Marxist theory

That people are confined to their emotions, their needs, their wants, their desires, their physicality, their restrictions, their illness, their mentality, and etc. communism would work if we were ants or robots, but we're not. You would think a "high iq askhenazi" would understand this.

>>3083018
Marx was a journalist though and that is not a refutation of his ideas.

the obvious flaw is he had a strong bias against religion and man is religious by nature

>>3083018
This is probably the most retarded argument against Marxism

Is an economist worthless if he has never bought or sold stocks?

>>3083052
>communism is not an economic system

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>>3083045
Marx didn't hate religion. He saw it as a necessary coping mechanism for people in dire circumstances.

I don't think it's appropriate to say humans are religious "by nature." Just look at how different the idea of religion is to East Asians when compared to Christians and Muslims. In Western antiquity, religion was simply the primary means of understanding our world. There was little dogma and even less religious intolerance.

>>3083005

>Marx-"my utopian bullshit is literally science and WILL happen naturally during a great crisis, starting in urban european areas first. Russia will be the last place it will take hold as rural places wont do it right and then a post-nationalist global socialist utopia will take over the earth!

reality-marxism fails everywhere except Russia which is the first place it is actually successful. from then on, only third world shitholes implement these ideas to ill effect and they are mostly all motived by post-colonial nationalistic ideas, all eventually crashing and burning in failure

really makes you go "hmmm"

>>3083065
the communists literally had to invent crude personality cults and atheist religions to rule over masses, when they failed they had to backtrack

he thought the middle class would remain peasants in free market capitalism. moron

>>3083005
>What are the flaws in Marx's ideas?
As in, Marxism as a sociological theory? Marx's predictions weren't correct (the industrialized nations in Europe, such as Britain and Germany, would be the first to adopt socialism) and it's arguably unfalsifiable.

>>3083079
>Russia
>Succeeded

what

>>3083018
This is a trap since only retarded people will think this is an objection, while in reality it's as valid as saying that the reason we shouldn't have a wall is because our president is an orange.

Any ideology that strives towards some kind of utopian ideal is inherently misguided and wrong because people don't like things to be perfect, there has to be some kind of struggle to truly give people meaning in their lives. If Marxism was fully implemented and we got post-scarcity fully automated luxury gay space communism or whatever, at some point some people would start working to tear it down because it would be supremely boring and supremely meaningless.
Read Dostoevsky; he utterly BTFO of communists a full 50 years before they started to be a real threat, and I wish more people had listened to him. He knew that while suffering isn't great and you should generally try and minimize it, you need a little bit of it to truly put things into perspective.

>>3083083

No he didnt.

>>3083005
There are several, especially in his economics. Please note, I'm not blaming Marx; they are generally using economic tools that simply didn't exist when he was writing Kapital, but things like marginal utility and consequences of that idea; the notion that wealth tends to concentrate in fewer and fewer hands and that leaves the masses destitute not only in a relative sense, but an absolute one that is facing a very real risk of starvation

A) Hasn't happened
B) Makes no sense when you consider how trade is not in fact a zero sum game.

Also, his conceptions of classes are extremely blunt and do not tend themselves towards good predictive values. Machiavelli lived hundreds of years beforehand and his class notions are far more nuanced, predictive; and he wasn't even trying to analyze every society ever, just the Roman Republic and contemporary Italian city states. Marx tries to cover this up with notions of "False consciousness", that interested parties delude the proletariat into not accepting class consciousness, but this is a completely unfalsifiable notion, and begs several questions as to how one class can "properly" tell another class what is really in their best interests if the class as a whole holds different values such that they see their best interests otherwise.

In a phrase? Dictatorship of the proletariat.

This idea was the critical flaw in Marx's outline of the supposed communist revolution. Marx, contrary to popular belief, was not an authoritarian and he believed that workers should be self-governing democratically through a system somewhat similar to the USA's federation concept yet without any over-arching state over and above the individual states.

But to achieve this end, Marx, who knew practically nothing about how to pragmatically organize and lead people, believed in a dictatorship of the proletariat that doesn't hold water.

It inevitably creates conditions where a group of highly organized, violent and motivated individuals can capitalize on the chaos of revolution to establish private tyranny.

>>3083018
Engels worked (white collar jobs) in his father's factory. His two partners Mary and Lizzie Burns were illiterate working-class women. He and especially Marx also worked as journalists too, plus some odd jobs (I seem to recall Marx was essentially a trader at one point.)