Nazi graves and memorials

>>3087451
>shady online forums
worse than /pol/?

>>3087469
I heard about it on /pol/ and they told me to come here. The problem with /pol/ is that they can't usually hold a conversation without getting caught up in discussing the Nazis' philosophy, and here sometimes you get accused of being /pol/

What I posted in /pol a while back

>looking to do a tour that includes surviving blatantly Nazi shit that hasn't been blasted or removed yet
>mention that I saw some grave in France from 2007 that had an SS wreath recently added
>location was listed as secret but eventually removed by French authorities
>Anon says that there are forums on the deep web that discuss this

There's other graves that supposedly have neo-Nazi activity, but more advanced shit because it has to be done in shady ways. The idea of knowing monuments that, if the rest of the public knew, would end up smashed by some college kid or called racist and removed, is kind of interesting. For me I think it's an unusual bit of history, the Allies have plenty of memorials and cemeteries

>>3087480
I must say I'm intrigued. There is Nazi stuff found in the German/Austrian forests periodically, including a swastika arrangement of trees of a different variety than the rest of the forest. It was only discovered because one autumn the leaves colored earlier than the neighboring trees and someone in a plane saw a yellow swastika in an otherwise green forest.

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Herman Goering is interred in Belgrade.

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>>3087495
I'll dump what I have so far. If I find anything that's far, far out there and word-of-mouth posted here (I refuse to get Tor, it's too incriminating to have) then I'll make sure not to spread it. The plan is to eventually make a short video road trip to these places.

Also have the locations of a few Wehrmacht training barracks and ranges.

>1 looks like a recent memorial, Germans have strong feelings about this but not explicitly neo-Nazi
>2 I thought was damaged at some point?
>3 is one of several places that have some seriously creepy /x/ mysticism, along with the castle that they said would be the "center of the universe."
>Legit surprised 4 and 7 still exist
>11 - Bandera's grave has been desecrated a few times since the Ukraine conflict
>Hitler's birthplace is HEAILY guarded on 4/20 which would be cool to see desu

Threw in a couple of East German and Prussian grab bag goodies for when I'm there, hoping to expand

>>3087509
See Anon, this is what I'm talking about with the shady internet forums on the deep web.

According to this site
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=6095
(usually pretty accurate) he was scattered in a river in Munich.

Specifically:
>Ashes scattered into the Wenzbach/Conwentzbach, a small stream in Munich.

There is NO information at all where this is. Many high ranking war criminals were scattered in the same river.

>>3087451
Is this real? I thought they burried him in an unmarked grave.

>>3087522
>The plan is to eventually make a short video road trip to these places.

Cool, sounds like a pretty long trip though. Most of these monuments seem to be pretty insignificant though, I'd rather be interested in the larger official memorials like the navy memorial Laboe or the unknown soldier's tomb in Vienna.

>>3087596
They did, but supposedly there was a small magazine crew who placed a marker there. And even if it is unmarked, it proves some people still know where it is.

>>3087936
I plan on seeing a lot of those too. I'm from the southeast in the US where there's a battle over keeping or losing CSA memorials. This is interesting to me because of the controversy, basically over a rock that hurts your feelings and makes you want to erase history.

But I do plan on seeing the normal ones though. So bummed I missed Vimy Ridge on the 100th anniversary but I had work

Bumping for history

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This churchtower bell is still in use.
>all for the fatherland
>Adolf Hitler
Lately, a certain controversy arose about it.
https://www.thelocal.de/20170607/church-hitler-bell-out-of-tune-with-the-times-say-critics

>>3090831
Shit, this is the obscure, well out of the way kind of stuff that's interesting. The article was published recently, I should really check this out

Also interesting is the Invalids' Cemetery, I think in Munich. It was used for Prussian officers, civilians killed in the allied air raids (unmarked mass grave), and for high ranking Nazis. Their markers were mostly removed but they're still there.

The German army is currently being purged from its nazi roots, e.g. by censoring songbooks.

>>3089634
According to the Axis forum he was later cremated and it's unknown if the autopsy confirmed his identity. Though aparently the sources for that aren't too credible.

One graveyard for German troops who died in WWII was "opened" in Poland recently. I think it's pretty cool.

