>arab swords were straight before the seljuks Holy Shit

>>3080465
[spoiler]
>curved
>swords

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SWORDS

>>3080465
Well, the Seljuks aren't Arabs (they're Turks), so it's not surprising they have different swords.

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>>3080465
Aryan inspiration.
They were a very inspiring people having came from so far and bringing with them so much.

>>3080465
A sword is straight (or symmetrically curved) and double-edged, a saber is curved asymmetrically and single-edged.
Most languages made this distinction before English people became retarded and started using "sword" instead of "blade" and other terms.

>>3080569
Oh and let's not forget how they went doubly retarded and called their straight energy blades "lightsabers", allegedly because it's used like a fencing sabre (no)

>>3080465
Why were their hilts curved though?

>>3080465
is one better than the other?

>>3080569
>North Frisian swird
>West Frisian swurd
>Dutch zwaard
>Low German Sweerd, Schwert
>German Schwert
>Danish sværd
>Swedish svärd
>Icelandic sverð
>"English is retarded for using "sword""

kill yourself

>>3080569
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makhaira

Yes, it's all the fault of that dirty english language.


That's not even getting into leaf balded swords, which were incredibly common for centuries.

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Did something change in middle-eastern warfare that explains this switch, or was it just mimicry ?

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>>3081215
>leaf-balded swords
That's "symmetrically curved".

>Makhaira
It's a weapon, comparable to a machete or maybe a dao (which is a saber, compare the jian. East Asian languages are probably the most anal about the sword/saber distinction)
Xiphos are swords. Obviously they differentiated between the two. What of it?

>>3080984
>Angles and their neighbors
Well my bad, it's Germanics who are retarded, although French uses the words properly.
Also bizarrely, while the German wiiki page for Schwert claims that "a sword can be single-edge or double-edged, straight or curved" only actual swords are shown, all straight except for one leafed bronze sword.
It also has this picture of "Verschiedene Schwerter", all proper swords.

>>3081239
They got TURKED

>>3081311
>uses the words properly.
You're aware that sabres are a somewhat recent invention compared to other forms of sword, and most of western Europe didn't get them until the 18th century, right?

Not everyone is autistic about classifications as you are. Most people see (and in the past, saw) sabres as a distinct kind of sword, because "sword" is a very vague category that every kind of long-bladed weapon had been called in the past.

>>3081396
My point is that "most people" outside of Northwestern Germanic Europe did make the distinction. East Asians made the distinction between 剣 and 刀. Latin people (at least the French, Spanish, Italians) made the distinction between épée/espada/spada and sabre/sable/sciabola. Same for the Russians and presumably other slavs who have Meч and Шaбля. Greeks and Romans certainly understood the types of makhaira/machaera and sica were different from the xiphos, gladius and other spathe. Indians have the khanda and the talwar, dating back to antiquity. Central Asians apparently had the opposite problem where the only had curved one-edged weapons initially (kilij and yatagan), but okay. Southeast Asia, with its diversity of bladed weapon, just notes one-edged and double-edged blades (and Indonesian for example does have just one word for all "swords", pedang)

>>3081534
It should be noted that most of these had a separate category for knives though.

>>3080544
>Aryan inspiration

Doesn't look like the blade persians used.

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>>3082838
But it kinda does?

>>3081239
Turkish peoples became, first, the main source of fighting men and, later, the main source for incredibly cruel and belligerent rulers (and fighters).

In the centuries before that the turkish style of sword was known but not used due to cultural prejudice and traditionalism.

>>3080569
But is the distinction made in other languages including the one of the culture in question?
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D8%B3%D9%8A%D9%81#Arabic
http://aramaicnt.org/2012/10/20/he-who-lives-by-the-sword-2/

>>3083047
He's just being autistic. Sabers being a kind of sword, or swords being a kind of saber, is pretty much universal. The difference is only emphasized when necessary.

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>>3080465
>Medieval period muslims using crescent banners and flags.

>>3083047
>But is the distinction made in other languages including the one of the culture in question
Nigger I spent an entire post discussing other languages
>>3081534
Since you're too lazy to read, yes, East Asian, Romance and Slavic languages all make the distinction at the very least.

>>3083066
>Sabers being a kind of sword, or swords being a kind of saber, is pretty much universal.
Wrong, go kill yourself.

>>3083102
>Nigger I spent an entire post discussing other languages

Did you read his fucking links? They got no problem translating macharia for sword.

>>3083102
To clarify, most languages either have a word for "bladed weapons like swords and sabers" (east asian 刀剣/刀劍) or simply see them as two distinct categories of melee weapons along with daggers, cleavers, polearms etc ("white weapon" arme blanche/arma blanca/etc in Latin languages, broń biała in polish, german and russian/ukranian have both Blankwaffe/бíлa збpóя "white weapon" and kalte Waffe/Хoлóднa збpoя "cold weapon") German and Russian/Ukrainian also have the middle category of Klingenwaffe/Клинкoвoe opyжиe (bladed weapons), recently adopted as "edged weapons".

And some languages are apparently fine calling a saber a sword, which is like saying a fork is a type of spoon because they don't have a proper term for cutlery. But calling a dagger a saber or a knife a sword is apparently a faux pas, go figure.

>>3083155
>They got no problem translating macharia for sword.
Of course they had no problem translating macharia as word IN ENGLISH since a fucking saber can be a sword in English. Same thing for saif which could refer to a makhaira-type weapon in antiquity and is now virtually only used for scimitars (typing "saif" in Wiki will helpfully redirect you to the scimitar page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scimitar#Symbolism), in short, saif effectively means a saber.
Note how you completely lost the information that it was a macharia-type curved blade in the English while it was preserved between greek and aramaic.
Here's how you properly translate things for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcata#In_ancient_texts
>Hispanian saber (machaera Hispana).

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>"Then why does the Saudi Arabian flag have a curved sword on it?"
>Look it up, and it turns out the sword is perfectly straight
This is some Mandela Effect shit

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>>3083342
They actually straightened it for some reason, I shit you not.
In any case it's clearly one-edged so either machete-like or sabre-like.

>>3080465
>Curved swords are trash
Not a big surprise

>>3080597
A lightsaber is basically a fencing saber without a guard. The only other difference is that you can cut someone's legs with a lightsaber.

The styles of course have no real similarities, but saber fencing is bullshit that has nothing to do with fencing and everything to do with making the first advance + figuring out exactly how retarded the director happens to be. No one would want to watch a movie about that.

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>>3080465
>Steppenig Sabers were derived from Chinese single edged swords like the Dao, only they gave it a curve.
>Steppenig Sabers were forefathers of Middle Eastern Sabers.
>Who in turn were forefathers of European sabers.
>mfw Chinks are responsible for saberfaggotry.

>>3083850
and katanas apparently

>>3083858
Thats more of a no brainer, considering ancient single edged Japanese weapons were just imported Chinese/Korean Dao and Chinks and Nips use the same character for "single edged weapon." Although that became synonymous to "sword" over in Japan.

>>3081396
>You're aware that sabres are a somewhat recent invention compared to other forms of sword, and most of western Europe didn't get them until the 18th century, right?
Dussack and such were used in the HRE as early as 15th century though. Italian sabre is found at least in the 17th century with Marcelli.

>>3083101
it was a symbol of islam long before the ottomans, anon

examples date back to before the crusades

>>3084776
But then the Seljuk Turks ruled.

the turks are sword benders, it's true

>>3083342
wew