Why the hate for Byzantine?

Byzantium is actually well liked by many on /his/. The people who hate it are usually only doing so because it is already popular.

>>3078563
People don't accept it for what it was, the legitimate continuation of the Roman Empire.

>>3078728
it was such a shameful continuation tho , the Byzantines were just money grubbing rats

>>3078563
Because Byzantium was a bunch of fucking corrupt, backstabbing Greeks.

>>3078737
>money grubbing rats
>corrupt, backstabbing

So were the Romans of the late Republic and early Empire.

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>>3078563
Projection really. HRE Germanics were so perfidious that "Gift" changed meaning into poison in German. Really makes you think.

>>3078771
they didn't pay tribute to barbarians , nor did they bribe them to attack a neighbor

>>3078737
This, it becomes a vassal state of Turk Roaches and pay tribute to them

>>3078563
Are you fucking kidding me this board masturbates to the letters of ERE

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>>3078563
Jealousy mostly
While the rest of Europe squalors in medieval shits Byzantine still lives on by Roman standard

>>3078563
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGN3pz0oKuo

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>this mosque triggered Greek cucks

>>3078784
Must have been something to do with their utter hegemony over affairs. They didn't need to.

>>3078857
this guys is pretty good, I just watched a couple of his videos

I'm amazed how he doesn't read off of anything for his speeches

>>3078912
He's the most autistic of all the patriarchs.

>>3078918
keeping the divide between the Catholicism and orthodoxy is the smartest thing he could have done for his follower base and he backs it up using history

I don't agree with religion in general but I can get what hes doing

>>3078939
Yup, the problem still is patriotic Orthodox idiots starting fights over petty things.

>>3078563
I like the Byzantines but their deus vult fanboys are annoying. Same with Vikings, interesting people but have the worst fans.

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>>3078563
Early Byzantine history is really interesting but it was never quite the same after Iconoclasm took its toll.

>>3078563
Their fans are a bit too preachy here. They do nothing but complain about Venetians and appropriating Roman heritage.

We get it, Byzantium was the leftover cum of the Roman Empire and you hate how actual descendants of Augustus mopped you.

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Jealousy and butthurt.
P*pist rats tried so hard to destroy the Eastern Orthodox Church (the true church of New Rome), even when the Roman Empire went down in a blaze of glory after 2,000 years of greatness in 1453, the Eastern Orthodox Church still stands proud in Eastern Europe, relatively unchanged and following Gods path, a constant reminder of their failure.
Meanwhile in the West, their own Pope welcomes Muslim invaders into their own countries with open arms, while the Protestant Churches, once so hopeful for restoring pride to the way of Jesus, are now filled with faggots and trannies who aren't even religious.
They're ashamed of how low their cult has gotten and lash out at their religious betters.

>>3078563
Byzantium is pretty popular here, ignore the fifty bait threads and go to an actual Byz thread and you'll see some of the best and most mature discussion on this board.

>>3079312
/thread

>>3078563
4chan brand contrarianiasm.

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>>3079312

>>3078563
It's run by Greeks so it's shit. Like a scenario when US goverments got hijacked by beanners and those scums fucked up everything.

>>3079312
This.

>>3079312
Remind us again of how the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople is chosen. Or should we say the Greek Orthodox Patriarch of the Phanar?

>>3079312
The best part is when it finally fall, it didn't even fall to the Latins, it fell to Muslims.

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>>3079334
The more correct comparison would be if US governments got hijacked by Brits
Beaners comparison is correct if you applied it to Germanic invasion of Rome

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For me its because retarded 15 years olds LARPing (hopefully) as /pol/tards spam crusade memes with abolsutely no understanding of history. Same thing with winged hussars really.

>HURRRRR THEY KILLED MUSLIMS EPIC XDDDdD

>>3078563
Just look at this troll >>3079312

>>3079360
>crusades
>Byzantines
>le /pol/ boogieman
Are you retarded

>>3079368
He's right, though.
Latins have disgraced their ancestors by rolling over for the Muslims, while the Bzyantines would be proud of Russia, Ukraine, Bulgaria, etc for keeping the flame alive.