Trying to contact the guy in Italy who has a fascist souvenir shop dedicated to Mussolini. I think he was in the Italian military but I'm not sure. Would be cool to actually tour with him (the mausoleum is actually in the same town) really considering.

I don't know why people are so scared of this part of history, and additionally scared of the Truths.

I don't believe Nazism started out as being inherently bad, and honestly I'm still not sure what it turned into.

I hate that this stuff is censored and hidden.

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>>3087451

>>3091043
Nobody is afraid we just do not want to give stormfags like you the opportunity to worthship this stuff and bring it back.

>>3091043
I'm just happy people like you are on watch lists.

>>3091063
>>3091066

I am certainly not a storm fag weenie. I have not interest in national socialism or Aryans.

See this is EXACTLY what I mean. You are not allowed to go in, and question, and re analyze, and do a HISTORIANS job. If you find any information that doesn't fit the current narrative, you are an evil nazi badguy period, no arguing.

It's unbelievable.

>>3091063
I think this is a fear, a fear that rigorous and unbiased study of this specific moment in our history might lead to insights that challenge our current mainstream view of the Nazi Party and World War 2.

>>3091085
this.

It's too easy to say "X" was the pure good guy and "Y" was the evil baddie.

>>3091081
>If you find any information that doesn't fit the current narrative

Like...? Graves of Nazis? This is EXACTLY what makes me sick about postmodernist through. Always on the lookout for conspiracy, everything resembling an obstacle is a stick thrown under their feet by evil omnipotent gods, everything contradicting their views must be made up. Everything that would make normal person to reconsider, actually strenghtens their ideology.

Not to mention amateurs are allowed to study even Nazi shit, so your claim is incorrect.

>>3091148
> implying the "appropriate study materials" are not biased as fuck.

>>3091159
do you think proof the holocaust was faked was buried with Himmler?

>>3091066
Im happy you're stuck here in your safe zone

>>3091063
>>3091066
samefag

>>3091169
This is a strawman. No one here claimed that these monuments contain any such proof. The argument is that these graves and monuments have historical significance and should be preserved.

>>3091148
Not the Anon you're replying to, but I've seen memorials to Nazis who died doing noble shit (depending on who you ask, of course.) There were riots in Estonia when they unveiled the SS memorial which helped them escape Russian rule (they were going for controversy, he was clearly dressed like SS), and also cemeteries in Latvia and a memorial to an officer who stepped on a mine trying to save a US soldier.

In this case, a lot of memorials were removed in places they shouldn't have, dedicated to people that had no knowledge of the holocaust, simply because they had a swastika or too many buzzwords.

>>3091234
i don't disagree with this statement, but what i said was not a strawman, it was pointing out the absurdity of claiming that this stuff is being hidden to cover up evidence that the holocaust was faked. you've completely changed your stance in this post.

>>3091216
>less than 1 minute apart
>samefag
How desperate are you

>>3091348
Not him, but you do realise /his/ has a cooldown of like 5-15 seconds per post, right?

>>3091361
>not him
Obviously you are. How old are you.

>>3091348
How desperate are you to be a samefag?

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I for one think we should keep them around, they're a pieces of history from a period in time that re-shaped the future of Europe. Getting rid of them would be a real crime, that being said are there any Wehrmacht memorials? I doubt they'd be considered "Nazi"

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>>3091508
Some Anon on the /pol/ thread a few days ago mentioned there being a statue of a Wehrmacht soldier in his old town, but I can't find anything.

I found this, but no exact location or address.

https://www.tracesofwar.com/sights/5074/Where-is-Memorial-119th-Infantry-Regiment.htm

Also this is interesting;

Otto Bradfisch, commander of the Security Police at Lodz, has an unusual symbol on his grave. I really don't want to bullshit and say it's a NATO symbol but what could this be?

>>3091562
Nice, I'm asking because I'm saving up for a Euro Trip and being a massive nerd on all things WWII, I want to visit WWII memorials for each respective country's servicemen. I've already payed my respects to the one in D.C and my local memorials, just something for the bucket list really.

