What are some of the biggest mysteries of History?

The Late Bronze Age Collapse

>>3115328
Bronze Age Collapse

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>>3115328
Ancient african space race

>>3115338
>>3115346
Wasn't this caused by migration?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot

NazBol is the ultimate redpill

>>3115353
The most compelling theory is a general systems collapse. Migration on its own is insufficient.

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>>3115353
Unknown, the migration may have been in response to a weakening of the big powers. What seems to have happened is that a succession of falls led to the globalized society experienced in the Mediterranean to collapse. Whether the Sea people caused those collapses or simply capitalized on it is unknown

>>3115353
Supposedly climate crisis plus a volcano set it into motion

Atlantis. You know it existed.

>>3115533
Yakub invented wypipo

>>3115533
They didn't make the pyramids, that was the Egyptions

>>3115533
Aliens built the pyramids retard.

>>3115533
Whitey stole their special powers and minds and the secrets of al-gebra. You know how knowledge works, when someone learns something, someone else has to unlearn and forget it forever, and then racially and collectively morph into starving retards.

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>>3115570

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>>3115328

>We know that a particular board game involving dice was incredibly popular in the Roman empire
>It was mostly played by the lower classes, but a few notable members of upper-class indulged as well.
>Emperor Augustus loved the game so much that he had his carriage specially modified so that he could play it while traveling.
>Emperor Claudius would invite Senators to his house and give them vast sums of money upfront just so they would have something to bet without having to risk their own money

Despite this we have no idea what the rules were, or how it was played besides that it involved dice and moving around some pieces on a board.

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>>3115591
It was probably backgammon, my man. Hate to burst the bubble.
Here's Roman handball

>>3115619

I doubt that's correct because we do at least know that the board was in fact some sort of grid. However, there are other things from Rome which know existed but we don't have:

>Caligula's sister wrote an autobiography at one point, but nobody has ever found it intact.
>Nero's mom wrote an autobiography at one point, but nobody has ever found it intact.
>Sulla wrote an autobiography at one point, but nobody has ever found it.

Those three autobiographies could shed a lot of light on things that have puzzled histories for decades. Caligula in particular, because most of what we know about him is meme history. A real source from somebody close to him would be a gold mine.

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Any manuscripts in Shakespeare's hand
>>3115654
The real loss when it comes to imperial literature is Claudius' Dictionary of Etruscan.

>>3115353
Probably. My theory is ancient nomad caused this. Similar to how the Xiongnu/Huns drove the massive native nomads west and Rome was devastated by this. The same effect probably happened.

Where is Genghis Khan buried and what treasures lay in his tomb? Also where is Alexander The Great's tomb, anything left of it or him?

>>3115585
lol this.

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>>3115679
Considering how people reportedly knackered about his mummy all the time, it's doubtful. However, here's a cool fresco from a Macedonian Tomb, perhaps a Philippian one at that. It's very well wrought

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>>3115328
Operation Highjump

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Pretty entry level, but they still haven't deduced what Greek Fire was made of. It's pretty intriguing that the middle age byzantinians managed to create such a superweapon and then keep the secret forever.

>>3115358
"General systems collapse" tells nothing other than a bunch of fuck ass shit happened and it took civilization a long ass time to recover from it.

The Indus Valley Civilization seems to have collapsed in the centuries preceding this, and the general time period correlates with the historical Shang-Zhou transition (which by itself seemed to have brought significant in chinese civilization and religious practice. the mandate of heaven dates to this period). Maybe all or most sufficiently advanced civilizations in Eurasia were doomed to failure during the 1400-900BCE period not necessarily due to the direct shift from bronze-iron which seems to have disseminated piecemeal through Eurasia but perhaps due to cultural pressures that arouse as a result of these civilizations forming around bronze in the first place. Native bronze is rare in nature and sources of tin can be controlled quite easily by a centralized authority. It's much harder for a central authority to control every source of iron in his kingdom or neighboring kingdoms. In addition, it's easier for a layman to hammer a billet then it is for him to make a cast. The Bronze Age correlates with highly centralized societies and its end seems to have favored more decentralized arrangements (the twelve tribes of Israel, city-states of Greece, the feudal Zhou polities, the loose nomarch confederation of the 25th dynasty in Egypt, and the iron age vedic tribes of India leading up to the Kuru Kingdom).

