with it because Britain was still strong and promised a referendum in a few years that got interrupted by WW2. The Monarchy would still probably fuck off to Canada with a lot of conservatives seeing as they'd lose their estates and status

>>3117086
Alright. Makes sense.

Imho a socialist nations with colonies that isn't internationalist and instead follows the path of Europeam Surpremacy would be interesting though.

They believe that the wealth coming from the colonies should be used too fund the social security system.

Basically this worlds NatSocs. Less about extermination and Lebensraum and more about maintaining the colonial Empire and using the profits to benefit the population instead of the capitalist class.

A more leftwing and much less totalist and extremist NatSoc essentially.

>>3117129
*totalitarian

Sorry freudian slip.

Ofc this could easily Evolve into Mosleys Brand of totalism.

>>3117129
I can see the colonies and Britain still having a favoured relationship simply because it's already set up, that should be part of the long term strategy for UoB; turning those trading agreements into political ones while Canada is trying to do the same

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That's a nice union you got yourself there.
Would be a real shame if something happened to it.

>>3117162
Interesting. So Canada and the UoB have a conflict over the fragments of the Empire.

The UoB supports left wing movements while Canada tries to support the native elites and whats left of the Colonial Order.

>>3117164
The hero we need, but not the one we deserve.

>>3117164
I was named after him.

>>3117426
Your name is Arabia?

>>3117431
the former

>>3117431
Kek

>>3116736
Totalism is what people call Stalinism in a world where the Bolshevik Revolution was crushed in 1919 and Stalin is a mid level government functionary in Georgia

>>3117462
Iosef isn't a mid level functionary.

He is this timelines Beria. The head of the Security apparatus.

This is really terrifying imho. When the roles are reversed Beria and Stalin are even more ruthless and efficient.

>>3117164
any time I play KR this fag does nothing at all and Germany crushes France no matter what

>>3117483
I mod CoF to have more IC and up the fort level on the German border so they can be competitive, especially when Germany gets into some stupid colonial war and get all that bonus IC

>>3117483
His main purpose is to hijack Mosley's revolution and restore the monarchy, tbqh.

does Sidney Reilly exist in either version of Kaiserreich? I was reading about him earlier and he seems like a pretty interesting guy. If Boris Savinkov is still alive then he should be too, but I don't remember if he shows up anywhere

>>3117524

In the HoI IV Version Savinkov is the NatPop leader for Russia. Wrangel never made much sense.

>>3117575
It's the same in the last DH version as well, Wrangel is based Russian Empire HoG instead

>>3117575
he is in DH now too, that's why I was wondering about Sidney Reilly

>>3117578
I don't think he appears but he definetly should. Reading about him atm and its glorious.

>>3117577
I honestly like the aristocratic Senate the most.

Tsarism was legitimately discredited. The old aristocracy (mixed with some modern capitalist) creating a oligarchy and a de facto republican aristocracy is really cool thought.

In my outline for my "never going to happen German Reich CW AAR" Russia is definetly going the oligarchy route.

Dimitry as Tsar might be interesting aswell though. Especially because a succession crisis is going to happen.

>>3117577
>>3117600
>not going Savinkov mode, reuniting all Russias, hanging the October traitors, and punishing Germany for Brest-Litovsk

>>3117629
It has such a gay flag though

>>3117629
>Not recreating the Russian establishment
>reviving orthodox Culture and regaining the lost Asian territories excerting influence in the far east

Pleb

>>3116663
The Qing aren't restored and Japan shouldn't even consider abandoning it's colonial empire to become the new flag bearer of democracy. Also the Whites winning the war in Russia due to German help while France becomes syndie never sat well with me. How about a weak German puppet state for France and a Soviet Union that is in an uneasy alliance with the Union of Britain? I love the batshit world of Kaiserreich but not because it's remotely plausible.

>>3117683
>playing as Russia
>get the join an alliance event and decide to ally Japan because I'm about to attack Germany and I don't want to get stabbed in the back
>they immediately become too democratic to join alliances, which makes them fall out of the one I just made
a-at least the Legation Cities will help me... r-right?

>>3117683
Makes sense.

Imho the Commune never really made sense. Russia proved to be a small threat in the WW1 but France is the Arch enemy so why involving in the messy Russian CW instead of swiftly crushing the Infant Commune?

SU and UoB Alliance Really makes sense.
UoB has the technology and the SU the ressources and the Manpower.

>Japan

The Co-Prosperity Imperialism route makes the most sense.

Why allow further democratization when the worlds democracies were crushed by an authoritarian monarchy?

Also Asia is ripe for the taking while Europe is self involved.

Yeah Qing also is done for the coolness.

Kaiserreich is just really good pulp fun and works better for HoI than the standard scenario.

>>3117700
>Japan offers an alliance event as Sakinov
>Immediately rescinded when they're Imperial
>Philippines offers an alliance event as Japan
>Immediately rescinded
The scripts really need some work in that regard
>>3117702
Germany figures France is so fucked it can't do shit, and by reviving any French government they'll be creating an in for the nationalists who ran to Algeria, it makes perfect sense to me why they'd treat it as a containment area rather than kicking the shit out of some Russian ultra-nat lefties who might have designs on their new economic playground

>>3117700
I don't know how they are in Hoi 4 but in my last game of Kaiserreich DH I saw a 40 division megastack chillin' in Shanghai.

