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Reminder that it actually happened. What the fuck is wrong with America?
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The alternatives at the time were:
1. Blockade the mainland islands until surrender, which would have taken many months while the war continued in China and Southeast Asia, leading to the starvation of millions of Japanese (since Japan is a food importer).
2. Amphibious invasion of Japan, which would lead to millions of Japanese and hundreds of thousands of American, British, and Soviet casualties.
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>>3115706
Easy decision, mainland invasion would of killed more civilians in addition to Allied causalities
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>>3115706
These kind of questions only come out without putting into context the entirety of World War 2, which was a big what the fuck. This was a just a drop in the pan, it just happened instantly.
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>>3115731
They did in this case. The bombs averted Operation Downfall, thus indirectly saving millions of lives.
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>>3115731
So what should the allies have done? Leave Japan alone so they could continue killing innocent Chinese civilians or should they not drop the bombs and drag out the war by invading mainland Japan, which would result in conditions worse than the German invasion of the Soviet Union
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>>3115737
>it's not that important brah
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>>3115747
Stop pretending to care about innocent civilians being killed.
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>>3115747
They could've made multiple nuclear tests on Japanese soil to scare the shit out of them without causing any casualties.
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>>3115752
The US warned the Japanese they had a bomb, they even dropped leaflets warning the civilians before the bombing
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With the benefit of hindsight, I question the ultimate necessity of it, and I can't in good conscience actively condone bombing cities full of civilians.
That said, Truman was faced with a near guarantee to end an incredibly destructive war, in which all involved parties had committed atrocities. I can understand his decision.
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How do you justify not pressing the insta win button to your soldiers?
>No, we're not going to nuke the sonsabitches, because 70 years from now when we're all long dead, a bunch of underdeveloped man children will be mad at us
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>>3115748
Of course it was important but once again remember the context. The death and destruction of the war such as in Dresden for example. Luckily OP will never be in charge of a situation like that or his weak clemency would cause more death and destruction.
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>>3115762
>b-but muh warnings
Doesn't matter.
If you must scare someone, what's the best moral thing to do? Stab his baby to death in front of him or shoot his hat off with a loud revolver? Use your brain, you dumb chimp. America deserves to get nuked.
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>>3115752
this
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is it really intelligent to ask why people fired guns in a war?
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>>3115752
Japan is densely populated as shit, you can't detonate a nuclear bomb on them without killing millions of people. I know you Euros have brains that have been addled from millenia of inbreeding, but maybe this once I thought you would be able to figure out this simple problem in your own argument. I was wrong.
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DO IT AGAIN, BOMBS AWAY LEMAY
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>>3115795
>you can't detonate a nuclear bomb on them without killing millions of people
hurr
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>>3115779
Your analogy is asinine. The Japanese were a war cult. They weren't going to have a cup of tea with the US and watch them drop a bomb on uninhabited land. Even if they did it wouldn't of convinced the Japanese to surrender, the first bombing couldn't even do that. Stop being a sensitive bitch and think rationally
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>>3115779
Lol if you're Japanese do some research on the Nanking massacre. That was worse than the two nukes used to end the war.
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>>3115805
>Even if they did it wouldn't of convinced the Japanese to surrender
[citation needed]
>the first bombing couldn't even do that
I explicitely said "multiple tests".
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>>3115750
you're right, I chiefly am concerned with the lives of good men that would be wasted putting an end to this war began by the Japanese in that fashion
whether the japanese of that time would have run themselves to the brink of extinction than finally quit is of a lesser concern
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>>3115809
>whataboutism
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>>3115773
kind of makes you wish those fighting men could reach up through the depths of history and punch these guys in the face
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>>3115752
The US only had 2 bombs at the time and it would take months to produce more. Even if demonstration was done the Japanese wouldn't stop because there would be no real casualties
>Lets do two bomb demonstrations for the Japanese and hope they will stop killing our soldiers. If they don't surrender we won't have any more bombs to drop for a few months
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>>3115804
Nuclear bombs emits radiation my friend
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>>3115811
>multiple tests
>only had 2 bombs
If the Japanese didn't surrender right after the first bombing, why would they surrender after a demonstration?
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>>3115828
>Even if demonstration was done the Japanese wouldn't stop because there would be no real casualties
[citation needed]
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>>3115809
it's not even comparable, as one is a weapon of war, and the other is villainous rapine and murder
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>>3115828
>Lets start genociding the Japanese civilian population with nuclear arsenal and hope they will stop killing our soldiers. If they don't surrender we will genocide them all.