The only civilization that exempted from this, in a wide band ranging from Italy to India, were the Assyrians, who survived by retreating to the core territories and biding their time. Everyone else gets owned by invaders, migrations, or marauders during that window of history.

Where's the beef

As a Catholic, the fucking state of the Vatican before the rebuilding of St Peter's in the 1500s. In the previous demo, hundreds of tombs of popes were destroyed plus they covered up Peter's supposed burial site which they only uncovered like 20 years ago.

From the minute the St Peters is rebuilt, there's a decent flow of information. Before that, there's soooo much fucking lore that no one knows: the crown of thorns, the lance of Longinius, the original Holy Grail, Peter's exact burial place, the burial cloth of Christ (Shroud of Turin has a bunch of complications).

Finally, Michelangelo apparently destroyed many of his drawings some of which were used as the architectural basis for the Basilica rebuilding. Wtf man....

>>3115757
napalm??

>>3115654
Also three fourths of Livy's History of Rome is missing

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>>3115766
Michelangelo destroyed a lot of his drawings in general, because he was a wicked cunt who was afraid people would steal his work. He also wanted to present himself as a natural genius, so he tried to destroy any rough sketches, like pic related, and denied any apprenticeship in his authorized biographies, Condivi's and the second edition biography in Vasar's lives.
He also apparently refused to take on skilled apprentices and only took ones he was sure wouldn't surpass him, using them for menial work like preparing paints.
Michelangelo is a fascinating character

>>3115761
That sounds really fucking interesting. Do you know of any paper that talk about The Bronze Age Collapse in this sort of viewpoint?

>>3115790
Yeah, and it's all of the relevant parts

>>3115790
>>3115842
Books 76-80 and part of 81 were discovered in the last several years, they haven't been translated yet

>>3115905
That's pretty surprising. I would've thought historians and translators would be super-excited to work with a thing like that. Maybe it's hard getting paid for it. Well, anyway, I aim to be a translator myself so if they don't hurry up I wouldn't say no.

>>3115654
sorry anon, but those got used for toilet paper just like 95% of all classical literature in the early medieval period

>>3115814
here's a very good lecture on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRcu-ysocX4

>>3115939
Ayyyy, I've seen that.
Here, have one of my favorites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDaZdO8RYuQ

>>3115328

The Trojan War

aka WTF ACTUALLY HAPPENED

>>3115993
There was a war, in Troy.
I honestly read a modern book that still toed the old, "The Trojan War was about the Mycenaean conquest of Crete" meme. It's like, what? They knew where Crete was, if it were about Crete, it would have taken place in Crete.

>>3116010
I think its interesting that certain details about Mycenaean Greece were correctly portrayed in The Iliad, while others were completely off base. Like Odyseus' boar tusk helmet which is accurately described despite them not being used for hundreds of years and none ever having been found in post bronze age archaeological sites.

>>3116146
Yeah, they also had chariots, but they aren't described as accurate in function. Also, the Greeks cremate their dead, where the Mycenaeans would have inhumed them.
Also, despite Iron having been developed during the proposed composition of the Iliad, bronze is solely referenced. It's interesting to see what actually survives the transmission process

>>3115993
I like to believe the Trojan war happened, in Troy, but it wasn't like the movies make it out to be - large organized armies and navies fighting it out for glory. The greeks back then were a bunch of tribes following whatever warlord came to power and the Trojans were probably doing the same, it's not hard to imagine this as a mere conflict between two ancient powers played out to be a great noble war for a cunt. Agamemnon needed to promise more than gold to his men in order to get so many of them to build ships and sail them farther than they've ever been, away from their families towards near certain doom, so he promised them glory, that they'l forever be remembered and so on. The stories about Troy rose from Agamemnon's attempt at building a legend out of a war in order to win that war, and he succeeded at both building that legend and winning that war, which says a lot about him.

>>3116229
there were no greeks back then

>>3115939
This was a pretty interesting lecture, thanks for sharing it. I've been wondering about the Sea Peoples' and the collapse of the late bronze age cultures recently, good to have more context about it.

