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What went so horribly wrong?

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What went so horribly wrong?
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Mao
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nothing, in 4 years it will overtake united shittystan and west will colapse
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Japan invaded when KMT had the commies on the ropes.
China turns red and changes the entire East Asia dynamic.
US decides to contain/corner China which only makes them dig their heels in more.
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God damn sparrows.
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They don't look as aesthetic anymore because they lost Outer Mongolia and Outer Manchuria.
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China was a major source of innovation but relatively isolated. Culturally they were closer to India than Europe through Buddhism, but not materially.

Persia and Central Asia were engaged almost constantly in heated conflicts for centuries with both asia minor and India, while the only major exchanges with China were intermittently via the Mongols. This reflects the ease of logistics between these regions and also the spread of military innovation and other ideas brought by conquerors seeking to restore the economy, there was in effect a network stretching from India to the Mediterranean. The silk road and South East Asian sea trade were a source of new ideas but often goods were just relayed, it does not compare to regular high volume trade in low cost goods and movements of people. This network dwarfed China and involved a variety of different environments posing different challenges, a hive of innovation which already had in its possession all the innovations of the Tang and Song dynasties.

The next question is why China failed compared to Japan. In the 19th century the pace of technological change increased as well as associated capital costs, this meant that a war like the Taiping rebellion could set a country back considerably and make it an undesirable location. Japan by contrast was a densely populated island and easier to secure, the Bakumatsu involved far less destruction, expense and death. Japan's temperate environment and large cities like Edo led to rapid industrialization.

tl;dr Mongols and Japs
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>>3093136
Whatever you say, Ping Yi
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They lost Outer Manchuria and Outer Mongolia, and still need to reclaim Taiwan. Also push the decadent US back to Hawaii
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>>3093136
people have been saying China will take over the US "next year" for literally decades. It's not going to happen.
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>>3093389
Yeah, no shit they won't. Who the fuck wants to be world police over a bunch of ingrates?
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>>3093389
They've already taken over as the largest economy. In 3 years the gap will be more noticible.
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CHINA
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WILL
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GROW
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LARGER
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Its really fucking big and most of the interesting bits are all on the eastern coastal parts. Often times the outer territories are shaded red in video games or wikipedia maps but the Imperial control over these areas was nominal at best. Technology just didnt exist for most of history where they could have feasibly controlled more than this.
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>>3093138

It's hard to think of a nation that has done more for another nation than the US has for China.

The rapid development wouldn't have been possible without the US making it easy for companies to import from China or massive foreign investment in China.
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>>3093138
>>3095148
The US used to be interested in dominating China for their Pacific ambition, but seemed to not be able to challenge European influences there. They should have been more aggressive back then, so that stability in the Pacific could be achieved way earlier than in real history.

(Or maybe not. It could have been a disaster like Napoleonic France to continental Europe...)
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Short answer ? The fall of the Song dynasty.
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>>3093389
but china did. Those people were taking about gdp ppp, which china overtook the usa in 2015.
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>>3093100
Tiny Chink dick mean that chinaman very worried about size of peepee not making girl feel good.

Chink try to act tough to compensate for small peepee. Not work gud, chinaman not tough. Instead, act like jew to each other. But jews not jew each other, because jew smart. So China society shit.
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>>3095470
>Le Asians have small dick meme
>MUH DICK
I see whites are still jealous of the superior Asian male
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>>3095630
>not recognizing a butblasted broken english jap
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>>3093100
Things are actually going pretty well. China has made amazing progress over the past few decades and should surpass the US as the world's largest economy in about 10 years unless something goes horribly wrong. From there it's only a matter of time before they translate that into military power, and then we'll have a bipolar world order again.

>>3093472
>They've already taken over as the largest economy.

