Why do you hate National Socialism?

>>3082335
>However I don't know why you hate National Socialism when it is a better alternative to communism and capitalism.
Mostly for the part that this isn't true at all, and National Socialism's one instance so far in history launched a gigantic fucking war in an attempt to prove this and fail.

>National Socialism is against usury, capitalist exploitation from the plutocrats, opposition to the Judeo-Bolsheviks that ruined Russia and ruin Germany.
Not a /pol/tard or stormfag I see, you juist use their lingo. They're also very much for slavery, which is a hell of a lot worse than usury.

National Socialism is just communism branded in a way which appeals to the middle class by focusing on race instead of class. That is evident in the name "socialism". Big government is all the same, it attempts to subjugate the freedom of the individual by making the population slaves of the state. National Socialism killed millions, not as many as communism, yes, but if it had been allowed to spread it would have been as destructive as communism. It not only started the greatest conflict in history but also led to a mass genocide.

>>3082335
Go play somewhere else, child.

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>>3082335
Do we need a helicopter ride today?

And Christianity preaches love and brotherhood between all men but found ample use for the burning stake.

>>3082335
> socialism

>>3082429
Not sure if you are expressing your disdain for socialism or questioning the assertion that nazis were socialists.

>>3082335
It's monarchy for edgy teenagers

>I'm not a /pol/tard and I am not a stormfag. Stormfags are degenerate pieces of trash that would have no room in the Reich.
:^)

>National Socialism is against usury, capitalist exploitation from the plutocrats
Existed under nazis. In fact, capital share of income increased and they granted corporations slave labor.

>Judeo-Bolsheviks
Stormfag myths.

>>>/pol/

Nazism is a strictly German expansionist ideology brought to the extreme. I'm not a German and i have no reason to subscribe to it.

How can you deny such songs as this?

Die Fahne hoch! Die Reihen fest geschlossen!
SA marschiert mit ruhig festem Schritt.
Kam'raden, die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen,
Marschier'n im Geist in unser'n Reihen mit.
Kam'raden, die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen,
Marschier'n im Geist in unser'n Reihen mit.

Die Straße frei den braunen Bataillonen.
Die Straße frei dem Sturmabteilungsmann!
Es schau'n aufs Hakenkreuz voll Hoffnung schon Millionen.
Der Tag für Freiheit und für Brot bricht an!
Es schau'n aufs Hakenkreuz voll Hoffnung schon Millionen.
Der Tag für Freiheit und für Brot bricht an!

Zum letzten Mal wird Sturmalarm geblasen!
Zum Kampfe steh'n wir alle schon bereit!
Schon flattern Hitlerfahnen über allen Straßen.
Die Knechtschaft dauert nur noch kurze Zeit!
Schon flattern Hitlerfahnen über allen Straßen.
Die Knechtschaft dauert nur noch kurze Zeit!

Die Fahne hoch! Die Reihen fest geschlossen!
SA marschiert mit ruhig festem Schritt.
Kam'raden, die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen,
Marschier'n im Geist in unser'n Reihen mit.
Kam'raden, die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen,
Marschier'n im Geist in unser'n Reihen mit.

Or this?
Deutschland du Land der Treue
Oh du mein Heimatland
Dir schwören wir aufs neue
Treue mit Herz und Hand.
Strahlend erstehest du wieder
Herrlich nach banger Nacht
Jubelt ihr deutschen Brüder
Deutschland ist neu erwacht!


Refrain:
Hakenkreuzfahnen,
Schwarz, weiß und rot
Grüßen und mahnen,
Seid getreu bis zum Tod!
Deutsche, seid Brüder,
Reicht euch die Hand!
Heil uns'rem Führer,
Heil dem Vaterland!

Heil dir du deutsche Jugend,
Erben der neuen Zeit,
Fügt euch zur Männertugend,
Stellt euch zum Kampf bereit,
Folget dem Ruf der Alten,
Siegreich und kampferprobt,
Dann bleibt das Reich erhalten,
Auch wenn der Sturmwind tobt!

>>3082335
Because any brand of socialism is antithetical to freedom and the American way of life.

>>3082335
>I'm not a /pol/tard and I am not a stormfag. Stormfags are degenerate pieces of trash that would have no room in the Reich.
Not_all_Scotsmen.jpg
>National Socialism is against usury, capitalist exploitation from the plutocrats,
There were literally Jews enslaved in factories and they were shot when they were no longer useful (Germany found better slave workers).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenstrasse_protest
>opposition to the Judeo-Bolsheviks that ruined Russia and ruin Germany.
East Germany fell. There is no Socialism in Germany except a few fringe parties. Also Judaism isn't forced upon any Germans.
> National Socialism preaches national pride and unity of the German people.
Okay, that's one thing you got right.
> It is not a white nationalist organization
By definition (German supremacist) it is.
> it is a European idea that preaches love for the fatherland, the family, the country, and everything of what it means to be a proud German.
And destruction and subjugation of all non-Germans and those who disagree with the political stance of the nation.

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>>3082335
I don't hate it but I hate anyone who wants to implement it in any country thats not Germany, you are aware that NatSoc is a uniquely and highly autistic German take on fascism right?

It just reeks of laziness to me, instead of trying to form your own brand of fascism thats unique to your country and people or pick up one that exists for your country, you try to force something without looking into the history behind it. It's even worse when an American wants to play Nazi, more likely than not they would be rejected in a true NatSoc society.

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>preaches love for the fatherland, the family, the country, and everything of what it means to be a proud German.

Slaughtering disabled children to save a buck isn't very loving or familial. Even neanderthals were more caring and family oriented.

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>>3083383
>Slaughtering disabled children
when will this meme end?

as if raising a disabled child at the expense of ten normal is ethical

>>3082335
I've been taught so.

>>3082335
>I'm not a /pol/tard and I am not a stormfag.

Except you are.

>>3083396
No kidding. I took a class on dictatorships in Europe last semester (don't make fun of me) and our professor brought an instant where even a German farmer was sterilized for a stupid reason. I forgot what example she cited but apparently the farmer was illiterate or she didn't know how to fill out a tax form and they sterilized her for it.

>>3082335
Stormnigger.

>>3082335

"Stormfags are degenerate pieces of trash that would have no room in the Reich."

>Polfag detected

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>>3082335
>However I don't know why you hate National Socialism when it is a better alternative to communism and capitalism.
Because National Socialism is a lie that over-ambitious right-wingers tell working rubes in order to get them to fall in line and stay obedient to whatever agenda the ruling clique has in mind, typically involving some kind of mass-looting in order to pay for all the "yes we cans!" that they promised to people.

>hurr that's not what nat.soc. REALLY means!

Of course it fucking doesn't. It's a political philosophy specifically engineered to be vague enough to mean whatever the fuck you want it to mean. That way dear leader can go to crowds of blue collar workers and stress the "socialist" aspects of the party platform, with a wink and a nudge to the uber-wealthy business elite, whom he really assures is really more of a "nationalist" party, intend on lining their pockets through military spending, and all that socialism business is just a cynical ploy for votes

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>why do people hate a totalitarian ideology that espouses genocide and was directly responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of people
Gee I dunno. Must be some Judeo-Bolshievik conspiracy.

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>>3082335

It's a foreign ideology that openly promotes the destruction of American values and the American way of life and usurping it with a despotic central government.

Whether you think they're evil or not, the nazis were intriguing. They had an audacious vision of the world that no one else dared to assert and that transgressed everything hitherto embraced as justified.

Frankly, it might have been something, but the batty anti-semitism, hostility to my home country, murder of white children (the majority of casualties in WWII were either white or asian), strange mystical and esoteric quackery, and subservience to a single leader put them over the line.

