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Why is modern architecture so shitty? Who is behind this?

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Why is modern architecture so shitty? Who is behind this?
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post-modernists hijacked all forms of creative art in furious butthurt over majestic works of their predecessors, which required actual talent and effort to create
it was quite literally a rebellious teenage girl fucking chads and getting shitfaced to spite her mom
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>>3085416
Muhfuggen castles. Whitey gun pey.
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You realize that the Stockholm School of Architecture is the biggest joke in the Stockholm School of Architecture?
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>>3085416
>Stockholm School of Architecture
I'm told that place is a disgrace to higher learning institutions everywhere. Fitting for even its building to be a disgrace to the subject taught there.
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>>3085416
Brutalism is great you fucking bourgeoisie peice of shit.
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There's literally nothing wrong with B.
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>>3085604
Typical commie, forgetting that literally no one except middle class white teenager 'prole' finds that shit (and communism) disgusting.
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>>3085604
I live in a commieblock built by actual commies.

Everyone here hates them because they're ugly slabs of concrete and make our city look like a run-down mess.
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>>3085636
>liking beautiful things
Real men aren't supposed to do that.
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>>3085636
Those buildings exist even in England and France and the US, they aren't some kind of bolshevik patent.
They were built to draw rural population into the cities to work in factories and they did their job, but without any kind of step two, so we're stuck with them.
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The brutalist buildings in my town look like total dog shit, the only thing they remind me off is the stench of piss and scum
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It's cheaper. That's it.
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>>3085686
Brutalism is the future you bourgeoisie cunt. This is now a Brutalism thread.
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>>3085825
It's the future.
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>>3085828
Capitalist scum wish they could design this.
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>>3085830
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>>3085825
Looks like Nowa Huta.
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>>3085825
I've recently watched a PJW video on commieblocks and modern architecture in general, and he was just frothing with hatred for the things but in the entire 20+ minute video I haven't heard a single fucking viable solution, just a fucktarded proposal, that people should be allowed to live in normal single family homes as if making cities 40x the land area is something a person with functioning brain would ever seriously consider
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>>3085856
He did the same thing with music and then he started talking about "real hip-hop" like Hopsin... Fucking Hopsin... The 30 year old cringe lord. I can't take anything he says seriously after hearing that.
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Some modern architecture looks nice, especially the older stuff.

Pic related is cheap and commercial, but I think it's kind of clever in its minimalism, and (dare I say it) comfy.

That thing in your OP is downright offensive to me.
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>>3085416
Architecture is the most visible aspect of culture.
If you get all cultures architecture to look the same, its a good first step into decimating cultural differences all together.
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>>3085416
architecture has never been better than it is today
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>>3085856
utility & aethetics can coexist easily. A building that houses many people doesnt necessarily have to be an eyesore.
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>>3085828
>>3085830
>>3085832
>>3085992
do these people reject plaster on some twisted ideological principle or what the actual fuck?
those buildings could actually look pretty nice...
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>>3085994
He also shittalked glass/metal/plaster refits of those buildings claiming they simply swap one shit facade for another, but I really don't know what's the preferred alternative.
Does he really think anyone is going to bother building apartment blocks that look like Sagrada Familia?
Arches, reliefs, buttresses and gargoyles are fucking time consuming and expensive and I really don't know if everyone would like to live in actual Gotham city.
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>>3085825
disgusting
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They should make something like this again
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>>3085992
> when your buildings are so horrendous you have to use plants to filter out the eyesore
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I'm pretty sure that everyone who hates post-modernist architecture and brutalism doesn't know anything about architecture in general.
They just want LE KOOL CHURCHES N SHIEET XD!!!!!!
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>>3085828
>>3085830
>>3085832

Brutalism is nice for museums and stuff
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I don't like commies, but they got architecture right. It makes sense on a societal level.
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>>3086285
the only thing they got right is in the top left of that photo
everything else is shit
Khrushchevkas are mass produced 100% utility 0 aesthetics purpose build human anthills designed to urbanize the feudal shithole that was Imperial Russia.
They should have been leveled and replaced with prettier buildings looong ago.
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>16 posters
>32 replies
lmaoin at the one dude and his reddit buttbuddy defending brutalism. It's disgusting. You stop being into the whole 'lol le cool dystopia aesthetic' once you actually spend any amount of time in it. Protip: It's not good. It's a grey conrete (but you already knew that) nightmare which reminds you of death and looks more like a factory than something anyone should live in.
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>>3086285
I really like all the nature though, if the house itself wasn't so fuckugly it might be really comfy with a circulare or square apartment complex with a little park in the middle
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Before and after.
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>>3085856
You could put some pretty coating on the outside. Perhaps metal to make it look cool and futuristic. If you can't look like a comfy old building, look like a swag new building instead.

Might be a bit expensive though.
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>>3086373
> enriched
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>>3086442
>>3085887
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>>3085825
These buildings are only nice from afar, because then you can see interesting patterns. The problem is: In the human street perspective, these buildings lack detail. The neighbourhood can be made interesting by varying with colours.
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Old Queenslander style.

> Raised construction allows better ventilation, prevents some flooding
> High ceilings, large windows
> Plantation asthetic without the "muh slavery" baggage
> All-around veranda for shade and entertaining
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>>3086460
I think modern architecture is fine for houses, but not for public/corporate locations.
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>>3086489
That looks like a pain to paint/wash/maintain
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>>3085416
le corbusier is responsible kill him when we invent time travel
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>>3086516

Oh god it is. And the roof tends to come the fuck off when a hurricane comes through. But its pretty damnit
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>>3085887
>it's kind of clever in its minimalism

This
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>>3085825
>>3085828
>>3085830
>>3085832
I love you a lot :)
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Just a reminder that the Art Nouveau style that pseudo-trads fap about is just as artifical as modernism. It was built upon the ruins of real, authentic medieval cities.
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>>3086542
If you look at it, it's really just two boxes, but you mess with the angle/proportion of the roof, put a few windows in the right place, and you've got something that actually looks pretty comfy despite its minimalism.