>>3115328
Why Hitler cared about Aryans. I don't know if that was established, just seemed weird that that is the group of people he wanted and wasn't apart of.

>>3115761
Except that iron didn't start being preòevant in the Near East until 1000 bc, but most states collapsed around 1200-1150 bc

And in Greece it wasn't prevalent until 900-850 bc

>>3116157
?

Iron is referenced too multiple time in the Odyssey, are you sure it's not in the Iliad aswell?

>>3115679
I like the theory that it's in the Basilica of St Mark in Venice

>>3116414
That "mystery" is solved by reading the introduction to the Wikipedia page on Aryans.

>>3116456
Yes yes, that they were nobles or created all civilizations which a big hub was near/in germany then where lost to interbreeding. But why would he care of this race in his war. Shouldn't he of just cared about the Jews or world domination. The jews made sense since the porblems of Germany between ww1 and ww2, but why care for the Aryan race as a front runner idea.

>>3115353
Yeah pretty much, I read that it's likely there was small scale famine or drought that was bad enough it caused a small number of civilizations to turn on their neighbors out of desperation. This started a snowball effect where groups of people were either going around raiding agricultural centers or they were fleeing from the raiders and attempting to take refuge within the more established cities/countries. Basically there was no way that those early forms of government were ever gonna fend off raiders, feed the migrants, and deal with a famine all at the same time.

>>3116501
My point is was he just racist, wanted improve mankind, was he horny for blond chicks. Then why did so many Germans go with it if few were Aryan.

>>3115732
What's the mystery with this one?

>>3116501
Did you just have a stroke?

>>3115591
>Emperor Claudius would invite Senators to his house and give them vast sums of money upfront just so they would have something to bet without having to risk their own money
Daww, that's like the nicest version of "here's your controller, bro" in all history.

Irishfag here, studied celtic civilisation during my first year in college as an elective, loved it.

One of the biggest mysteries in that field is what the fuck happened during the Iron age. We have tons of myths but fuck all archaeological evidence, to the point that some speculate there was a plague that wiped out most of the population, so there was literally nothing happening.

An even bigger one is chariots. They're in literally every myth we have, but in the whole of the British Isles there has been ONE chariot ever found by archaeologists. So the mystery is either what did they do with the chariots, or why did they insert them into the stories if they were never used?

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>>3116573
Richard E. Byrd claims that he and his troops were attacked by flying saucers that came from underwater. Chances are that those UFOs could have been German and that not all is lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssO12u2DxD4

Romans didn't exist before the sacking by the Gauls. The Romans were actually the descendants of Gauls who stayed in Italy, and later retconned their history to claim they were Trojans.

>>3115674
Rome was on it's way to collapse way before the Huns entered the scene. And the Huns were disintegrated pretty much by a Germano-Roman alliance.

>>3117134
Maybe indo-european stories featuring chariots that were carried over into the British isles despite chariots themselves not having been carried over?

>>3117134
Who uses chariots in these myths and how common are they?

>>3117784
>the Huns were disintegrated pretty much by a Germano-Roman alliance
if you're talking about the battle of Châlons, you're wrong. The huns literally managed to invade Italy the following year. If it weren't for them retreating due to plague and famine, Rome would've been defeated. What destroyed the hunnic empire was the death of Attila.

>>3117134
I heard a pretty ridiculous theory that when Irish writers were introduced to Roman accounts of Celtic warfare like Pomponius Mela and Tacitus they were like "oh heck, this is us" and that coloured later renditions of Irish myths.

>>3117931
>If it weren't for them retreating due to plague and famine, Rome would've been defeated
Eh, doubtful, the eastern empire was sending help.

>>3117944
>the eastern empire was sending help
Sure, but the huns were taking roman cities at such a rapid-fire rate that they could have waltzed on rome before anyone getting there. The roman military was pretty much out of commission by this point and at one point, Aëtius almost grabbed the emperor and ran for it. Who knows what would've happened if Attila hadn't agreed to peace. They might very well have been defeated by the eastern romans, though, as you say.