>>3091237
>There were riots in Estonia
And EU mostly turned blind eye to the issue. It was the Russian minority that went apeshit as they always do, especially against anything Nazi-related.

In western historiography Baltic SS legions are treated separetly from the rest of electricians, even Nuremberg acknowledged so.

>>3091159
So is vast majority of people who experienced Nazi rule. Maybe they really were the cunts the

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>>3091237
For someone claiming to know shit about Baltic SS commemoration, you clearly don't know shit about Baltic SS commemoration.

The Estonian monument, known as Lihula monument, is to Estonians who fought and died fighting the Reds on the German side in WWII. There were no riots.

There was a Tallinn Russian chimpout when a Soviet monument was due to be moved outside of the city center, which was completely unrelated.

There are military cemeteries in Latvia, including the main site for reburial of German soldiers KIA, and uncovered from unmarked graves by battlefield archaeologists (not to be mistaken for the absolute cunts who hunt for relics and discard remains of the fallen), located in Beberbeki, near Riga.

Monuments with any SS reference are scarce, opting to vaguely call them "fighters against Soviet occupation", with some symbolism of the national SS units, but no general SS markings (runes, Totenkopfs).

There is a main cemetary for Latvians fallen in German service (SS and WH) in Lestene, where first fallen during the Kurland Kessel were buried, and nowadays all Latvian KIA of WWII are reburied, wherever they may be found.

Find attached pictures of the Lihula monument, and monument to defenders of the town of Bauska, Latvia.

>>3091043
Why were the Nazi's racial policies not inherently bad though?

>>3091322
I believe you are referring to
>>3091043
which is not me, but he did not state anywhere that this stuff is being hidden to cover up evidence that the holocaust is faked. You created that argument yourself and are attacking it.

The poster who you are arguing with is describing the negative aspects of Denazification and the Post-War tendency to vilify anything associated with a certain time period or regime.

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>>3091598
And here is a picture of the Beberbeki cemetary.

Most German war graves abroad, at least in Europe, are maintained by Germany, by subsidizing local municipalities to maintain them , and the Bundeswehr even sends soldiers to tend to them every once in a while.

There is a somewhat comprehensive list here:
http://www.volksbund.de/kriegsgraeberstaetten.html

>>3087480
there really is no point for that sort of thing to be discussed behind the tor network as opposed to clearnet discussions.

>>3091622
Another thought I had, which struck me after I posted this, is that we are trained from youth to have such a negative response to Nazism that we tend to completely dehumanize regular German people who lived during WW2.

So much so, that a poster in a /his/ thread is called a "Stormfag" for being interested in this period of history and wanting to know more about German soldiers and the German army during this period.

>>3091651
Are you talking about >>3091043?

Because if so, I'm guessing people kicked up shit about it because the Nazi's had early policies that most of us would view as bad. When racism/antisemitism is not viewed as 'inherently bad', people are bound to get offended and it's easy to see why. In addition, the post made no clear attempt at showing an interest in Nazi military history, they are simply stating their beliefs

>>3091705
there are a lot of things fundamentally wrong with this post.

1. you claim that the Nazis did things that "most of us would view as bad". I am not denying that Nazis did anything bad, but you're falling into the trap of classifying sides in WW2 as "good" and "bad". Also, you're claiming your position is right because you're supported by a mob. You could do the same thing if you were trying to convince me to jump off of a cliff, by telling me that the entire village believes it's a good idea.

2. The economic and military state of Germany after WW1 was caused by the Treaty of Versailles, which humiliated the German people and placed the entire blame for the war (everyone's problems) on them. It is safe to say that the German nation was scapegoated for a problem that was undoubtedly much more complex than the Treaty of Versailles would have you believe. The anti-semitic policies which you claim are "inherently bad" arose because the German people believed (and I'm still on the fence as to whether or not they were right) that the Jews had a role to play in the loss of the war. I wouldn't blame the loss entirely on the Jews, but once again this is a much more complex issue. Do you see the parallels here? By your definition, the Treaty of Versailles is also "inherently bad", which would make France, England, and the U.S. "inherently bad". This might be why such a large share of the German population willingly became Nazis in the hope of restoring their original borders, their economic prosperity, and their national pride.