Of course, by the later 1960s and the 1970s, it's like they either forgot or stopped caring about proportions & balance, so that style of house starts to look a lot less clever and a lot more carelessly slapped together.
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>>3086285
>In mother russia nature does not surround city
>city surrounds nature
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>>3086551
But when building on top of the old and expanding, one should remember to preserve some of the buildings for later generations to enjoy and learn from.
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>>3085856
>>3085880
>I've recently watched a PJW video on commieblocks and modern architecture in general, and he was just frothing with hatred for the things but in the entire 20+ minute video
That's the cunt with The Thinker as his banner, yeah? What a surprise. Does he think he's going to convince anyone by spraying spittle at the lens of his camera with rants so poorly researched skimreading wikipedia for five minutes beforehand would fix many of his errors; or does he know that his content is strictly for people that already agree with him to simply work themselves into an orgasmic hate frenzy. He's the poster child for youtube """intellectuals"""; ignorant and probably quite stupid; but also arrogant and with an overinflated sense of self worth, which leads them to feel compelled to broadcast their uninformed opinions as if they had value.
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>>3085435
The Stockholm School of Architecture is a modernist building, not a post-modernist one.
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Jews and leftist hate beauty and excellence because beauty is a constant reminder that equality is fiction.
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>this thread
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>>3087420
I'm glad you enjoyed yourself
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>>3085435
like you know jack shit about art you fucking pleb
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>>3087449
I could heem literally any of your grandmas, while fighting off the eastern savages, pleb
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>>3086373
Belgrade was bombed from the air in ww2
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>>3085830
Yeah, you need to be mentally ill do design something like that.
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>>3085416
What's the point of these threads?
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>>3087464
>heem
What did he mean by this?
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>>3086399
Or jsut good maintenance. Many of these buildings don't have muhc upkeep given to them which is actually a big problem for many infrastructure and buildings nowadays.

It's just hard to really get good money into Restoration and upkeep nowadays fora lot of buildings regardless of age.
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>>3085830
looks comfy desu
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>>3087551
I can honestly tell you the grime and general un-cleannes has little to do with the actual condition of these buildings
sure, they are undoubttedly disgusting, even for the people who have buildings like these in their own countries
and that actually takes us back to the original argument, and that is "Khrushchyovka" was a work of the devil
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>>3085416
People and companies who wanted to save money being from China brutalist architecture makes me ill
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>>3086588
kek'd
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>>3085416
I'm suspect of this picture, can it be confirmed?
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>aspies try to convince themselves that they like brutalism or modern architecture because they want to be special and different
>wonder why no girls ever touch their peepee
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>>3087560

Looks like fucking trailer trash senpai
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>>3087467
Yes, both by the Germans and the Allies.
But the way it was rebuilt was shit.
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>>3088197
>let's build brilliant ornate buildings here
>but none of them can be more than 2 storeys
Why?
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>>3085416
>women prison

Uhhh? I mean really? Fucking oppressors.
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>>3085416
then
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now
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>>3088358
Because of the structural limits of building with blocks of stone, and the practical limits of building the workplaces of hordes of dilapidated 70 year olds with more than two flights of stairs in the time before elevators were invented.
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>>3085416
Jews
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>Be creatively bankrupt and physically unable to make beautiful things
>Justify it as conforming to some bullshit modernist shite
Commies, everyone
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>>3085625
>says a middle class white teenager with Maga hat on
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>>3088665
It's worse than that. I asked my dad who lived in a commie country in Eastern Europe why all the buildings were shit. If they built a lot of stuff from scratch, why not make it look good? His response was "The focus was on utility, not appearance. Unnecessary frills were seen as bourgeois and classist. We were all supposed to be equal, so everything was ismple and stripped down."

Modern college Marxists justify it as >muh brutalism is beautiful.

Actual Commies explicitly didn't WANT them to be beautiful and the Baroque sense, as they shunned the entire society behind that kind of architecture.
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>>3088856
*IN the Baroque sense
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>>3088856
>The focus was on utility, not appearance
this is true
>Unnecessary frills were seen as bourgeois and classist. We were all supposed to be equal, so everything was ismple and stripped down."
this is horseshit
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>>3088905
He was literally in the Communist Party. He just told me what they told him. Communism isn't monolithic, there were differences between regimes.
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The future is vertical forrests/gardens/jungles with drones all around them.
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>>3088856
>Actual Commies explicitly didn't WANT them to be beautiful
This building was build by a commies.
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>>3088856
You disagree with this? I don't like brutalism and Communist architecture, but utility is more important than appearance. Baroque was awfully kitschy.

Of course you can combine both beauty and utility like Bauhaus.
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>>3089062
>He was literally in the Communist Party
Everyone who wanted to be something was in the party.
My father in law could recite you all mantras of Evening School of Marxism-Leninism (that's an actual name of actual institution) and even he would say this is total bullshit. They built plain looking concrete lego shit, because they had to build a metric fuckload of it in limited time with limited resources.
Every time those two constrains weren't present they built amazing looking stuff.
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>mfw these are the people I share the board with

Maybe a /pol/vasion isn't so bad after all
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>>3087449
Just what a pleb would say.