>>3117715
But the Russian CW was quagmire. Even as intervening force high casualties are something to expect.

Not something that Germany would be willing to shoulder immediately after WW1.

>>3117733
I'm pretty sure they have really good IC for their size, they just look funny because it's just random cities along the coast

>>3117824
They quite literally got involved in our own history, if they won they'd be in it balls deep

>>3117833
Yeah, a long time ago I had a game where the AOG lost the war to them somehow.

I booted up a saved Russia game where I went Savinkov to see if Sidney Reilly exists as a minister. He isn't one of the options for intelligence or security, but oddly enough, you can make Solzhenitsyn your intelligence minister

>>3116860
Prior to even WW1 the US was out producing not just Germany, but all of Europe combined in raw materials
Sure, let's say Germany because a power in Europe, it would still never achieve superpower

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Is there actual geographical boundaries between Poland and Germany+Prussia, or is this map just retardedly colored?
Cause you can clearly tell interwar borders here.

>>3117977
No, the partition of Poland did away with them

>>3117983
What I mean, in the image I posted here >>3117977, which I found in some Kaiserreich thread, it is clearly visible due to difference in colors where Poland should be.
Is this because of elevation/forests/rivers/valleys, whatever, or is it just the artist highlighting something.

As in, is there a geographical boundary that corresponds to the political border?

>>3117977
Not anymore


Germs were forcibly relocated.

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>>3117993
It's just your memory interpreting the borders as they are, try to draw those exact Kaiserreich borders on this

>>3117993
>is there a geographical boundary that corresponds to the political border?
Modern border? Yes, there's a river between modern germany and poland.

>>3118007
Its called the Oder, its kind of a big deal.

How would it work if WW1 had a different result?
For the central powers, of course, everything would be much better.

They would keep their monarchies, the Weimar Republic degeneracy would never have happened and neither would Nazi Germany. All of those would be good things.
Maybe the Ottomans would be better off and this would stabilize the middle east.

But how would England deal with a WW1 loss? France?

>>3118031
>Weimar Republic degeneracy
Berlin had more male homosexual prostitutes than anywhere else in the world by 1913, but whatever.

>>3116663
Take this shit to >>>/v/
Video games are for children and no-one loves you

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>>3118166
>No-one loves you
That's a pretty fucked up thing to say man

>>3118173
Its alright senpai. He is just bitter my man.

>>3117905
My man world Power is more than Economy. Its a pretty uninformed view to just assume the US would have risen to world Power regardless of the political situation.

Sure the US would be wealthy but with most foreign markets closed and no one to exchange technology with the US is pretty likely to stagnate really quick. Especially if the Government follows a damaging economic policy.

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>colorized photo of negations between the president gardener and leader of the combined unions of america John Reed

>>3118806
>CSA takes 4 years to win the Civil War even with New England seceding and the PSA seizing everything up to the Rockies
>Canada conquers them in a year and a half
so this... is the power... of the people.... whoa

>>3118031
That's what the mod is about. WWI ended in 1921 with a Central powers victory due to American non-involvement.
>Germany
Unquestioned master of the world order. However, it's still led by Kaiser Wilhelm II, with predictable results. The Berlin Stock Market crashes in 1936, and Germany spends most of the game economically crippled by it.
>Austria-Hungary
Forced to become more and more decentralized. It hardly has a hold on the more peripheral territories of the empire. In most games, it either has to forcibly pacify Hungary or decentralize even more into a UK-style monarchy.
>Russia
After WWI ended, Germany sent troops to help the Whites, the Bolsheviks were defeated, Marxist-Leninism is all but dead as an ideology, and syndicalism (quasi-democratic rule by trade unions) is the most accepted form of socialism. Alexander Kerensky remained president, but he's assassinated early in-game and there's the option to restore the monarchy, go democratic, or start a military dictatorship.
>UK
A Welsh miners' strike in 1926 eventually spirals into a massive laborer uprising. The Royal family flees to Canada, and a Syndicalist government took over.
>France
France also went through a Syndicalist revolution, resulting in the French government fleeing to Algiers.
>Italy
After the war, Italy essentially collapsed. The northern half is ruled as a loose federation of states that is (nominally) led by the Pope, while the south is another Syndicalist republic.
>Ottomans
They're hardly holding on, having lost Mecca to the Arabs and having no foreign clout. Usually, they get rekt by a joint Egypt-Arab-Persian invasion.
>China
Qing Emperor Pu-yi was restored by the Germans, who indirectly control much of the south through an East India-style company. Manchuria is a Japanese puppet, the treaty ports are neutral, and the west is run by warlords. Mongolia is still led by Baron Roman von Ungern-Sternberg, who can declare himself the second Genghis Khan and invade China.

