Popular Historical Misconceptions You Hate

>socialism is good

h8 it family

>Jesus was a real person

>>309746
I didn't know this was a misconception

Earth older than 6,000 years.

>>309746

>You needed 5 Shermans to beat a German tank, and most of them would die in the fighting of it!

>Pontius Pilate hated Jesus and wanted him crucified

Please. Pilate wanted to crucify everyone. IT was so bad it got him fired.

>>309752
Not a historical and not anymore a misconception than "capitalism is bad".

>>309753
Historian consensus is that he most likely existed, though whether he did miracles or not is questionable.

>>309755
>>309771
Have either of you even read the Gospels?

>>309755
Pontius thought the crowd were memespouting faggots and wanted Jesus to live.

>>309746
>Civilization is 9000 years old

Siiigggghhhhh

>>309746
Europeans were never invaded by "people of color"

Literally 99% of all people in the united States believe this

>>309779

>Gospels
>Accurate history.

For fuck's sake, Mark, the first Gospel, has his first historical error 2 verses in. They're junk.

>>309802
What in the fuck are you talking about? I'm American and I've never heard that before.

> the spaniards considered natives inferior to them and murdered and enslaved all of them

The truth is native nobility quite benefited from the spanish, some were even included into the spanish nobility

>>309824
Its basically the entire basis for white privilege and "you can't be racist to whites" etc

I might just be exposed to more of it living in the bay area of California.

>>309814
>Mark, the first Gospel
>Mark
>the first Gospel

>>309858
I've lived in southern california all my life and I've never heard what you're talking about.

>>309882
Written first you mong.

>>309746
>historical
>biblical stories

>>309893
he's just a deluded /pol/ack who thinks america has been infiltrated with sjws and feminists. these people are literally equivalent to those people who obsessed about 'muh commies' during the cold war.

>>309746
>pilate
>jesus
>historical

>>309882
Fucking Christfags, don't even know what order their books are written in.

>>309746
>germanic barberians were pagans who hated rome and wanted was to destroy it

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>>309746
>America's founding fathers were all super religious and they wrote the Constitution as a love letter to Jesus. They were also part of the Get Along Gang and the Constitution was made from a unified vision they all completely agreed on.

>>310053
the goths may have been more of a steppe people but they sure hated rome

>black and white are races and npt each a trait shared amongst many different ethnic groups and races

>the dark ages were a thing
>William the Conqueror was french

>>310099
But the Dark Ages were totally a thing.

The archaeological evidence suggests that the population of Europe steadily declined from the 200s AD to the 700s.

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>All of the Amerindians were a peace loving people who got a long with each other

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>>310055
This triggers me so hard

>Chavez was a dictator
>Khadaffi was a dictator
>Hitler was a dictator
>Lenin did nuffin wrong

cant think of more right now desu

>monogamy is a christian value and not a greco-roman tradition

>Hitler wanted to kill/enslave all Slavs

>>310021
>>309895
>Mark
>written first
the order is Matt, Luke, Mark and John, family

>>310163

>Marcan priority has been accepted by most scholars since the late nineteenth century and forms the foundation for the widely accepted two-source theory, although a number of scholars support different forms of Marcan priority or reject it altogether.[1][2]

Hitler had the wrong idea

The Roman Empire ended in 476

>>310165
>Many lines of evidence point to Mark having some sort of special place in the relationship among the Synoptics, as the "middle term" between Matthew and Luke.[22] But this could mean that Mark is the common source of the other two (priority), or that it derives from both (posteriority), or even that it is an intermediary in transmission from one to the other—in other words, many such arguments can support both Marcan priority and its rivals.

>In summary, the external evidence stands against Matthew using Mark, inasmuch as Matthew was written first, and against Mark directly using Matthew, unless perhaps either of these canonical Gospels is a translation into Greek influenced by the other... But the value of this external evidence is uncertain; most synoptic scholars regard it as being of little help and focus almost entirely on the internal evidence instead.

>ignore history
>MARK WROTE FIRST GUYS I SWEAR!
talk about "scholarship"

>>310181
Right, it ended in 480.

>>310183

>I'll just ignore the small size of Mark, the omission of the Lord's prayer or the infancy narrative, the relative flawed nature of the messiah figure, and all the other textual evidence that indicates Marcan priority, because muh self interested churchmen said so.

I mean for God's sake, if Marc came later, how come he didn't copy off of Matthew to make the geography of Judea make sense? Unless you really think that Jesus got lost on his way from Tyre to Galilee.

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>Romans were boy-lovers
>Philip of Macedon was a tyrant
>Alexander is Greek
>Mongols were a progressive and tolerant society
>The Old Testament's characters are supposed to be ultimate paragons of virtue
>Slavery was only done by whites on coloreds
>Samurai were honorable and were the greatest warriors ever
>Nobody washed in Europe post Rome

>>309910
>Thinking communist spies, and sympathizers weren't a real concern
Thanks for pointing out another misconception.

>>310195
>>because muh self interested churchmen said so.
>le church conspiracy fuggin chrischuns reeeeeee


Mark is supposed to be a synthesis of Matt and Luke as told by Peter and recorded by Mark, bro, that's why it's shorter

>>310197
>Alexander is Greek

Then what the fuck is he?

>>310214

Macedonian. They're basically Greeks. Same way Austrians are basically Germans.

