Ancient Egypt

>>3091095
Well yes of course, ethio-somali mixed with Levantine populations who themselves at around the time of the Neolithic Subpluvial had some African mixture themselves.

Still simple Admixture models and archaic categorizations of African populations subsumes this reality.

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>>3091095

Not one bit

>>3091199
That's an old model using new data. The fact remains the study uses Yoruba and Mandenka as the sole representatives of African biodiversity and that is going to erase ethio-somali and Nilo-Saharan input.

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>>3091213

You retarded or something? Nothing to do with Yoruba.
Ancient Egyptians formed a tight genetic cluster with Near Easterners with no deviation towards the Ethiopians or any other SSA pop.

>>3091218
The study only uses Yoruba (the red) that is not the basis of African biodiversity giving a false African input.

That's also only three of the samples

>>3091218
The sample base used for that study were not indigenous Egyptians.

>>3091218
How did they sample ancient Egyptian DNA there?

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>>3091095
It's debatable whether or not they constituted a truly distinct and seperate people. The Egyptian dynamic is somewhat comparable to Italy in that there are differences between northerners and southerners, but they are all ultimately Italian.

>>3091228

This ingenious observation doesn't change the results. Ancient Egyptians were Near Eastern people genetically. It's actually a little bit surprising that only 1% had the Paleo-African maternal lines which 60% of Ethiopians carry.


>>3091233

They were more Egyptian than any Nubian slave ever was.

>>3091252

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694

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>>3091095
When talking about ancient Egypt, it must be understood that it is more expansive than it's British assigned modern borders, and in the ancient context extends well into Sudan and arguably further.

>>3091269
Not really, the histories of Upper and Lower Egypt diverge drastically and early, the drying of the Sahara really took a toll on the region

>>3091218
If you read the study you'd know that all those sampled were from Faiyum, in Lower Egypt. Obviously Ethiopids would be found in Upper Egypt if they were to be found at all.

>>3091095
Ancient Egyptian culture has its roots in upper Egypt/lush via the nabta playa archeological site.

By the 6th millennium BC, evidence of a prehistoric religion or cult appears, with a number of sacrificed cattle buried in stone-roofed chambers lined with clay.[2] It has been suggested that the associated cattle cult indicated in Nabta Playa marks an early evolution of Ancient Egypt's Hathor cult. For example, Hathor was worshipped as a nighttime protector in desert regions (see Serabit el-Khadim). To directly quote professors Wendorf and Schild:[2]

Also Greek historians said Egyptians were Ethiopian colonists. The Egyptians themselves also said their roots were in the south.

>>3091290

IMO they would have been ethnically similar.
A lot more research is necessary though I don't deny that.
I think Ethiopians can be forgotten though. They are just way too SSA.

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>>3091328
>SSA
>Doesn't realize how young the Sahara desert is.

Notice how half of these "Nubians" are the same color as the Egyptian.

Possibly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medjay

>>3091289
There has never been a wall between upper and lower Egypt, so given that there was no natural boundaries they would have blended seamlessly.

>>3091328
Beja people are an Ethiopid people that are native to Egypt, for example. Very possible they played some part in ancient times.

>>3091339

2/3 of Ethiopians have Aethio-Congoloid maternal lines.
99% of Ancient Egyptians had M/N derived maternal lines.
It seems insane to think that such a heavily Aethio-Congoloid people could have lived so close a purely Near Eastern one and even shared the same culture.

>>3091358

Most likely they are
1. not genetically analogous to heavily SSA Ethiopians despite superficial similarities
2. mixed with SSA people in the last 2000 years
3. not even native to their region

>>3091354
Distance my man, distance in the 1,000s of miles

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>>3091360
The only thing that is insane is that people are taking those ancient samples from immigrants to Egypt all from one site as legit science and proof about all Egyptians. How come older mummies aren't used for the DNA basis? There is a ton of problems with the "study" that some people want to cite. It essentially confirmation bias trying to masquerade as science, and it is want some people want to believe so they are not looking at it objectively.

>>3091384
And development all along that distance. Lower and upper Egypt aren't single points.

>>3091408

Don't worry the Kangz will be tested eventually.
You'll be disappointed though.

>>3091343
SHILL

medjay were a small tribe that used to raid the civilisation that was already there long beffore they lived in it

go suck ubisofts cock you armchair historian

>>3091384
The two halves of Egypt border each other.

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>>3091343
SHILL !

Medjay were a small tribe that used to raid the civilisation that was already there long before they lived in it

go suck ubisofts cock you armchair historian

>>3091442
>>3091451
Not him but excellent argumentation technique you absolute sperg

>>3091423
There were, sure, but given the time it took to travel the river over time disparate cultures rose over time and there's a reason the main empires rose in lower egypt.