O say, can you see...
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>>3115779
What a retard
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>>3115844
If the US wanted to genocide the Japanese population why did they directly warn them of the bombing and urge them to evacuate? Why do you ignore the genocide of the Chinese at the hands of the Japanese?
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>>3115835
>only had 2 bombs
Build more and do more tests. What's more sacred, innocent human life or money?
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>>3115849
>I'd rather stab someone's baby to death in front of him than shoot his hat off with a loud revolver to scare him. That'll show him!
Don't reply to me again, brainlet.
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>>3115752
Weaboos: Proof that Nerds aren't always smart
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>>3115865
US priority was to save American lives. Why waste time with demonstrations that probably won't work and wait months for more bombs to be made at the expense of Allied lives?
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>>3115858
>whataboutism
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>>3115868
>Dude just do trick shots!
>Calls other people retarded
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>>3115869
he has no idea of the immense undertaking it was to even build one bomb
he doesn't know how long it too to create the isotope required for the reaction
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>>3115869
Um, that's not an argument, sweetie.
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>>3115874
>missing the point this hard
Stop projecting your retardation.
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>>3115878
Having scrolled through a thread full of arguments that were all ignored, I'm just tossing insults out for fun.
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>>3115844
BY
THE
DAWN'S
EARLY
LIGHT
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>>3115865
>What's more sacred, innocent human life or money?
Do some basic fucking research on the Manhattan Project. Building nukes in 1945 was unbelievably more difficult from even 1950.
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Reminder that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both perfectly valid military targets and nobody would have batted an eye if they were hit by firebombing rather than nukes like we did to every other major city in Japan.
Also the nips totally had it coming.
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>>3115881
>Make retarded argument
>Make retarded analogy
>Get called out for retarded argument and analogy
>Bro you just don't get it!
Anon, you don't have a username. You can just cut bait and close the thread, and we can all forget this ever happened.
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>>3115877
>ugh! it's too much trouble! let's just annihilate all these innocent civilians in an instant!
O say, can you see...
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>>3115887
WHAT
SO
PROUDLY
WE
HAILED
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>>3115838
>demonstration would lead to Japanese surrender
[citation needed]
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>Why did innocent people die in war?
Total War's a bitch, next time don't attack a superpower that outperforms you in manpower, capital, industry and natural resources. I think this Sherman quote is incredibly relevant.
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>>3115895
>it's retarded because I think it's retarded and I believe you're retarded for being retarded!
Just stop posting, kiddo.
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>>3115908
>Total War's a bitch
Dropping nukes on civilians is being a bitch.
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>>3115912
Yes but it was alot better than other options.
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>>3115927
You're wrongly snubbing the other options.
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>>3115706
>Banksyshit
Pleb tastes.
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>>3115912
>civilians
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were valid military targets. The US went to more effort than it was obligated to by warning of the impending attack, even jeopardizing the crews on the mission by dropping the warning leaflets and giving the Japanese time to prepare. If there were viable alternatives to hit those targets just as hard without killing so many people, you bet your ass Truman would have used them. But high explosives weren't effective enough and firebombing was more costly to the USAAF and far more devastating than the nukes to the cities affected. The nukes offered just as much - if not more - precision than any other weapon available, but it was far more effective.
The atomic bombings are no more immoral than any other strategic bombing effort the Allies undertook. In fact, compared to missions like Operation Gomorrah, the firebombing of Tokyo, or just about any major Axis bombing effort, the atomic bombings were more close to the norm.
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>>3115942
>The US went to more effort than it was obligated to
made me think
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>>3115901
AT
THE
TWILIGHT'S
LAST
GLEAMING
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>>3115887
That's pretty gnarly, Japs just aren't extreme enough probably.
Besides literally all you have to do to not get nuked is have nukes. Like was Japan even trying?
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>>3115910
>Total war is okay when we do it
>bad when you do it
Start shit get hit
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It was pretty shitty, but it's quite hypocritical to focus on the nukes when the fire bombings killed more civilians than any singular nuclear bomb
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>>3115947
Congratulations, you've discovered that people sometimes get horribly injured in war. Horrific pictures of the victims of war don't tell you anything but the fact that war is hell.