>>3117937
Yeah that's one theory that's brought up occasionally, more out of confusion than anything else. Don't think anyone takes it too seriously, it's more that there's just no other obvious explanation

>>3117917
Literally anyone travelling or fighting, basically. Especially fighting. Read the ulster cycle myths and they're absolutely everywhere

>>3117887
Kind of begs the question of why they didn't make chariots if they knew what the technology was though

>>3116229
>The greeks back then were a bunch of tribes following whatever warlord came to power


False, Knossos was a massive city bigger than most Near Eastern cities, same with Pylos in mainland Greece, according to the Egyptoan account the Danaju (Danaoi) of mainland Greece had one king, the ahhiyawa (Achaioi) of the Hittite accounts too seem to have been ruled by one great king

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why we stopped making this delicious shit after rome fell

>>3116527
Jews are a race now

>>3115328
The history of south-eastern England between 410 and 700 AD.

>>3118625
Pls be bait

>>3115328
Two words: Roanoke Colony.

Why was Göbekli Tepe built, buried and rebuilt over and ocer again?

Why did the Cucteni-Tripolye culture do the same?

What cultures and, dare I say it, civilizations existed on the green sahara/ice-age coastlines (sundaland, persian gulf lowlands, pre-flood black sea and doggerland)?

Is Atlantis/Mu-stories a remnant of ante-diluvian history/civilization?

>>3118980
According to the anon i replied to they are.

>>3119116
Göbekli Tepe was a religious site. Despite what fedoras would like too believe all human civilizations were formed around religion. Remove it and you get disaster

>>3115353
it was a bunch of things all occurring close to one another in which society could not hope to handle and thus collapsed

>>3119136

I agree 100% that Göbekli Tepe was a pre-agricultural religious site, but that doesn't explain why it was built and subsequently buried.

Was it built as an mytho-astrological observatory to track and explain the shift in climate due to the taurid meteor stream hitting the Laurentide ice-sheet and the following global rise in sea level?

Or was it built as an religious center to facilitate a transitions to a cult of ancestors from hunter-shamanistic belief, that commemorated the rise of proto-agriculturalism?

And why the flying fuck was it built, buried and rebuilt over and over again?

>>3119290
There's about 3 different fault lines in that area. An earthquake probably destroyed it.

>>3115328
Where the frick is that Alexander guy buried?!?!

And don't tell me in Venice.

>>3115679
>Where is Genghis Khan buried and what treasures lay in his tomb?
If the story about his burial is true, he probably wasn't buried in a tomb that was constructed, but in a grave somewhere on the steppe.
Hard to find a singe grave in a country like Mongolia.

>>3117134
Wouldn't the most basic explanation be that they all rotted away? The ones that got preserved in graves, that is.

>>3115347
Detroit 2030

>>3119803
He's buried on the mountain he grew up on. The whole area was made off limits and was considered sacred (don't know if it still is or not)

>>3119122
You aren't wrong, put Hitler worshipped one race as inherently
superior to all others. That's pretty much the definition of racism

>>3115353
>Famines
>Earthqukes
>Rebellions
>Climate change

A combination of these could had trigger collapse of every ancient civilization, also provoking the immigration of the Sea-people to places like Egypt, causing the war between these two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRcu-ysocX4

>>3115328

Were ancient romans actually all black or not

>>3120046

Romans were a "rainbow" society. People from all over the conquered provinces were gradually incorporated into the empire.

>>3120046
>all black
No, probably a minority of them were but in rome they didnt discriminate by race they just hated barbarians which were pretty much anything that wasnt roman, you could be a barbarian turned roman but you had to serve for like 20 or more years (I think) and then you and you and your family were considered romans.

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>>3115328
History of Britain from c 410 to c.600

Just how much the Soviet Union really infiltrated and compromised Western nations during the Cold War. Perhaps the Cambridge Five and the Rosenbergs were just the tip of the iceberg. There is some evidence that even national leaders like Lester Pearson were unwitting informants of the KGB. it could also be the case that the Soviet Aliyah was cover for getting thousands of Soviet spies into Israel, and from there, into NATO countries (Sergey Brin, cofounder of Google, is one such ex-pat). Maybe the entire collapse of the USSR was staged, with Yeltsin and Putin carrying on the illusion for whatever reason. The Soviet Union was never toppled by force and the Russian state is the direct inheritor of all its secret archives and documents, most of which I'm sure will remain secret for our lifetimes.