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>>3091426
I don't personally care, but it is crazy that given all the archeological evidence linking ancient Egypt with other Nile cultures, an odd agenda is still vehemently pushed.

>>3091470

Did you consider that your entire perspective on the subject is completely distorted by your racial bias?
There's no odd agenda, nobody's trying to take away Ancient Egypt from Black people as it was never theirs to begin with. Afrocentrists have always been a joke.

>>3091467
HAHAAH argument technique?

does change the fact I am right?

no?

Then fuck off

>>3091469
>>3091469
All evidence points to Egypt developing from south to north on a continume following the flow of the Nile. Human migration patterns alone would dictate that.

>>3091521

The migration pattern was from Near East to North Africa.

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>>3091488
I never even mentioned race. I'm in no way an Afrocentric, but the way that Egyptians portrayed themselves looks clearly like upper Egyptians and Ethiopic. That is just an objective observation that one must be blind not to see.

That coupled with the archeological and written records stating that Egyptians were Ethiopian colonists do not coincide with this new "study" that is being paraded around as the end all be all for some odd reason.

I think it is you they may need to examine your racial bias.

>>3091526
That implies humans skipped Egypt left it uninhabited, then double backed.

>>3091553

Well Ethiopians have predominant Caucasoid influence but genetically they are still highly Paleo-African. I think you're imagining things though when you say they depicted themselves as Ethiopian looking.

>>3091587
This is false refer to here
>>3091213

>>3091326
Where do the Egyptians "say" they're from the south?.Youve ducked this question in the past 10 threads youve made.You Down syndromed sperg

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>>3091587
>I think you're imagining things though when you say they depicted themselves as Ethiopian looking.
I wouldn't say "Ethiopian-looking" (which Ethiopians are we talking about?) but a lot of modern ethnic groups in Sudan and neighboring countries sure look awfully similar to Egyptian kangz as they were depicted.

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>>3091470
>wow a sculpt with blue eyes from 5000 bc
>they must have been swedes
I get it you're """trolling""" but you're just humiliating yourself now

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>>3091470
t.severe autism

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>>3091095
Well, there was a Kushite Dynasty.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Dynasty_of_Egypt
>The 25th dynasty was a line of rulers originating in the Nubian Kingdom of Kush – in present-day northern Sudan and southern Egypt – and most saw Napata as their spiritual homeland. They reigned in part or all of Ancient Egypt from 760–656 BC.[1] The dynasty began with Kashta's invasion of Upper Egypt and culminated in several years of both successful and unsuccessful war with the Mesopotamian based Assyrian Empire. The 25th Dynasty's reunification of Lower Egypt, Upper Egypt, and also Kush (Nubia) created the largest Egyptian empire since the New Kingdom. They assimilated into society by reaffirming Ancient Egyptian religious traditions, temples, and artistic forms, while introducing some unique aspects of Kushite culture.[2] It was during the 25th dynasty that the Nile valley saw the first widespread construction of pyramids (many in modern Sudan) since the Middle Kingdom.

So yeah, they wuz. And only them among the black Africans.

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>>3092109
Pretty much the only thing notable about them is taking Egyptian Culture to asll of Nubia, and beating the shit out of Assyrian invasion attempts.

>>3091526
>human derive from Africa"""
>melanin""
>muh white devils"

>>3092121
Meant for
>>3091553

>implying half of Subsaharan Africa doesn't consider the other half blacker than they are while also laughing at the disgusting pink/pale-faces to the North

>>3091470
those are assyrians, they were always painted as verry white, now look up paintings with black people and you'll see the differance

>>3092053

Yoruba have nothing to do with the genetic reality you can see here>>3091199

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>>3092135
>those are assyrians, they were always painted as verry white
gee I wonder why those olive-skinned/light brown semitic people were consistently portrayed much whiter than Egyptians, it's almost like there were different skin shades

>>3092196
You're legally retarded

>>3092398
Oh shit, I must concede

>>3092073
In the Rosetta Stone translation they say they came from the Ethiopian highlands

>>3091095
yeah

not racially but definitely culturally. It was Egyptian expansion that led them from tribalism towards kingdom, and they learned engineering from Egyptians.

They weren't ancient egyptians proper, but they were basically sister cultures for a while.

>>3091095
I swear, Ethiopians are their own thing.

>>3093529
The expansion happened from south to north according to all ancient documentation. Although there were invasions from the north. Egyptians themselves have their roots in upper Egypt(Nubia) Sudan and Ethiopia this is very well documented.