>>3091849
I love how neo-nazis pretend to be rational human beings writing lenghty paragraphs trying to appear polite and wise, yet behind the veil is the same old nonsense.

>I am not denying that Nazis did anything bad, but you're falling into the trap of classifying sides in WW2 as "good" and "bad".
Well then, In your worldview is it even possible to be evil? Or you completely erased the category, just so Nazis would not be classified as "evil"?

>Also, you're claiming your position is right because you're supported by a mob
Whole international academia is a "mob" to you? Show me your publications big boy?

>which humiliated the German people
Gee, it's like losing wars should be honorable.

>It is safe to say that the German nation was scapegoated for a problem that was undoubtedly much more complex than the Treaty of Versailles would have you believe.
First it's not safe and the second part of the sentence is just vague nonsense pretending to have merit.

>and I'm still on the fence as to whether or not they were right
"And I'm still on the fence as to whether or not is Earth flat" Hiding behind undecidedness does not stop you from sounding retarded.

>By your definition, the Treaty of Versailles is also "inherently bad", which would make France, England, and the U.S. "inherently bad".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqg3l3r_DRI

>This might be why such a large share of the German population willingly became Nazis in the hope of restoring their original borders, their economic prosperity, and their national pride.
Butthurt did not entitled one to murder innocents by dozens of millions.

>>3091849
Addressing your first point, I am not pointing to a 'side' in WW2 as being bad, rather I am claiming that Nazism at its core is bad as an ideology. There is a clear difference. Take, for example, the Nuremberg Laws of 1935, which classified Jews (among others) as 'enemies of the race-based state', simply because they were Jews. This isn't wrong because the 'mob' that I have supporting me believes it is wrong, it is wrong from a moral standpoint. I, like you, have a conscience, and it is based on this morality that I'm criticizing Nazi policies. That is why my position is right. It is not the question of the 'mob', it is a question of what is morally right and wrong. If you'd like to argue that such things don't exist then that is a much larger debate.

On your second point, you are vastly oversimplifying both the wording and the effects of the Treaty of Versailles, while criticizing me for doing much the same with regards to Nazism. Article 231 explicitly places the blame on Germany and her allies, not Germany alone. In addition, the economic state of Germany was not brought about by the Treaty alone, but through a host of factors including poor economic policies of the Weimar Government. The idea that 'the Jews' had a role to play in the loss of the war is another morally questionable position because you are positing that an entire people were at least partially responsible. The Jews were not bound by ideology to immoral acts of violence as the Nazis were

>>3091960
>Well then, In your worldview is it even possible to be evil? Or you completely erased the category, just so Nazis would not be classified as "evil"?

Geopolitics can't be simplified to "good" and "evil". It sounds cliche, but I see mostly gray. Some grayer than others.

>Whole international academia is a "mob" to you? Show me your publications big boy?

The integrity of international academia has always been in question. Did you know Google funds academics who conduct research that supports their business practices? Also, what makes you think academics across the board are united in their belief that Nazi Germany and everyone in it was "bad"?

>Gee, it's like losing wars should be honorable.
Did I make this claim, or did you? I'm not talking about ideals or how things "should be", I'm talking about how they really happened. WW2 was, for a good chunk of Germans, a beaten and bruised Germany re-asserting itself.

>First it's not safe and the second part of the sentence is just vague nonsense pretending to have merit.

WW1 was a clusterfuck, if you want to blame it on the Germans, that makes you just as "bad" as the "Nazis" you claim to have moral high ground over.

>"And I'm still on the fence as to whether or not is Earth flat" Hiding behind undecidedness does not stop you from sounding retarded.

If I'm a retard for not classifying historical world powers as "good" or "bad", then I'd say I'm pretty content being one.

>Butthurt did not entitled one to murder innocents by dozens of millions.

"I understand now that it's the Second World War which is a detail of the history of the gas chambers."

>>3092056
Nazism was very bizarre, and I have mixed feelings about it. I disagree with you that Jews were declared enemies "simply because they were Jews" but I do agree that what they suffered was horrible. I personally would have deported them.