>>3079374
What are you talking about Muslims are well accepted in those lands.

>>3079360
Crusaderfags are a completely different group to Byzaboos, though. If anything ERE fans should hate the Crusades.
>HURRRRR THEY KILLED MUSLIMS EPIC XDDDdD
Calm down, Ahmed.

>>3079374
>rolling over for muslims
>meanwhile italy remained unscathed and eastern europe was turk'd for centuries

>>3079422
>meanwhile, in Rome
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosque_of_Rome

>>3079432
Stop being a xenophobic idiot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Cathedral_Mosque

>>3079449
>xenophobia
>bad
Please leave, reddit.

>>3079449
Still smaller than Rome, and at least all Russian Muslims are native to the region, Tatars and stuff.
100% of Italian Muslims are imports or the children of imports.

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>>3079432
>a mosque in my city
>vs
>losing my capital city
yeah i'll take the mosque thanks lmao

>>3079461
Keep moving the goalpost bigot

>>3079312
This

>>3079469
You'll lose it when Muslims decide they want to form their own country, built on the foundation of your naivety.

>>3079469
>fighting to the death in defense of your faith
vs
>rolling over like a servile dog

>>3079481
>some guy's /his/ prophecy
>vs
>a historical reality
again i'll take the prophecy lol

>>3079483
>fighting to the death in defense of your faith
Funny way of spelling
>take all our gold please don't hurt us at least let us keep what little scraps of land we have left!

>>3079474
>bigot
Hi r*ddit.

>>3079469
The Orthodox capital is now Moscow, Catholics did lose their capital to Italians for 50 years.

>>3079504
>material possessions are more important than faith
Why do Catholics hate God?

>>3078784
>they didn't pay tribute to barbarians

Paying "tribute" to barbarians to get them to fuck off was common from the early Empire.

>nor did they bribe them to attack a neighbor

This was 90% of Roman foreign policy and it worked wonders right down from the Republican era.

>>3078847
I believe the average Byzantine town had a primary school equivalent unlike the entirety of western Europe. I could be wrong though.

>Byzantine
Use the proper name, Eastern Roman Empire.

>>3078563
Same reason why /his/ hates Britain, Prussia, German Empire, Protestantism, Capitalism, etc.

They hate anything actually good or righteous.

despotic oriental theocracy pretending to have anything in common with Rome

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>>3078872
get fucked

>>3078737
Myth started by the crusaders but whatever.

>>3080399
Crusaders accomplish more in those 200 years than that shitty empire did in 1100 years

>>3080410
You are full of shit. The survival of Roman civilization after the west collapsed is thanks to Byzantium. The Carolingian renaissance is thanks to Byzantium. The Christianization of eastern Europe is tanks to Byzantium. The Italian renaissance was thanks to Byzantium. Even the Islamic golden era was thanks to Byzantium.

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>Byzantium didn't survive

>>3079552
>The Orthodox capital is now Moscow
Orthodoxy had no center. It's not like the Roman Catholic Church.

>>3080444
>The Carolingian renaissance is thanks to Byzantium.
The Carolingian Renaissance has little to nothing to do with Byzantium.

>>3078780
>invents the trebuchet
Wew lad
>western barbs
Merely people's perceptions, piss is actually a very good disenfectant and beer is one of the best way to store food

>>3079461
>Tatars and stuff.
Yeah.
Tatars are chill as fuck.
Some caucasians are retarded, though.