>>3120595
(cont.)
>US
FDR got butterflyed away, so Hoover is still president. The Great Depression started in 1925, and it hasn't gotten better. Besides the Democrats & Republicans, there's also Huey Long's America First Party, and Jack Reed's Combined Syndicates of America. There's also a pretty good chance that MacArthur sends in the military and declares martial law. A three-way civil war is all but guaranteed.
>India
India is currently in a three-way split between the Dominion of India (the successor to the Raj that is all but fully independent) in the northwest, the Princely Federation (a federation of noble states led by the Prince of Hyderabad) in the south, and the Bhartiya Commune (Syndicalists) in the east. Sri Lanka is controlled as a German colony.
>African colonies
Deutsch-Mittelafrika, led by governor-general Hermann Goering, controls the vast majority of Subsaharan Africa. South Africa is also independent, and there's usually a war between the English and Boer regions. The French exiles still control Algeria and most of the other colonies. The only other independent nations are Liberia, Egypt (who also control Sudan), Ethiopia, and the Somali dervish state (look it up, it was a thing).
>Latin America
Not too interesting. For some reason, Argentina conquered Paraguay and Uruguay. Mexico and Chile are Syndicalist, and Brazil usually has a civil war of some kind. Guatemala & El Salvador have united as the Syndicalist nation of Centroamerica, while the other Central American countries formed the United Provinces of Central America.

>>3116663
This guy is starting to work on lore videos about this. Apparently the CSA is a more powerful IWW in the USA

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pmgSUM1DFUg

>>3120595
>>Russia
>After WWI ended, Germany sent troops to help the Whites, the Bolsheviks were defeated, Marxist-Leninism is all but dead as an ideology, and syndicalism (quasi-democratic rule by trade unions) is the most accepted form of socialism. Alexander Kerensky remained president, but he's assassinated early in-game and there's the option to restore the monarchy, go democratic, or start a military dictatorship.
also the country fractured under Kerensky, and the Turkic -stans, Vladivostok and the Don plains are all held by rebel states that broke away during the Civil War, plus Mongolia under Baron Sternberg annexed a large portion of the Trans-Siberian Railway

There are a couple official lore videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HMQ4lt2Od0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7VAxt7Dhs8

>>3121832
Austria-Hungary completely collapsing into EU3-tier borders always makes me laugh

>>3122134
Its the right choice though. Austria simply was too small too hold the Empire together. It was to important though to just allow Hungarian Empire. The whole thing was destined to fall apart especially because the Slavs were 2nd class Citizens.

Imho only an Austroslavist and Austromarxist Danubian federation could work (in the sense of holding a federal state together).

>>3122134
yeah but you can build it back up in the mod, if you wage a civil war against Hungary. You can also form the Danubian Confederation eventually

>>3122273
>Austria-Hungary collapses into civil war
>Hungary gets torn apart by all of their neighbours except Poland

>>3122289
Poland does tend to take Galicia back during the possible civil war

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>>3120635
>ywn see Jack Reed as the leader of CSA instead of a sick men who died with disappointment
Truly this is the worst timeline

>>3122341
>not Sharing Our Wealth
come on son

>>3116860
>The anti German shit on this board is retarded.
It's delusional mental gymnastics at this point.

>>3122466
>ach mein liebe, it's anotha dresden!
t. KIDF

Honestly I think the mod's alt-history is pretty hit or miss, but it does allow for some interesting scenarios. I played a Russia game and went democratic and free market. I managed to reconquer most of the its former possessions and even convinced Germany to give up parts of Eastern Europe. I was planning for a tough war against Japan for Vladivostok, but when I demanded it, they accepted and offered an alliance. Turns out they went democratic and free market as well. We subsequently spent the next year or so cleaning up China and eventually it was time to attack Germany. The Germans threw all their weight towards the east and consequently were overran by the French, who later turned them into a puppet. At that point, it was basically a cold war between democratic Russia-Japan-China and syndicalist Europe-America-India. It was a weird game but very satisfying to basically reverse the Cold War.

>>3122551
yeah, the possibilities Russia has are pretty cool. You can do anything at all if you power game hard enough

>>3122551
>not joining the co-prosperity sphere
>not dividing the world between two emperors

>>3116663
Go Totalism! Woohoo!

>>3122551
>It was a weird game but very satisfying to basically reverse the Cold War.
After tons of Victoria II games. I've wanted to make an alt-history scenario where the Axis of WWII is inverted. The UK, Russia, and USA or China wind up succumbing to fascism, whereas Italy, Germany, and Japan seek to uphold democracy worldwide. This of course is the result of a very different series of events.

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Who
>cross the Mediterranean again, behead the Red traitors, end the Syndicalist reign of terror and reclaim France for the royal crown
here?

>[die Wacht am Rhein starts playing]
gets me hyped every time I boot up the game

>he doesn't go full Kolchak as Russia in KR
That takes real skill.

>>3123516
>Kolchak
in to the Katorga it goes

>>3123516
>Russia in KR
>takes any skill whatsoever

The country is overpowered as fuck. KR in general is pretty easy.

>>3123544
>implying you start as Russia
You gotta start as Transamur and hope that Japan plays nice.