No they haven't. You're looking at the PPP measurements, I assume?
Purchasing Power Parity doesn't measure the size of the economy, it's a useful tool for measuring living standards and buying power of individual citizens but is irrelevant in terms of comparing different national economies by size due to differences in currency and its reliance on a select set of prices of consumer goods. If you're comparing national economies you need to use nominal, and by that standard the United States ($18 trillion) still dwarfs China ($11 trillion).
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>>3093389
People have also been saying China will collapse "next year" for literally decades. All the talk about any major power collapsing suddenly and instantaneously is just bullshit hyperbole.
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>>3093100
They have been going downhill since the Qing dynasty.
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In my opinion, size. China is so fucking big and full of people that it's own domestic economy is basically all it needs, it can afford not to care about the outside world.

As a result, when the Bongs came calling in the 1700s and 1800s, the Chinese didn't recognise that these barbarians might actually constitute a huge fucking threat to their way of life, they just told the stupid 老外 that they don't understand China and they should fuck off, same as now.

As a result, when the Brits realised their trade deficit was going to fuck their economy, they rebalanced it, first with opium, then by wrecking the place until the Qing gave in.

If the Chinese had paid some attention to the outside world, and realised how much further ahead Europe were (or rather, if they had done something about it), they'd have been able to use their ability to scale to their advantage, and built a navy that could take a giant shit on the Royal Navy.

They then blamed everyone but themselves for the mess they were in, and after the war they sperged out and the commies beat the inept, US backed KMT, and proceeded to burn down all the nice things in China (Chinese NEVER do things individually, only in groups. Its a huge strength when they have good leadership, like now, but it also makes shit like the Cultural Revolution spread like wildfire, with no one thinking for themselves)

Tldr, they blame le big ebil foreigner for all their woes, but it would never have happened if they just paid some attention to the outside world
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>>3093100
>What went so horribly wrong?
Yuan Shikai
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>>3093100
Map is missing Mongolia, which is claimed by Taiwan, and the South China Sea, claimed by both Chinas.
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>>3098909
This. Motherfucker fucked Republican China to shit
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>>3093100
They've been struggling to recover ever since Bruce Lee's relative Chin massacred 1.2 billion commies back in 1997.
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>>3093138
the communists were not on the ropes when the japanese invaded
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>>3098885
The Ming were happy to trade with Europeans, the Qing shut it all down for decades and then restricted it to Canton.
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>>3099473
Can't expect horseniggers to understand trade.
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>>3099725
#notallhorseniggers
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>>3093389
It's already happened in GDP and supercomputers numbers. But I always like people such as you, you can give China more advantages and times to develop.
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>>3098876
I'd say since the ming suddenly became isolationists, which slowed technological development.
Same goes for the qing dynasty.
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>>3102984
>since the ming suddenly became isolationists
What happened? Was it court eunuchs again?
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>>3095630
t. Ching Chong
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>>3103015
t. Dying white race
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>>3103018
t. /r/asianmasculinity
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>>3103682
Don't you have to prep the bull or something cuck?
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>>3093389
????
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arr rook same

>>3101590
go live there
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>>3099370
>the communists were not on the ropes when the japanese invaded
What?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi%27an_Incident

https://www.britannica.com/event/Xian-Incident
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>>3095214
Too soon nigga, too soon

>tfw you will never live a comfy life in Kaifeng at the height of the Northern Song
>tfw no early Industrial Revolution spurred on by Song technological advancements

Steppeniggers ruin everything
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>>3098392
>Unless something happens in those 10 years
Isn't there a concern for China's economy forming a bubble and bursting for the last few years? And the growing concern of the CCP becoming more oppressive as quality of life increases and people wanting more rights?
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>>3098885
It must be easy as fuck to do well in China if you have leadership skills and an independent will.
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>>3095109
IS WHOLE AGAIN
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>>3105655
>Isn't there a concern for China's economy forming a bubble and bursting for the last few years?
It's just a meme repeated by insecure westerners. Economies don't burst they just slow down, every supposed economic burst in history has been completely overblown before and after, even the great depression was only a small set back for the USA in historiographical terms.
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>>3105655
>And the growing concern of the CCP becoming more oppressive as quality of life increases and people wanting more rights?
People want less rights as quality of life increases, and more when its worse, if people are living good lives then they only complain about inane shit like muh 5000 genders.
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>>3105780
China lost its culture to the revolution.
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