>>3078563
Hate is pretty justified
>split from the Catholic Church
>abandon crusaders causing the formation of the stagnant crusader states
>sit there breathing through their mouth whilst the Turks reunify and expand
>autistic seesaw over icons rather than just realise God is glorious and no image is his worthy so it's fine so have icons and statues
>meltdown priceless relics when there's no way they could survive 1453 onwards
>didn't help crusader states go deep or in subsequent crusades
>didn't just make peace with bulgars and others whilst pushing through Anatolia to have fortified positions rather than just hug the coast like the crusader states
>use holy forces secular affairs
>trade with saracens
>not acknowledge Charlemagne as the western emperor or magister milites
>overextension under Justinian and constant Persian wars led to rise of Islam, leading to heretics next door rather than just other monotheists
>doing away with the senate
Can't think of any more points ATM>

>>3080741
Irene wanted to get impregnated by Charlemagne

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>>3080761
>Franco-Byzantine Roman Empire

>>3080741
>split from the Catholic Church
wew, lad, stopped reading right here.

both bishops were fucking smug faggots and that shit was political. throwing the blame for the Schism on Constantinople shows your butthurt more than any opinion.

Nice b8 through, made me reply.

>>3080761
the language of administration would be latin
the language of culture would be greek
the language of their bedroom would be frankish grunts

>>3080761
Nahnah
>>3080820
>both bishops
This niqqa
Guess we should just call Saladin king then
Rome had always been higher than the other in the pentarchy
It's not butthurt if it's the truth, even if the donation of Constantine was a falsehood then The patriarch should still have come on bended knee to Rome
Not b8 but sincere points

>By 1180 the Emperor Manuel I died. He had opposed Venice and so favored Genoa and Pisa but after his death his widow Maria of Antioch (a princess from a French family in the Catholic crusader states) ruled as regent for his infant son Alexios II and she had a pro-Italian, pro-Catholic policy. That was not tolerated for long and in April of 1182 she was overthrown by Andronikos I who came to power on a wave of anti-Italian xenophobia.

>Byzantine mobs charged into the Italian concessions and began massacring everyone in sight. The new Emperor did nothing at all to stop them or to restore order and the result was butchery on an unimaginable scale. Some of the Italians, sensing the danger, managed to escape before the attack but the vast majority of the 60,000 were trapped and helpless in the face of the Byzantine rampage. Men, women and children were killed in horrific fashion. Homes were destroyed, Catholic churches desecrated, even charitable houses were looted. Priests were tortured and murdered, women and girls were raped and the papal legate was decapitated and had his head tied to a dog and chased through the streets. Sick and dying people were stabbed to death in their hospital beds. It was savagery on an unbelievable scale. Those who were not killed in the bloodbath were sold into slavery to the Muslim Turks. They may well have envied the dead. The boys might have been forced into any number of forms of servitude, the men as well, perhaps serving as galley slaves, the women and girls had it worst of all, many forced into sexual slavery in the harems of the powerful.

daily reminder that the 4th crusade was justified, greek fucking shits deserved all the things coming fo them

>>3080953
>even if
Jesus christ. Are you some fucking late medieval monk that got sucked by a time vortex to modern times? The donation of Constantine is a proven fabrication, there's no "ifs" about it.
>Rome had always been higher than the other in the pentarchy
nope

>>3080968
fucking hell, byzzieshits are no better than turks

>>3080968
>italian peninsula is a source of like 50 major invasions of the empire
>romans are mad
>italians are surprised by this
Anyone can play this game, mate. The pope you worship so much excommunicated the crusaders and you still defend them?

>>3080980
>romans
You mean the Byzantine Greeks?

>>3080980
>Byzantine–Venetian golden bull of 1082 gives Venice major trade concessions for military aid against Sicily
>Venice never sends any of the aid they promised and allows the Normans to cross into Balkans but reap massive benefits and profits from the treaty
>Italians are surprised when Byzantines dislike them
"fff-f--fuckin byzzshits!11 backstabbing jews!1"

>>3080990
Come on mate. Post it again!
>>3077344
>>3074059

I can't wait to see you debunked again. Feels good that legitimate /his/torians recognize the glory of the late Roman Empire instead of believing millenia old German and Papal propaganda.

the byzantine empire is one of the most overrated "empire" ever and their le daus volt xD eu4 fanboys are annoying desu, their entire history is basically them getting their shit pushed in by their neighbour like the arabs, bulgars, latin and the turks and slowly dying a pathetic death just because nobody bothered to finish them off. i wish they would stop spamming /his/ already.