>>3092181
>I personally would have deported them.
Unironically, they tried, but the Allies didnt want any jews, so they nope'd everything.
Hitler simultaneously and rightfully got butthurt, and was also like "hey, i tried. Guess there's no solution but genocide. what can you do, lol?"

>>3092100
Lad, if you want to disscuss geopolitics or survival of Schutzstaffel cementaries, then do so. But for whitewashing Nazis and "what they are not telling you"-tier discourse there are another boards.

>Geopolitics can't be simplified to "good" and "evil". It sounds cliche, but I see mostly gray. Some grayer than others.
So yes, you erased the categories.

>Also, what makes you think academics across the board are united in their belief that Nazi Germany and everyone in it was "bad"?
I'm yet to see one who does see it as "good".

>WW2 was, for a good chunk of Germans, a beaten and bruised Germany re-asserting itself.
Which had shown to be a really bad decision.

>WW1 was a clusterfuck, if you want to blame it on the Germans, that makes you just as "bad" as the "Nazis" you claim to have moral high ground over.
Lel, it was Austrian invasion of Serbia, approved by German emperor that started it. That was clear. But the massive casulties of Serbian nation is irrelevant compared to the shame Germans suffered, since they could no longer boss Poles, Czechs and others around, am I right?

>If I'm a retard for not classifying historical world powers as "good" or "bad", then I'd say I'm pretty content being one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqg3l3r_DRI ; I was clearly pointing to you bringing the "Stab in the back myth".

>"I understand now that it's the Second World War which is a detail of the history of the gas chambers."
Let me guess, you are a victim of American education that doesn't mention all the bloodshed on Eastern front?

>>3092181
Including Jewish WWI veterans?

Because fuck those guys, they only fought for the Reich in the most hellish war in human history.

>>3092221
Much in the same way that we in the U.S. put Japanese, regardless of their contributions to our country, into internment camps during WW2. I think the benefits outweigh the costs.

>>3092207
>Which had shown to be a really bad decision.

Only when Hitler decided to invade the Soviet Union. Up until then, Germany was back on its feet and handling multiple enemies all on its own.

>Lel, it was Austrian invasion of Serbia, approved by German emperor that started it. That was clear. But the massive casulties of Serbian nation is irrelevant compared to the shame Germans suffered, since they could no longer boss Poles, Czechs and others around, am I right?

I don't know what you're trying to argue here. I'm not here to play the oppression olympics.
Again, I'm talking about what happened, not how things SHOULD be or have been.

Buddy, I don't know your motivations, but I think you're a little too emotionally invested in this argument. I'm having very fruitful exchanges with others in this thread, so I'm just going to focus on those.

OP here

This turned into politics harder than on /pol/, I'm just looking for unusual out of the way Nazi symbols,memorials and graves because there's so few of them after denazification. This seems obvious to me

>Nazis were bad
>Some Nazis did good things
>Imo a lot of the good that was done has been erased
>In the aftermath of WW2, a lot of atrocities against Germans were covered up because we hated them for 'causing 2 world wars'

>>3091063
your a dorable

>>3092332
>Only when Hitler decided to invade the Soviet Union.
Which was inevitable thanks to his ideology.

>Again, I'm talking about what happened, not how things SHOULD be or have been
huh?

>I'm just going to focus on those.
If that means you resign on whitewashing Hitler's regime then all parties will be pleased.

>>3092340
OP, I found a website called thirdreichruins com that has pictures of such memorials

>>3092410
I've started browsing it, very interesting! A lot of the first stuff on my list I've got is from there.

TracesOfWar.com and ww2gravestone.com are both cool, too. Even though the WW2 Gravestone website sounds boring, I love how the guy behind it puts so much work into it. He was in the Netherlands when the Germans bombed his neighborhood.

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Here's a question!

Franco is set to be exhumed, the parliament voted on it. I hope to be in Spain on November 20th on the commemoration. Are there any really pro-Franco tourist spots, like that fascist souvenir store in Italy? I know that Mussolini and Franco are less unpopular to fanboy than Hitler.