Congratulations, you played yourself
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>>3089134
Sure, but the reason I mention it is that he was pretty high ranking. Not just a member, but part of executive committees and the like.

I'm not saying I buy it (I don't), I'm saying that's what the Party line was in those days, in his country. It's pretty obviously just covering their asses, but it was presented as "our buildings look like this on purpose, and not because we had to rebuild cities in a few months"
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>>3085992
That picture looks like an apocalypse aftermath
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I havethe never understood why Finns praise Alvar Aalto. I mean, look at this shit!
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>>3089491
doesn't look bad
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Why do art and architecture pseuds never know the difference between "modern" and "contemporary" ?
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>>3089502
because they're mentally stuck in early 20th century
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Or this horrendous piece of garbage which is supposed to be one of the most prestigious cultural buildings in Finland.
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>>3089519
what's so garbage about it? it's simple and elegant; white colour and vertical windows really work well
don't get me wrong, there are many examples of shitty new architecture, but that's not it
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>>3089525
It uses marble as in its walls. Marble and rainy weather don't go well with each other.
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So wait
What material do all of you want to use if stones and concrete aren't good enough?
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>>3089730
I'm okay with concrete, I just don't understand total omission of any kind of decorative coating/structural elements

why on earth just plain concrete?
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>>3085416
>Who is behind this?
(((Them)))
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>>3085992
This certainly doesn't prove your point...
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>>3086083
Comfy as fuck
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why can't people appreciate diferent kinds of architecture throughout the ages? there are so many kinds and perhaps the near-future will see a movement focusing on a historical period's culture like the enlightment saw nice western buildings mixed with greek influence
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>>3086528
nigger
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>>3090413
this
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thisisthis
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>>3085636
Could you afford to live in something that is not a commieblock? If no then the commieblocks serve a purpose.
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>>3088856
Same reason ugly lefty girls say that they just "don't conform to bourgeois stereotypes of beauty" and quote Frida Kahlo.
Easier to declare a new, lower standard than meet the higher conventional one.

On a different note, I've been watching The Wire and fell in love with this building.
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You know, they make linoleum with all kinds of designs and patterns that can excellently fake pretty much any building material. I have a section of linoleum floor in my house that unless you get down and feel the edges, you would never know it wasn't actually brick. You could easily, and cheaply make these concrete dumps look less like cinderblocks with it.
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>>3085825
Brutalism is thr name given to shitty architecture that wants to pass as art, aka commie blocks.
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1. War and those who fund/lobby for it

2. Cars and those who fund/lobby for them
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>>3087449
>Listen, I know more about art then you, so stuff that looks like shit is actually good cause I say so, capiche?
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What's with self proclaimed traditionalists liking what mostly appears to be a shitty eclectic neoclassicism? It's like clockwork and it's the same thing with 4channers knowing fuck all about painting outside historical allegories from 19th century.
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>>3090714
>blue checkmark Twitter celeb
GTFO redditor
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>>3085604
>implying brutalism isn't bourgeois
cmon son
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>>3087405
>it's not post-modernist, just modernist :^)
Tomato, tomahto. Both seek to destroy culture, one just does it by making a mockery of it and being self-indulgent, the other by introducing bland utilitarianism to create a global monoculture.
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>>3090727
not an argument
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>>3085604
What makes it great?
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>>3090496
Yes. There's very little difference price-wise between older buildings and commieblocks. All that matters is location, and we live in a pretty good spot so I wouldn't want to move.

Now there's a correlation in the sense that the city center (prime location) is mostly preserved older buildings, and the farther out you go the shittier it gets, but again, it's mostly about location.

Most of the buildings are ugly anyway.
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>>3085992
>what is baroque
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>>3085992
The plants make that look somewhat comfy, but otherwise it looks very boring and claustrophobic.
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>>3086551
So? It looks good.
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>>3088358
Why do yiu want more than 2 storeys?
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Modern architecture is mostly fine.
Except the roofs. Those are cancerous, and a gigantic hassle.
There is a reason the gigantic cubic Jap castles are aesthetic: They got most of the modernism and brutalism in, but far sexier roofs and windows. Or courtyards for that matter.
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>>3089525
Imho it's not that it's bad, but that it's not good. Just mediocre. The kind of dish you make for yourself at home and say "good enough" but you would be mad if it was served to you in a top restaurant.
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>>3085416
I always assumed industrialization required quantity, not quality.

see: yurop housing
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like um try again sweetie ;)
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>>3090714
Just because we're against your super modern and cool """artstyle""" doesn't mean we're traditionalists. We dislike OP's building and commieblocks because they're ugly and/or plain.
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>>3090904
This is unironically better than brutalism. And I don't even like it.
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>>3090916
;]
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>>3085435

This

Modernism is an incurable disease
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>>3086083
Doesn't it would require lot of money to construct and to maintain.
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>>3086083
Doesn't it would require lot of money to construct and to maintain ?
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>>3085435
Muhhh BUT I WANT PRETTY PICTURE MUHH

Be creative and do not interpret art only through its visual aspects.
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>>3090572
If Mansard roofs are your thing, check out my hometown Philadelphia's City Hall. All stone on stone construction, while the upper tower is gray painted cast iron.
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>>3090945
this is porn
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>>3087405
It is modernist in art and architecture, whereas the mindset in creating it was postmodern
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>>3089491
It doesn't look like a LEGO. So it has actual shape, and it looks nice frm up close.
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>>3090966
Only if the statue is viewed from the right direction.
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>>3085825
Absolutely disgusting and pretty much all estonians hate the commieblock suburbs of Tallinn.

t. estonian
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The late 19th century was probably the peak of everyday urban architecture tbqh, at least in Western Europe.
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>>3086083
>>3090928
>>3090931

Only if they were built as the originals were. These days a steel framed building could be constructed using modern materials and methods, and a brick or stone facade built facing the street. The building would then look traditionally appealling but be cheaper to build and maintain, as well as more spacious on the inside and easier to remodel should its usage change.