I would much rather go with Italian style fascism, or one of the more esoteric rarer brands, than nazism

Laffin at all these unironic posts.\

>>3083614
>They had an audacious vision of the world that no one else dared to assert and that transgressed everything hitherto embraced as justified.
Not entirely. Part of the reason the Nazis seem so horrific today is that the mindset of much of the world has become so different from what it was in the first half of the 20th Century.

WW1 would set many precedents the Nazis would follow or merely take to the next level:
>Forced relocations
>mass forced labor
>requisitioning supplies from occupied territories even while the locals were starving
>reprisals against civilians
While all of those were generally considered bad, they also weren't particularly heinous in times of war. Imperial Germany wasn't considered particularly evil after the war - just the standard "bad guy" - and most of what the Nazis did was merely taking things that were considered acceptable in WW1 and taking them to their logical extreme.

That's part of what made it so horrific - it didn't take too much of a logical leap at the time to justify those atrocities.

>>3083614
Well are you Italian yourself? Because if you are its only natural that you'd prefer Italian Fascism, it centers around you, your people and your history.

Being an American there really hasn't been a uniquely American form of Fascism and hopefully there will never be a need for one in this Nation although I'd be lying if I told you I'm not curious as to what it would look like

>>3083644
I see your point. I think the thing that horrifies some people about the nazis, was that they applied modern, advanced scientific and industrial methods like nobody else to the task of killing people who got in the way of their vision of Europe and the world. Plenty of people throughout history would have done the same if they were able. It was more of a matter of quantity over quality.

>>3083650
My ethnic heritage doesn't matter. Matter of fact with my background much of nazi ideology would embrace me.

I would love the nazis if they just pursued things that mattered to me on a scale that they pursued things I don't understand or strike me as crazy.

>Being an American there really hasn't been a uniquely American form of Fascism and hopefully there will never be a need for one in this Nation although I'd be lying if I told you I'm not curious as to what it would look like

As a fellow burger I have given this some thought as well. Some say Trump is a prototype for American fascism, but he lacks a particular seriousness and professionalism that a true fascist possesses. I think American fascism would be draped in Christian iconography, but would also have a unique flavor and adventurous twist on it American-style.

>>3083673
So a type of Christian Fascism that some within the Republican Party, (not the alt-right or the Trump faction), but like an evangelical Christian that preaches something along the lines of fascism? Pat Robertson?

>>3082405
Not everybody practices what they preach, Anon. Don't expect all followers to be fundamentalists in any sense of the word.

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>>3083673
I always figured that it would be something along the lines of Christian and Militaristic while embracing Manifest Destiny, I always felt that most patriotic Americans have a "Frontier Spirit"

I doubt there will be a racial component to it though, pic related is all too common in White Americans who have family going back to the Frontier Days

The real question op should have made is why are you not a Fascist since National-Socialism is merely germanized fascism.
also
>itt nobody knows anything at all about the ideology they're supposed to be talking about

>>3082335

It was also an economic system that relied on war production to provide goods and employment, dependent on the sociopolitical alienation of entire groups of people for a national identity, and the perpetuation of these objectives forever was the only way this could continue in any kind of sustainable way.

Nazism is the political equivalent of jumping the shark.

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>>3083688
>Christian Fascism that some within the Republican Party, (not the alt-right or the Trump faction), but like an evangelical Christian that preaches something along the lines of fascism? Pat Robertson?

Yeah, uhhh about that...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state

Also,

>Pat Robertson
>Fascist

Too much of a weakling for that Tbh. He may be batshit crazy, but he isn't really one for violence. He might be manipulated into helping an actual group of Fascists get into power, although they would be quick to kill him once he's no longer useful.

I don't like that it's almost inherently violent. It started in violence with the street battles in Weimar Germany, and the Beerhall Putsch and the Night of Long Knives, the glorification of the warrior spirit and the expansionism. It was really a caveman-ish, brutish sort of system in practice.

There are some interesting ideas behind it all, and I do enjoy romantic nationalism as much as any good populist right-winger, but ultimately war and political violence is not something I consider good things for humanity.

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>>3082335
>I'm not a /pol/tard and I am not a stormfag.
>Judeo-Bolsheviks that ruined Russia and ruin Germany
Yeah sure, not a stormcuck, whatever you say.

>>3083855
The evangelical wing of the Republican party doesn't believe in the separation of church and state, they only like the bits of the Constitution they agree with.

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>>3083886
>The evangelical wing of the Republican party doesn't believe in the separation of church and state

It's still an Institution that the overwhelming majority of Americans would rally to defend just as they would freedom of religion and the right to bear arms. They couldn't get rid of it that easily.

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>the Reich

>>3084000
The USA doesn't even practice separation of church and state.

>>3083405
Why, because he's not a white guilt cuckold like you?

>>3083112
Not everyone has autism

>>3083614
>audacious vision of the world that no one else dared to assert and that transgressed everything hitherto embraced as justified
what do you think they did that was even a little bit original? even the fucking svastika was ripped off.

>>3082335
Don't be a National Socialist be a Socialist Nationalist

>>3084194
>Projecting this hard
Don't you have a BLACKED video to be hate-masturbating too?

>>3083710
I think the Bioshock games (don't laugh) have made pretty interesting attempts at depicting distinctly Americanised fascism.

>>3082335
>>3084194
Stormniggers detected.

If Hitler won there would be no niggers in Europe.

>>3082335
It's socialist by name only and i hate nationalism

>>3083396
Loving the weak is for cucks and faggots.

Basically nothing good came from them. They weren't good even by their standards. They just made Germany waste twelve years of its history.

Their race autism led to the death of millions of civilians.
Their economic policy was retarded and basically needed war to sustain itself.
They weren't even that good at war as soon as the big boys stopped playing nice with them.

What enduring work of art came out of Nazism? What good literature? In cinema all I can recall is Leni Riefenstahl, anything else?

About the only thing positive I can say about the Nazis is that they dressed well and I like some of their architecture.

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>>3085906
There's something odd about the Germans, their ancestors help destroy one of the greatest civilizations on Earth and then spend the next hundreds of years trying to make their own and, usually, failing at it. Even with NatSoc I can't help but see some parallels in their architecture and art with the Romans, it wasn't even something uniquely German if you think about it. I'd hate to sound superstitious but it almost seems like a curse for the Germans (inb4 dA jOoS)

>>3085945
>Germans
That would apply to any Germanic tribe. Rome didn't fell because it was great, but because for most of its citizens, it wasn't.

>>3082347
The problem with national socialism is that it doesn't much have a philosophical or literary background like communism and capitalism. The person who started the movement was also the leader of that only government. He was the only national socialist to ever hold power, so every aspect of what we think about it comes from his regime. However Hitler wanted nothing to do with the "socialism" aspect of national socialism, and even blocked out the more socialist people like Strasser from the party. I think a leader that is socialist in a sense that it focuses on the nation and making it and the citizens strong wouldn't be bad. Separate national socialism from Nazis and and you may be able to make an appealing ideology.

>>3087171
Nazi Germany would have ended as soon as Hitler died. No one would be able to properly replace him and the country would eventually be ruled by some miltiary junta style government.

National Socialism is Hitler and Hitler is National Soclialism.

They performed well by exploiting others. It was in no way sustainable.

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>>3082335
Pic related

>>3087343
They looked no different than any other German Soldier during World War II especially the volkssturm.

>>3087171
We should remember that in that context all socialism meant was "doesn't want to bring back the monarchy".

>>3088138
I posted it because they are associating the Imperial German battleflag with national socialism.

>>3088175
Well that's the only way they can have their little rally because obviously in Germany and in some European countries it's illegal to fly the flag of Nazi Germany. So they use the Imperial flag to spout out their hatred

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>>3082335

Those monsters killed pic related and millions of other Jewish qts and in the name of what? To satisfy their murderous, autistic, worse-than-Alex Jones-tier conspiratorial paranoia and race crackpottery. Fuck them.

>>3083297
>>3083599

Also this^

Deo Vindice

>>3082335
>national """socialism"""

>>3088157
I've never heard such a thing, do you have any material on this?