>>3115757
>Greek Fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VNP50Cdkqs

>>3115328
It's a smaller thing but the origins of the state which would become Poland are pretty mysterious.

The Saxon Eastern March of the Holy Roman Empire was expanding eastwards beating up various Slavic tribes with their tiny divided territories until in the 950s-960s it came upon a larger state comprised of several relatively well-integrated tribes which promptly converted to Christianity and later became Poland.

It seems the tribal state had existed for several generations by then but they didn't have any form of writing so its history is very uncertain. By oral accounts it was founded by a dynasty called the Popielids. The last of them, Popiel IV, was supposedly overthrown and devoured alive by mice, after which the great-grandfather of the first historical ruler took charge.

We don't really know whether any of that is true.

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>>3120278

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>>3115761
fantastic post and also why i treasure /his/.
upvoted

>>3115353
Pretty much. And yet the EU and America still allow mass migration of peoples flood their borders thinking they are globalized peoples...

How does that saying go again? Those who do not learn from History are what?

oh yeah... fucked.

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We don't really know shit about the Sphinx, what it was originally called, when it was built, what it depicts, etc.

Göbekli Tepe is pretty mindblowing.

>>3120597
Fuck off Poltard

>>3115993
>It actually happened
That also means that the story of Aeneas founding Rome isn't completely out of the question either.

>>3115591
What the odds it was something incredibly intricate like warhammer or magic the gathering?

I seriously can't imagine a bunch of aristocrates going ape-shit over playing something like Sorry.

>>3121212
>Warhammer 40k in Roman Times
I want this to be real so bad :/

>>3119009
that's been solved for a while, bud

reading this thread with much amusement whilst waiting to take a shit tbqfrank

>>3116273
Tomato/ tomotto

>>3115591
There's also an ancient Indian dice game that was evidently extremely important (referenced in the Mahabharata and the Sastras) that we still don't really know how to play.

>>3120602

Yes

We know extremely little if anything about that thing.

>>3115993
My favorite recent theory involves Troy (Wilusa) being a Luwian city that was seiged in an absolutely MASSIVE Mycenaean war effort. The cost of the engagement was that the retainers who were holding shit down in Mycenae refused to give power back up to their lords who had been fighting the Luwians for so long, resulting in massive political and social upheaval that would eventually lead to the formation of the "Sea Peoples" as a conglomeration of dissident Mycenaeans among other allied groups.

>>3115328
ILIENSES FUIMUS AC STERCUS

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>>3115761
>it's much harder for a central authority to control every source of iron

your post is great but i have to interject.

There was a huge transitional period from bronze to iron for example the kingdom of Rome was still using bronze weapons. The prevailing theory is iron age may have been started by a shortage of bronze rather than the populous having a monopoly on iron.


Casting bronze is far easier and straight forward compared to the work needed on iron weapons hammering out the shape ,heat treatment etc furthermore if a bronze weapon breaks you can always recast the blade an iron blade would need to be rebuild from scratch

early iron age weapon's advantages would not have been apparent to ancient people and would not outperform bronze weapons in terms of performance.


interestingly enough apart from gold and copper ancient Egypt was metallurgically poor and had to import its Tin from far a field as Cornwall but had little iron as well so had to import all its iron after the collapse anyway.

>>3117931
>They tried invading the rotting husk of the Western Roman empire but failed due to natural conditions
>This was a strong faction

>>3120210
>"Rainbow" society
No, they're "Roman" society. People incorporated into the empire because they accepted the Roman way or enslaved by it like most multiethnics empires, not because Romans were forcefully diversify by regressive false ideology like we do today.

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>>3115619
>Here's Roman handball
Your left part of your pic is Greek and it was called Episkyros (ΕΠΙΣΚΥΡΟΣ),
The Roman handball Harpastum (the right part of your pic) was none other than the the Greek game Phaininda (ΦΑΙΝΙΝΔΑ).. Also the name "Harpastum" is the latinization of the Greek word Harpaston (ΑΡΠΑΣΤΟΝ).