>>3093561
proofs

gut tells me you are confusing OP's cushites with just egyptians form the sother part of the empire.

>>3093522
Irrelevant,Rosetta stone was 196 bc
You're retarded

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>>3093572
Greek historians Herodotus and diodorus claimed that ancient Egyptians were Ethiopian colonists. Then you have the Egyptians themselves saying they were from he Ethiopian highlands via the Rosetta Stone translation. Then you have nabta playa. Then you have the elephant in the room of how they depicted themselves. There is literally a mountain of evidence.

There is no physical barrier to seperate Egyptians racially. They were likely racially diverse and on a spectrum, but Nubians were not a completely seperate and distinct people from them anymore than Sicilians are seperate and distinct from Italians.

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>>3091199
>>3091218
>>3091262
>>3091289
>>3091360
>>3091426
>>3093572
>>3093589

I'm tired of beating this dead horse.

Why is this such a problem and a big deal? Because of something called Denialism. Denialism is when someone sees a irrefutable truth, but it makes them uncomfortable/hurts them/brings them pain, so they openly deny it. This is the equivalent of looking at a frog and screaming it’s a horse. Because frogs upset you.
Egyptians being categorically "black" or not IndoEuropean in any way is a taboo. It’s a personal issue, and a outrage that many people, whether right or wrong, have not dealt with. It’s like saying “Did Jesus drink alcohol?” If there was a Jesus, and we approach this completely neutral and with scientific thinking, we use probability and possibility. The simple answer is, he most likely did. But if you ask this, you will find a seething wave of people screaming he did not, or that he never existed. Because Jesus drinking alcohol, or any chance he existed, is a uncomfortable truth that brings them pain, and so instead of seeking a neutral, fair and legitimate answer, they will scream and argue otherwise, to make themselves comfortable.

>>3093609

The (un)comfortable truth here is that the Black Egypt hypothesis is motivated by racial hatred towards non-Sub Saharan people.

>>3094133
The artwork, documentation, and archeology says otherwise. The fact that misleading or outright unscientific DNA studies are trotted out to try to whitewash ancient Egyptians corroborates this.

Cushitic =/= "Ethiopian"

There are like 80+ ethnic groups in Ethiopia anon.

>>3094178

>genetics isn't real muh feels are

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>>3092117
>>3092109
This. But there are also some Pharaohs with strong African features.

>>3094201
>statue's features suffer from erosion
>THIS MEANS WE WUZ KANGZ AND SHIT
Why are negroids so retarded?

>>3094195
It's not that genetics are not real, but the "studies" that are being used to form the basis of ancient Egyptians are laughably flawed. In one of them sub-Saharan is defined as the absence of a certain trait, which would essentially render black Americans also not Subsaharan. In another one all the samples come from a single site in lower Egypt.

>>3094195
>genetics are really even if the "studies" are some cherry picked posts on stormfront
Post a peer reviewed study claiming Egyps were white. Just one.

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>>3094207
>the nose is the result of erosion
>erosion
>in Egypt
>in secluded tombs

>>3094207
There are countless statues with "black" features, some are even colored, and are the same color as upper Egyptians.

>>3094211

They weren't white. They were genetically Near Eastern.

>>3094225
>genetically Near Eastern
What does that even mean? Also post some fucking proof for a reliable source already.

>>3094225
Egyptians were not near eastern they were Nilo/East African. Near easterners were near eastern, they weren't Egyptian.

>>3094228

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694

>Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History

It would be hard to imagine a more reliable source.

>>3094229
Although there was a northern component to ancient Egypt from very early on due to invasive forces.

>>3094232
This is the "study" where all the samples come from a single new kingdom lower Egypt gravesite.

>>3094211
Nobody says Egyptians were white you fucking retard.

>>3094207
>Civilization history spam thousand of years
>country was at the crossroad of multiple other civilization
>hurr it's impossible that one pharaoh once took a nubian pricess as one of his concubine and got a son with sub-saharian african feature
I imagine in 3000 years, if humanity still exist people would shitpost the same way about the USA, with people posting photo of Obama and other people shitposting about "we wuz freedom and shit"

>>3094237

Over a span of 1300 years with not a single individual having meaningful SSA admixture. It's fairly close to the center of the country. Shedet/Crocodilopolis was a very imporant place for Ancient Egyptians.

>>3094246
The issue is with the Nilo origins of ancient Egyptian culture and people being intentionally shifted northward and attributed to a completely different "whiter" people.