>>3087203
Right, Nazism as we knew would live and die with Hitler no matter what. However, just like there are different types of communism practices, what about a different kind of national socialism?

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>Why do you hate National Socialism?

Because it is nothing of what you listed but rather a traitorous and murderous cancer that unfortunately was allowed to spread one time too much.

They installed a dictatorship in Germany.
They tried to destroy German culture and made thausands of Germans flee Germany.
They robbed Jews (of which 12,000 fell for their fatherland just 20 years earlier) of their civil rights.
They forbade any kind of opposition and even persecuted Christians.
They remilitarized Germany despite an economic crisis.
They started an unnecessary war that killed millions of their own people and far more of other nations.
They betrayed hundreds of thousands of German sick people in need and murdered them in cold blood.
They murdered hundreds of thausands of German and millions of foreign civilians just for their religious or ethnic affiliation.
They murdered everyone who came in their way brutally, going as far as decapitating adolescends for handing out leaflets opposing Nazism.

They were liers, deceivers, traitors, cowards and murderers. You shouldn't follow their ideology.

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>>3088306

This

The bastards also robbed Prussia of its traditional autonomy and ultimately caused its destruction.

>tfw no Prussia rebelling against the Third Reich's centralized tyranny-Texas style timeline

>>3082347
>They're also very much for slavery, which is a hell of a lot worse than usury.
If you enslave someone directly through physical force or indirectly through monetary dependency makes little difference.

>>3082349
>it attempts to subjugate the freedom of the individual by making the population slaves of the state
These freedoms of the individual are theoretical at best since they are not granted, they have to be bought. Is it worse to be slave to a state that acts in the common interest than slave of a Capitalist who acts in his own interest?

>>3088306
>They remilitarized Germany despite an economic crisis.
I mean the Weimar Republic was undergoing remilitarization as well, they just were a lot more secretive about it with weapons and vehicle tests being done in Russia to hide the trail. However that remilitarization was in the late 20s when Germany had recovered from Versailles and was a member of the league of nations before Black Tuesday.

>>3088321
>tfw no Prussia rebelling against the Third Reich's centralized tyranny-Texas style timeline
You must be living in a different timeline than me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preu%C3%9Fenschlag

>>3088330
I didn't say Germany shouldn't have no military back then, but the way the Nazis militarized was only sustainable through wars of conquest and robbing foreign countries.

>>3088336
*shouldn't have a military

>>3088332
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preu%C3%9Fenschlag

That's my point you dingus.

Prussia was the only part of Germany that still had anything resembling a remotely-functional democracy by 1932 and that son of a bitch von Papen destroyed it in one fell swoop. That would be the equivalent of Santa Anna deposing Stephen Austin and appointing his cronies to run the region directly.

>>3088327
I very much prefer paying taxes to being forced into slave labour in a factory somewhere, not knowing when my services will be thanked with a bullet in the back of my head.

>Is it worse to be slave to a state that acts in the common interest than slave of a Capitalist who acts in his own interest?
Are you implying nazis cared about the common interest?

>>3082486
The Jewish connection is real.

>>3088370
>That's my point
Then you haven't expressed yourself correctly because what you describe actually happened in your timeline.

>>3088374
>Are you implying nazis cared about the common interest?
Definitely more than Shlomo Goldbergstein.

>>3088489
So who's better for the common interest?
A group of people that minds it's own business and doesn't do anything wrong?
Or a group of people that destroys its own country and murders anyone they don't like?
Though question for sure

>>3088559
>Or a group of people that destroys its own country
The Nazis did not destroy their own country. Their enemies did.

>and murders anyone they don't like?
If they are detrimental to the common good, why not?

>>3082335
But I love it OP.
Noticing a lot of you lefties are shilling every board that isn't /pol/. I get why ya'll hate us, but these anti-/pol/fags seem to be way worse and more butthurt shills

>>3088588
Feel like we've seen a influx of Reddit Leftists.

>>3088585
Either read the previous posts
>>3088306
and read up on the topic or fuck off to your echochamber, the Nazis were traitors and murderers, get over it.

>>3088588
>>3088593
>e-everyone who isn't a stormfag is a leftist antifa redditor

Back to your containment board

>>3082335
Well, it's been tried exactly once. And that one time, it went completely apeshit and killed millions of innocent people. And was this an accident? No, it's pretty much baked into the nature of the concept. So you tell me, OP, why I'm against it. You tell me.

>>3084039
>The USA doesn't even practice separation of church and state.

You're going to have to substantiate this.

Because I'm 99% sure you're confusing the relationship of church and state with jurisprudence and precedent that protects free exercise.

While accomodationists can get out of control the US government has an obligation not just to abide by the establishment clause but also the free exercise clause.

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>>3088484

Except Prussians did not follow the example of their American cousins. They did not revolt, secede, or even threaten it as the Nazi Party stripped their homeland of its independence and rendered all of them servile to the government in Berlin. The 13 Colonies, the Vendee, United Ireland, Texas, and the Confederacy all raised entire armies in rebellion over far lesser perceived infringements on their right to self-governance.

>>3088636
>the Nazis were traitors and murderers, get over it.
Not an argument.

>>3088662
Germany has throughout history always been fairly good at dealing with revolutionary attempts.

>>3088742
Yes retard, it is an argument in a thread dedicated to the assessment of Nazism

>>3088767
Insulting the other party is not an argument.

>>3088742
Do you dispute that the Nazis were traitors and murderers? Or is it that you feel traitors and murderers have been unfairly maligned, and their value should be reassessed?

>>3082335
General fascism and you might have a point - strong collective identity, respect for national institutions, reverence for the better parts of tradition, etc. You can sell this. Hell, some might argue that this mode of government is very close to how Erdogan's operating and he has the support of the majority of Turks, for better or for worse.

But National Socialism is an autistic REEEEEEE that starts off with "Germans are superior because I say so" (ignoring the fact that prior to the late 19th century there never really was a cohesive Germany, except as the barbaric 'Other' in opposition to civilized Rome) and then proceeds with "and let's kill everyone else".

>proud German
There's your problem. It's like non-American converts to Mormonism: you're missing the fucking point.

Asking Frenchmen, Italians, Brits, Greeks, etc. to believe in Nazism is beyond ludicrous.

If you care about the white race at all you should despise Nazism, as it killed tens of millions of white people and destroyed European imperialism and white pride as a concept.

>>3088647
4chan is our board.>>3088651

>>3088824
You wish fag

>>3088809
How about you first elaborate on how they are traitors and murderers?

>>3088828
Have you ever heard of a man named Ernst Rohm, by chance?

>>3088327
>If you enslave someone directly through physical force or indirectly through monetary dependency makes little difference.
Spoken as someone who has, at most, only ever experienced the latter. Fucking idiot.

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>>3084524
This

>>3088830
So your problem is not the National Socialist ideology but the fact that they made their peace with the bourgeoisie?

>>3084524
What pill is this and how do I sign up

>>3083387
The political system described in the text in your image would be indistinguishable in practice from communist totalitarianism.

>>3088839
No, I'm not a fan of Rohm. But his death was objectively both betrayal and murder by the Nazis.

>>3088179
It's hatred to not be a white guilt faggot now?

>>3088839
Believe it or not, I believe that killing a political opponent in cold blood is murder whether or not I agree with the murdered man.

>>3088827
>>3088647
Why do you Anti white cucks actually believe /his/ is your safespace?

>>3082335
show me one(1) world war that it won, just one

>>3088854
Then why do you support antifa attacking people on the streets?

>>3088850
>>3088854
Different times. Also, we were talking about the ideology. Killing Roehm was not ideological in nature but a political decision.

>>3088851
>>3088859
>>>/pol/
Not being a neonazi does not mean that. Interestingly enough, people from all over the political spectrum hate neonazism; and on this site, apolitical people hate /pol/tards for the way you shit up any discussion, too.