>>3091598
Cool, never saw you posted this. I'd heard something about the statue in Estonia, but never the war cemetery. In Latvia I saw a similar monument (on the left) just on the side of the highway. The baltics really do celebrate this, but now they're celebrating the Forest Brothers more than the SS

>>3094302
That would have been near Annenieki/Kakenieki I guess, marking where the 19th SS (Latvian) held the line during the Kurland Kessel.

There is also an annual commemoration of Latvians who served on the German sode in Riga each year on March 16.

Forest brothers are a lot less politically problematic to celebrate, though quite often the two commemorations go hand in hand, in part because there was a fair amount of overlap.

Not entirely though, as the Forest brothers united folks from all sorts - Red army deserters, civilians, women and children, even some German soldiers who preferred that over surrender.

One aspect you should be aware of is that men from the Baltics, unlike Germans taken prisoner, were charged with treason. Due to the Baltics having been occupied in 1940 they had been Soviet citizens (for under a year), and thus were traitors to the motherland - so that was more motivation to decline surrender.

>>3094353
Worth noting is also the fact that a good number of senior Latvian Legion officers are interred in the Brothers' Cemetary in Riga, the main military cemetary visited by all foreign dignitaries. This is by virtue of them having fought in the War of Independence or WWI.

This includes:
Lieutenant general Rudolfs Bangerskis, general inspector of all Latvian units in German service
Colonel Vilis Janums, regimental commander of the 15th SS
Colonel Valdemars Veiss, regimental commander of the 19th SS, Knights Cross recipient
Major Peteris Lapainis, fusilier battalion commander of the 15h SS

Lapainis was quite the character - awarded for bravery by the Tsarist army, the Red army, the Latvian army - and finally the Reich.

>>3094526
I plan on taking leave for the 100th anniversary. I get the impression Latvia is a lot more comfy than the rest of the Baltics, although they all have their cool parts. I Need Estonia I found this small farm near the border with Latvia which some farmer gives tours of. The children of a forest brother showing his bunker. There was a brutal battle, the wires to the bunker that they had rigged to explode froze and the mortar rounds didn't go off.

My guide was shocked that anyone would find the holiday for the Legion offensive at all, or even controversial, but finally admitted that there were a lot of college kids mostly who opposed it because they were taught the resistance movement was all evil Nazis by the USSR

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>>3094972
I presume you mean Metsavenna?

In Latvia there are a couple reconstructed bunkers, the best to my knowledge is the one at 57.2224,25.22532.

More on the topic of veneration of the Legion, here is the current military recruitment video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivYnXMAtrGk

Note the figure with the same national patch, and an MG42 between 0:42 and 0:44. The animation itself could obviously... do with improvements.

Also, here is the current Latvian National guard patch (attached).

A marching song still in use in both Estonia and Latvia is the local version of "SS marschiert in Feindesland".

Most Latvians and Estonians, privately, will admit to considering the Germans the good guys. However, due to the West being unable to understand this can be the case, it stays out of foreign affairs. Needs must.

>>3090831

what does it matter? the bell can not be seen, it's in a tower

stupid controversy

>>3095249
>Metsavenna
That's the place, I'm pretty sure. I also thought that in the war crimes trials, there were distinctions made between German SS soldiers and recruits in the Baltics; The SS there wasn't trained in the same ideology the German SS was, and I'm sure if the Germans won the war, there would be ethnic cleansing there and double crossing, at least on the same level as kicking the Germans out of Kaliningrad.

It was sad to read how the Germans double-crossed the resistance, and how they were brutally crushed by the Russians, but still managed to Red Dawn shit in the swamp for decades. The Estonian flag was flying in the capital for only a few hours before it was replaced with the Nazi flag.

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I figure if I put enough places on a map and drive in a straight line I'm bound to hit some of them.

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>>3087451
During WW2 the Germans built a military cemetery in the scenic foothills of my Polish hometown and buried some four thousand German soldiers (fallen in the invasion of Poland) there. It apparently looked pretty nice, a large German eagle statue and rows of iron-cross shaped tombstones.

After the war the eagle was blown up and the rest was bulldozed. Now there's a camping site and parking lot there. The bodies were never moved.

Some German organisations have been pushing for the bodies to be moved but the local authorities keep denying them for the most part (a bit of dirt was symbolically moved to a different cemetery after two decades of pestering).