>>3094232
>after 1500 BC
This is not the time we are talking about, are we? The pyramids were constructed 1000 years earlier. Also the connection with Europeans/Near Easterners point to a relationship in neolithic times; not a relation in 1500 BC or today. So yeah, good stuff but the study doesn't say what you think it says

>>3094246
And yet, some retard responded with a study. Funny, innit?

>>3094251
Subsaharan is a flawed modern concept. The Sahara did not exist in its modern incarnation at that time. Also they define Subsaharan as the absence of a trait, which would essentially render black Americans also not Subsaharan per the "study". And lastly ethnically exclusive gravesite shave never been uncommon. Also they would still be categorically black via the one drop rule, he US sets the race policy the rest of the world follows. Then when the artwork, archeology, cultural continuity, and modern Egyptian genetics are taken into consideration there are simply far too many discrepancies to be ignored.

>>3094274
>he US sets the race policy the rest of the world follows
The rest of the world mostly don't care.

>>3094274
>Also they would still be categorically black via the one drop rule, he US sets the race policy the rest of the world follows.
American Education at it's best.

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>>3094274
it's almost like you are saying that Blackness is a contemporary and historically contingent concept. Be careful you gonna trigger a lot of wiki-warriors.

>>3094279
Yes they do. Blacks the world over get called "African-Americans".

>>3093600
Is this legit? I'd be interested

>>3094293
Yes it is all legit.

>>3094279
No one but some stupid black twitter activists cares about the Black Egypt thing. This is also the reason there are no proper studies or papers on it. Alt-right faggots though, they look at the most extreme fringes of a "movement" and claim this is the mainstream. In this case they even go so far as saying that academia teaches "we wuz". It's literally the opposite of high level discourse. I mean this thread is shite for example but it's fun and enlightening when we talk about about studies, gravesides, definitions etc. At least this is fun to me. When people post racist cartoons, /pol/-macros and arbitrary wiki-quotes it's shit posting par excellence. Pol/fags/ don't know the difference between those two tho.

>>3094289
Except that's wrong.

>>3094293
It is.

>>3094312
It's wrong but true.

>>3091553
>Ethiopian colonists
Surely you know that Ethiopian didn't mean modern day Ethiopian at this time. I'm that Ethiopian posted who is tired of seeing your ethiocentric shit dude. Stop trying to shoehorn us into Egypt. At best, we are relatives. The way you did that sleight of hand with the word "Ethiopian" just now proves you are less than objective.

>>3094262

To be fair, these results do actually suggest that there was recent gene flow from the Near East by the Pre-Ptolemaic period.
However this isn't proof or even suggestive that 1000 years earlier the people were anything like East Africans which is an incredibly dumb belief to have.
Ethiopians and Somalis are largely a mixture of Middle Eastern men and local Paleo-African women.
These Paleo-African types didn't extend all the way to the Mediterranean or anywhere near it.

>>3094312
It really isn't. Even blacks in Africa emulate African American culture and call each other nigger. Call it cultural imperialism or not ( i wouldn't) but American culture radiates on every nation on this planet except North Korea. This is pretty much the only thing you guys still produce and export.

Also in academia the discourse is dominated by Anglo notions of race.

>>3094321
>these results do actually suggest that there was recent gene flow from the Near East by the Pre-Ptolemaic period.
Yeah, that's why the study is interesting and I learnt something.

>>3094319
How does that change anything? Ethiopia is still somewhere south of Egypt, on south-east. But I can't see why this has any bearing except if you mean that modern Ethiopians have nothing to with it.

>>3094333
>on south-east
Meant "not" south-east.

>>3094319
By Ethiopian I mean Nile based East African. I'm using the word the same way ancient people used it. I don't care about Ethiopians, but what I'm seeing is a flagrant and intentional historical misappropriation. Sudanese and upper Egyptians are the closest living relatives to ancient Egyptians, when all the evidence is appropriately taken into consideration, but for some reason people are trying to say they were essentially turks instead of actual Egyptians.

>>3094321
What would have stopped human migration from following the flow of the Nile? Is there a wall?

>>3094357

Probably something to do with the low population densities involved.

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>>3094207
damn look how highly eroded this statue is, the water did a real number on the lips and nostrils

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>>3094410
just to insist it's not just the angle

>>3094410

Many northern Europeans have wide noses

>>3091095
That's a pretty attractive nigger. Looks almost white in terms of features.

>>3094416
Yeah, in Paris maybe.

>>3094416
>many northern europeans have flat, stubby noses with flared nostrils accompanied by large lips etc
Well I guess that's what you get for fucking your plantation slaves or their mixed descendants.

>>3094432

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Löfven

Also, Chinese people are also known to have wide noses.