Pic related while not having a traditional aesthetic style is a good example of what can be done. The building is steel framed and veneered with brick.
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>>3085880
Kendrick is god-tier, anon.
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>>3085880
which video was that?
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>>3090714
Because the 19th century had it right. Aesthetics and beauty are the highest virtue when it comes to the public space. Also don't pretend that ornaments somehow undermine utility. They don't. There is nothing more practical about a brutalist building then there is about a baroque building. And I dislike baroque, it's overkill, but try hard beauty is still better than deliberate ugliness.
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>>3085416
jews
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>>3091371
Absolutely, although they went overkill with their baroque shut and and "WE WUZ" neo-classical architecture. Art Nouveau is the ultimate conclusion. Uncompromised beauty without the tacky pretentious of baroque or roman shit.
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Futurist architecture is underrated.
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>>3088665
Merely making more buildings in the neoclassical or baroque style would actually be creative bankruptcy.
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>>3091480
But that looks bland as fuck. It's just some corporate building, or at least it looks like it. Wouldn't even look at it twice.
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>>3090938
>driving around town stroking your chin 24/7
Buildings have to be appreciated by more than your 30-student university classroom
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>>3090909
>world's ugliest cathedral made uglier by perpetual construction
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>>3092336

>completely missing the point/10

It's a steel framed building covered with brick, a relatively simple and cheap method of construction. Whether the brick veneer looks like a modernist travesty or a tradional styled building like pic related is irrelevant to the internal structure of the building.

tl;dr - You don't have to throw away traditional aesthetics if you want to utilise modern construction techniques and materials.
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>>3085645
no man is an ultramasculine emotionless archetype every second of his day. the last thing a man wants to do after a hard day is retire to an ugly ass grey block.
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>>3093093
Your "tl;dr" was like 80% as long as the thing it was summarizing.
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>>3093171

tl;dr - new build can look nice
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>>3085416
This reminds me of the European vs American housing bait.

If you are the landowner planning a construction project, and you have option 1 of building a functional structure at a modest price, or option 2 of building a craftsman's/architectural piece for 5x+ the rate, what would you choose?
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Our art tells us everything about our civilization

our civilization in it's heyday: neo-baroque, neo-gothic, classicism, romanticism, etc. when europe ruled the world

our civilization in it's twilight: modernism, post-modernism, brutalism, etc. when the world is pouring into europe and killing it's people and raping it's women
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>>3093902
i wish i was raped so i wouldn't be a virgin anymore but i'm not a woman
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>>3093907
women don't rape men

if you're a homosexual just go to a gaybar im sure there's plenty who would like to rail you
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>>3085416
>Who is behind this?
It's just pure coincidence goyi- I mean anon, hehe...
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>>3085825
No wonder the suicide rate in Russia is so high if they have to live in hives like this for their whole lives
>>3085828
looks like an oversized war bunker, NOT COMFY
>>3085830
really unique and attractive design, the perfect balance of glass and concrete
>>3085832
literally looks like a prison
>>3085992
no amount of plantlife can distract from the prisonlike look of the place
>>3086278
not ugly but not pretty either, needs paint
>>3086285
>a circle of commie blocks
is this the peak of commie imagination?
>>3086345
RIP traditional Chinese architecture, you should've hung those communists while you had the chance, say bye bye to your culture
>>3086373
this makes me so fucking angry, reminds me of the churches they're destroying to make room for welfare office car parks
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>>3085992
That looks like the fucking cemetery in my city.
Why do commies infest this goddamn board so much.
Fuck off with your awful architecture already.
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>>3091018
damn son pls learn to buzzword
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>>3086399
yeah the UK tried to do that and a fire killed everyone in the apt block and now taxpayers have to pay to refit them
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>>3085465
Somehow I doubt they've learned their lesson.
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>>3085604
Why do communists hate beauty?
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I can't make out any sense in Italian hill towns. Or coastal towns. From the entire Mediterranean actually, not just Italy.

It's a total clusterfuck of seemingly interconnected buildings and it's impossible to tell where each building ends and begins and who owns what. How the hell does this look like on the inside?

Worse yet is when they are clearly apartment buildings in irregular shapes - got no idea where they fit hallways and how the apartments are actually defined. Do these buildings even have interiors or are they just props for tourists?
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>>3090909
straight outta anor londo
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>>3088019
didn't think so
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>>3085604
>bourgeoisie

When you hear someone use that phrase you know you're talking to a wazzock
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>>3090922
MY EYES
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>>3096025
They tend to be really narrow and occupy all three floors of the building. What you're looking at is a concession to the very limited space of the site more than anything else.
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>>3085856
Commie blocks are actually less dense than actual non detached family housing. English housing estates were substantially less dense than the normal British working class brick row homes.
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>>3086278
It looks like a prison. Does not make me want to go in.
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>>3086551
But that was literally the point, though. Marry modern construction methods and materials with a beautiful, soul enriching aesthetic.
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>>3097074
>tfw you hear the wailing of the slain brutalist
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>>3089110
While the Poles were, for a time, under the control of their Russian commie overlords, deep down the Polish spirit burned with a longing for the grandeur of their past, which manifested itself in beautiful buildings such as your pic, constructed in spite of, not because of, the commie aesthetic.
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>>3085416
I hate brutalism, but /pol/'s obsession with "muh beautiful 19th century facades" is fucking stupid. It's obvious nobody talking up those antique brick shitboxes ever actually lived or worked in one.

protip: modern glass-facade offices are popular because they allow you to work in fucking daylight, not because of the Jewish architectural conspiracy
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>>3097076
>i have the best block of concrete
why
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>>3089110
>>3088856
>>3097078
The actual reason is Stalin wasn't a fan of Brutalism or other Modernist noise, he championed Socialist Classicism and Socialist Realism. Pretty much all of the 'nice' classical-based architecture east of the Iron Curtain was built in the Stalinist period (i.e. up until the mid-to-late 1950s).