>>3121430
[citation needed]

>>3123520
That's a great theory

>>3123615
Are you implying I said that? Because I didn't. The huns were pillagers rather than conquerors never had to face a strong enemy. Their empire was fragile to say the least.

>>3118904
What's the mystery?

>>3115993
idk anon, but it took place around bronze age collapse and this little mystery which we will NEVER solve.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/slaughter-bridge-uncovering-colossal-bronze-age-battle

>>3119515
Nothing is destroyed, it was deliberately buried. There is another little mystery that >>3119116 is forgetting. That is, the degradation in quality in the later rings. The core of the site is build of rather large and well carved stones, while the outer rings get shittier and shittier.

>>3119716
Venice

>>3121150
YEAH FUCK OFF POLTARD!!!1! Except that he's 10000% right.

>>3120602
Graham Hancock seems to have deduced a fair imho.

>>3117763
His one claim that retards who don't know anything about the Antarctic exploration interpret this way is one old interview where he basically says that the region aside from the Weddel and Ross sea areas aren't well explored which was true.

>>3115513
This.
The history of human civilization is older and weirder than any of us think.

>>3115790
You think that's bad, what we call the Illiad is likely just one part of something called the Epic Cycle, a twelve part series on the war of Troy.

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>>3115328
How the fuck do you make a polygonal jigsaw puzzle out of giant stone blocks?
Who did it first and when?
How old are these structures really?
Sites like Gudung padang, exceeding 9k BC...
Geologist dating of the Squinx to at least 8k-10k BC...

I want to know what was going on back then!

>>3115585
well, lost
that was unexpected

>>3115591
what if they played a Roman version of Warhammer40k?

>>3125267
The reason is Inca superiority. These eurangutan stoners...

>>3125163

This isn't as bad as it sounds, I'm pretty sure only the Iliad and Odyssey were composed by Homer and the rest were probably lesser works anyway. You get an idea of most of the war from Homer alone anyway

>>3117887

The british Celts used chariots heavily warfare, at least going by Caeser.
These seemed to be common among Celts until a certain point.

>>3117134
>An even bigger one is chariots. They're in literally every myth we have, but in the whole of the British Isles there has been ONE chariot ever found by archaeologists. So the mystery is either what did they do with the chariots, or why did they insert them into the stories if they were never used?

This isn't true.
>Some 21 British sites are known, spanning approximately four centuries

They tended to be rich nobles though.

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>>3125346
It's preinca, they were just the current empire when the spaniards came
There is no records of Inca doing megalithic stonework
There is however records of Inca trying it
>want to add a stone to a structure
>not even -that- big and heavy
>need 20k men
>have stone slip
>crush 3k men
>give up on trying to work with really big stones

They inherited the structures from earlier cultures

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>>3120278
>Maybe the entire collapse of the USSR was staged
tfw to inteligent to have a real economy

>>3116420
Knowing what iron is does not equal using it. Besides look at the hittites, they were among the first to use iron as far as 1300BC and a lot of good that did them. What changed when it comes to warfare is not the metal used but the military tactics and the development of highly specialised units.

>>3125537
> Besides look at the hittites, they were among the first to use iron as far as 1300BC and a lot of good that did them

Hittites were not he first to use iron, native Anatolians+Assyrians were (around 1800 bc), Hittites just burrowed the technique from them , besides, they used it only for luxury tools or small blades, they still used bronze for most tools and weapons.

>>3125267
>>3125512

Lol, these sites are all from the first millenium AD

9k bc is some ancient alien bullshit

>>3115338
Just look at how Rome collapsed, it would have been a similar event.

>>3123520
That's a dumb theory if I've ever heard one.

Troy was a shithole compared to cities like Hattusa, and Hattusa was sacked rather easily by some nomads.

Also, Achaeans actually managed to conquer Troy according to the Hittite records.

And the sea peoples appeared in Near Eastern documents way before Troy was sacked.

Really dude? Tiahuanaco is a fucking port city in the middle of a fucking desert. The nearest body of water is lake Titicaca and the last time the water from Titicaca was anywhere near the ports of Tiahuanaco was over 10,000 years ago.

>>3125555
Roman collapse was only a collapse for some parts of Europe, Bronze age collapse ended every civilization except Egypt, and they never came back from it fully.