>>3094416
Ancient egyptians were literally aryans blonde germanics with blue eyes. We were kings.

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>>3094445
>1 dude is many
Ok, good you won that argument. Now show me one with those lips and a wide nose.

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>ITT: /pol/tards btfo once again
This becoming a daily occurrence

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>>3094445
That may be wide but it sure isn't flat.

>Chinese people are also known to have wide noses.
Yeah. Then again, half of Africa always had distinctly "Oriental" facial features.

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>>3094471
WE

>>3094480

Memes like this will surely prove Egypt was Congolese

>>3094491
Nobody's implying it was.

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WE WUZ ROMANS N SHIEET

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WE WUZ CARTHAGINIANS N SHIEET

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>Shakka-Ahmose is at it again
Can you just fuck off? I'm sick of your "dis art means dey was black" shit every fucking day

>>3094540
>implying that's not a mixed Abo

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>>3094575
>Implying we let them be lifesavers in the 1930s

>>3094540
Surely there were plenty of "blacks" in ancient egypt. That black americans have no ancestry to them is another thing.

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>>3094583
Ah well, since we have no pictures showing that Australians were white I guess we must conclude they were ancient Egyptians.

>>3094603
Yes, but nobody's talking about Americans, why are they always dragged into these discussions?

>>3094274
It's this same fucking faggot:
>one drop rule (pretty much everyone would be black by that retarded logic)
>muh upper Egypt
>THEY WERE GREEKS REEEEEEE
Pretty pathetic desu

>>3094612
Because they are the ones that constantly claim Egyptians were black?

>>3094626
They would fall on the black spectrum, only a fringe element implies they are related to black Americans though.

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>>3094228
>What does that even mean?
It means the overwhelming majority of the population (the native population) of Egypt looked like Arabs: in other words, modern Egyptians (with less African admixture, as studies keep proving).
There's a reason everyone mocks wewuzism.

>>3094632

Do the lightest of Copts fall on this spectrum?

>>3094638
Near Easterns also makes up the vast majority of Europe. Indigenous Europeans are pretty much non-existent except for a few pockets here and there.

>>3094610
That's a sample taken from lower Australia and so I choose to ignore it

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>>3094632
>They would fall on the black spectrum
>these people are black according to wewuzzers
For fucks sake, stop trying to appropriate other people's history.

>>3094639
They're not indigenous Egyptians.

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>>3094652
Some of them would be considered "black" (one drop rule). They are heavily mixed and only partially Egyptian. Pic related is more closely related to ancient populations.

>>3094643
The people living in the near east today have a different genetic makeup than the near eastern farmers that migrated to Europe.

>>3094653

Nobody is more indigenous to Egypt than them.

>>3094652
>implying they izznt
they're as black as Haile Selassie really, especially that portrait they're carrying in the back.

Also
>a fucking European Jesus on the crucifix
It's kinda sad being this cucked by global culture.

>>3094667
>being this anthropologically retarded.

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>>3094652
>>3094669
Incidentally, note how the Copts represented their native clergy (left) and the Levantine Mary and Jesus (right)
basically nothing has changed from Egyptian times.

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>>3094702
>>3094702
Forgot pic
Native clergy at the bottom, the foreign Saint Peter above.

>>3094693

You can't prove anything. You only have your strong feelings about the subject, nothing else.

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>>3094702
Looks like a light skinned "black" guy. I thought we were talking about ancient Egypt. The completely different culture, no beards, braids, etc.

>>3094709

Bishop Petros was from Nubia.

>>3094730
Aka upper Egypt

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>>3094720
Well by Christian times Egypt was much more mixed and all. Here's a lighter monk who might have been Lower Egyptian or foreign.

>>3094730
Faras was perfectly Egyptian and a stone's throw away from Abu Simbel, which is where all those blacker-looking sculptures that Afrocentrists love to showcase tend to come from.

>>3094254
>muh international "white" conspiracy
Go protest somewhere else youre so obviously retarded idc if your baiting

>>3094307
What that one drop faggot doesn't understand is the results aren't conclusive they are still studying it once they find out the Egyptians were actually gypsies or some shit no one in the world will care.Good riddance people are to retarded for history let alone genome science

>>3096443
It's not a conspiracy. It is an outward manifestation of subconscious jealous hatred.

>>3094324
Go back to twitter you're retarded

>>3094612
Because he's legitimately a leftie you can tell by the dumbass snark with posts like this
>>3096502
He still hasent proven the Egyptians ever said they came from the south "upward" as that dipshit says besides
"Muh heredotus"
"Muhg American autism

>>3094610
>b-but you didn't use upper Australian samples""
>""huurrrrrrrr"

>>3094652
>but m-muh oneo drovp"" :xD

>>3096557
The Egyptians said it on the Rosetta Stone.