Then Khrushchev said that was awful, disbanded the Soviet Academy of Architecture, and the dark age began.
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I don't exclusivly like brutalism but I feel like it captures one of the facets of civilization through its often monumental, tall, grey looks. However its large unfilled spaces of concrete could be used as an art piece. Drilled into the sides of walls could be depicted local historical events or history of the building.
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>>3085416
Gross, architecture school looks like straight from Borat's village. One may only guess what kind of shit they 'create' there
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>>3088553
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>>3097309

this. however I guess Khruschev bashed 'architectural excessiveness' for economical reasons: 60s were the period of mass migration of peasants to the the towns and it was impossible to construct Stalinist gems for everyone; and LeCourbusier shit and brutalism fad were very handy at that time. The tragedy is that at least in Russia even today they continue to build this shit en masse without regard to aestetics and urban planning although now they have all the means to avoid doing that. Russia is fucked for at least more 50 to 100 years.
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>>3085416
The jews.
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>>3097836
That's because of the lack of continuity in the education of architects. You can't have architects who can design classical architecture if your academies of architecture don't teach it, and you can't get anyone fit to teach it for the same reasons.

That's one half of it anyway. The other half would be the lack of craftsmanship, another sort of break in continuity. This second part is why even in countries which have managed to preserve or revive the teaching of historic architecture the output tends to be very limited in detail and ornamentation, usually resulting in either rather austere neoclassicism or buildings which hark back to a sort of classically-influenced early (think 1920s) modernism rather than to actual historicism (see pic related for a nice example from a few years back).

Some try to argue for this sort of style on the ground of aesthetics and minimalism, but the reality is that the craftsmanship needed to achieve quality ornamentation is now so rare it would be prohibitively expensive.
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>>3086278
hullo brisboy
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how about the skyscrapers
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I've had my moment of clarity when I realized the reason so many Brutalist buildings are covered in ugly streaks is not just because concrete weathers badly, but because they rejected cornices on idealogical principle, as ornamental.
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>>3097885
that is really nice building , rare now
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>>3086091
>when you realize true beauty is found in nature and thus reject artificial facades
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>>3086305
or maybe they could go outside and look at the trees instead of being american vegetables themselves
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>>3097901
Why do they count the lightning rods?
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>>3085691
This is the right answer. Why bother with ornaments when you could just build a concrete box, saves time and money.
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>>3098079
to make up for penis size
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>>3093902
>when the world is pouring into europe and killing it's people and raping it's women

Good.
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>>3085416
efficiency you dumb turd
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>>3086373
>>3086373
Looks like an old photocopier in that off white. Probably jams like one too
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conventional buildings aren't pretty because pretty buildings don't make profits

artistic architecture is ugly because artist are immature and rebellious, especially in modern day they probably think classical architecture is too white and embodies imperialism or some shit
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>>3090938
>it's a joke that i'm in on and you're not
This is how pseuds view art.
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This whole thread is retarded because brutalism is not the same as modern architecture and brutalism peaked in the 70s

Brutalise has nothing to do with communism or capitalism, it just happened to emerge during a time of relative prosperity in socialist Europe, so a building boom coincided with the rise of brutalism
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>>3097076
When you tear down a nice looking building and then get butt mad that no one likes your box of concrete you built in its stead. Karma
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>>3088856
>Modern college Marxists justify it as >muh brutalism is beautiful.
I don't know about that, the few college lefties I've met were into Zizek and PoMo shit, pic related
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>>3097076
>>3097074
top kek, reminded me of this
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hate the "pseuds" meme
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>>3091018
No it wasn't you idiot.
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>>3097901
Few things are more grating than the fact that the actually pretty aesthetically pleasing Burj Khalifa is going to be surpassed by yet another shitty Saudi Arabian skyscraper
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>>3085825
Such filth
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>>3092228
Art Nouveau seems like what Gothic might have turned into if not for Classicism taking over.
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>>3086285

That forested courtyard is going to turn into a pit of rape and stabbings in very short order.
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>>3088856

With a brief interlude of Stalin putting crenellations and ornamentation on everything in sight.
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>>3097076

Birmingham seems the ideal place for brutalism. Cold, dirty, saturated with human despair.
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>>3100142
>Brutalise has nothing to do with communism or capitalism, it just happened to emerge during a time of relative prosperity in socialist Europe,
>Socialist Europe
>Nothing to do with Communism