>>310208

Then how come he gets the geography all fucked up? How come he can't tell the difference between Sadducees and Pharisees, with the later getting all mad at Jesus for healing on the Sabbath, a Sadducee position? Why are the local tetrarchs all called kings? Why does he list the Old Law as coming from Moses and not from God? Why does he make mistakes concerning where quotes in the OT actually lie? Why is the trial of Jesus before the Sanhedrin containing a laundry list of judicial violations, the simplest of it being that it was at night?

There is no way whatsoever that any native of Judea was involved in writing Mark. And that too, plays into Marcan priority. It's very easy to envision Matthew especially, who incorporates the bulk of Mark word for word, as a way of "fixing" the laudable but ultimately defective gospel. It's hard to come up with a reason why, if Mark comes later, why he would stick to the basic framework that Matthew provides, but inserting a whole bunch of historical, geographical, and theological errors, especially when Peter was the one behind this.

>>310223
Oh, well I knew he was Macedonian, I just figured it was another form of Greek.

>>310233

They are. Like I said, Austrians and Germans are essentially the same people in two different countries. Same for Macedonia.

>>310240
Ok, that makes sense.

Dias and Columbus were the good guys despite killing lots of people

>Dias more directly than columbus

>>309746
>European armies were intellectually stagnant from 1815-1914, leading to the bloody results of WWI

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>>310240
Or Somalis and Djiboutians. Or Somalis and North Kenyans. Or Somalis and Socatrans. Or Somalis and East Ethiopians.
Greater Somalia when?

>>310252
>>310252
When they learn how to handle Smaler Somalia.

>>310200
>thinking that communist spies and sympathizers could have any effect on the true outcome of the cold War.
communism's collapse was inevitable. stick to the conservative narrative retard

>>310251

You get similar notions from the fall of the Roman empire until the Renaissance, and it's equally stupid (sans the part about WW1)

>The Plymouth colonists wore black and white clothes and hats with buckles on them.
>Han shot first.

>>309746
I dreamed I met a Galilean
A most amazing man
He had that look
You very rarely find
The haunting hunted kind

I asked him
To say what had happened
How it all began
I asked again
He never said a word
As if he hadn't heard

And next the room was full
Of wild and angry men
They seemed to hate this man
They fell on him and then disappeared

Then I saw thousands of millions
Crying for this man
And then I heard them mentioning my name
And leaving me the blame

>>310231
here, you could try looking at this to get a quick overview of Matthean priority http://www.churchinhistory.org/s3-gospels/clem-trad/contents-clem-trad.htm

>Then how come he gets the geography all fucked up?
i dont know
>How come he can't tell the difference between Sadducees and Pharisees, with the later getting all mad at Jesus for healing on the Sabbath, a Sadducee position?
the difference wasnt of much use for the particular audience peter was addressing
>Why are the local tetrarchs all called kings?
i dont know
>Why does he list the Old Law as coming from Moses and not from God?
But it did come from Moses, that would be like saying the Bible isnt the word of God because we read "The Gospel according to Mark" instead of "the Gospel according to God"
>Why does he make mistakes concerning where quotes in the OT actually lie?
Peter forgot while giving his talks
>Why is the trial of Jesus before the Sanhedrin containing a laundry list of judicial violations, the simplest of it being that it was at night?
Joan of Arc's trial does too, doesnt mean it's fake

>earth is round

How the fuck would that work? If you went to the south pole you'd fall off into space.

>Indians dindu nuffin, they good boys!
>Injuns are savages, scalping our men and raping our wimminz!
I dislike extremes, and this coming from a redskin

>>309858
>>309893
Living in different parts of California my whole life I can confirm SF people think this and other various historical misconceptions.
Not a bad place though

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>>310257
>Implying
A deeper border would allow defense in depth. Since all of Sumal's problems is that foreigners exist around it, getting rid of the outlanders is the best solution

>>309910
I'm a liberal, but SF is far beyond PC

>>310325
What the hell does that mean though? "Europeans invaded by people of color". Like we "we wuz kings" shit?

>>310333
Oh idk about that
But a lot of younger people are convinced that only whites ever waged any wars
Not that white peoples haven't started their own share
This is /pol/ talk though

>the Tlaxcalans received the same treatment from the Spanish as the Mexica.

>>309802
>Literally 99% of all people in the west believe this

fixed that for you

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>>310333
basically pic related

>Thomas Edison invented the light bulb

>>310333
Can you fucking read?

Clearly it means "white people (Europeans) were never invaded/conquered by PoC (Arabs/north africans/Mongols/Turks) which none of these cunts have taken the time to research

because whitey has had better living standards for a few centuries they think history pre-1492 was all peaches and rainbows

>Leibniz and Newton invented Calculus

>>310402
I'm sure Austrians learn about the siege of Vienna

I'm sure Germans and poles learn about the huns

I'm sure Spaniards learn about the Umayyads and Icelandics about that weird raiding they were the recipients of, from the Turks I believe.

>>310331
Fair enough. Still though ,you may just happen to travel around liberal circles

>>310118
Can you explain to me what Chavez did right? I have a group of online friends who thinks he was wholesome but i look at the current state of Venezuela.

>>309900
>Who is King Solomon and David?

>>309753

Jesus of Nazareth was a real person.

Jesus Christ is a fictional character. He is Jesus of Nazareth as depicted by the Apostle Paul

>Alexander the Great was a brutal drunken tyrant

>>310532
In fact, I can't read.
Whoops

>>309746
Is this American thing since they don't read the Bible?