>>3080349
Looks way better with the minaret

>>3080980
>Actual people living in the city of Rome are not Roman
>But these Greek LARPers are totally Roman

>>3081011
Post what again?
You are erroneously referring to Byzantine Greeks as "Romans" when there were other people at that exact time living in the city of Rome and always had been. I think in all fairness those people should be called "Romans" don't you?

The Greeks of the Byzantine Empire were aware of their Greekness or hellenic ideas. By the end of the Byzantine Empire many Greeks had even started to turn towards classical Greece - like some kind of proto-renaissance. Roman was never more than a political title.

Byzantium was not some kind of liberal society where citizenship was the only thing that mattered. People divided and judged each other by tongue and religion as they've always done. byzantine empire was an unique entity i dont know why all the byzantine fanboys here are so stuck up about them being the same as the roman times.

>>3081023
>erroneously
There was nothing wrong with the statement. They were Romans. You and your lot have been proven wrong on this subject a billion times already. Go and look my crossposting friendo, there's an entire thread about it >>3045914
>when there were other people at that exact time living in the city of Rome and always had been
The people living in the city were Romans as in they liven in the city of Rome. The people of the Roman Empire were Romans as in they lived in the Roman Empire/had a Roman citizenship. It's not that hard anon.

>>3078563

>Eastern
>Roman
>Empire

>>3081028
Reposting your inaccurate statements won't make them correct friendo. Especially when it's filled with strawmen.

>>3081028
This is what I don't understand.
Byzaboos are supposedly so well educated about their favorite empire yet they either disregard or completely toss out this basic fact. It's one of the first things you learn when you get into Byzantine history.

Roman was the political identity, Greek was the ethnic identity. They even identified as Greek during the old empire.

>>3081038
Maybe you should provide some historical sources of Greeks identifying themselves as Romans outside of a political context if you want anyone to take your claim seriously.

>>3080969
>even if
So there's no possibility at all it did exist once but was mistranslated or miscopied over the years, or was ripped in half and found with another half or had words blurred which looked like Fief
>no
Explain

>>3081062
I'd really like to know why you think Rome was special.

>>3080969
Rome was "first among equals", just like Augustus was princeps or "first citizen". And in Roman terms what that implicitly means is the highest authority.

>>3081022
>the city of Rome has anything to do with the empire after 286

>>3081041
>>3081052
Nigger, Greeks (and Turks) were calling Greek speaking Christians 'Romans' right up until the population exchange.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemnos#Modern_period
>Peter Charanis, born on the island in 1908 and later a professor of Byzantine history at Rutgers University recounts when the island was occupied and Greek soldiers were sent to the villages and stationed themselves in the public squares. Some of the children ran to see what Greek soldiers looked like. ‘‘What are you looking at?’’ one of them asked. ‘‘At Hellenes,’’ the children replied. ‘‘Are you not Hellenes yourselves?’’ a soldier retorted. ‘‘No, we are Romans."
That was nineteen fucking twelve.
It's hilarious how Latiboos constantly embarrass themselves like this.

>>3081111
Nice quads.

>>3080464
Which is just another reason why it's closer to what Christianity is supposed to be, instead of the Pope worshipers in the West.

>>3080953
>Rome had always been higher than the other in the pentarchy
>what is cesaropapism

>>3081012
>le daus volt xD
>thinking Byzaboos and Crusaderfags are remotely the same group of people
Stopped reading there, nothing else you say after this point is of any worth whatsoever.

>>3081035
>Eastern
It was situated to the East of the post unified Roman world, yes.
>Roman
It was the direct continuation of the state of Rome, too.
>Empire
Seeing that an empire is basically a state that rules over multiple nations, and seeing that, except at the very end when it was basically confined to the walls of Constaninople, it ruled over Slavs, Greeks, Armenians, Arabs, etc, yes, it was an empire.

>>3081111
>byzantium has anything to do with the old Rome for the most of their history

>>3081170
>was part of the Roman Empire for nearly 500 years
>nothing to do with Rome
Okay then.

