Were they /our guys/?

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>/our/guys mentality

Forced hivemind retardation. I pass.

>>3107984
Evidently, no one f
is forcing you to do anything.
NO FUN ALLOWED

Madison
>greatest contributor to constitution
>didn't go to extremes like brainles jefferson and hamilton

>>3107961
Of those 7? Jay all day.
>mad underrated
>responsible for the first major flexing of American diplomatic muscle post-Revolution
>way ahead of the curve on abolitionism

I was always confused, does Founding Fathers refer to everyone that signed the delcaration, or just to a core group like in your picture

>>3109240
>wasn't even a competent justice
Easily the least accomplished of those pictured. Even Patrick Henry or Sam Adams should be better regarded

>>3107961
>best founding father
>anyone other than hamilton

>>3109329
Topkek

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>>3107961
>The only one who successfully predicted the future

>>3109334
>tfw no de facto constitutional monarchy

The USA was so close to being a civilized country

>>3109343
Yeah, it did a lot of good for england

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Jefferson because he cared the most about liberty.

>>3107961
Basically. It's hard not to love them. Only the French and the Krauts don't.

>>3109623
>cares about liberty

>owns slaves

On a serious note, I think Jefferson's relationship with slavery is interesting, given the fact that he was morally opposed to it and actively made steps to end it during his career but was too broke to consider freeing his own slaves.

Do you guys think it was ethical hypocrisy for Jefferson to do this? Or is it redeemable in some way? I consider it kind of a dick move.

>>3109731
He was broke because he was a fucking wastrel who couldn't stand living a life where he had to prepare his own shaving water or clean his own quarters. You should see his expenditures abroad. He NEEDED a whole staff of domestics because he was raised like a fucking baby. Idk why Dixieboos romanticize the South when it produces an aristocracy of people worse than NEETs.

Washington, of course.

>>3109731
this was a pretty common stance among slave owning virginians. they usually wouldnt do shit about it though, just like jefferson. it maybe hypocrisy but it was common to all of his peers

>>3109075
This and James Monroe

>>3109746
Kind of infuriating when you consider Jefferson would purposefully dress and travel in ways that would make him appear to be lower class.

>>3109342
washington predicted partisanship and gettting involved in european wars would fuck things up

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>>3109829
>>3109746

>>3107961
Benjamin Franklin

>>3109731
Why do people spew the well known fact that he owned slaves as if it's remotely new or interesting

>>3109746
Because the virginia aristocracy produced Washington, Henry, Madison, Jefferson, Lee, Cabell, Clay, Fitzhugh, the Harrisons, and Marshall

New england produced brainlet puritans like john brown

>>3109910
Because it is interesting? Jefferson strongly believed in individual liberty and freedom and yet owned human beings, despite consciously thinking it was abhorrent to do so.

Just because it's well known doesn't mean it isn't well known for a good reason. Historians have always tried to reconcile the glamorous perceptions of Jefferson with the uglier sides, particularly Sally Hemings. There's a reason he gets more shit for it then, say, Washington.

>>3110021
Washington also freed his slaves when he died, unlike Jefferson.

>>3109900
this desu

>>3110021
>Because it is interesting?
Not really. It's the least interesting thing about him and the first to come up in every discussion.

>>3110040
Then talk about other things you think are more interesting. Obviously there's more to Jefferson than slavery. Be the change you wish to see my friend.