Getting real sick of you Red shills.
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Not normally interested in architecture, but I abhor this building. I work in New York, and I see it every day. This stupid piece of shit is three times as big as it needs to be, and looks like a giant stack of white Lego blocks that's about to tip. If I ever meet the faggot responsible for this thing, I'm shoving a mile long white wooden 2x2 up his ass because that's how it feels to looks at his stupid fucking building.
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>>3100344
Some brutalist buildings count as post-modern. Modernism is form follows function. This shit is anything BUT. Brutalism is just post-modern architecture with concrete instead of steel and glass. "Modernist" brutalism on the other hand is just commieblocks. That's not a real style.
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>>3100344
I know a literal stalinist tier SJW feminist who loves brutalism.
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>>3103163
>literal stalinist tier
But Stalinist architecture was neoclassical.
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>>3090904
opera house looks so ugly up close.
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>>3102309
the Burj Khalifa itself is a wonderful piece of architecture
the problem is it sticks out like a gangrene thumb on the unnatural looking Dubai skyline
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>>3085416
>tfw there will never be an Art Deco revival movement.
Why live?
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>>3104290
Dubai is a shining example of what happens when utterly materialistic people with zero taste create a city.
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>>3085416
Can a brainlet explain how the fuck do you even make a picture leaving the spellcheck lines under the text? Are these morons actually typing the text somewhere else, taking a screenshot of the text, cropping it and pasting it above the pic?
I don't understand.
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>>3096025
That's what it means for a town to "grow organically"
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Who here /brutalism/?
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>>3085416
This is from /n/

http://urbankchoze.blogspot.com.ar/2015/08/point-of-view-matters-scourge-of.html
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>>3085994
this
I have no clue what you guys are arguing over. The people who build apartment complexes try to make them as aesthetically pleasing as possible because they know that will make people want to live in their complex rather than a complex belonging to another company. It's called competition.

>>3086953
You realize that these people make videos for a living, right? Of course he's not going to be humble. He has to portray himself as RIGHT(read correct), otherwise people won't listen to him, and instead will listen to the other person who calls himself RIGHT. Most of these youtube intellectuals(including peterson) aren't anything to write home about. That's why they're on youtube.

>>3085856
>people should be allowed to live in normal single family homes

Should they not be able to?

>making cities 40x the land area

What are you even saying? What the fuck does that mean?
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>>3088197
I think brutalism is interesting to look at. I don't think I'd ever want to live near brutalist architecture though.
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>>3090796
Which city are you talking about? You just described Ljubljana, Slovenia's capitol city.
The center - or Old Ljubljana - is beautiful. Corinthian style sculptings on almost all the buildings. Some houses have protruding round reading rooms, and balconies of marble sculptings.
Commie blocks are only good when they're glass, and reflect our old art.

https://www.google.si/maps/@46.0519124,14.5033371,3a,90y,44.28h,120.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVMek6pR-A_waPzZjjGLeew!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
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>post-modernist is the new boogeyman meme phrase

Mixed feelings.
On one side, I support the dislike for that school, but on the other I dislike the complete fucking imbeciles that partake in it.
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>>3085856
The solution is that instead of 99% of us living in concrete containers and 1% of us living in palaces, we should go back to 90% of us living in hovels, and 10% of us living in palaces.

t. /pol/tard
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>>3096025
This picture makes me want to run with a knife out.
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http://russianambience.com/russian-unique-architecture-which-looks-better-from-above/
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>>3085992
Take away the plants and this looks like a literal wasteland. Kys
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>>3085416
>Who is behind this?
(((they)))
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>>3104955
>jews are responsible for affordable housing and containing urban sprawl

Thanks, Aaron. Doing G*d's work.
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One factor I didn't see mentioned yet is skilled labor
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>>3097076
>Oy vey, Brutalism is our cultua
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>>3097074

They knocked that down.
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>>3097076

My favourite part is the CGI mock-up full of people working in Holborn. Couldn't look less like the type of people found in and around Birmingham if it tried (not a jibe at multiculturalism).
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>>3104908
>1-km-long building
who the fuck thought this was a good idea? what kind of retard architects do they have in soviet russia?
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>>3086278
and another piece of shit to come out of Brisbane.
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>>3105040
>The Pentagon building is 3 square kilometers

Anyways, the Kremlin already has a 3km wall, so its not even the longest in town.
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>>3105040
That makes me out of breath just looking at it
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>>3105040
>what kind of retard architects do they have in soviet russia?

http://russianambience.com/ussr-legacy-photos-of-soviet-bus-stops-by-christopher-herwig/

Modern ones. A lot of geometrical and math fetishes in their building design.
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>>3104876
Modern = simple, practical buildings, made for the new big cities powered by recent concrete, metal and glass advances
Post-modern = elaborate and unique, because they got mad at how plain and dull modern is
Neo-modern = even simpler and even more practical, because they got mad at how impractical and alien the post-modernists are

So people saying post-modernists are to blame for plain concrete buildings are objectively wrong.
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>>3105096
Pentagon is a bad design, but it was built that way because steel restrictions and ideological reasons.
Kremlin is a complex. It has palaces, a cathedral and gardens within.

This is just a stupid piece of concrete.

>I have a meeting in 10 minutes
>Fuck, it's in the other side of the building. Must leave right now
>Almost there
>Fuck, forgot my notebook. Now I have to go back
>mfw I run 3 kms to arrive on time to a stupid meeting
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>>3105150
>http://russianambience.com/ussr-legacy-photos-of-soviet-bus-stops-by-christopher-herwig/

love this one
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>>3105228
>i have meeting in another building 1km away

There, same thing, except the buildings are very close to each other and have doors to enter from one to the other.
Just treat it like a bunch of buildings glued together, its what it is.
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>>3090761
>>3085435
[citation needed]
[dubious - discuss]
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>>3085435
see >>3105202

>>3090761
Modernist and post-modernist are opposites, you colossal sack of shit.
>hurr durr opposites are the same because i am retarded
Post-life yourself.
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For everyone agreeing with OP, I say this: your nostalgia for the past you never even lived in is as meaningless as it is pathetic.
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>>3105260
Why don't they just make more like these and less like those:
>>3085830
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>>3105269
>Geisel-Library

1. Thats a textbook modernist project, not a post-modernist one.
2. You not liking it doesn't mean its bad.
3. It looking like an 18th century train station wouldn't be better.
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In my country architects decided they need to add some classical elements to commiblocks, and now we have abominations like this.
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>>3105280
this
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>>3086044
>Arches, reliefs are fucking time consuming and expensive

But they were expensive and time consuming a couple of centuries ago.