>>3088859
Because racism is literally against the rules friendo, read the sticky

>>3088864
>not ideological in nature but a political decision.
It wasn't done out of principle, it was done as an act of Machiavellian practicality.
Wow, that makes me think so much better of it!

>>3082349
>National Socialism is just communism
Except for the privatization of industry, you know the single biggest thing communism stands against.

>>3088828
Taking away the freedom of the German people, installing a dictatorship, persecuting all kinds of opposition, betraying German Jews and German sick people, murdering hundreds of thausands of Germans, starting a war in which millions of Germans die, killing Germans who don't want to participate in said war, killing millions of Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Balts, Jews, Sinti & Roma etc.

Not hard to understand honestly
>>3088830
This is just what happens if you let authoritarians take power

>>3088863
I don't. Do you seriously not understand that not everyone who disagrees with you shares the same opinions?

>>3088859
Because of this >>3088866
I'm very pro-white, I just hate you faggots because you're autistic manchildren who hurt the cause by rallying everyone against you.

>>3088870
>It wasn't done out of principle
And thus it has nothing to do with the ideology itself.

>>3088866
>>3088869
Why do you anti white cucks think ( Leftists can't think for themselves) that /his/ is your safespace?

>>3085874
Then how did your parents conceive you?

>>3088880
What level of irony is this post on?

>>3088879
Don't bullshit yourself. The ideology is explicitly social Darwinist and might-makes-right. It directly encourages a Machiavellian policy of shamelessly lying to your political opponents, then dealing with them brutally as soon as the opportunity presents itself. Or do you think it's a coincidence that Nazi Germany's foreign policy follows such a course?

Gleichschaltung.

You can even see a semblance of it in your OP. That is, if you knew German. National Socialism teaches nothing but loyalty to the state, a state that'll end up exploting you regardless of how noble its ambitions originally were (they weren't).

>>3088880
ebin

>>3088883
Why do you hate white people?

>>3088895
There are no white people only shitskins and snowniggers

>>3088888
>(they weren't)
White guilt cuckold detected

>>3083398
You know... you can simply deny them government funds. You don't have to literally murder them. You fucking retard.

>>3088895
I do? I wasn't aware. It would be quite strange to hate myself.

>>3088874
>Taking away the freedom of the German people
A freedom that existed in theory.

>installing a dictatorship, persecuting all kinds of opposition
The problem with that being? It's all in line with Ludendorff's doctrine of Total War.

>German Jews
>German
>Jews
Choose one.

>German sick people
Eugenics were the fashion of the day and it was not limited to Germany.

>starting a war in which millions of Germans die
Opposed to what? Submitting to the rule of finance?

Pointing fingers at certain political decisions and decisions that were consequence of the strategic imperative does not contribute to a discussion about ideology.

Take a look at this for example: http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm

Is there anything wrong with this?

>>3088908
If it was in line with the doctrine of total war why did the nazis wait until they already lost to shift to a total war economy?

>>3088908
>tens of millions died
>but that's better than a few Jews having money!!!1
You're laughably stupid and clearly an American, as no European (even the Nazis) would use that argument.

>>3088895
Why do you hate white people?

>>3088908
>http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm
Hitler himself said that he doesn't care about this program. People who contributed to it never achieved high positions in his government. Others, such as Strasser were murdered by his thugs.

>>3083577
Yep... the German militarists let the nation get into an almost apocalyptically bad war, then fail to win it. After the war they go quiet for a bit... you'd think maybe they'd admit their failures and apologize. Nope, for the most part they don't. We wuz stabbed in the back! And hmm... what do you know, a few years later a populist movement appears. German militarism is back, but tribal and populist and with socialist rhetoric this time. With hookers and blackjack!

>>3088899
>anyone who disagrees with me is a cuck

>>3088920
Which is besides the point, since we are discussing the ideological foundation not the various actual decisions taken by people within a difficult political environment.

>>3088914
See >>3088928.

>>3088930
Communism is glorious in theory, that doesn't make it a good ideology. All that matters is what really happened.

>>3088932
Communism also has flaws embedded within the ideology itself.

>>3088928
Why the fuck would anyone care about how good something sounds in theory? It's a matter of taste whether you like a global "proletariat" police/world state better than a tribal warlord fuckfest, completely arbitrary.

>>3088935
which would only matter if they come up in the execution, theory serves the execution and irl nazism was dogshit.

>>3088940
>irl nazism was dogshit
It wasn't flawless but it was still preferable to nowadays' degeneracy.

>>3088939
>It's a matter of taste whether you like a global "proletariat" police/world state better than a tribal warlord fuckfest, completely arbitrary.
No, it's a matter of what is most agreeable with human nature.

>>3088908
You show a program which sounds nice, but the fact is that the Nazis murdered millions, it doesn't matter what you say, it matters what you do. And yes, there is an issue with installing a dictatorship, persecuting opposition and killing the defenseless.
Besides these Jews were absolutely German, which religion and nation do you belong to?

>>3088947
No because neoliberalism hasn't lead to the utter destruction of our countries, the death of much of the male population and the utter collapse of the national economy like nazism did.

>>3082335
Because it was a mistake of history. It's not even a real ideology. It's a mix of various ideas that were fashionable in late 19th and early 20th century, but in a more populist and vulgar form. Nothing about them appeals to me, it was a revolution of philistines. A revolution of barbarism, anti-intellectualism and populism.

>>3088947
Modern politics and society were greatly influenced by the WW2 experience so you can thank nazism for that. And yes, I do prefer the kind of world we live in today to what would happen if Germans had their way with us. But I guess to American /pol/ kiddies, it's hard to understand.

>>3088908
Number 3, for one. On both theoretical and practical grounds: you can't call upon the right to self-determination in point 1 and then demand colonies (thus denying natives the right to self-determination). Not to mention that Germany literally never had surplus population. It wasn't some European Bangladesh.

Number 4 has no basis other than their own ideology. Blood is an idiotic way to build a nation, especially in the days before genetic testing. Haplogroup autism that's prevalent here shows how very similar many European nations are when viewed via genetics, so that can't be an arbiter. As German blood isn't some magical material, it can only signify descent from previous Germans. Which means that at some arbitrary point you had to say "these are pure Germans, and these people right next door aren't and can never be". That's bordering on Judaism, pal, and their "sons of Isaac" stuff.

And that's just in the first five. I don't have time to go through all of them, but they're as idiotic as I imagined: a kernel of good ideas behind ten layers of bullshit.

>>3088959
>neoliberalism hasn't lead to the utter destruction of our countries, the death of much of the male population and the utter collapse of the national economy like nazism did.
That was not just a consequence of Nazism but most of all a consequence of the various other parties involved antagonising Nazism. Most Germans did not kill themselves but they died as a consequence of military action of foreign powers. The amount of Germans killed for political reasons is comparatively tiny.

>>3082349
Someone who had history in school? omg

>>3088973
Their leaders declared war on almost the whole Europe, and then on the USA.

>>3088973
Lmao.

Germany goes on the offensive, invades the rest of Europe, and then it's the other countries' fault for not wanting to be enslaved? For fighting back? Have you forgotten that Germany literally, undeniably, started WWII?

It was absolutely a consequence of Nazism. The Germans died because their government, following NatSoc principles, went on an idiotic rampage across Europe.

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>>3082335
>opposition to the Judeo-Bolsheviks that ruined Russia
...who were armed and funded by Germany

>It is not a white nationalist organization more it is a European idea that preaches love for the fatherland, the family, the country, and everything of what it means to be a proud German.
Is that why National Socialists started the worst war in human history and killed off half of Europe in the process?

>>3088973
It was. The economic policy and the ideology itself required germany to wage a suicidal war against the powers that be. If that is the logical endpoint of the ideology there is something seriously wrong with it.