>>3096502
Go back to twitter retard you're not funny

>>3096580
>180 bc
Nope try again oh what they didn't say anything about coming from anywhere.Thats what I thought

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>>3096601
Quote from 1867 by Egyptologist Champollion-Figeac – “The first tribes that inhabited Egypt that is, the Nile Valley between the Syene cataracts and the sea, came from Abyssinia to Sennar. The ancient Egyptians belonged to a race quite similar to the Kennous or Barabras, present inhabitants of Nubia. In the Copts of Egypt we do not find any of the characteristic features of the ancient Egyptian population. The Copts are the result of crossbreeding with all the nations that have successively dominated Egypt . It is wrong to seek in them the principal features of the old race.” From Letters published by Champollion-Figeac (Founding Egyptologist).

Pic related is an Abyssinian(Ethiopian).

>>3096744
>1850
>recent research
Do the math I know you can do that much little one.That girl passes for Mexican in America (white)

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>>3093600
It's clear north egyptians are whiter because they are closer geographically to other meds and mesos, but jumping straight from med-tan to black is exaggerated.

I think you are putting the more brownish south egyptians / Kushites / Nubians in the same bag as the black skinned ethiopian / sudanese cushite peoples.

The origins of Egyptians you refer to would, at best, exist between the historic kush kingdom and the persian border depicted here (remember, egypt was bigger like in >>3091269 )

Using "ethiopian" as origin is not acurrate because modern ethiopians were only tangentially related to nubians / kush, and in fact had their own kingdoms known for sea trade.

>There is no physical barrier to seperate Egyptians racially.

there isn't a natural barrier to separate continental europeans racially either, yet you can clearly distinguish italians from frenchs, inberians, germans and slavs.

also

>believing Herodotus

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>>3096810
And you trust americans to know abour race?

>>3096810
No she wouldn't, maybe Afro-Mexican, her hair is too nappy. Lightskinned black people are very common in America.

The guy I cited was the one who deciphered the Rosetta Stone. How likely is it that him, the Rosetta Stone, and Ancient Greek historians say the exact same thing?

>>3096859
The alps is a boundary, and all those different euro ethnic groups are still considered the same race, except for maybe those in the far south/Mediterranean.

And, by "black" I don't mean people that are literally black, blackness exists on a spectrum, and upper Egyptians fall well within that spectrum.

>>3096935
>Rosetta Stone
It's 180 BC you're retarded

>>3097169
Why does the date matter? If the US wrote that it was founded by Europeans, writing it in 2017 wouldn't make it any less true than if it was written in 1776. The Rosetta Stone appears to be the final testimony of a fading culture, that knew it was on my its way out, and wanted to make an extensive, final "for the record" about who they were.

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Oh boy, here we go.

Depends in what are you calling black, that's the big ass-pull from /pol/ arguments, after all.

As in black race (Sub-Saharan), not really. As in black skin, absolutely.

It's important to note, however, that the "sub-saharam" separation is one old concept, with many shades of grey discovered along the centuries, making it incredible dated to consider as factual. Basically, people used to believe that at some far extreme part of Africa, another complete different species of monkeys evolved separated from the rest of the world, those being the negroid. A less evolved homo-sapiens, so to speak. Science moved on, the world changed it's concepts and now those things are all debunked.

Hence why every time some show/celebrity/game/movie makes mention of how Egypt (and other ancient civilizations) were actually build by black people, stormfags gets triggered by it, recurring again for the old fashioned sub-Saharan fallacy.

>>3097251
It was already bastardized and mixed by invaders by then you know the argument you keep using for """Greek mummies"""retard plus the Kushite empire took over and ruled from 700 bc onwards now fuck off blackie

>>3097271
Kushites were Egyptians, the separation is arbitrary and artificial. It would be like saying the Texans took over America when bush was president.

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Sure.
But even giving that one (Egypt) for /pol/ apologists, Africa still having a shitload of other empires and dynasties on History

Zulu, Nok, Oyo, Nri, to only mention a few

Not even the biggest of /pol/ stretches on sub-alter-not-very-black-race excuses can deny it, it's undeniable Africa had countless kings.

>>3097315
*countless kangz

>>3097313
They weren't though
Science proves they weren't you're just extremely bitter they were not white nor black.Just med

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>>3097328

Sure, whatever

Wanna see /pol/ getting REALLY triggered as fuck?