>>310698
>what is the new testament
>what is the old testament
>what are books that combine facts and fiction so that the two become indistinguishable

>>309746
>Pontius Pilate
It's Pontius Pilatus, you anglo tard. Why do you scumbags always do this?
>marcus antonius
>"hurr no it's mark antony durr durr hurr"

>>309746
Mispronouncing Latin names and phrases is a bit of a pet peeve of mine, it's pronounced Kikero and Yulius Kaiser

>>310795
I thought a lot of the original pronunciation of Latin isn't well known, is that another misconception?

>>310728
I forgive your transgressions

Forgive my temper anon

>>310248
No, it doesn't make sense! The hellenes did not consider the Macedonians to be Greeks, they specifically referred to them as an ethnos. Moreover, the Macedonians had kings, and REAL Greeks don't put up with that shit.

>>310712
As almost everyone now knows*, Jesus wasn't from Nazareth, because at that time the settlement consisted of about three goats.

It's a mistranslation of Nazarene.

(*Apart from all Christians, who don't actually know anything about history because it gets in the way of talking to their imaginary friends)

>>310795
Man, when people talk about how the Latin J is weird and how it's odd that all the romance languages pronounce it how they do I get really angry. Unfortunately we're so far down the rabbit hole at this point that the Anglicized pronunciations of Latin itself have become accepted as standard, and most people still think Ceaser is Seezer.

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>>310845

>>310258
I think contributing to the loss of China to communism is a huge effect to the true outcome of the Cold War.

>>309893
Maybe you should talk to your local university students.

>b-but no
Yeah people said my country would never be racially radicalized either but now we have blacks and antiracism activists raving that interracial relationships are a form of oppression.

>>310883
don't go on that stillwell bullshit again.

>>310895
Eh, it's not just California. I'm studying at an engineering-focused school in Texas and most of the students are like that here, the occasional "south will rise again" type notwithstanding. I think it's just a phase a lot of people go through in college, rebelling against their parents and whatnot by being the exact same kind of hippie they were when they were in college.

>>310104
>tfw the apaches were STILL a problem in the 20th century

>>310233
think of Macedonia as the Appalachian Trailer Trash of Greeks, and you're not too far off.

>>310852
*anglicized*?
Romance speaking faggot here, Caesar is also pronounced with an "s" sound here, not everything is to blame on the ebil anglos.

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>>310104
>the history of European-Native wars is a history of uninterrupted defeat and genocide of the Indians

Actually, until the mid-XIXth century, when new arms made whites unstoppable, many indigenous peoples managed not only to resist European colonialism, but to establish some sort of dominance over settlers, such as the Comanche in the Great Plains and the Mapuche in Patagonia.

>>310924
Sorry, being an Anglo myself I by default attribute everything good and bad that has happened since 1700 to Anglos. Damned Eternal Anglo strikes again.

>>310933
>tfw no domineering comanche gf
also, the notion that Greece was unified in any fucking way at all, pretty much ever

>>310944
>pretty much ever
Other than when it got conquered by the Italians and crusaders, hasn't it been pretty much a unified provincial unit since the Roman Republic took over? Or do people actually think pre-League of Corinth Greece was unified?

>>310955
>conquered by the Italians
wat. The Greeks handily defeated the Italians and Hitler had to bail them out

>>310964
unless you mean romans, i haven't read the thread desu

>>309746

The french/italians are bad at war memes annoy me. Especially on history boards.

>>310964
Um, what about the centuries of Venetian control over the western Ionian Islands and Crete? The period of Sicilian control over Achaea? Greece post-Latin Empire was a clusterfuck.

>>310424
>everyone gets named for their continent
>Europeans are said to be 'white people'

why lmao

>>310955
>hasn't it been pretty much a unified provincial unit since the Roman Republic took over

I think that even under the Romans the polis continued to be the main level of political participation in Greece.

>>310053
>Germanic
Questionable in some cases.
>Barbarians
Roman bias.
>were pagans
Plain wrong. Pretty much only the Angles, Saxons and Jutes who invaded Britain were still pagan.
>who hated Rome
That definitely explains all those traditions and cultural habits they mimicked from these hated people.
>and wanted to destroy it
It's literally a free barrier that enables you to do whatever the fuck you want without intervention. How would that be a bad thing and why would you want to destroy it?

Damn some people are dumb TßH fαm

>>310982
Oh, that's news to me. I'll admit I'm not well-read on the subject, but considering their attitude towards the Greeks I assumed they played around with the administration to centralize it and make it easier to govern.

>>310971
i though he was talking about world war two family

>>310214
A Macedonian. Macedonians weren't considered Greeks at the time. Alexander himself was adopted posthumously by the Greeks. The first ancient author who called him a Greek was Plutarch who lived four centuries after Alexander.

>>310108
>tumblr filename
>triggers

>>311001
He was me and I was talking about the Venetians and Sicilians. The concept of the modern Kingdom of Italy conquering anything is comical.

>>311006
Macedonia was just as Greek as Athens and Sparta. The only other ethnicity Alex could've been at the time was Celtic and he definitely wasn't. So yes, Alexander was Greek, He spoke Greek, Worshiped Greek gods and conquered Persia in the name of the Greeks.

>>310993
The Roman Empire wasn't really centralized for the first centuries, they mostly left the subjected peoples to their own devices, provided that they respected Roman sovereignity. A lot of Greeks preferred that because this meant that there wouldn't be more warfare between Greeks, since they were all subjects to Rome anyway.