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>>3082335
Look where that got you.

>>3088986
Thank you for reminding the thread that Lenin was literally a German plot to destabilize the Russian Empire.

There was no "Judeo" involved, it was all geopolitics (that ended up working TOO well).

>>3088972
>you can't call upon the right to self-determination in point 1 and then demand colonies
Why would I grant foreigners the same rights I demand for myself? Out of the kindness of my heart?

>Number 4 has no basis other than their own ideology. Blood is an idiotic way to build a nation
On the contrary. People are generally happier if they are among people that visibly resemble them. Having people of different races next door strains the national cohesion.

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>>3082335
>However I don't know why you hate National Socialism when it is a better alternative to communism and capitalism.
Fascism is. National Socialism is not.

>>3088981
>Their leaders declared war on almost the whole Europe, and then on the USA.
The US were already supplying their enemies. They were de-facto at war with them from the very beginning. And declaring war at Europe is a consequence of the geo-strategic disposition of Germany. It made military sense.

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>>3082335
>Stormfags are degenerate pieces of trash that would have no room in the Reich.

It is a mistake to think the National Socialists themselves weren't prone to degeneracy, because they absolutely were. Rohm was a homosexual, Hitler became addicted to amphetamines, Wessel enjoyed the company of prostitutes, Goering was disgustingly obese and spent immense resources on decadent sex orgies, because they absolutely were. Rohm was a homosexual, Hitler became addicted to amphetamines, Wessel enjoyed the company of prostitutes, Goering was disgustingly obese and spent immense resources on decadent sex orgies, Goebbels was an adulterer, and Dirlewanger was a convicted child molester.
So yeah, Hitler's inner circle was pretty fucked up. You had Göring the pill-popper, Heinrich "We wuz" Himmler, Reinhard Heydrich, and various sadists, perverts, and morally bankrupt sycophants. It's kind of amazing that they managed to be competent enough to seize power in the first place.

>>3088985
WW2 was a continuation of WW1; the strategic setup was exactly the same.

>>3089003
The ideology of the country that made the Allies' job easier just by being on Germany's side?

Aspects of it sound nice in theory but in practise it has been an even bigger disaster than the shitfest that is/was communism.

>>3088999
>Why would I grant foreigners the same rights I demand for myself? Out of the kindness of my heart?
Because otherwise there is no law. Otherwise you're the country equivalent of "or else".

You want to build an orderly community within your nation, based on shared values and agreed-upon rules, yes? But that inevitably fails, and always will, unless you act that way towards other nations.

If you go Germany First, Everyone Else Not Even Ranked the rest of the world has no reason to entreaty with you. A country that doesn't respect other countries will not be respected in turn.

In that circumstance, the only way to get what you want is through brute force. Overwhelming might to crush your enemies.

Only, you defined "everyone who isn't us" as your enemies. You can't possibly win against the world. So either you become a blowhard, a barking dog with a muzzle on, the laughing-stock of the world with your empty threats and false promises, or you actually go ahead and try to take what you want by force.

And lose. Always, in any scenario, lose.

That's exactly what happened IRL. This isn't a fault of bad decision-making, it's a fault of the ideology itself.

If you antagonize the entire world, you become the preeminent threat, and you get Communists and Capitalists on the same side because you're that much of an idiot.

>>3089009
But not the political setup. Weimar Germany was not isolated. Germany between 1924-1929 was considered a good reliable partner. I bet the Western powers sooner or later would have forced Poland to give up Danzig if not for the Nazis.
Locarno is a good example of how they treated Germany.

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>>3088908
>Opposed to what? Submitting to the rule of finance?
>Ignoring the Fact they Still submitted to the Rule of Finance due to how shit their economy was.

>>3082335
>opposition to the Judeo-Bolsheviks that ruined Russia and ruin Germany.
Nazis did more to ruin Germany than DE JEWZ ever did

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I don't consider idiot LARPing to be a real ideology

>>3088947
>It wasn't flawless but it was still preferable to nowadays' degeneracy.
So which one are you, a sociopath or a retard who doesn't comprehend what happened during Nazi Germany? Or both?

>>3088947
Yes, I'm sure you would love it if they came to the mental hospital to kill your poor retarded brother in a eugenics program, or if they shot you in the back of the head for writing something critical of the government.

>>3088999
>Why would I grant foreigners the same rights I demand for myself? Out of the kindness of my heart?
Why would anyone grant you the right to self-determination if it included opression of others?

>On the contrary. People are generally happier if they are among people that visibly resemble them. Having people of different races next door strains the national cohesion.
Oh yes, because you can tell an Austrian from a Czech or Slovene and a North German from a Dane or Dutchman. You've got some narrow race definition.

>>3089052
Presumably someone who doesn't live in the lands Hitler reserved for Germans.

>>3089006
Yeah, it made military sense to go ahead and invade Poland when one of the world's three most powerful states was telling you they would declare war if you did so, and they had been getting very buddy-buddy with one of the world's other two most powerful states for the last decade or so. Great military sense.

>>3089056
>DUDE WHE SHOULD LET LEFT THEM WLL IN INNISHALLAH LMAO
Kill yourself, leftypol

>>3089065
WW2 was a continuation of WW1 and they were under the impression that the war could be won through maximisation of the tactical potential. They most of all misjudged the Soviet potential, but things were by no means as apparent as they look in hindsight.

>>3089006
>declaring war on an entire continent made military sense
Kys

Why did no one bother Franco, another right-wing autocrat? Because he wasn't a suicidal moron who called on the genocide of all his neighbors.

Had Hitler left the rest of Europe alone, Europe would have left him alone. Hell, it's possible, had he had smarter and less ideologically exclusive propaganda, that he could have positioned the Reich as defenders of European civilization and the traditional way of life against the Red Menace, and gotten Western support, a la Operation Unthinkable.

He chose to go against the world. There was no wisdom or necessity in that.

>>3089028
>Because otherwise there is no law. Otherwise you're the country equivalent of "or else".
"or else" is the basis of any kind of international law.

>>3089071
You don't know what you're talking about, or how to talk, apparently.

>>3089079
not an argument

>>3089074
Backtrack to 1939. How is it not fucking apparent that getting into a war with the fucking British Empire was a bad idea, especially when they had been getting buddy-buddy with their former colonies across the Atlantic?

>>3089077
Yes, when there is international consensus on enforcement. "Obey the rules, or we gang up on you".

The inverse, what he's asking - "I'm deciding what the rules are, everyone else obey or else I war you, k?" - could not and didn't work.

>>3089082
Neither was your post, so I feel no reason to reply to babbling with an argument.

>>3089075
It's amazing the lengths stormtards will go to in order to try to justify Hitler's fatal mistake. Their need to see Hitler as some strategic genius betrays their protests about how there is supposedly some version of NatSoc independent of Hitler-worship.

>>3089075
Do you not understand that Spain is in a different geo-strategic disposition than Germany? Germany is in the middle of Europe and completely indefensible. If you're Germany and your neighbours are not your allies then you have no other choice.

>>3089090
This has nothing to do with Hitler. Hitler was not the primary architect of how the war was fought.

>>3089082
Polfags 101:

>AUTISTIC SCREECHING KYS KYS KEK
>"You're retarded"
>NOT AN ARGUMENT KYS KEK LEFTYPOLL REDDIT

Everytime.

>>3089094
He was the primary axis architect of how it was lost, however

>>3089094
>Hitler was not the primary architect of how the war was fought.
He made every crucial decision on the German side and was the one who decided to continue the invasion of Poland after the British gave their ultimatum and told him that they would declare war if he did not pull his armies out.

>>3089094
>not your allies
Because you explicitly antagonized every single one.

A smart Hitler would have made overtures to France and Britain to stop the Soviet Union, and then ended up with a Capitalist-Fascist Cold War instead of partitioned. The only reason the USSR and the Allies worked together was because Hitler was a bigger threat.