>>3081132
>an anecdote from a biased professor of Byzantine history
No, I asked for an actual source. Something from the Byzantine period where they would be talking about themselves and their society. This can't be difficult if its as common as you say.

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>>3081162

>It was situated to the East of the post unified Roman world, yes

It was only eastern from a their perspective.

>It was the direct continuation of the state of Rome, too.

It was the direct continuation of the one part of the Roman Empire that was never properly romanized, and retained a strong Hellenistic identity.

>Seeing that an empire is basically a state that rules over multiple nations, and seeing that, except at the very end when it was basically confined to the walls of Constaninople, it ruled over Slavs, Greeks, Armenians, Arabs, etc, yes, it was an empire.

I agree that it was qualitfied as an empire for most of its existence, but it really shrank down to its core territories a few times.

>>3081197
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Greeks#Romans_.28.E1.BF.AC.CF.89.CE.BC.CE.B1.E1.BF.96.CE.BF.CE.B9.29
>Romans or Rhomaioi (Ῥωμαῖοι; sg. Ῥωμαῖoς Rhomaios) and Romioi (Ρωμιοί; sg. Ρωμιός Romios), is the name by which the Greeks were known in the Middle Ages and during Ottoman rule. The name in antiquity originally signified the inhabitants of the city of Rome in Italy, but with the increasing grants of Roman citizenship to the Greeks and other nations of the Roman Empire, it soon lost its connection with the Latins. This process culminated in 212 AD, when Emperor Caracalla's Constitutio Antoniniana granted the citizenship to all free-born men of the Empire

Ottomans took it a step further and called all Orthodox Christians living in their empire the 'Roman Nation'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rum_Millet
While the Greeks themselves were called 'Rumlar' (Romans).
Now why would they do that if not because that's what they were calling themselves?
Maybe you should just face the fact your were wrong?

>>3081091
Because all documents point to it being so and the highest ranking bishop in the ERE not being the bishop of Jerusalem

>>3081145
A fucking heresy purged when a United Chaledonian church ruled

>>3081262
What about "outside of a political context" do you not understand? That's the very first post I made in the chain >>3081052
>Maybe you should provide some historical sources of Greeks identifying themselves as Romans outside of a political context
>posts the political term another political entity uses in their polity
Just admit you have absolutely zero evidence for your claim. You're running out of straws to grasp.

>>3081241
>It was only eastern from a their perspective.
Hence 'Eastern'.
The Eastern Seaboard of the US isn't no longer to the East, just because Japan is further to the East, otherwise East, West, North, South would be pointless descriptors.

>It was the direct continuation of the one part of the Roman Empire that was never properly romanized
'Roman' had long since stopped referring to an actual inhabitant of the city of Rome, and instead began to refer to the state, much like how Mexico is named for Mexico the city.
If the capital was moved to Veracruz, the United States of Mexico would still be Mexico.
At state level, New York city isn't the capital of the State of New York, Albany is. But New York state is still New York, they just have the same name.
If then by some bizarre turn of events NYC became part of New Jersey, New York state would still exist, yes?

>>3081315
I already did, but your just shit yourself and claimed he was biased. So have another source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Greeks
>Throughout the Middle Ages, the Byzantine Greeks self-identified as Rhōmaîoi (Greek: Ῥωμαῖοι pronounced [roˈmei], "Romans")
>Greeks self-identified as Rhōmaîoi (Romans)
How do you even manage to dress yourself of a morning? You're too stupid to even reason with.

>>3081322

>If then by some bizarre turn of events NYC became part of New Jersey, New York state would still exist, yes?

Technically yes, New York State would exist. But it would become very different, I imagine.

>>3081315
You do know what a nation is, yeah?
Because the Ottomans calling Greeks Rumlar is proof of their self identification as Romans.
Fucking moron.

>>3081342
>Because the Ottomans calling Greeks Rumlar is proof of their self identification as Romans.
Ancient Romans called the Greeks "Graeci" when their own ethnonym was "Hellenes", I guess that's proof of the Greeks' self identification as Graeci!
Fucking retard.