Of course, they had also to comply with Roman demands and whatever liberties they had, they knew they had because of Roman "benevolence", so they from time to time begged the Senate for more autonomy (people still believe the Senate was relevant well into the Empire).

It was only the late Roman Empire, the "Dominate", that began a real centralization for as an answer to the anarchy and foreign invasions of the 3rd century.

>>311013
Greeks considered the Macedonians northern barbarians.

>>311023
only because their state didn't fit the model of the greek polis and the culture that went with it, which for the southern greeks was the basis of civilization. were not judging the macedonians from poleis greek standards though language and other similarities

>>310832
>Moreover, the Macedonians had kings, and REAL Greeks don't put up with that shit.
>lacedaemonians weren't gre*k
nigga pls

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>white people came to Africa and the only way they got slaves was kidnapping innocent, naked Africans who were sitting around in the bush
This is particularly frustrating because as well as SJW white guilt types I hear it a lot from actual Africans. I know education isn't great in most of the continent and most educated Africans are STEMlords without much time for history, but still.

But equally I hate
>erm did u no that africans wer inslaved by OTHER AFRICANS!!??!?!?!!!
Because yeah, sure, it's technically true, but "Africans" weren't some kind of monolithic entity. Pan-Africanism wasn't a concept at all. You just had a bunch of rival states who were all too happy for some pale people to show up and buy all their prisoners.

It's true that the economic benefits white slavers gave to African polities basically destroyed them because they kept getting into wars to get more prisoners to sell, but that's a very different argument from "white colonists dindu nuffin we good boys"

>>310055
The Constitution derives from God. Derrida agreed.

>>310099
>William the Conqueror wasn't French
Keep on telling yourself that Britbong

>>311087
Why can't Blacks and Whites just come together in brotherhood and agree that it's all the Muslims' fault?

>>310118
But Chavez, Gadaffi, and Hitler were all dictators by definition. I'm not sure what you're complaining about.

>>311146
>Muslims
Islamists*
Muslims didn't do nuffin and it's not real Islam anyway.

>>309774
Historain consensus can be achieved without presenting any evidence,its a popularity contest,the humanities are a joke.

>>310223
Macedonia was at the time under adminstration of Greece, wasn't it? Therefore he was greek. Also ethnic

>Popular Historical Misconceptions You Hate
>Hitler's race theory was based on only looks and if you didn't have blue eyes and blonde hair you weren't considered Aryan

>>310190
>1453

>>310979
Because non-whites hate white people yet demand the right to be called Europeans.

>>311146
Slavery has existed for long before Islam too, m8.

>>309910
He was referring to the Ottoman conquering of the Balkans/Umayyad invasion/Moorish invasion of the Iberian peninsula/Barbary slave trade.

>>311179
>Everyone who was born in Europe in the early 1940s is German

>>310845
>Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically,[f]

>>309771

>You needed 5 Shermans to beat a German tank, and most of them would die in the fighting of it!

Everyone knows you need at least 10.

>>310099
>>the dark ages were a thing

They were tho, in Europe. Europe suffered a heavy decline in population, centralization and communication with the outside world.

>>310310
rare dubs and I agree. Good luck explaining it to /pol/, there is only black and white and we all know what they feel about the blacks

>>311179
>Macedonia was at the time under adminstration of Greece, wasn't it? Therefore he was greek. Also ethnic

There are so many errors with this statement I don't know where to begin.

there wasn't a "greek administration" at the time. Greece was fragmented into numerous city states. These city states were then formed into a lose alliance called the Hellenic League. And who was the defacto ruler of the Hellenic League?

Macedon.

So by your argument, not only is Alexander Macedonian, so are all the greeks under him.

>>311352
I know that, but he was using that to make an argument that people in the west only see white people as oppressors and not as oppressed. /pol/ loves to see themselves as white victims

>>309771
>You needed 5 Shermans to beat a German tank, and most of them would die in the fighting of it!
It's you need 5 to beat a tiger, and that comes from WW2 tankers experiences and tactics.

>>310988
You are the dumbest person in this thread.

>>310190
>>311180
235 really.

>>310818
Yes it is. It is perfectly well reconstructible through the Romance languages. We can even observe local changes in pronunciation over time by the misspelling in graffiti.
Linguists have even reconstructed the pronunciation of Proto-Indo-European, from which most European and Indian languages are derived.

>>311521
how so? he's a bit off in some points but all in all it's a much more accurate picture than "hurrrr muh rome the barbarians who ate mud wanted to destroy it and they had no culture or anything fucking barbarians ;_; rip rome"

>>310197
Phillip of Macedon was a tyrant. That was just the title of the job back then.

>>311504
To be fair, Macedon had only been at the head of the league since Phillip turned the place from the backwater state the other Greeks laughed at to the forefront of asskickery.

>>310601
He died of cancer.
He has no other redeeming qualities.

>>311560
1923 actually.

>>311516

[citation needed]

Belton Cooper or sources that draw from Belton Cooper don't count.

>>310181
True, it ended 30 years before with the last decent emperor.

>>311516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNjp_4jY8pY

>>309792
B-but we found bows from that age anon

>>310053
Just because alaric fought against pagans doesnt mean he didnt have them in his later army. He probably had at least ten thousand when sacking Rome.

>>310197
>slavery was done by whites on coloreds
are you trying to pretend that didn't happen?

>>312000
You're a fucking idiot.