Flip the script, position yourself as a long-run threat willing to work together against the immediate revolutionary danger, and you buy yourself time and influence to get a decent position post-WWII. Like the Soviets did.

>>3089095
You literally want unlimited non white immigration into Europe

>>3089084
Germany had already been at war with the British Empire during WW1 and Germany held out on its own well enough. Britain most certainly was not their primary concern in WW2.
What were they supposed to do after France was beaten? The real problem was not Britain but Soviet Russia. That was however something Germany could have hardly foreseen, since Russia had been beaten militarily in WW1. The US mostly contributed economically to the war, and arguably Russia would have had a hard time without American lend-lease support, but things were not nearly as clear-cut as you try to paint them.

>>3089107
I've literally never said anything of the sort. a) I'm not the poster you replied to, and b) the discussion was about COLONIES.

Our sane and rational stance is you don't get to say the Germans deserve unification on the basis of self-determination if you then go and conquer other lands and oppress the locals, therefore explicitly denying them that self-determination.

Your diseased mind is the one who brought up Muslims, immigration or anything of the sort. In fact, if you had three functioning brain cells, you'd realize we'd agree with you: the incoming population has no right to oppress the local (European) population.

I'd tell you to stop reading exclusively pol and Breitbart because the real world is 100% different from what you believe but I genuinely don't care about you either way.

>>3089097
>>3089106
The strategic setup followed WW1. There is nothing Hitler could have done to change that. It is complete lunacy to think that Hitler could have swayed France and Britain to his side.

>>3089100
Why would he care about a British ultimatum? They were going to continue WW1.

>>3089120
So you don't know anything about history or politics.

Not to mention that your historical determinism is literally Marxist. Not as an insult, that whole "history had to follow a certain path" is actual Marxist dogma.

>>3089111
Germany Lost the War with the Soviets the Minute Operation Barbarossa failed. Everything that came after was Germany trying to delay the inevitable.

>>3089120
It would be complete lunacy to completely ignore hitler's large personal input in causing the failing of Germany's war effort.
nevertheless this is not a thread about that.

>>3089106
>A smart Hitler would have made overtures to France and Britain to stop the Soviet Union, and then ended up with a Capitalist-Fascist Cold War instead of partitioned. The only reason the USSR and the Allies worked together was because Hitler was a bigger threat.
Fucking this. Such a scenario could potentially have been in play, but Hitler didn't want to play ball with the other powers.
Yet again, stormtards insist on making excuses for Hitler's geopolitical mistake. And of course, the only real way to excuse that mistake is to insist that the other powers were going to attack Germany one way or another. Even though the British and French publics were war-weary. Even though Stalin was extremely cautious and only picked on little countries.

>>3089071
I have no idea what your post is supposed to convey and how it relates to my post.

>>3089125
Again: you must be out of your mind to believe Hitler could have convinced France and Britain to back his position.

>>3089128
This was however something that could not be easily foreseen. Russia was not considered as big of a threat as it turned out due to the WW1 experience of the people in charge where Russia performed rather poorly. Under normal circumstances the involved parties would have met and discussed peace terms had it not been for two totalitarian ideologies in charge.

>>3089111
Germany was also not as strong relative to other powers as it had been in 1914, and the strength of the US much more apparent than it had been in 1914.

>>3089148
>you must be out of your mind to believe Hitler could have convinced France and Britain to back his position.
Sure he could have. He just had to:
1) Not be a totalitarian psycho to his own people
2) Not be a threat to the rest of Western Europe, and their small nation allies in Central Europe
If he had done those two things, I see no reason why France and England would not have worked with him against Stalin

>>3088871
Hardly privatisation when the biggest contractor is the state and the state is constantly interfering in the workings of the free market in the "interests of the people"

>>3089120
>It is complete lunacy to think that Hitler could have swayed France and Britain to his side.
France sacrificed its own ally (Czechoslovakia) to avoid war. Britain always supported Germans - in Versailles, during the Ruhr Crisis, during Locarno, in 1926...

Stop making it look like Germany was hated by other European powers. It wasn't.

>>3089143
Not a dumb nazi, but I feel like it must be mentioned that the british grand strategy was having The Nazis and the Communists destroy each other without themselves fighting. That failed when Molotov Ribbentrop was signed

>>3082335
>I'm not a /pol/tard and I am not a stormfag.
>goes on to talk about "Judeo-Bolshevism"
You may not be aware that you're one, but you definitely are a /pol/ retard or stormfag.

>>3089149
>Germany was also not as strong relative to other powers as it had been in 1914
Not necessarily. Germany had learned from WW1 and in terms of tactics they were more advanced than their adversaries. Obviously, a tactical advantage is only temporary at best, but Germany managed to beat France - which they could not do in WW1. I am inclined to agree that Imperial Germany had a better chance to win WW1 than Nazi Germany had when it comes to winning WW2 but it was not that clear cut - and most certainly not apparent to the protagonists of WW2. Any claims of that kind are hindsight.

>>3089168
That's military strength. An astute observer would have realized that the enormous economic disparity between Germany and a combined US-UK alliance would mean that Germany pretty much automatically lost any war if the US threw its weight behind the UK. And at the same time there was a powerful Soviet state to consider on the other front...
A clear analysis would have revealed to any unbiased person that getting into an actual war would be, for Germany, like dealing from a deck of cards only a few of which represented German victory, and the majority of which represented German defeat.

>>3089113
>breitbart and pol are bad
>but leftypol and Huffington post are okay
This is what the anti white left actually believes

Cont. What Hitler should have done:
1) Best of all: stay non-hostile with all
2) Second-best: either ally with the West against the Soviets, or ally with the Soviets against the West, and stay in that alliance
3) What Hitler did: ally with the Soviets and get in a war with the West, then attack the Soviets without having won the war with the West first

>>3089113
I think you might be arguing with a literal madman.

>>3089156
>I see no reason why France and England would not have worked with him against Stalin
Because it is not in the interest of France or Britain. Germany by its very existence alone makes it a threat to France and Britain. Why would they side with Germany and alienate Russia which otherwise allowed them to put Germany in check? Russia is not a primary threat to them - Germany is - a very existential threat, in particular to France.

>>3089165
> I feel like it must be mentioned that the british grand strategy was having The Nazis and the Communists destroy each other without themselves fighting.
Source? And at what point did this become their grand strategy?

>>3089165
>Not a dumb nazi
But a "smart" nazi?

Kill yourself shitlord.

>>3089196
Germany was an important economic partner of both France and Britain during the 20s and 30s, whereas the Soviet Union was an economically isolated bloc that didn't produce much worth trading anyway. France and Britain would have been fine working with Germany if Germany did not present them with obvious reasons for concern.

>>3089201
No nazis should kys themselves
Hitler was retarded in believing in that he could get an anglo german alliance.

>>3089185
I never said HuffPo is fine. I never said leftypol is fine. You suffer from some delusion that anyone who isn't with you is automatically for the other extreme.
You're on a whole different track of conversation. You're arguing with some imaginary strawman because you can't actually articulate or defend your positions against a normal person.


I'm beginning to think >>3089192 is right, you're mentally ill.

Nothing sadder than a 20-something year old unironically using the word degenerate

>>3089181
>An astute observer would have realized that the enormous economic disparity between Germany and a combined US-UK alliance would mean that Germany pretty much automatically lost any war if the US threw its weight behind the UK.
I would argue that this is again a hindsight position. The German generals held the belief that through superior tactics alone they could stand against economic superiority. And it's not like they had no basis for this belief - these are people who held out many years on French soil against the might of both France and the British Empire. They were wrong in the end: WW2 was decided by industrial potential rather than tactical potential, but things were not nearly as apparent.

>>3089219
I literally cannot imagine anyone who is happy with his sex life unironically using that word.

>>3089219
Nothing sadder than shitposting from your cuckshed while Jamal ravages your gf.