>>3125615
>>3125552
oops

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>>3125552
The first millenium AD is preinca... and that dating is doubtful
The Inca build impressive stuff, but with smaller stones (pic related)


9k BC or older is solid dating for sites like Göbelki Tepe, Gudung Padang and parts of the Giza palteau (Squinx and Valley Temple)

In general dating stone structures is pretty hard and usually reliant on associated data (carbon matter, geological evidence, written records of construction...)

>>3120602
I immensely enjoy how it is called "Father of Horrors" by local Arabs now.

>>3121150
he's right though

>>3120582
Do I even have to say it

We never figured out what happened to the Belgae chief Ambiorix.

After Caesar butchered his people and burned down all of his villages, he just simply fled across the Rhine with a small army and was never heard from again.
I feel like if he returned during 52 BC, it could have easily tipped the balance of power in favor of Gaul and averted their defeat at Alesia. It just seems so weird to me that Caesar and Rome would just ignore a guy who up until Vercingetorix, was probably the most successful Gallic resistance leader.

>>3126585
Didn't know about this before but after reading a little it seems his people were completely wiped out and he was thus not deemed a persistant threat

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>>3120278
Shit son, nice theory but... do you have fact to back that up?

If Moses was actually Tutankhamen's son.

>>3124670
IIRC there are very little sources covering that period of time, if any at all.

>>3115761
>native bronze is rare in nature
Native bonze doesn't fucking exist. Native copper does, but it hadn't been a primary method of obtaining the metal for a thousand years by that point.

>>3126995
I thought that he was Ankhetaton.

>>3125512
It's probable that the neighbours of the Tiahanaco were the ones building it. The consensus says: In the beginning they came from the South (where the Tiahanaco were) and they settled on Cusco starting the Inca hierarchy system. Inca religion was almost identical to the tiahuanaco's.

The Inca records also affirmed that artisans and architects of the South were the ones who knew the best how to build those stone works.

The building process wasn't that hard knowing that there were several seasonal work duty days every year for every village and city (notice there was a huge population on the Inca empire before the death of 90% and later the civil war). That would explain the build process of the Inca road. The pyramids are also mightly amazing, yet it's possible to to understand how they did it.

I would love to know more about the records, fortunately nowadays there is more openness to the public regarding the national library and the records found in the colonial era.

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>>3115328
The Vinča and greater Danube neolithic cultures around 5700-3000 BCE. They made votive figurines and other small artifacts have survived, as well and fragments of writing, but as for who they interacted with and where they went, not too much is known.

>>3126764

Not that guy, but there is a guy who came up with that theory, its macthry or something

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Everything about this

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Voynich Manuscript is fascinating and annoying.

>>3128153
Recommended watch: レイダース/失われたアーク(1981)

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Probably one of the weirdest historical figures ever.

>>3128162
One of my favourite unsolved mysteries. It's basically the Collatz conjecture of cryptography linguistics

>>3128233
I've heard that the manuscript violates Zipf's Law, so the general consensus in cryptography is that it actually is just nonsense, but I don't know if that's actually true.

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>>3115328
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longyou_Caves

Basically, 24 massive artificial caves dating back to 200s BC were found in Longyou China bearing no record of any large scale construction there and no clear purpose as to what the fuckmassive caves were for.

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My Greek professor told us that if we wanted a globally respected PhD that we should try our hand at translating Linear A.

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>>3115328
Easy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria#

>>3121212
>>3121242
I doubt it, but there's nothing stopping it from being real. Miniature wargames are 300 years old at least , and it's not a stretch to think someone came up with
them even earlier and they just didn't catch up.

>>3128295

Really? What was the first miniature game?

>>3128258
Well good luck with that, nobody even knows what language it is.

>>3128258
>Lineal a
>greek
Good luck with that

>>3120033
Not anon but I've seen that before; he's a great lecturer.

>>3120597
Can people from /pol/ stop pretending they understand history when they clearly don't?

The reason why the late bronze age was so successful was BECAUSE it was globalised, and it collapsed when the links between different nations were severed. The migration was a symptom of climate change (famine and drought) and came in the form of invading peoples, not migrant workers you retard.

watch this:
>>3120033

educate yourself next time

>>3124822
>>3126043

see >>3120033
I know you guys hate learning things that disagree with your narrative, but actually watch the lecture.