I suppose the lesson is not to bury your heroes in freshly conquered territory.

>>3096326
If you need >>3097107 on the map it's over here https://www.google.com/maps/@49.781425,19.0214359,298m

Could probably dig up some interesting stuff.

>>3097107
every time I think I've grasped the full depth of Polish butthurt they one up themselves...

>>3091063
>>3091066
>the absolute state of /his/

>>3091849

>there are a lot of things fundamentally wrong with this post.

For starters

>but you're falling into the trap of classifying sides in WW2 as "good" and "bad"

Listen Fritz, the krauts went above and beyond evil.

http://www.buyoutfootage.com/pages/pd_mil_wwii_europe.html

Go and look at what the krauts did on the eastern front, the death factories, and how they would do it again if we let our guard down.

>Germany after WW1 was caused by the Treaty of Versailles

And WW1 was caused by, yep you guessed it, Germany.

If you actually read the treaty you'll find it was not harsh enough for the sheer chaos the krauts caused in the name of their land grab.

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Hi:DDDD Yuo discuss wrong cuntries :DDD leds discuss Finland instead :DDDD

>>3099920
Tfw I already have tickets to Finland

I got invited to the 6.12 torch parade from the market square to the military cemetery to honor the dead, it they have the same problem as Latvia; Even though its 95% patriots and people who actually want to honor their country, there's 5% skinheads and Nordic Front goons. Because of that Antifa tries to attack everyone. But desu I'm willing to risk it for the 100th.

Not too much WW2 stuff unless you go to some winter war sites. Any suggestions? Do they know the hill that farmer sniper was perched on?

>>3097107
I can't tell if this is based or barbaric.

>>3097889
Germans destroyed our country, murdered 17% of its population, leveled many cities to the ground and wanted to completely annihilate Polish people, Polish language and Polish culture
>b-butthurt Poles xd

>>3100412
Case in point.

It's been eighty years Pawel, everyone responsible is dead.

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>>3100389
Based.

>The cathedral was designed by distinguished Russian architect Leon Benois, and was built between 1894 and 1912. When it was finally completed, it was 70 metres in height, at that time, the tallest building in Warsaw.
>It was demolished in mid-1920s by the Polish authorities less than 15 years after its construction.

>>3100380
No, the antifa usually hangs with people opposing the Presidential Palace's party for it being elitist or something. Nobody is really against the independence per se

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A park in Chicago has a monument of friendship between the USA and the Italian fascist government, inscribed with Mussolini's name and flanked by Fasces.

>>3091614
Because the person you're talking to is a Nazi

>>3091063
Lol. Keep crying bitch nigger.
I'm happy I'm on the right side of history.

>>3092181
They would have been deported in the long term. There never was any plan nor action to kill them.

>>3100481
Nothing to see here, since PNF or Mussolini didn't do anything wrong.
Rome and Milan has their share of old manhole covers having fasci in them. And Mussolini's family tomb proudly stands in Predappio and receives shouts of 'A noi' everyday companied with Roman salutes.

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>>3100717
Franco is set to be exhumed, the parliament voted on it. Are there any super-Francoist gift shops or museums in Spain, like this in Italy?

>>3102445

that's really uncomfortable

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>>3100380
In Latvia there really isn't a native Latvian group that protests any of this (local antifs wannabes are about 7 in total, so are local skinheads).

It is usually (Moscow funded) Russians that try to kick up a fuss.

But, as say the March 16th ceremony is very old veterans and ordinary folks, no one really responds to any provocations.

If you're interested in military memorials, don't skip the Riga Brothers' Cemetary, preferably on Day of the Bearslayer, November 11th (date coincides with armistice day; in fact refers to 1919 battle). Pic related.

>>3102483
It is, but it's run by a quirky old dude who was in the military. There's a very similar place back home, Wildman's Shop in Kennesaw. Run by some old guy who was in the KKK, always strapped with 2 revolvers, super flamboyant and makes a point to hug black people, and has certificates of thanks from a bunch of shady right wing groups. It looks basically the same.

I don't know, I just love quirky people hanging on to their past.