Warring powers have no obligation to the safety of their opponents beyond the bare minimum standard set by international law. The US put its own men in danger by warning of the attack beforehand to give noncombatants the opportunity to leave. It offered support immediately postwar for those affected, which again, they were under no obligation to do.
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>>3115951
WHOSE
BROAD
STRIPES
AND
BRIGHT
STARS
THROUGH
THE
PERILOUS
FIGHT
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>>3115706
Nothing wrong. Japs deserved it!
Or maybe you think 2 bombs weren't enough...
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>>3115779
America's been nuked more than a couple times already
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>>3115980
>War is Hell ® so just forget about it brah, p-please
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>>3115717
japan was not a food importer during the time of ww2, they would have been self sufficient entirely
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>>3115947
>Bombed major population centers in China
>Used shit such as chemical bombs and biological weapon against them
>cries when they get a taste of it
Those nips have harvested the twister,now they experience the tornado
Open up those bays Curtis LeMay!
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>>3115988
You should've nuked Japan the same way you nuked yourselves, brainlets.
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So who do you thinks responsible for this thread? The Nips or the weebs?
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>>3115985
maybe 2 towers weren't enough...
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>>3115997
Bait poster
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>>3115989
I agree
Starving up the japs or leaving them to the Slavs would be much more enjoyable
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I legitimately can't see anything wrong with the nukes, all Japan's fault having war in the first place. They probably shouldn't have done that.
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>>3115976
The nukes are the F-35 of WW2 discussion. People with little education on the topic like to bring it up because it makes them seem educated and offers an easy way to point to the US being wrong.
For the F-35, it's easier to just point to the big scary numbers with no context than it is to go after real issues like interservice bickering or the fact that the VA is so goddamn incompetent that it's taken for granted that injured vets are going to have to depend on charity.
For WW2, it's easy to just point to the nukes and say they were bad. But the real horrors and potentially unethical or even criminal acts - the firebombing campaign, handing German POWs to the Soviets, and plenty of other things - are less well known and more nuanced, so they're too hard for people to discuss for attention.
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>>3115706
Nips are happily to be America's bitch and suck their HIV dicks till nowadays after these bombs, I don't see anything wrong. It just showed Nips' true colors.
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More Japanese civilians died in firebombings than in both atomic blasts. If the nukes weren't dropped, the firebombings would have continued. Don't be a retard you fucking hippie.
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>>3116003
>I legitimately can't see anything wrong with annihilating hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.
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>>3115981
O'RE
THE
RAMPARTS
WE
WATCHED
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>>3116012
>Being this daft about the war up to this point
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>>3115795
Dense population =/ lack of uninhabited land
70% of the country is sparely populated mountains.
The issue is that 80% of the population lives in only a few major cities
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>>3116012
Yes that's exactly what I said, just restating something with a picture isn't an argument.
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>>3116006
>"the nukes"
It's "the hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians that were gratuitously massacred", Mr. Educated.
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>>3115999
Go ahead, go bomb so more American "towers" if you want, see what will happen.
What did Jap do before they got nuke I wonder? Eeven today there still quite a few Japs,especailly their politicians, deny the atrocities they did back then. Your/their victim card was never really work.
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>>3115997
Both.
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>>3116028
you got any more of the freedom shadow pics? I seem to be out, anon.
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>>3116012
>I'm going to sacrifice millions of my fighting men so fat autists won't say I was mean 70 years from now
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>>3116014
WERE
SO
GALLANTLY
STREAMING
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>>3116012
>I legitimately can't see anything wrong with annihilating hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.
That's exactly what Japs did when they started their "holy war" in Asia. Go fuck yourself, weeb.
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>>3116022
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>>3116029
>see what will happen
You'll get BTFO by peasants, again and AGAIN? lel
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>>3116036
AND
THE
ROCKET'S
RED
GLARE
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>>3116044
>whataboutism
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>>3116047
This was the pic ur looking for
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>>3116061
I think he's saying they were just asking for a sucker punch for the finale of the war
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>>3116053
>You'll get BTFO by peasants
Do you even know who I am? You fucking retard. Go blow some Murican towers see if I care.
Nevertheless, Japs deserved to be bombed, Americans finally did it right for once.
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>>3116058
THE
BOMBS
BURSTING
IN
AIR
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>>3116073
>Do you even know who I am?
Either an ameripleb or an americanized pleb. Probably canadian.
