Was Sir Arthur Harris a pioneer in strategic bombing?

Yes, a shame people are spreading myths about him, though.

>>3116391
Well I think it's pretty clear Dresden never happened, but I'm talking about bombing tactics used elsewhere

>>3116392
Then yes, I'd say Harris was in fact a piooner of strategic bombing, together with U.S.A of course, with their love for strategic bombing.

>>3116383
Obvs

>>3117280
Hope, she got a penalty or 15 days in a prison.

>>3116394
What did he mean by this?

>>3117280
i don't think they're actually fans of harris. just the fact that he triggers the neo-nazis is the reason. it's not like they'd want to kill everyone in the multicultural society

>>3117300
If they're willing to wear our memes I'm happy. Just wish they weren't nuts or they'd make great wives.

Just read his secretary Spaight's book Bombing Vindicated. PDF online.

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>>3117751
They aren't wearing our memes, stuff like "do it again" or pictures of Harris at demonstrations is a response to neo-nazis hijacking the memorial day in Dresden, after the fall of the wall.

pic related is from a demonstration in 2004
("bomber harris superstar, we thank you, the red Antifa")

>>3116383
Not really. He pretty much applied Douhet's theories to their logical, and ineffective conclusion. About the only thing remarkable about him was his single-mindedness and his ability to grab a large share of the budget.

>>3117300
>it's not like they'd want to kill everyone in the multicultural society
Of course not. They're proponents of white genocide and will fight to death for the complete browning of europe.

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>>3120202

I don't know. Hitler seemed like he really wanted all those German women to get impregnated by Slavic cock.

DO IT AGAIN BOMBER HARRIS

>>3118206
>Nazis "hijack" a memorial
>Better mock the memories of the dead to get them back
Leftism is a mental disorder.

This image is retarded. You may as well call Constantine XI the destroyer of Constantinople or Napoleon III destroyer of France.

>>3120229
Meant for >>3120193

>>3120228
>[ T R I G G E R E D ]

Please, Harris, do it again

The sooner, the better

>>3120228

To be fair, the dead in Dresden absolutely don't matter.
It was a war and the German civilians were not some special class of people who deserved to live.
They are nothing more than numbers and laughing at numbers isn't wrong.

>>3120229

Techncially Napoleon did destroy France.

French Empire

371,000 killed in action[1]
800,000 killed by wounds, accidents or disease, primarily in the disastrous invasion of Russia[2]
600,000 civilians[2]
65,000 French allies (mainly Poles fighting for independence lost in 1795)[2]
1,800,000 French and allies (mostly Germans and Poles) dead in action, disease and missing[1]
1,700,000 Frenchmen from "pre-1792 borders"


Also his invasion of Russia basically destroyed the gains of the French revolution and put Anglo loving monarch on the throne.

>>3120242
>People are nothing but numbers
I get that a lot of people in WW2 died but this is just callous

>>3120242
>They are nothing more than numbers and laughing at numbers isn't wrong.
Unless we're talking about the Holocaust of course!

>>3120235
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting and pretending to be retarded still just makes you look like a retard.

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>>3120229

>>3117300
Most this. I love dropping the bomber Harris line but the strategic bombing has terrible returns on investment, and is not really worth prioritising over tactical air power.

>>3120250
>>3120289
You know I was referring to Napoleon the third right? The emperor of France who was dethroned after losing the Franco-Prussian war.

>>3116383
I am convinced that it is the same 5 guys going around /his/ all day shilling Harris.

>>3120297

He's still retarded for declaring war on Prussia when he's not ready.

>>3120290

I wouldn't say that. The effects of strategic bombing are multi-fold.

For example, did you know that 70-80% of all 88mm rounds produced were timed-HE rounds used for AA duty? Germany placed some 7000 tubes of heavy flak in the Rhur valley to defend against bombers.

So there's a thought, for every 88 the Germans placed in the field for AT duty, they had 3 shooting flak at the bombers. Flak was barely price effective against bombers, which is a losing proposition when you only have $10 to spend while your enemy has $100.

>>3120326
Not him, but you're conflating a couple of things.

First off, at least according to Tooze, the UK's economy was roughly equal with Germany's, and the U.S. is about 4 times as big; so you're talking more about a 5:1 disparity than a 10:1, and at that rates, when the overall losses per sortie were about 5% wartime average (Bomber Command, Max Hastings), if you're just talking the exchange ratio between flak and bombers, it's well in favor of the Germans.

More important was how strategic bombing eroded away the Luftwaffe's air assets, but while the British dropped more bombs, the americans did more on that score, with their daylight raids in bombers that had capabilities to defend themselves, and later escorted daylight raids.

Harris had little to do with that. And in fact, Harris's own theories on strategic bombing were largely a fizzle; he didn't want to supplement a ground war with air action, he wanted the air action to replace ground war entirely, which he never got close to. And then, when you're trying to compare CAS to strategic bombing, it's very complicated indeed; but you can point to things like Germany's swift and sudden victory over France, or the enormous gains they made early in the war against Russia, neither of which would have been possible without that frighteningly effective tactical air arm. Granted, it's not clear whether the Allies could have done something similar, especially early war when they didn't have nearly the same kind of inter-arm communications as the Germans did, but if you're talking bang for buck spent on aviation, you're probably going to get more than you will trying to bomb cities, as long as you can get your tac bombing where it's needed.

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>>3120297

Oh shit desu. Can't read. That one would been easier to do.

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>>3120370

Shit not memed size. I suck at this.

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>>3120358

>>3120381
Please tell me what that picture says that has ANYTHING to do with any of the points I made.

>>3120401
not him, but I think he was pointing out that on the eve of December 11, 1941 when hitler decided to declare war on the US and von ribbentrop to his credit was pointing out that it would be a foolish move since you would be declaring war on the world's greatest superpower, and in response Hitler muttered "it does not matter" and without consulting anyone one else in Germany he declared war on the US.

>>3116383
what's his name again?

>>3116383
he certainly enforced the myth of strategic bombing ending wars. They only make them worse, and it's a small step from flying a 1000 bomber formation over an industrial complex to firebombing civillian population centers.

His folly would only become apparent several decades later when the Americans wasted a bunch of Countries GDP worth on Operation Rolling Thunder.

>>3120251
>Die Leute sind Zahlen

>>3117751
we are appropriating their memes lad

>>3118206
Well I like the term tankie too. Guess I'll have both.

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>>3120370
fucking napoleon