Anyway, it's obvious from talking to most people that the majority dislikes modernist and postmodernist buildings. Especially in European cities where modern architecture clashes with the surrounding buildings. What I find puzzling is that the most popular targets of public disgust are large public projects. How is it possible that that what is supposed to be build by and for the public, is considered an ugly eyesore?

And is it really that much cheaper compared to the ornamental styles of the past? Many of the modernist and especially post modernist designs are in fact quite complex using very expensive materials. Not to mention the high cost of the design, when done by a noteworthy architect.

Public buildings used to reflect something by the community for the community. With the medieval cathedral as the ultimate example. Now they have become the elite projects of gauche caviars and professional politicians.

But that's just big public projects. What about the houses of individuals? Do you live in an architectural marvel in the old style which you build yourself? Probably not. But for some reason my Flemish city is filled with 19th century mansions all of which either have original, complex designs; or they have more common simple designs, but still in the 'right' style with some ornamentation. Which means that people building a house used to believe that a minimum of external beauty was a necessity.

Why did people invest in showing off their wealth and making the city look nicer? Rich people these days go live in a 'loft', which has everything you could ever desire inside an empty factory.

It's hard to pinpoint why people are today disconnected from architecture. But I believe that one part of the story has to be, that people have become more individualist and less interested in their neighbourhoods and communities.
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>>3105388
More importantly who the fuck cares what plebs like or dislike? They're plebs, they don't know shit.
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>>3098079
>>3098227
It's the equivalent of pressing into the pubic bone.
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>>3105390
>More importantly who the fuck cares what plebs like or dislike? They're plebs, they don't know shit.

But what do you do when the elites these days, political, financial or intellectual, are filled with plebs?
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>>3105412
The elites are not plebs by definition and are dragging the plebs kicking and screaming towards a more prosperous and progressive future in all sphere, architecture included.
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>>3085992
concrete does absolutely NOT age well.
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>>3105418

I know my comment was a contradiction by definition. What I'm trying to say here is, can a man be part of the elite, but without a sense of the value of architecture? The answer is most likely less.

Now I never said we should listen to "the pleb", what I am saying is that great art seeks out the universal. Because of individualism and a disinterest in the community (community, not the pleb), we lost that aspect of artistry and replaced it with vain projects.

You might not agree with that definition of art. But then I wonder, what do you value in architecture? What should the architect aspire to, if he wants to make something worthy of your superior patrician taste?
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>>3088905
>Unnecessary frills were seen as bourgeois and classist. We were all supposed to be equal, so everything was ismple and stripped down."
>this is horseshit

Not him, but my brother's wife (French) studied architecture and they more or less taught her something along those lines, arguing that frills and decorum were an unnecessary waste of ressources, and material used as well as the function of a building are much more important than subjective (and costly) esthetics.

She bought it all and defends her opinion stubbornly, isn't even a leftist, although the art and architecture academia clearly is.
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>>3087560
>>3088205
That's a stage set for a Shakespearian play.
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>>3090413
Because today's architecture in the west is litteraly called "breaking architecture", in France anyway. The literal aim of new buildings built in old town centers is to contrast as much as possible with their surroundings, to make them stand out and break the surrounding harmony. On their own, some of these buildings would look fine no doubt, or better yet, grouped together, but old neighbourhoods and buildings are being torn down in the very aim of building something flashy which will clash with the rest of the cities they are built in.

The architecture for the common man in the suburbs however is so devoid of a soul that it isn't even worth looking out or arguing about how ugly it is, in the urbanistic nightmare of suburbia.
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>>3085887
I've always thought split-levels to be really neat.
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>>3088546
>>3088553
Well, you're lucky I watched Carnival of Souls so I even know what that is. The first two were abandoned because of lack of water and lack of interest. This third one is essentially just an event center with the same name.
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>>3090938
fuck off, you ideas are stupid and they don't become good if they are delivered in an inconvinient format
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>>3085649
>Those buildings exist even in England and France and the US, they aren't some kind of bolshevik patent.
>They were built to draw rural population into the cities to work in factories and they did their job, but without any kind of step two, so we're stuck with them.
all of them were designed by faggy artists who wanted to bitch about how cruel capitalism was but never moved to the USSR or any other commie shithole
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>>3085832
>>3085830
>>3085828
>>3085825
>>3085992
fucking move you faggot, go to Cuba, Vietnam or some other shithole
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>>3104815
Pretty obvious, minimal planning in the layout of the town, no master plan. Roads are built with the buildings not before.
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>>3105260
Pretty retarted pseud. Its not nostalgia for the past when those styles of buildings that you would say are pathetic to admire still exist and are in use. As well as far more desirable to live in than modern glass and concrete boxes.
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>>3085649
The commie block style was created with the desire to change society through architecture in a socialist and modernist direction. There is a reason why writers for the guardian and other leftists bemoan the loss of brutalism and how it never became popular. The funny thing is how the working class people forced to live in those estates hated them and wished to return to the homes that had been demolished to make way for them.
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I always liked how the city in Metropolis looked, an idea of the 1920s about the future of city design
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>>3104872
That looks like any generic modern office block you'll find in America.