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>>3116074
All the lyric posting you're doing could actually work well propaganda-wise
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>>3116082
>All the lyric posting you're doing
?
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>>3115805
A war cult whose military was already crippled and starving to death from months of constant supply line interruption from US submarines.
Also, considering the fact that many major civilian areas had already been bombed to shit from mainland bombing runs in the months leading up to the nukes, I believe that even without the bomb, Jap shits had no way of recovering or putting up any sort of major defensive on the mainland.
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>>3116012
Yeah! It's onry okay when the Japs do it!
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>>3116074
GAVE
PROOF
THROUGH
THE
NIGHT
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>>3116100
>whataboutism
Just admit your wrongdoing already.
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>>3116102
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The lesson to be learned from this thread, dont respond to bait
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>>3116102
>>3116107
THAT
OUR
FLAG
WASN'T
THERE
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>>3116107
edgy af
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>>3116130
(You)
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>>3115706
everyone wanted to see what nukes did to people
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>>3116153
aussie cunt
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>>3116098
This is the stupidest post I've ever read, the Japanese were ready to force women, children, and the elderly to defend the homeland from Allied invasion
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>>3116114
OH
SAY
DOES
THAT
STAR-SPANGLED
BANNER
YET
WAVE
O'ER
THE
LAND
OF
THE
FREE
AND
THE
HOME
OF
THE
BRAVE
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>>3116105
No, but you should.
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>>3116192
ON
THE
SHORE
DIMLY
SEEN
THROUGH
THE
MISTS
OF
THE
DEEP
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>>3115706
No one gives two shits about the Firebombing of Tokyo 5 months earlier even though it killed just as many and left 1 million people homeless.
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>>3115868
Your analogy doesn't really work. The objective is to get the man to stop trying to stab you and leave. Using the nuke on a populated city isn't killing his fucking baby, it's shooting him in the leg with your revolver. Invading Japan is trying to charge him with your knife, which is stupid. Keep in mind this is a crazy methhead who was been trying to kill you in a knife fight for the past 39 minutes, and started the fight by slashing you on the ear. You just now found two bullets for your revolver. Would you really fire them into the air, intentionally missing, and wasting the only shots you have, in hopes of scaring him off?
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>>3116248
New to the thread, but beautiful analogy, really.
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One of the few topics where liberals will side with Nazi allies kek
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>>3116178
Of course that was the high command's rhetoric. But even if it was their true intention, how far do you think it really would have gotten in practice? A starving and poorly equipped mainland Jap army gets BTFO by an allied invasion and then what? Untrained women and children come out with bamboo sticks and get massacred?
I am not arguing that the high command wasn't insane. I am saying that the population and military were already devastated enough to the point that nuclear bombs were just superfluous.
Also, this notion that the Japanese were incapable of surrendering by their own volition is stupid. By the battle of Okinawa, Jap soldiers there were already starting to surrender in droves compared to the numbers from previous battles.
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It was a necessary evil. You could invade, and probably kill just as many civilians and thousands of soldiers. Or you could just kill the civilians. And would you care to explain how Hiroshima and Nagasaki are any worse than the Tokyo Firebombing? Just as many people died.
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This thread is godawful.
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>>3116325
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa
the battle of Okinawa proved the the japanese government and people were willing to do absolutely everything in its power to resist a allied invasion
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>>3115717
>the alternatives were worse
Isn't that always the case.
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>>3115779
>you barbaric americans nuked so many innocent japanese
>i hope you get nuked 70 years later killing some of your innocents to make up for it :^)
>inb4 they're not innocent because of collective guilt but the japs don't have any of that
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>>3116433
The Ironic thing is that besides Britain the US inflicted the least civilian casualties and heinous acts compared to Japan, Germany, Italy, and USSR
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americans deserve everything bad happening to them, everything
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>>3116248
Well done anon
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>>3115731
Don't care.
Fewer people died achieving the same outcome. Fine by me.
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>>3116012
>instead I'd like to kill millions of them and of my own countrymen via a land invasion that will literally destroy Japan as we know it
These fucking weebs I swear to god.
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>>3115912
You are right, it should have been decided by broadsword vs katana by truman and the emperor. Like real men.
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>>3115779
Jesus you're a brainlet
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>>3116053
As opposed to btfo by lmao2bombs?
Maybe next time shrimpdicks.