Show them the accounts of Herodotus on "Aethiopia", the so called sub-Saharan races

>“Where the south declines towards the setting sun lies the country called Aethiopia, the last inhabited land in that direction. There gold is obtained in great plenty, huge elephants abound, with wild trees of all sorts, and ebony; and the men are taller, handsomer, and longer lived than anywhere else.”

>>3096968
>and all those different euro ethnic groups are still considered the same race

You just demonstrated you don't know much about race.

>>3097394
Science doesn't prove that. We've been over this.

>>3097414
>as my 1509 book source says

Long story short, there is no such thing as different races, in the sense that we all evolved from the same species, not in separated evolving ones. What we call nowadays "race" is nothing but different ethnic aspects from the same species; Homo Sapiens Sapiens. Those separations are more centered on culture and region than anything else.

>>3097409

Ethiopians were more advanced than the rest of SSA. Why are you obsessed with /pol/ anyway?

>>3097459
It does prove it.Stop stealing

>>3097462
Do different races of dogs exist?

>>3094178
Literally no, The artwork and Archaeology disprove the black hypothesis.

How can you call the DNA studies "unscientific" They literally use science to disprove the unproven we wuz kang theory.

>>3094211
Post one that proves they were black. The scientific stupid PROVE they weren't black.

>>3097982
They do, my fallacious friend. Species, races, phylum and families are all different things

But if you want to go with this shitty metaphor, human race is nothing but Mutt dogs resulted from the union of Homo Sapiens + Neanderthal, with all sorts of mutations based on local necessities and customs. That's why what we call race (genetic pool) have more to do about ethnicity (cultural families that share common traits)

If you want to go full triggered I should say by now that, by definition, racial categorization is a social construct

>>3094274
One drop rules doesn't mean anything. Can't believe you are using that as some kind of "proof". The Sahara did exist and was still a great barrier to the south.

>>3094274
>en when the artwork, archeology, cultural continuity, and modern Egyptian genetics

All of that disproves your nonsense. The Art shows there was a very big difference between how the Egyptians saw themselves and how they saw negros.

>>3094307
Bullshit, the we wuz movement is a growing national Identity to american niggers. The so called "alt-right" does nothing but mock them and post studies to trigger.

>>3094410
>>3094415
Is that supposed to be a negro?

>>3094471
lol how are "pol-tards" getting btfo? Its a daily thing where some afrocentric comes in and a big dump of info proves him wrong.

>>3094494
This thread gets posted everyday to try and prove the egyptians were black and now we have some guy screaming about a 1 drop rule.

>>3094632
No they wouldn't. They are MENA and would fill out white in the us census form.

>>3094661
Those aren't average Egyptians.

>>3094732
Aka not original egypt but a conquered part.

>>3094254
No they aren't, the Afrocentrics like you are doing the opposite.

>>3096744
That girl is not what an ancient Egyptian looked like. Maybe a slave from the south.

>>3096968
They are as black as typical arab. IE not black.

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>scientific studies shows that Homo Sapiens came from Africa
>WE WUZ
>archaeology studies shows that racial mixture was not all that unlikely in the past
>WE WUZ
>Hundreds of historical accounts and evidences shows influence and rise of black empires
>WE WUZ
>the whole "black = sub saharan" bullshit got debunked thousands of times, and counting
>WE WUZ
>the odds of black people being part of ancient Egypt and Rome, not just as slaves, is really high, studies says
>WE WUZ

What's the point of this kind of debate? It's damage control being shouted again and again.
But remember black people are the ignorant ones, they can not even spell KUNGS properly!

>>3097261
People get triggered because they are dead wrong about "black" people building it.

>>3097313
No they weren't.

>>3097315
None of which had any lasting qualities. Nobody knows about them because they produced nothing of historical significance.

>>3097459
Science does prove this or at the very least disproves that they were kushites.

>>3098117
It's supposed to be an egyptian.

>>3098173
We've been over it a hundred times and you still spew the same nonsense without sources or proof.

btw lol @ the sub-Saharan "myth" being debunked.

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>>3098183
>Nobody knows about them because they produced nothing of historical significance
>proceeds to talk about their relevance
>REEEEEEEEE IT'S A LIE, Mein Fuhrer said so

also
>Positivist views on culture/relevance
>2018

>>3098203
How do we wuzzers imply thats a negro?

>>3098213
"great empires" literally nobody other than people who go and look for their existence in history papers knows about them. They literally are historically insignificant in their lasting legacy.

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>>3098210
Because every time a proof appears you guys despise it as LE EVIL PROPAGANDA, cherry picking what is "relevant" or not. It is really a lost cause

Keep mad that "negroid" is not a thing for a long time by now, neither your aryan race crackpot.