>Only europeans and ancient egypt practiced slavery

>>311597
>he
No, you're a samefagging retard

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> Native Africans had nothing to do with selling slaves

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>Africans were peaceful people

"Strike an enemy once and for all. Let him cease to exist as a tribe or he will live to fly in your throat again."

"Women that bear children must exist in Zululand only."

Based Shaka

>>311786
Ottomans are no more Romans than the Italians

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>>310310
But anon, extremes mean you don't have to do difficult things like maintaining objectivity or exercising critical thinking. All you need is a single line of logic and stick to it in all situations possible.

You can imagine why it's so popular in political circles.

>>310310
My fellow native. Which tribe/confederation senpai?

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>all of the barbarians were germanic tribes
literally the most germanocentric bullshit there is.

already proven wrong by genetic studies, yet still repeated everywhere.

>>311146
Because it's not all their fault, you fucking tard. And because history is not about finding who is "at fault"

>>312271
This

Both sides had good and bads

>>311146
Because they didn't invent slavery either, Tyrone.

>>309746
>immigration is bad

>>309802
What are the hunnic, muslim and turkish invasions?

>>312303
banter

>>311084
Well to be fair they had two kings and a council restricting them. There wasn't really anyone putting the brakes on king of Macedon.

US saved European from Nazi in WWII

>>311061
During a certain trial by Alexander, he dissociated himself and his Macedonians from native Greeks.

>Hitler was a Jew

>>309781
The only correct statement

Also fuck you OP

>>312497

Why did you word it so funny?

>>312497
They safed it from Stalin though.

>>313302

Eastern Europe would disagree.

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>>313312
>mfw imagining france would be belarus tier now

>>312000

Nice job revising his post and omitting the "only."

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>Hinduism is a pagan religion
>Confucianism and Chinese ancestor worship are the same thing
>The Romans and Greeks were truly democratic
>People became significantly dumber everywhere after the fall of Rome
>Christian kings and Muslim Sultans despised eachother
>The HRE and Rome got along perfectly well
>Martin Luther was accepting and tolerant of other people's views
>Religion has never been used to make political advances
>Fundamentalism is a modern invention

>>313343
>>312071
>>312000

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade

>"estimates that 1 million to 1.25 million whiteChristianEuropeans were enslaved in North Africa, from the beginning of the 16th century to the middle of the 18th, byslave tradersfrom Tunis, Algiers, and Tripoli alone"

>"16th- and 17th-century customs statistics suggest that Istanbul's additional slave import from theBlack Seamay have totaled around 2.5 million from 1450 to 1700"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_slave_trade

>"Even after several measures to ban slavery in the late 19th century, the practice continued largely unfazed into the early 20th century. As late as 1908, female slaves were still sold in the Ottoman Empire. Sexual slaverywas a central part of the Ottoman slave system throughout the history of the institution."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

>"Historians estimate that between 650 and the 1960s, 10 to 18 million people were enslaved by Arab slave traders and taken from Europe, Asia and Africa"

>>310055
Many of them were super religious.
>the founding fathers were muh fedora fantasy

>>313397

A lot of them were Deists.

>>313409
Damn I didn't know that bro thanks for the input

>>313375
>>Martin Luther was accepting and tolerant of other people's views
Literally "BURN THE KIKES! PEASANT WAR NOW!"

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>>310055

That irks me a lot too. I live in the Upper Midest and there are a worryingly high number of people here who think that the constitution makes it so America is a theocracy. Not enough people understand how the hell their own government functions.

>Constitution was written specifically to be deistic-sounding and impartial
>The Fathers got shit back in the day for not making it religious enough

>>310118
All true except the Lenin bit. Are you retarded?

>>313423

You're very welcome!

>>310181
>>310190

>The Roman Empire didnt die with Augustus and all sucessors arent just fuccbois ruining shit

baka desu senpai

>>312071
I never heard anyone say that desu.

>>309802
>people of color
>implying they is all United and peaceful n' sheeit but whitey is evil

>>309746
>Pontius Pilate hated Jesus and wanted him crucified
How can this be a historical misconception? No one who isn't a christian won't even know who Pontius Pilate is, and every christian who remembers enough catechism to know Pontius Pilate will remember that he didn't give a shit either way and WASHED HIS HANDS of the situation. I mean Jesus fuck, the whole point of that bit in the gospel is harp against passivity and shit.

>>313791
> No one who isn't a christian won't even know who Pontius Pilate is

I know who he is from a shitty book I read in high school called Song of Solomon. I think he was mentioned in Dante's Inferno (the video game) as well

>>313791
>he didn't give a shit either way
He tried repeatedly to have Jesus freed and only washed his hands of it after the Jews were in near open revolt.

>>314040
>the jews dindu nuffin

>>313840
>Dante's Inferno (the video game)
underage and fedora

>>310142
its not greco-roman
its just roman. it was completely okay for a married man to go to prostitutes and fuck boys in ancient greece

>>310197
>Romans were boy-lovers

who says that? the romans made fun of the greeks for being kid diddlers

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>socialism is good
>capitalism is good
>democracy is good
>liberalism is good

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>>310197
>Romans were boy-lovers
O rly?

>>310099
>William the Conqueror was french

Well, he was 100% French by culture and probably over 70% French by genetic admixture

>>310969
The French one is really annoying since they were gods of war until 1815
For the Italians, it can somewhat be understood given that they didnt do shit since the fall of Rome

>>309781
The "messiah" wants us to GIVE AWAY our shekels?!?! OY VEY, KILL HIM GOYIM, KILL HIM!!!