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>>3115706
that picture is fake here is a real shadow burn from Hiroshima.
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>>3116029
>Go ahead, go bomb so more American "towers" if you want, see what will happen.
You'll invade some irrelevant shithole as retribution while continuing to send billions' worth of arms to the country that actually produced and bankrolled the people that carried out the initial attack?
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>>3116364
To add to this, the Okinawans aren't even considered proper Japanese (especially under the Empire) and they still went all out for muh Emperor
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>>3116002
>with a commie Japan anime and UGUUism wouldn't exist
You make it sound like that's a bad thing
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>>3115717
>Soviet and British Causalities.
No it wouldn't. Soviets and British were not part of the American Invasion plan of Japan and the US would've shot at the Soviets if they tried to enter Japan from the north or any other way.
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>>3115779
>Stab his baby to death in front of him or shoot his hat off with a loud revolver?
That's what Japan literally did throughout all of Asia, dumb ass. Play stupid game, win stupid prizes.
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Would they have done the same to America if they possessed that power?
Its war, a new weapon that is an instant win, was we all crying with the invention of gun powder and soldiers armed with swords got raped hard from a distance? At the time it was okay, im sure we will look back at all the terrible things we do today and be completely baffled at what the holy fucking shit we was thinking.
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>>3115706
>be jap kid
>shredding pipes on my board
>bout to do a gnarly kickflip
>suddenly bomb evaporates me
>legacy lives on through atomic shadows
Based
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>>3115706
Why wrong? USA always was a game-cock
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>>3115838
Here's a demonstration, with the bonus of destroying a city.
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>>3115912
Japan started it after they threw a fit that we wouldn't supply their barbaric war machine any more.
I love this line of reasoning:
>Oh shit if we can't buy oil from the US we won't be able to wage war on as large of a scale as we did before
>Let's wage war against the US
>Genius
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>>3116012
Option A:
>Kill huge amounts of civilians, devastate multiple cities and drag out the war for another year or two, while your own men get killed
Option B:
>Kill less civilians, devastate two cities, and end the war almost immediately with a handful of planes and two bombs that fly too high for the Japanese to touch
The choice is obvious. If this were an alternate timeline where the US had the nukes but didn't use them, you'd probably be bitching and moaning about how the US decided to bloodily invade japan instead of dropping the nukes to end the war quickly.
Weaboos not even once
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>>3117571
not trading oil to someone is an act of aggression, but invading them isn't
t. weebs
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>>3117052
What did they mean by this?
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Japan lol nice empire fagtron you sure beat me with that hot kantai kessen
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This thread started out with potential for meaningful discussion on the worth of innocent lives in wartime, but it turned out to be a bait thread made by angry japs and America-haters
& Humanities strikes again
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Play stupid games win stupid prizes
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>>3116305
>liberals
Nice buzzword.
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>>3116728
I didn't say "bitch" as in "pussy", I meant "snake", "cunt", etc.
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reap what you sow bitch
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>>3116449
Are you typing this from a favela anon
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not american, but the japs were merciless fucks; they treated the chinese like vermin, they actually treated everyone they defeated worse than animals, so in the end when the wheel turned, there was little empathy and mercy. World War 2 canceled the taboo of collateral damage or targeting civilians, which was bullshit even before, no one really refrained that much from rape and pillage, only that ww2 made it big, on an industrial scale, like pretty much else
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>>3115706
Your people were historically too stupidly arrogant to accept total surrender before getting nuked twice and having a hoarde of angry Soviets breathing down their necks. Explain this autism.
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Daily reminder Truman bombed Japan so USA could rule the islands without Soviets. If they didn't drop bombs, USSR would have to get involved and they would split the zones of interests like they did in Europe.
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>>3115779
>It's okay when muh Japanese cartoons do it!
Just stop you mongloid.
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It was the cheapest way to end the war. So yeah, it's what they should have done.
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>>3117603
Two bombs were not enough!
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>>3118072
I hear this parroted in each of these threads. How would the practically nonexistant soviet navy commit to an amphibious assault? Why would we allow them to mobilize any further when it was not within our political objectives via lend-lease?
Also to that dumb fuck above with the retarded metaphor. The firebombing of Tokyo killed more than any of the nukes. It was Nip hubris to not have abdicated. Sew the seeds, reap the whirlwind.
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>>3115706
Reap the whirlwhind nigga.