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>>3098215
Well I wanted to say he looks just like fucking Teal'c but Christopher Judge is much less round and oriential than I remembered, he looked a lot blacker to me when I was a teenager, I guess he must be mixed. I still think they chose Christopher Judge because of his resemblance to several Egyptian portraits.
So yeah that kang wuz literally blacker than Teal'C.

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>>3098220
>Black people never did anything but mud huts
>Not really pal, they did a lot, including monuments
>WE WUZ.
>Not really, the existence of powerful empires have several accounts, from Alexander to Cesar
>But it was not even that really BIG, huh?
>Well, he winner tells the history
>See, all useless on their mud huts
>Repeat

>>3098235
But there has been no "proof" the opposite is true. We've seen time and time again that near easterners not SSA are and were the early Egyptians.

>>3098293
No they literally didn't'.

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>Hates depictions of Egyptians as black people
>Call it WE WUUUZZZ
>Jerks off all day to a guy who literally made a political party saying WE WUZZ ROMAN EMPIRE AND SHEET

Pottery

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>>3098235
>Look at this art, this clearly show dey was black
>"proof"
Now where have I seen that before....

>>3098478
>le funny strwman xDd

2/10

>>3098478
See, that sort of thing works because most Africans actually tend to have oriental features, so the confusion is possible.
If that Olmec head had been found in Africa and we didn't know the Olmecs existed, no one would have doubted it depicted an African.

The thing with the Egyptian statues is that there are modern people in the vicinity who look like the statues and they happen to be melanin-privileged, so unless you want to claim that ching chong bing bong ("the most august personages of Egypt were true sons of Han in exile") the natural conclusion would be that the statues represented Africans similar to those who now live about 100 miles away..

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>>3098327
>nabta playa
>near east
>all those pyramids in Iraq

>be ancient Egyptian
>"hey wouldn't it be cool if everyone thought we were from Africa? Let's depict ourselves the same color as Africans, different from near easterners(even though that's us)"
>"let's go back in time and forge archeological evidence, because magic kek"
>"scribe, make sure you write down that we were from aetheopia even though we weren't"
>"Herodotus or you getting this?"

>Inb4 "much study"
Here's a challenge show some archeological evidence, depictions, or historical documentation corroborating the "near east" hypothesis.

Here's a DNA study that "proves" ancient Egyptians were black. Look everybody its irrefutable science
http://www.monitor.co.ug/artsculture/Reviews/Ancient-Egyptian-Pharaohs-related-to-Ugandans---DNA/691232-2419938-lf2y6h/index.html

So now we have archeological evidence, historical accounts, self depictions and testimony, and DNA.

/pol/tards have DNA from one site in lower Egypt of non-Egyptians.

>>3098053
>what is scientific method

>>3098123
>a big dump
>one "study"

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>>3098141

>>3098141
>US race classification valid
>One drop rule

>>3098152
>what is nabta playa?

>>3098327
>Time and again
>one study, of one site, in lower Egypt, from the new kingdom.

>>3098331
Can you define doing nothing but literally mud huts and having little historical importance? Groups of people can develop beyond hunter gatherers without being the most relevant group ever.

>>3098819
>new kingdom
you're off by a couple thousand years

Why are you so triggered that the "arab invasion" hypothesis is wrong? Why are you so triggered that Egyptians were by and large Mediterranean people? Who the fuck do you think the "Sea people's" were?

>>3098938
Proof. Besides your one go to "study"

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>>3098560
You fool, JOOS invented DNA

Look at some meme chart instead, this 1904 study says it all!

>>3091199
>>3091218
I have no idea how to read these graphs, can anyone help?

>>3100246

For the first one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

Second one is about autosome genetics but it says the same thing. Ancient Egyptians shared a gene pool with all non-Africans and no Sub-Saharan Africans.

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>>3091408
There are predynastic mummies, such as Gebelein man, with ginger hair.

Any sane person can say that Egyptians originated with an ancient NE African ethnic group, with some slight influence from further south and a more considerable input from Neolithic farmers and other Near Eastern caucasoid peoples.

The only reason anti-KANGZ voices are so loud is because African Americans unironically think King Tut and Cleopatra are part of their genetic and cultural heritage.

>>3093600
>Diodorus Siculus
>Fucking HERODOTUS
>a stele commissioned by a Ptolemaic pharaoh
>all written thousands of years after the establishment of the Egyptian civilization

Do you also accept Herodotus' account of a black dove flying from Egypt to Dodona and speaking to the Greeks there, ordering them to establish an oracle to Zeus?