>>3081339
>But it would become very different, I imagine.
Oh, absolutely.
And the Eastern Roman Empire was an incredibly bizarre beast. I can't think of another situation where a country is named for a city it no longer controls, that speaks a different language and worships a different God to the founders of that city, which is why these arguments are such a pain in the arse, there's nothing to compare it to.

>>3081360
The Byzantines abandoned the term Hellene because of its Pagan origins, lacking a better ethnonym, like >>3081336 says some called themselves Romans (Romaioi), while some called themselves what the Latins called them: Graikoi.
Fucking butt sniffer.

>>3081375
>The ancient name Hellenes was synonymous to "pagan" in popular use, but was revived as an ethnonym in the Middle Byzantine period (11th century).[7]
So for the entire latter half of their existence they would refer to themselves as ethnic Hellenes.

>>3078563
Larpers

>>3081336


>The Eastern Roman Empire continued on as the Byzantine Empire until 1453 CE, and though known early on as simply `the Roman Empire’, it did not much resemble that entity at all.
http://www.ancient.eu/Roman_Empire/

>They called themselves Romaioi, or Romans. Modern historians agree with them only in part. The term East Rome accurately described the political unit embracing the Eastern provinces of the old Roman Empire until 476, while there were yet two emperors.

>The same term may even be used until the last half of the 6th century, as long as men continued to act and think according to patterns not unlike those prevailing in an earlier Roman Empire. During those same centuries, nonetheless, there were changes so profound in their cumulative effect that after the 7th century state and society in the East differed markedly from their earlier forms. In an effort to recognize that distinction, historians traditionally have described the medieval empire as Byzantine.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Byzantine-Empire

>>3080741
>Split from Catholic church
Fuck off Papist shill
>abandoned the Crusaders
Because the one guy who abandoned the crusade told them the Crusaders were as good as dead. Crusaders were literally nigger tier in terms of reliability, almost never kept their word.
>Didn't help Crusaders
But they did, the Crusaders were being backstabby nigs. Also Crusaders attacked them multiple times throughout the 12th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_I_Komnenos#Invasion_of_Egypt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Shaizar
Crusader attacks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_I_Komnenos#Cyprus_invaded
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Constantinople_(1147)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade#Princes.27_Crusade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Antioch#Early_history
>Didn't make peace with Bulgars
They conquered the Bulgars, and their whole strategy in Asia Minor was to conquer an area and turtle.
>Trade with Muslims
>Implying everyone in the West didn't trade with them, especially the Italians.
>Not acknowledging Charlemage
Why the fuck would they do that?
>Muh overextension
The More recent 25 year war with the Persians and the Plagues had a lot more to do with the rise of Islam then anything Justinian did.
>Muh Senate
They had no power ever since Augustus, they did not matter and were a waste of State resources.

>>3082757
Greek larpers BTFO

/his/ has moved from HRE vs Byz threads to Byz domination to Byz hate solely based on contrarianism
Rey Carlos died for this

>>3078752
Fucking this

>>3083001
>fuck off papist shill
They literally say 'we break from you', making them illegitimate
>nigger nig nog
Really raising the standard for byzaboos
>crusaders never kept their word
As good as any other feudal lord, the knights were fine it was the Tarfirs that ruined it
>crusaders backstabby
So again like other feudal lords
Those sources say both may be at fault
Sicily is just an edgy retard and he became a vassal in the end, also Manuel can be blamed for the next 400 years of history by letting nur al din out
>made peace with bulgars
That's not how you spell let the Turks conquer them
>overextension
He could have invested in sanitation rather than war, would need a smaller Amy, and would not lead to the genocide of thousands by the Lombards
>no power since Augustus
That's not even getting a response

>>3082757
Kek

>>3079312

t.Greek

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>>3081336
>>3081315
>>3081262
>>3081197
>>3081132
>Getting this buttblasted and thowing out insults over petty shit

never change /his/

>>3085161
>he says that while posting indonesian cartoons
How do you even take yourself seriously?