>>3102492
I'll be busy on that day, November 11th usually has local stuff; This year I'm going to a military parade and next I don't know. But I'd love to see the monument anyway, I'll try if I'm ever in Latvia again

>>3102567
Not difficult to get to, if you're in Riga again.

I marched on the parade last year, we'll see about this year. Weather went full retard - rain day before and 10cm of snow on parade day.

Oh, by the way, Mussollini is inscribed on one of the chambers at the Brothers' Cemetary - as all the names of recipients of the Order of the Bearslayer are inscribed on the walls there, and he got one as a foreign dignitary.

I know it's completely breaking the whole "Germany and occupied places" theme, but I just found an article about some museum to Stepan Bandera in Britain that's been open since the sixties, but more of a personal collection that you have to have connections to see. It got closed a few years back when some Russian journalist Graham Phillips was harassing them, but I'm sure it's still there. I've been emailing around, will post a video if I manage to get in

>>3099326
>Listen Fritz, the krauts went above and beyond evil.
At least they were better than Aztecs.

>>3091043
Because if you let up on it, it'll flare up incredibly fast.

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>>3097889
see
>>3100423

Absolutely disgusting

>>3103807
>>3100423
>decide to build huge Orthodox cathedral in Polish Catholic city
>build it in your national style matching nothing else in city and especially not the surroundings
>build it in the middle of an important central city square
>build it when the majority of the Orthodox population in the city is the Russian military garrison stationed in the building next to it
>get upset when it gets demolished after most of the Orthodox population (i.e. the Russian military presence) left the city

>>3103499
The truth typically has that quality.

>>3104182
>>3103499
nazi shit is legal in the US and has been legal for a very long time and it hasn't flared until recently

also
>we aren't nazis guys, how dare you
>we aren't racist guys, how dare you
i don't get it, just look at this thread

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>>3104092
It's still a church though, destroying any church is super disrespectful to God you know. No amount of "muh nationalism" changes that fact. Orthodox aren't even treated all that well in Poland to this day so it's disrespectful and kind of offensive in that context I'll have you know. Poland itself isn't all that innocent historically, especially towards Russia. I mean need I remind you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_Troubles

and to think, if they and the Lithuanians didn't stick their kielbasas inside Russia, things probably wouldn't have turned out so bad for either of them (cummieshits notwithstanding).

>>3104092
That church was probably the most beautiful thing to ever grace Poland, other than German occupation

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>>3097107
I live in a small village near Wrocław and in that village there is a small graveyard. In the late 40's Polish immigrants smashed every German grave. Spirit of vengeance didn't even spare the pre-WW1 ones.


On the other hand, in the village where my grandparents live there is a neat military graveyard with graves dated back from WW1 and WW2.

>>3104616
Eastern architecture is dogshit compared to western one. It looks Muslim.

>>3104651
No. it looks Russian and beautiful

>>3104679
t. ruskie

>>3090831
The bell should remain hanging with a new inscription next to it telling its past and denouncing nazis.

>>3100423
Was it destroyed simply because of anti-Russian sentiment?

>>3104373
One doesn't have to be a Nazi to see they were right about quite a few things even if they did commit a few truly monstrous acts.

>>3105551
>Denouncing Nazis
>Letting Nazis live in your head rent free.
Does every historical relic need a nearby disclaimer pointing out how wicked it's creators actually were or just the Nazi ones?

>>3107528
>LOL JUST IGNORE THE FACTS NIGGA WHY BOTHER UNDERSTANDING REALITY

look up sinimäed hills in Estonia.

Really, really weird coincidence but I got a package in the mail today. My grandparents found out I was enlisted and in the same area of Europe that grandma's uncle (?) was in, and sent me his diary. He was kept POW, and he was a captain in the 23rd Field Regiment.

He records all the places he was taken, but because it was transcribed from his journal it's a lot of him talking about food, listing food, complaining about food.

They were taken through France, and a crowd was almost rioting in Paris when they saw Americans, throwing things at the Germans, who fired shots in the air.

He mentions how one American sergeant was buried with military honors after he died in an Allied bombing while on a work party. Also how they seemed funny and at one transit station even entertained the officers by singing and marching.

He listed every place name and underlined it. I'm finding a lot of interesting stuff.