>>311084
Derr, what is the gerousia and the what were the ephors? Spartan kings were kings in name and got to lead armies and pass out extra food at banquets, that's it. Moreover, the Spartans had king(s).

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Since I seem to have fallen for a lot of these, whats a good book that gives a good overview of human history, [if one exists]?

>>312315
kek

>>312573
Who his grandfather was, was questionable, his grandmother was a maid for a jewish family.

Likelihood still is low that he has jewish ancestry.

>>310055
IIRC Thomas Jefferson was anti-Trinitarian.

>>313456
If they're like typical Christians they assume something without actually reading it, much in the same way the don't know shit about the bible, just what their preacher has told them.

>>315569
Normans had not been there long enough to have been assimilated that much.

The downplay on the effect of slavery on the Civil War a year ago or so.

>>315800
Few Americans even know the he wrote a bible that stripped out most the miracles, the parts of the gospels that mentioned his resurrection and parts that mentioned his divinity.

Most "Christians" today would most definitely condemn him as some godless heathen.

>>310988
he's saying you're dumb because he agrees with you. you were responding to a statement that he considered a misconception as well

>>310181
Definitely. It ended with the establishment of the Tetrarchy.

>>315848
Yeah but the issue is he also did stuff like signing things with the date "178X in the year of our Lord, Jesus Christ" when he was president.

I don't think he knew what he believed, or at least was in a constant struggle for his beliefs.

>>316242
Atheism wasn't a believable concept at the time.

No one had a good explanation as to why the earth was the way it was, and how humans came to be so it was safer to say god did it then.

Deists simply believed that god didn't give a shit anymore or was dead, since miracles weren't happening anymore.

>George Walker Bush was a bad president

>>313383
only, ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY did you not see the word ONLY in that post? God fucking dammit, if this is a troll it's successful but if not you need to LEARN HOW TO FUCKING READ.

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>Spartan invincibility/greatest military ever
>slavery was exclusively white on non white

>>316242
>Yeah but the issue is he also did stuff like signing things with the date "178X in the year of our Lord, Jesus Christ" when he was president.
literally a formality. when we say bc do you think we take "before christ" seriously

>>311476
In medieval times majority of scholars agreed that Earth was flat and it revolved around the sun yet it doesn't mean it's true

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>Salvador Allende was well loved by everybody
>Nobody supported the coup except for the military
>Allende was the savior of Chilean democracy
I'm not saying Pinochet was a savior as I'm sure some on pol might say, but Allende was kinda becoming a dictator and the coup did have a lot of support outside the CIA and military.

>>315824
Are you retarded?
They had been in France for roughly two centuries
They adopted French language, French religion and basically all aspects of French culture

Would you claim that descendents of Germans who arrived in the US in mid 19th century havent been there long enough to assimilate?

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>>317360
>In medieval times majority of scholars agreed that Earth was flat
>medieval times
>Earth was flat
Get off this board now

>Napoleon was like 19th Century Hitler
nothing triggers me more

>>309746
>Medieval lords used peasant conscripts that died in droves to fight their wars
>There is is no life more horrible and short than that of the medieval peasant
>Kings wee bound by no laws and could whatever they wanted to the people in their realm

Because why let history get in the way of your class warfare narrative?

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>>319327
>Kings wee bound by no laws and could whatever they wanted to the people in their realm

Not true for most kings indeed, but for some it did apply

>>318151
And over time, people will probably say this more and more.

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>>318151
I was having an argument on facebook over pic related and she said that. Triggered me so hard

>>319839
It's such a stupid fucking thing to say. The comparisons between the two are so surface level, but normies don't give a fuck about policies, intentions, or even who declared war on who. They just see "Napoleon and Russia both got beaten by da Russian winter! Both of dem tried to conquer Yurope!"
fucking idiots

>>318049
>>315569
The issue is what we mean when we're talking about "French culture" in the 11th century. It's the same danger as with any generalisations of populations within borders before the invention of the idea of the nation-state.

>>310197
>Slavery was only done by whites on coloreds
Nobody thinks that. It's just that slavery is the one that comes to people's heads first.

>>319912
Never say never, dude. A girl in my first year university class argued with my professor that african on african slavery was propaganda made up by Europeans.

>>313302
Stalin save Europe tho but he save it in a v mean way

>>313429
More like "Peasant War? I-I didn't mean that to happen! SAVE ME FEUDALISM"

>>318151
Marx liked Napoleon. Napoleon is like Hitler. Therefore Marx did Hitler.

Do any Christians think Pilate was an alright guy?

>Jesus was the son of god and he died for our sins
It was actually Judas

>>319919
A good amount of Africans contributed to the slave trade by capturing their own people and selling them to whites.

>>319919
Well she's fucking wrong then.

The issue really is that the word 'slavery' is really insufficient to capture the diversity of experience it describes. Both blacks on Southern plantations and the nobility of the Ottoman court are described as 'slaves' and yet these are radically different things. Like when you get people trying to downplay the Atlantic slave trade by saying "Arabs did it too" - it's just not helpful.

>>310181
>>310190
>>311180
The Roman Empire ended with the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

>>319969
>Like when you get people trying to downplay the Atlantic slave trade by saying "Arabs did it too" - it's just not helpful.
I don't have much knowledge of the Arab Slave Trade, could you please explain why?