>>3083949
And yet the Bulgars proceeded to kill every single leader of the 4th crusade. Oh so mighty Latin's had nothing to fear from some slavinated horse niggers who just happened to wage 600 years of wars against the Byzantines and were getting pretty good at it.

>>3080968

If the Fourth Crusade was justified, then the Massacre of the Latins was justified. The Italian merchants were constantly causing trouble in the Latin quarter having borderline gang warfare between the different Italian factions even going as far as to cause riots and burn down portions of the city. When the Emperor decided enough was enough and kicked them out, the Venetians chimped out and declared war on the Byzantines. The populace had had enough of their shit by the time an new Emperor less inclined to spoil the merchants was crowned.

>>3086265
It was anything but justified. Power hungry lords high on the stories how rich some asses got off plundering Muslims decided to LARP higher goals and ended up slaying Christians because money is money

>>3078563
As for everything, people start hating things that are shoved down their throats by other people

Honestly, its always because one side of the other inevitably starts throwing shit.

These threads always go something like this:

>byzantines are pretty cool
>byzantines are shit and not true romans
>latins are niggers
>byzantishits lost to muslims lmao
>because westerners stabbed them in the back 1204 never forget
>""""""roman""""""
>h
>r
>e

and so on

>>3078563
Byzaboos are cancerous

>>3086265
The Venetian imprisonment was wholly different from the Latin Massacre. The massacre was basically a riot that the emperor did nothing to stop. The seizure of all Venetian people and goods across the empire was an extremely well planned execution by the government. This action was in response to Venetians making use of the trading privileges granted to them in a golden bull for their service in defending the Byzantine Adriatic from the Normans. The Venetians were fully in their rights to make a show of force to pressure the Byzantines into releasing their citizens and property. The Venetians were even suing for diplomacy through the entirety of seizure

>Eastern Bzantine "Roman" Greek Vassal State

>>3078563
>Why the hate for Byzantine?
Why the hate for Eastern Romans?
Ftfy

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>>3086153
the key is you don't

4chan will just frustrate you otherwise

>>3085161
t. Redditor

>>3078563
They mistake them for Serbia because their heraldry is the same.

>>3091115
As are their shit-flinging, backward ways and customs.

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"Of that Byzantine empire, the universal verdict of history is that it constitutes, without a single exception, the most thoroughly base and despicable form that civilization has yet assumed. There has been no other enduring civilization so absolutely destitute of all forms and elements of greatness, and none to which the epithet "mean" may be so emphatically applied ... The history of the empire is a monotonous story of the intrigues of priests, eunuchs, and women, of poisonings, of conspiracies, of uniform ingratitude."
—William Lecky

"Its [Byzantium's] general aspect presents a disgusting picture of imbecility: wretched, nay, insane passions, stifles the growth of all that is noble in thoughts, deeds, and persons. Rebellion on the part of generals, depositions of the Emperors by means or through the intrigues of the courtiers, assassinations or poisoning of the Emperors by their own wives and sons, women surrendering themselves to lusts and abominations of all kinds."
—Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

"The history of the Greek Empire is nothing but a tissue of revolts, seditions, and perfidies."
-- Montesquieu

"There exists another history, more absurd than the history of Rome since the time of Tacitus: it is the history of Byzantium. This worthless collection contains nothing but declamations and miracles. It is a disgrace to the human mind."
-- Voltaire

>>3078737
Aren't all empires like this?

>>3078563
Because they were a Christian nation. No one has issues with the Islamic nations of Turkey, Indonesia, or Lower Spain before the reconquista

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>>3091733
>Voltaire

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>>3091733
>E
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BTFO

>>3092484

>Talk shit got hit

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Latins

>>3078563
No reason to hate it. The empire was a very enduring and it had some good achievements, mostly centered around it's capital.
No reason to praise it, though. The empire didn't do nearly as good as it's western predecessor - it failed to expand and become relevant because the greeks really couldn't govern for shit.

>>3078563
Byzantine was last great Hellenic civilization.It existed for almost 1000 years and it resisted against so many attackers.
But unfortunately all that is good comes to an end.Once it felt the center of Orthodox Christianity was moved to Moscow.