>>3089222
You might be a brainlet then. Nice trips though.

>>3089228
My gf is not my property, she can sleep with whomever she wants. It's just sex, what matters is whom she really loves.

>>3089220
But the German generals were largely not enthusiastic about war, at least not the older less Nazi-loving ones. They perceived things relatively clearly. It was the Nazis who wanted war more than the generals, and Hitler who decided on it.

>>3089232
top cuck

>>3089228
Rather strange how obsessed you people are with this "black guy fucks somebody's girlfriend" scenario. I've met some freaky people in my life, but I've still to this day never met anyone who thinks about this scenario other than /pol/tard types.

>>3089233
That depends. There certainly were quite a few among them who were eager to continue where they left off in WW1. The idea that it was all Hitler's fault who forced poor Germans into WW2 does not characterise historical reality. Obviously one also needs to be cautious when it comes to post-war memoirs as the survivors tried to portray themselves in a good light.

>>3089237
better than a virgin like yourself, lol

>>3089238
I'll admit that the idea that some lefty limp wristed faggots like yourself allow their gfs to fuck low IQ black men while you watch both horrifies and fascinates me.

>>3089251
Are you that dude who assumes that everyone who disagrees with him is a leftist, or are you just some other dude who shares that delusion?

>>3089215
>the anti white left cuck calling anyone else mentally ill
I'm not the one who worships zionism and black supremacists, unlike you

>>3089262
All leftists are the same

>>3089243
They may have been eager, but my understanding is that most of them were smart enough to understand how risky a war would be, and to understand that success was not the most likely outcome. It's not like it would have taken a genius to realize this. Germany had remilitarized in secret and still had a relatively wimpy and untested military. And keep in mind that almost nobody had any idea back then how weak France would turn out to be. But Nazi fanaticism overrode caution for enough people that Hitler could get to the point of starting the war.

>>3089270
Are you retarded?

>>3089270
So... let me see... do you define everyone who does not follow National Socialism to be a leftist?

>>3089276
I define any tp be a anti white cucks like you to be a leftist

>>3089263
So you're actually retarded, good to know.

>>3089290
>I'm retarded for not being a deluded SJW like you
This is what leftypol actually believes

>>3089270
Apparently if you're not a nazi, you're a leftist. Did I get that right? Is that what you, fucking retard that you are, are trying to say?

kill yourself, desu

>>3089285
Please explain what makes you think that I am an "anti white cuck". Include quotes from comments that you believe I have made. If you're not sure whether I'm the author of a given comment, ask me and I'll tell you.

>>3089228
You need a gf to get cucked by jamal anyway so don't worry

>>3089306
>>3089310
>>3089290
Give up, people, he's either insane or trolling you. Either way there's no use in addressing him further.

>>3089318
True. Problem is, nowadays it's hard to tell who's trolling from who's legitimately that deep into /pol/'s version of Scientology.

>>3089310
Don't bother, you entered their bizarro world. Prepare to reap the whirlwind.
I prefer to laugh at how BTFO the nazis were because that really really seems to upset them

>>3089320
>>3089318
Why do you leftists think anyone who literally doesn't fantasize of being killed by BLM as being an insane nazi?

>>3089318
>>3089320
Someone shoudl've told him that acting retarded is not trolling.

>>3089332
How is not being an anti white leftists considering retarded?

>>3089334
Shut the fuck up /pol/tologist(that's what I'm calling you from now on)

This thread was more fun when there were stormtards actually making some semblance of rational argument. I guess those dudes just admitted defeat and forgot to tell the "if you are not Nazi you are a leftist" retard that they were leaving.

>>3089335
Why do you leftists want to shut down the opposition?

>>3089340
>admitting to defeat
This is what anti white cucks actually believe

Damn it, come back Nazis! It was fun beating the shit out of your arguments.

>>3089340
This happens. Every. Single. Time. They're in too deep to realize how embarrassing they are.
>>3089341
dance, monkey, dance!

>>3089344
>>3089344
>>3089347
Why is this leftypol shill samefagging?

>>3089347
Yep. I've seen it happen here before. On /pol/ they can sort of overwhelm you with sheer numbers, but whenever they have to argue with equal numbers of people who actually have a decent grasp of history, they get BTFO and flee.

>>3089350
this is what /pol/tologists actually believe

>>3089352
You leftists literally haven't posted a single argument ITT

>>3089347
Some of them are probably used to arguing against ignorant leftists who never read anything except for books assigned in class and leftist propaganda. They have no concept of people who actually know what they're talking about calling them out on their bullshit.

>>3089350
Look at the number of posters retard he isn't samefagging

>>3089360
>the SJW is a newfag
What a surprise

>>3089356
I'm sorry that we don't speak in dogwhistles

>>3089361
>not being a Nazi means I'm an SJW
You have to go back

>>3089362
>the anti white left SJW still won't address the issue
Wow "btfo", i hate my own race now

>>>/leftypol/

>>3089367
I'm not tipping you for dancing more like this you know

When /pol/ sends their people, truly they do not send their best.
For shame.

>>3089365
>>3089373

Why do subhuman leftists want a safespace?

>>3089370
>the sjw still doesn't have a single argument
Wow, I wish i could be such a Supreme gentleman as you, comrade

>>3089377
>>3089386
Can you post in anything else than sectspeak?

>>3089389
You subhuman leftists invented id pol, just look how you label anyone who doesn't believe your propaganda as stormfront or /pol/

>>3089377

>have an entire website and board on another website to themselves
>screams about safe spaces when someone disagrees with them

What did stormnonces mean by this?

>>3089397
I'm not taking you seriously until you stop the sectspeak you know, until then you're just another monkey

>>3089397
I call them stormfags and /pol/tards, by which I don't mean necessarily people from Stormfront or /pol/, but rather just those types of people.

>>3089398
You're talking about leftypol, revleft, reddit, Tumblr, and leftypol right?

>>3089401
Why do you want a safespace?

>>3089405
Are you literally a computer algorithm?

>>3089403

>implying stormniggers don't have dozens of other websites tweaked to every flavour and subgroup within stormniggerdom

>>3089411
>the puny leftist can't name any of them
Hmmm

>>3089410
No, i definitely know you're a shill though

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>>3083112
By not being a weak willed individual?

>>3089428
Then why do you keep repeating it as some religious mantra?
Is it because your entire strategy is spouting dogwhistles? Yes probably unless you can prove that wrong

>>3089449
Because i know that you leftist haven't a anything to say, and you definitely don't want to learn anything. All I can donis make sure is you can't turn /his/ into your leftypol colony

>>3089420

/pol/
Stormfront
White Rabbit Radio
Radio Free Northwest
Combat 18/Blood and Honor
Daily Stormer
Vanguard News
/pol/

Etc etc

>>3089461
>most if not all of them are white nationalist, not natsoc

Why do leftists keep btfoing themselves?

>>3089458
Go on, write something meaningful so we all take the red pill, re-think our communist ways and denounce judaism.

>>3089458
You're embarrassing and not even self aware

>>3089468
>white nationalist, not natsoc
Is there a difference?

>>3089469
Also our Islam, our atheism, and our homosexuality.

>>3089473
>white nationalism is bad
>but black nationalism is fine
Why are all Leftists anti white cucks?

>>3089468

>it's not my exact flavor of stormcuntery so it doesn't count

>>3089479
I'm a nationalist conservative so I wouldn't know. And I am white but I don't see how that fits in with my nationalist beliefs. I keep hearing about white nationalism from the same Hitler-loving crowd so I'm not sure where the difference is.

>>3089479

>not an answer to the question
>things said by no one in this thread

Wow, it's almost like you can only repeat slogans or something...

>>3089471
>if you don't hate your own race you're embarrassing yourself
This is what leftypol shills actually believe

>>3089469
He's trying to nuke the thread with dogwhistles to stiffle any discussion, otherwise he would have made an argument the last few times he was asked. Just mock him. This thread is going down anyway now.