>>310104
I think the only people who believe this are white supremacists who see "Injuns" as animals

>>320055
Not him but, for whatever reason, arab slave trade didn't produce societies and states with economies centered mostly around collecting and selling slaves in Africa. The european one did.

>>319967
They weren't "their own people" though. They were criminals, or prisoners-of-war from neighboring states. At least, to my knowledge.

>>320071
>states with economies centered mostly around collecting and selling slaves in Africa
When you say that do you mean, Africans collecting and selling slaves or Europeans collecting and selling slaves?

>>311146
The trans-Saharan slave trade actually predates Islam

>>311006
Macedonians were Greek back then
Not to be confused with modern "Macedonians" (FYROMians) who are slavs

>>320092
>who are slavs
Not genetically though.

>>320092
The Greeks excluded Macedonians from the Olympic games because they considered them barbarian foreigners.

>>312071
But nobody believes this.

The end of the slave trade actually royally fucked the various African states, because European governments no longer had a vested interest in preserving their independence.

>>311006
>>312521
Let's list the famous figures who are being denied their actual nationality by butthurt fucks

>"Alexander wasn't Greek!"
>"William the Bastard wasn't French!"
>"Charles V wasn't Spanish!"
>"Napoleon wasn't French!"
>"Hitler wasn't German!"

>>320055
They're just different systems. The Arab slave trade pre-dated Islam and was a fact of 'pre-modern' Middle Eastern and East African society. The Atlantic Slave trade was as part of a commercial system which benefited from the instability of West Africa (more wars equals more slaves).

But also a not on the Arab slave thing - obviously we can tut and turn our noses at slavery in medieval Islamic society - however slaves were also not unheard of in medieval Europe. But again, I'd like to reiterate, the word 'slavery' is not enough to encapsulate how different the thing I'm talking about are and any historian who specialises in this subject will tell you the same.

>>320113
But surely that hints to the fact that nationality is a basically arbitrary idea anyway.

>>310252
>Or Somalis and Djiboutians. Or Somalis and North Kenyans. Or Somalis and Socatrans. Or Somalis and East Ethiopians.

Or Somalis and other Somalis. DAMN SOMALIS, THEY RUINED SOMALIA.

>>320113
To be fair, Napoleon was born like a year after Corsica became a part of France and was in a Corsican nationalist club when he was younger. He definitely thought of himself as French later on, though.

>>309746
>Stalin was evil while Trotsky was the good guy who Stalin killed for being so nice and good and wanting the Soviet Union to have freedom.

>>319839
Whoever made this image has zero knowledge of world history if they think the world was in perfect balance before white people.

In fact, they probably have no knowledge of Africa up until the age of imperialism.

>Pope JP 2 was a great pope
>Ed Gein was a cannibal serial killer, brutal and violent
>Chris Columbus wanted to prove the Earth was round
>Freud is the end all be all of psychology and everything he said was correct
>The Ramsey's were responsible for Jon Benet's death
>MLK was killed killed by James Earl Ray, despite far more evidence to the contrary, way more than JFK assassination
>The Lindbergh baby was killed by that german guy
>any instance where the US was attacked because of our "freedom"
>All of the letters written to the police by Jack the ripper, were actually by the killer
>Nixon was all bad and didn't end Vietnam
>Kennedy was all good and didn't fuck big time, and a truly progressive term, rather than LBJ

>>320362
>>All of the letters written to the police by Jack the ripper, were actually by the killer
Nobody thinks that.

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>ed edd and eddy have different legal names

>>309910
Jesus /his/ can we have one fucking thread that doesnt turn into talking about /pol/? I don't understand why every thread has to have someone mention /pol/.

>>320113
>Charles V wasn't Spanish
Literally German
>Napoleon wasn't French
Debatable, we have records that he spoke French in an awkward manner
>Hitler wasn't German
Yeah, he was Austrian, but identified as a German lad, don't know what's so hard to see about this?

>>320210
best part about that picture is the story of Avatar is essentially a fantasy version of Japanese imperialism

>>320423
fuck you, they weren't related you lupus infected retard

>>320855
>legal name
>surname
learn the difference between these two things
you retard

>>320362
>>Pope JP 2 was a great pope
he was

>>320871
>legal name
>doesn't include surname

do they have wifi on the short bus or did you sneak into the computer lab?

>>320900
Yeah with all that shuffling around pedophiles and not reporting them for decades.

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>>310424
That pic gave me cancer

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>The Crusades were unprovoked wars of aggression by evil Christians
>France only knows how to surrender
>America single handedly defeated Nazi Germany
>Medieval Europeans thought the Earth was flat

>>320819
Actually Charles V was from Burgundy, so he'd be French.

>>320965
>The Crusades were unprovoked wars of aggression by evil Christians
It's a bit reductive yeah, but basically correct.

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>>320987

>>320979
He was born in Flanders and spoke Flemish natively, so if anything he's Dutch.

>>320979
He was Belgian, born from a German-Swiss family.

>>310601
He kinda helped reduce the extreme poverty and that's it god damn it, he destroyed or set on course the destruction of everything else.
t. a Venezuelan.

>>309746
>Colonialism was bad
>The Nazis weren't the good guys
>Islam is not any worse than other religions

>>315848
>most the miracles, the parts of the gospels that mentioned his resurrection and parts that mentioned his divinity.
So the entire fucking point of the new testament?