Why do commies have such bland tastes in everything? It's like the ant people intentionally suppress their own senses so they can further blend into the collective eusocial bee hive they so desperately want this species to become.

It's like, talk to one commie talk to every commie. Get some taste, seriously.
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>>3085649
The Projects are shit over here, even the niggers don't want to live in them.
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>>3086285
What's on the inside?
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>>3087468
Wasnt that the point of modernism? To rebuild the bombed cities again but it went out of control
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>>3085604
But there is nothing monolithic about that structure. Designing a concrete box and labeling it as Brutalism doesn't count.
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>>3085416
Both are horrible
>>3085825
Aesthetic
>>3085828
aesthetic
>>3085830
aesthetic, also in California, so it's a toss up how commie it is
>>3085832
ok
>>3085887
comfy but the paneling would need improving and it's probably been torn down because it's too small for modern families :(
>>3085992
aesthetic and comfy
>>3086083
pretty
>>3086278
aesthetic
>>3086345
not great
>>3086373
horrible but the original was probably rubble before they rebuilt
>>3086442
comfy
>>3086489
looks like a cheap resort on a non-touristy carribean island
>>3088197
I love city planning but this is kinda ott
>>3088546
aesthetic
>>3088553
looks like a mega church that's actually a tax haven
>>3089110
decent
>>3089491
boring
>>3089519
decent
>>3090413
this
>>3090572
decent
>>3090714
lol Excalibur is probably the nastiest casino on the Strip (this had better be fucking sarcasm)
>>3090836
Baroque is dank
>>3090884
ugly
>>3090904
pomo sucks
>>3090909
early modernism mixed with art nouveau is so goddamn aesthetic omg
>>3090922
genuinely aesthetic. This building is cool af
>>3091371
I'm not inclined to disagree, the individual buildings all worked very well together, but there's something so beautiful about the ideas behind the brutalist structures and city planning
>>3092228
yes
>>3092245
yes
>>3096025
cute
>>3097309
boring
>>3104821
here
>>3105260
this is pomo not modernism
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>>3109206
oh boy everyone loves the asshole that makes a huge post that replies to everything so whenever they hover over it on the later replies they can't even see what it is
>>
favorite kind of residential architecture?
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>>3085416
too many ideas, too much artistic license

>implying all modern architecture is 1960s architecture
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>>3097309
it's a nice building, i personally like it, i just hate the location, the original look of the area was a billion times better

fucken commie dogs
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>>3104139
See? Even Stalin had better taste than modern leftists.
>>
I really fucking hate contemporary architects.
At least the pretentious "conceptual art" faggots stick to their shitty museums, architects invariably leave their huge turds in the open where everyone is forced to look at them.
>>
>>3100344
Disney Hall is actually a very wonderful building. I dislike Gehry because he seems to hamfist his bullshit where it doesn't belong (especially his house, an eyesore on Santa Monica), but inside and out Disney Hall is a joy.
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>>3091723
Hip hop is for niggers and Kendrick's music is only enjoyed by niggers, wiggers, or the "woke" types of people. None of which are good folk.
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>>3110160
Art Nouveau pretending to be Neo-Baroque.

Pic related, where I went to preschool (built as a villa in the 1900s).
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>>3106340

This looks like Sauron's mace from LoTR
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>>3085832

Poor Ethiopia. Imagine what she'd have become if communism didn't happen.
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>>3111372
10 separate small and poor states?
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>>3090904
below the sail like concrete structures the base looks awful with those vertical concrete lines
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>>3085825
Speaking as someone who doesn't even hate brutalism, communists and socialists are despicable scum and should all be gassed.
>>
>>3085832
>>3086278
I think a lot of brutalist buildings could be made to look MUCH nicer if they were given a good coat of paint.

Like that museum, paint all that gray concrete in a nice wine red, maybe with a navy blue trim along the top.
Or just use all that flat concrete as a canvas for elaborate murals, that's another thing you can do.
>>
>>3085830
I like the shape of that building, but the concrete as it's used isn't actually very pretty. Cover it with wood paneling and I think you'd have a pretty snazzy building.

>>3105928
Cuba can't afford brutalism, they're basically Norkie tier, not exaggerating. Socialism violently gutted that country apart from a few tiny areas for the party elite. Infrastructure is 100% in disrepair and hospitals have dirt for floors.

Why socialists point at Cuba as a success I'll never get.
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This place is near where I live.
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>>3085830
I actually don't mind that, at least they tried to make it look good and it's definitely interesting.
>>
Are there actual studies or resources showing that it'd be significantly more expensive to build in traditional styles?
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>>3090938
>Emperor's new clothes
fucking pseudointellectual wankery.
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Who all know who is behind it.
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I wish architects would drop the geometry meme and start building things in organic shapes instead, it's clearly the next great sphere of aesthetics after rigid old ornamentation and sterile pomoboxes
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>>3085604
Sometimes from the outside it's nice but it's always dark and shitty inside.

This school is not an example of good brutalism anyway so don't defend it.
>>
>>3092173
melontano's video is the only thing that makes the original palatable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNmta1gFjxU
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>>3114539
Go leave in a hobbit hole or if you really want to leave on a fungus, why not kill yourself so you can enter wonderland?
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>>3115159
You should try being more of a fun guy
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>>3085825
interestin g place to observe after an apocalypse of sorts. I'd like to see how everything organizes, and if it does so by building.
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It's sad they don't make buildings like this nowadays.
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