>>3089490
Monkeys like you belong in a zoo

>>3089484
>I'm a nationalist conservative so I wouldn't know. And I am white but I don't see how that fits in with my nationalist beliefs.
Why is this leftypol shill pretending tp be everything they want to destroy?

>>3089492
>mock him for not being an sjw
You leftists are so pathetic

>>3089492
With the kind of OP this thread started off with, it was going down from the start.

>>3089497
Can you answer my question or are you too mentally deficient to do so? I hope I'm not asking too much of you, little one.

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>>3082335
i don't. i just don't like the people who think it has a place outside of post ww1 hyper inflation germany.

>>3089482
What's wrong with being a white nationalist?

Why should i be an anti white cuck like you

>>3089490

>asking why someone is incapable of forming any kind of argument, is hating your own race

Again, slogans and nothing more.

>>3089499
shut the fuck up kool-aidman

>>3089507
It's not a slogan of its true, you leftists hate white people

>>3089506

Because it turns otherwise normal human beings and it turns them into morons with a persecution complex who can only communicate in passive-aggressive buzzwords and slogans?

>>3089515
Hold up, what do you even think slogan means? Do you understand basic words?

>>3089503
>>3089516
>you're a moron if you don't want to personally kill all white people
Also Why do leftists cuckolds worship black nationalism then?

>>3089524
fuck off with the dogwhistles already nobody is biting

>>3089520
He really doesn't, does he?
>>3089524
Kek, you sound like you learned literally 100% of what you think you know about politics from reading /pol/. You barely pass the Turing test.

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MUH RACE

>>3089524
Okay, I guess that's a no, then. Do your parents know you're posting on an imageboard meant for ages 18+?

>>3089524

>gets told he can only communicate in slogans and buzzwords
>responds with slogans and buzzwords

I hate the meme, but, is it autism?

>>3089540
It's kool-aid, which is worse

>>3089536
>you're underage if you don't hate your own race race
This ie what leftypol shills actually believe

>>3089544
You still haven't answered my question...

>>3089544
>race race
I think the algorithm is breaking

>>3089546
You haven't asked a question worth answering, leftypol

>>3089543

I'm actually leaning towards someone doing a ridiculously over the top impression of a stormfag, but you can never tell these days.

>>3089557

>"What is the difference between National Socialism and White Nationalism" isn't a question worth answering

Good to know.

>>3089561
>>3089543
You anti white cucks still haven't answered my question, why do you worship black supremacists?

>>3089561
>over the top
lol

>>3089568
The only one who brought up black supremacists in this thread was you. I don't care if that's your obsession but it's a bit of a weird one, honestly.

>>3089573
All you cucks seem to do is cry about white supremacists, explain that to me.

>>3089576
I can't remember any of my posts pertaining to white supremacists

>>3089576

White supremecists keep swarming over otherwise vaguely decent boards and shut all over it and try and turn it into /pol/2.

>>3089568
I'm not taking part in your sexual fantasies bro

>>3089580
>says the leftpol shill
You faggots have been trying to make /his/ your safespace from day one

>>3089587
You have a vocabulary of ten words

>>3089587

>people who turned an entire board into their safe space, crying about other people trying to set up a safe space on a different board

Pottery

>>3089589
Why would i put in effort when you shills l like you have already been indoctrinated to hate your own race?

>>3089597
I agree about what your saying about leftypol, revleft, and reddit

>>3089587
This is the board for the discussion of history and humanities. For crying about muh joo conspiracy and how Hitler dindu nuffin, moot created a containment board (or "safe space" as you like to put it) for that very purpose.
>>>/pol/

>>3089604

>WAAAAAHHHH! OTHER PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO EXIST!!!!!!:The Post

>>3089606
Wow, you SJW faggots are really new, during the Q/A he said /lgbt/ and /mlp/ were the containment boards

>>3089608
Dude, you're the one crying for a leftist safespace

>>3089614

>>3089377

Seems like the only one obsessed with safe spaces is you.

>>3089604
Why do you spout irrelevant sectspeak you /pol/tologist?

>>3089619
You're the one who wants to ban non leftypol approved discussions, leftypol

>>3089640
Actually this thread had actual discussion until you started nuking it with sectspeak

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I have not read extensively enough to make a true discussion of Nat Soc or Fascism in general, but I do follow Evolas line of thought, and respect the idea of a "unified country under one race" for the sake of removing ethnic conflict and promoting traditional values on the basis of unity.

>>3082335
It's not for anything, it's just against other things. It stifles debate, artistic expression, and ungodly authoritarian. Good enough for you.

>>3090532
>traditional values

Nuff said.

>>3090697
Do you mean totalitarian?

>>3090767
What do you mean?

>>3088880
I think you should go back to /pol/ or the_Donald on reddit faggot.

>>3090768
both

>>3091117
Authoritarianism is inherently bar?

>>3091198
Fuck yeah it is

>>3091275
And why is that? Explain please.

>>3091350
Authoritarians will eventually just abuse power and surround themselves with yes men. Will not listen to contrarian viewpoints and will always think they are right. Plus it just leads to suffering of many people.

>>3091400
Democracies will eventually just abuse power and surround themselves with yes man voters that change the status quo towards liberation and individualism, fracturing traditional societies. They will not listen to contrarian viewpoints and will always think they are right. Plus it just leads to the suffering of many people due to the short sighted thinking of the mob.

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>>3091415
that's because traditional societies were built around collective denial and arbitrary social etiquette

Liberating ourselves from the yokes of murderously superstitious land barons is what put humanity on an accelerating tract to shared prosperity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbhFdjiPe6w
Notice how the guy preserving "traditional culture" is just a glorified salesman who gets his ass kicked in a straight up fight?

>>3091639
>murderously superstitious landbarons
You argue from historicism's sake as if history and progress makes an invetitable right. And how is prosperity linked the material? Is that all mankind is worth in your opinion? If so, then what do you think of the fact that the material universe itself will eventually end, destroying all of this progress in a single sweep, making all of this material "progress" meaningless?

As to the video, you do realize their is a difference between Tradition and traditionalism, correct? Traditionalism implies adherence to older forms for the sake of continuity, and has no basis in Tradition, even if they overlap at times. Just because the Chinaman is using "tradition" to sell his wares does not make him a follower of Tradition.

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>>3091660
>And how is prosperity linked the material?
Very easy question to ask for someone who lives in an age of such abundance that overeating is a larger problem among the poor than undereating, an age where losing your child is a very rare tragedy, not a common occurrence. An age where you never have to worry about some overambitious Duke ripping your country to pieces for the sake of sitting on a slightly more important chair, or where your government's solution to the problem of a plague outbreak isn't just getting all the really important people out of there as quickly as possible and ignore everyone else.

By ignoring the material conditions of humanity you are willfully turning a blind eye to repressive or undesirable living conditions created by them, and in essence supporting the return of mass-repression for the sake of preserving something completely arbitrary. Liberating ourselves from people who thought this way finally brought about decent living conditions for the 99% of the population which was previously treated like surplus population, by a government who wasn't held accountable to anyone but its stakeholders.

> ll of this material "progress" meaningless?
About the same thing as I think of my own death; that doesn't mean that I should be content with shitty living conditions just so fancy land-owners can have dick-measuring contests.

> Tradition and traditionalism, correct?
It's all marketing gimmicks to get nostalgic rubes like you to buy into their mystical bullcrap from yesteryear, like that old timey stereotype of the slick salesmen from the city selling slightly bigger sticks to bickering families of backwoods country bumpkins, each time upping the game and profiting from both sides wanting a bigger stick than their rivals.

Those who fix reason as the sole arbiter of prudent decision-makings prefer efficient, sustainable utility over ritual, superstition, and blind obedience to potentially obsolete traditions.