>>319969
>>320071
Arab slavery was objectively worse than European slavery or the Atlantic slave trade

>>311516
wrong
we "needed" 5 Shermans because we never sent less than 5 in anywhere, we sent our tanks in platoons so we always had 5 Shermans available for a fight

>>320180
My 7th grade lit teacher taught us that when we read Animal Farm

>>310181
western roman empire government did
east lived on until 1453

>>310181
>>321166
Rome lived on till 2015; It's called Canada

>>320723

It's right up there on the sticky, we have to prove we aren't /pol/ by talking about ourselves in the third person.

>>310181
>>321179
Directed by M. Night Shamylan

>>319871

>"english" culture

>>309746
All the gold the spanish took from the Americas ended up in Spain
>gibe back gold

>>321179
you mean America

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>>320995
>Christians waited 211 years to attack the Muslims.
What a timely response to this growing geopolitical threat!

Protip: Google Alexios I Komnenos

>>310181
*tips Greek fedora*

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>>321190
>>321220
Your children will be speaking Canadian

>>316242
>or at least was in a constant struggle for his beliefs

Jefferson absolutely was constantly questioning everything from religious beliefs to slavery

>>316929
>slavery was exclusively white on non white

That one pisses me off constantly

1. The inquisition was evil.
2. The inquisition was good.
3. The church retarded change
4. Nothing happened in Arabia before Islam.
5. The Saxons exterminated the Britons.
6. Venice was a nice place.
7. Americans are called Indians because Columbus thought he was in India.
8. The Dutch aren't secretly running the show. Don't believe their lies.

>>321311
>7. Americans are called Indians because Columbus thought he was in India.

Go on....

>>315429
Are you serious? The historical and archeological record beg to differ. It may not have been as widespread, but it was practiced.

>>321311
>The Saxons exterminated the Britons.

That's not entirely false. The Britons living in England were assimilated into the Anglo-Saxon nation.

>Rome fell because..
>*insert something to do with your political beliefs*

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>The Atomic Bombings of Japan were completely unprovoked and it was just the evil Americans testing their evil weapons on innocent people.
>There was NO real reason to bomb Japan like that.

>>321632
no, they left.

>>321725
lel you actually believe the whole "atomic bombs saving millions of american lives" shit?

>>321755
No, I believe that the bombs stopped a joint Russian/American land invasion of Japan and stopped Japan from ending up like Korea.

>>321755
are you fucking retarded?
>invade japan
>millions die
>bomb japan
>less die
it's not rocket science
>inb4
>b-but we are only ASSUMING THAT WOULD HAPPEN
also this >>321763
>>321703
man people really need to understand that Rome falling was a grand mishmash of shit that negatively effected the empire in every which way and not any singular thing.

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The Library of Alexandria meme needs to end. It was burned several times and mostly contained non-scientific scrolls. Most sperglords who mention it don't know what country it was located in, but think it had something to do with the Christian dark ages hundreds of years later and thousands of miles away and that they would be "flying spaceships" if it had survived.

>>321880
>w-we did wrong to not be wronger!
it's still wrong, relative

>>322013
Lesser of two evils.

>>322013
Not that anon but you know what else was wrong? The rape of Nanking.

>>309768
under rated bait

>the Soviet Union beat Germany basically alone

Put it in writing fagit and I'll consider it

>Columbus discovered America

>the Roman Empire was the greatest Empire to exist on Earth

>Mongols nearly conquered Earth

>Italy and France did nothing in WW2

>>322040
Nice bait since all those things are true.

>>322059
Columbus wasn't the first person to step in the continent known as America.
He wasn't even the first foreinger to step on the Americas (vikings and the chinese did it first).
And they also knew America already existed before they got there "by accident". Several treaties regarding land share and claim were signed beforehand Columbus' expeditions. How would they have done that if they didn't have discovered America?

Britain and the US have always had much more influence, stability, military might relative to current age, better economy, more allies, everything, than Rome. Rome just had pretty armies and tactics and a lot of land. Internally it was pure shit. It never had a chance of conquering Earth because so many things inside it. Instability, rebellions, riots, Empire splitting up into each time more pieces, local power getting stronger, triuviratums, assasinations of senators and caesars, etc.

Mongols were nomadic peoples. They were bound to fail. They had no logistics, no settlements, no economy, no taxation, they just raided a town then expected to eat in the next day because of the food they'd get by raiding the next town. As soon as that chain of looting is broke in a single string, the whole empire falls a part. Also Genghis Khan did not have children as good as him, they were more selfish. Last but not least, Mongolians didn't have a single naval vessel that wouldn't sink and armored knights can kill horse archers.

>>321901
How are they measuring "scientific advancement"

>>322083
by how cool pop-culture says it is

>Kurds are Mesopotamian natives

>>321725
thanks for bringing this up, the atomic bombs really bother me too

>Hiroshima or Nagasaki weren't even the worst bombings of Japan during the war but get an undeserved amount of attention because of what it meant for post-war politics

>>309917

Jesus is debatable, but at the very least we know from an incomplete ancient rock that a "...tius Pilatus" was Prefect of Judaea in the early first century

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilate_Stone

>>311013
This. AFAIK he was born in Peja and had an Illyrian mother. Greeks have basically taken everything in the Balkans pre-Slavic invasions, and claimed it as their own.

>>311146
Go back to /pol/, victim complex retard.

>>310533
Yes they did. Not in its current form but they formalized the concepts of the derivative and antiderivative.

>>322083
How many techs each civ has earned, duh