Globalisation is what made the late Bronze age period so advanced, and when the links between different kingdoms and people's stopped functioning, it collapsed.

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>>3127851
>I would love to know more about the records


>This boulder was hauled across the mountain by more than 20,000 Indians, going up and down very steep hills... At a certain spot, it fell from their hands over a precipice crushing more than 3000 men

Garcilaso de la Vega el Inca, Royal Commentaries of the Incas, p.237

This commentary is related to Saksaywaman. The stone blocks there sometimes exceed 100tons and are joint in a perfect polygonal puzzle.
Inca certainly used the structures there as well as in Cuzco and other sites and did a great deal of building themselves. This doesn't mean that they or their direct predecessors were the original builders.
We really don't know who was able to build with these giant stone blocks, how they did it and when it happened.
We know very little about the Inca. We know much less about what was going on before them.

The Inca tradition associated Tiahuanoco with Viracocha, the creator god and bringer of civilization. The city was the capital of Viracocha and the spread of high culture in the Andean region is said to be spread from there.

Also as >>3125615 mentioned, Tiahuanoco was build as a port on the shores of lake Titicaca. Today it is situated over 100m above shorelines and geological data says that the lake has last been in contact with the port many millenia before.

>>3117944
Attilia had already razed the entire balkans and sieged Constantinople

The Romaioi weren't gonna do shit

>>3128284
Nice try there, baitman

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>>3128543
The geological studies are still recent and it's known that South america needs geologists and geo engineers (not trying to be an academia paranoia guy). South America still needs local topography and historical revisionism. The amount of historians interested enough to go deeper than most are almost relatively inexistent.

Also, the government doesn't allow that many excavations or chronical revisionism.

It's probable that the civilization that was before the Inca could have built Cusco or Saqsayhuaman, but it's pretty well known that the Inca organization was pretty much asian tier. The build and architect projects were pretty much recorded on the quipus and the amount of amerindians needed for such project is actually reasonable knowing that Spanish reports and Inca reports affirmed that some Inca highest generals managed to command 100000 soldiers in a single battle IIRC.

Don't forget they learnt the method thanks to some culture to the South. Maybe some neighbours near the Titicaca.

Also, the quipus have existed since millenia before Christ. Atahualpa, the traitor and the spanish destroyed most of them on the capital on Cusco and killed the priests and families that mastered the language. The rest kept using them, but it was used as simple accounting and project system until spanish started burning them.

Recently a woman, now dead, has published a book called Tupac Yupanqui. It compiles peer reviewed facts and a lot of records and legends that many cultures coincided.

>>3128403
You're a fucking moron with reading comprehension issues

>>3115585
>space jews

>>3126995
Could you please elaborate?

>>3118394
Roman accounts agree on chariots being common in Britain. Maybe they were made of wood and leather and shit like that and very fee or none have been preserved.

>>3120278
They infiltrated basically as much as the US did. That is, a lot, but they're definitely dead now. This of course doesn't mean that the Soviet "spirit" is dead. The thing about ideology is that it's really hard to kill.

>>3120602
Ancient Egypt neko :3

>>3128316
Idk, but it was some Prussian simulation game used as real military training for officers. Later on civilians started to play it, officers switched to more modern alternatives (literally video games), and now miniatures are exclusively used by civilians for games like 40k.

>>3130158
Are you talking about kriegspiel? Because that's a lot closer to hex and counter than minis

>>3128162
made up

>>3124780
> the degradation in quality in the later rings.

People stopped giving a shit. You'd see a similar trend of stone carving wasn't pretty much completely fucking dead.

>>3130239
What is?

>>3129742
We don't quite who the Pharaoh mentioned in the bible is.

>>3128153
In Ethiopia

>>3130219
I don't know the details about any of the early ones, but they are usually considered to be part of the same category of game.

My general point tho is that board games don't require any kind of technology that we haven't had for centuries, it's just a matter of having someone sit down and make up some rules.

>>3130289
Maybe because it's a story and it uses the generic "pharaoh" because it doesn't aspire to be placed in a specific timeframe