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>>3115997
low effort shitposter that isn't smart enough to actually make a half decent argument
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This entire thread is pointless because the real reason japs surrendered was the soviet invasion of manchuria.
Dropping the bombs was just the first move of the cold war
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>>3115717
>Amphibious invasion of Japan, which would lead to millions of Japanese and hundreds of thousands of American, British, and Soviet casualties.
I literally can't believe people are still arguing this
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>>3119206
What do you mean? Operation Downfall was being planned for, and would have certainly led to more casualties on both sides than the atom bombs did.
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>>3118993
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>>3118439
Not to mention that each vertical end of Japan are extremely different places both geographically and culturally and the north end which the Soviets would get is nothing in comparison to the American section
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>>3115731
stop being a moralcuck. The bombs served two purposes: ending the war with the least amount of Allied blood being shed and sending a message to the world.
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>>3115706
this fucking thread
>Japan punches America
>America punches back harder
>waahhhh, why did you punch Japan
>so what if Japan punched you first? That's whataboutism!
Yes, the bombing sucked. Yes, a demonstration was possible. No, Japan would probably have kept fighting. No, other plans would have resulted in a greater loss of life on both sides. Yes, we should refrain from nuking other countries in the future. Why is this shit so hard to understand?
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>>3119586
>we should refrain from nuking other countries in the future
>but last time was okay though and if we find ourselves in the same circumstances again, it'll be okay again ;^)
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>>3119600
When did I say that the bombing was "okay?" It's not my job to be a moralizing force on decisions that have already been made. People in this thread are just being braindead though and rejecting basic trains of logic because they learned what the term whataboutism means 3 hours ago and are trying to sound intelligent while decrying one of the most controversial miltiary actions to this day.
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>>3119628
>basic trains of logic
Such as "it's okay to drop nukes on innocent civilians" because "[insert shit-tier excuse]"? Also replying to reasons why that's not a good excuse with "muh nanking"?
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>>3119646
No, shit like this is what I mean:
>There was no reason for America to drop nukes, he could have waited
>but, as evidenced by [insert event here], the Japanese forces on the mainland would have continued to cause havoc without an immediate end to the war
>that's just whataboutism
The whole damn discussion is about calling for a reason for an atrocity, and, when a reason is given, it is immediately dismissed with claims that it isn't pertinent to the discussion, since this is about American crimes, not Japanese ones, even though there's probably some causal relationship between the actions of the two countries.
Admittedly, there are also retards arguing pro-bomb, but I haven't seen as much in this thread as from the anti-America posters.
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>>3115823
Nope. It's very much poignant and topical. It is the punishment of the very same people who committed brutal acts. By your logic, a criminals previous crimes shouldn't matter in a crime spree.
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>>3119689
>criminal
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>>3119719
I agree war is terrible for all, especially children. That is why we must avoid it at all costs and only defend our soil and our close allies. If provoked into war, it should be as brutal as necessary to achieve victory. Or since you are clearly a nigger, don't start - nothing won't be nothing
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>>3115779
They desserve to get nuked as much as any other country desu.
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>>3119859
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>>3119872
Barking up the wrong tree, friend
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>>3115717
>In a different timeline
The alternatives at the time were:
1. Literally dropping two of the most powerful bombs ever constructed on densely populated areas killing mass amounts of innocents and hope they surrender.
2. Amphibious invasion of Japan, which would lead to millions of Japanese and hundreds of thousands of American, British, and Soviet casualties.
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>>3117988
>they treated the chinese like vermin
Chinks are vermin you stupid fuck.
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>>3120978
Jesus Christ....0:32!!!!!!! I'm glad I saw the ending.
I would've probably killed him if I were the guy who intervened. I thought he was going to let him go. What the fuck happened next?
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>>3115706
Rape of Nanking
Reminder that it actually happened. What the fuck is wrong with Japan?
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>>3120928
Not necessarily. You also have blockade and starve them out, which will probably kill millions of people directly, plus however many die in Japanese occupied territories before they decide to throw in the towel (if they do so at all)
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>it wasn't okay to nuke Japan
It was okay because we won. History is written by the winners, and the only morality in war is strength.
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>>3115717
>All of these contrarian replies
Lmao, you really have no understanding of the mentality of the Japanese in WW2 if you think nuking them wasn't absolutely necessary
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>>3121131
>whataboutism
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