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Because why not.
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I like their aesthetics
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Dumping some pics
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indio de mierda jajajajajajajaja
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You must be over 18 to browse this site.
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>809x613
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when are mexicans going to create an aztec theme park?
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>>3079086
their mayan themed vacation resorts are ace
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>>3079086
I am working on it. Give me a couple decades and a billion or so. Truly, I have thought how grand it would look like if the buildings remained intact and the Spanish just built around but we all know history does not work like that. Saludos desde México.
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Is it bad to masturbate to architecture?
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>>3079229
Better than traps so nah you're good.
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>Guatemoc and his captains complained to Cortes that many of our men had carried off the daughters and wives of chieftains, and begged him as a favour that they should be sent back. Cortes answered that it would be difficult to take them from their present masters, but they might seek them out and bring them before him, and he would see whether they had become Christians or preferred to go home with their fathers and husbands, in which case he would order them to be given up. So he gave the Mexicans permission to search in all three camps, and issued an order that any soldier who had an Indian woman should surrender her at once if she of her own free will wished to return home. Many chieftains searched from house to house and persevered until they found them. But there were many women who did not wish to go with their fathers or mothers or husbands, but preferred to remain with the soldiers with whom they were living. Some hid themselves, others said they did not wish to return to idolatry, and yet others were already pregnant. So they did not bring back more than three, who by Cortes' express command were handed over to them.
Aztecs eternally cucked
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>>3079554
source?
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>>3079573
The Conquest of New Spain by Bernal Diaz
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>>3079554
Is that the famous Spanish raping that aztecboos keep screeching about?
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>>3078832
I read that bernal diaz claimed the houses were full of fragrant wood? Did they used nice smelling building materials or what?
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>>3078820
I wonder where they got all the red paint....
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>>3079554
It's about time the haters showed up.
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>>3079708
Wut, apart of rape in war, usually they had lots of concubines, why would they rape anyone? having a Mucama, having children with her etc was more cozy and less troublesome, also they tended to watch over they offspring, if they were in a high place usually they would look for minor places to put they "bastard" offspring.
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>>3078557
>tfw 1417 A.D
>all those butthurt minorities are blaming us Aztecs for everything wrong in the world
>they are still butthurt about muh ritual sacrifice, despite the fact that it was abolished a long time ago
>tfw pro-sacrificianist.
>tfw I want us to return to our pagan roots.
>fucking degeneratists
>It is probably the Mayans fault. Fucking Mayans. They still bitch about the Mayacaust.
>I wonder if other advanced cultures like ours exist on earth? Nah that's bullshit... we are probably alone. If intelligent life existed on earth they would have visited us already.
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>>3078557
>aztecboo
there's gotta be a better term for these....
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>>3080857
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Why didn't they use metal?
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>>3080864
They used copper/gold alloys for ornamentation or money. Obsidian was just more conveniant to use and abundant in the Central valley region. Metals were kind of a recent thing in Mesoamerica arriving in c.800 from Central America. It only slowly started to get adopted as a weapon by some in Mesoamerica.
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How were the conquistadors not blown away by this shit ?
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>>3080901
They were, just read the accounts.
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>>3080901
I think they were
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>>3080901
Of course they were. They got to experience a bronze age civilization at its peak first hand.
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>>3081044
Texcocoans
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>>3081096
I'll stop here since it's an aztec thread so as not to go off topic.
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>>3078557
These images are cool and all but was it really that clean and modern looking? I doubt it. These paintings were no doubt made centuries after the last real Aztec or Mayan had died.
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So they made it to Bronze Age tier by the 1400s?That's really impressive considering they were isolated from the rest of the world unlike eurasia and the mideast.
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>>3081110
Well considering Aztec obsession with cleanliness (they even had a month long celebration dedicated to sweeping) it probably was. They viewed things like dust, excrement, filth to be excessive/sexual belonging to the realm of tlazolli. Thus it had to be purified and transformed (swept, made into fertilizer i nthe case of excrement) in order to restore balance and order. Aztecs were a bit autistic about order and cleanliness since it was considered dangerous and overtly sexual. Also you are looking mostly at the ceremonial preccincts and palaces which had to be maintained and kept to a high standard all the time due to their importance.
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Some Aztec /lit/
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Books on subject?
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>>3081104
All Mesoamerican brothers are welcome. Please continue.
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>>3080904
What are some good books about this?
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>>3081765
Bernal Diaz Castillo
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>>3081124
They started the civilization race 15000 years after europeans.
That's what is impressive.
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>>3079708
Probably. Nearly every Aztec village that welcomed the Spanish literally gave them their women as a gift.
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>>3082586
*a few of their women as a gift.
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>>3079554
Ayyy just got finished with that book.
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Who is the artist on these? And where did you find them, exactly?
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And where are these from? I know the artist (angus mcbride) but not where you found them, i've been looking for more of his stuff
>>3080901
They were, literally every account has them talking about how rad all of their cities were
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In fact dumping some excerpts, starting off with some excerpts from letters Cortes sent to Charles V
>"(About Montezuma II) He possessed out of the city as well as within, numerous villas, each of which had its peculiar sources of amusement, and all were constructed in the best possible manner for the use of a great prince and lord. Within the city his palaces were so wonderful that it is hardly possible to describe their beauty and extent ; I can only say that in Spain there is nothing equal to them."
>"The city of Iztapalapa contains twelve or fifteen thousand houses; it is situated on the shore of a large salt lake, one-half of it being built upon the water, and one half on terra firma. The governor or chief of the city has several new houses, which, although they are not yet finished, are equal to the better class of houses in Spain –being large and well constructed, in the stone work, the carpentry, the floors, and the various appendages necessary to render a house complete, excepting the reliefs and other rich work usual in Spanish houses. There are also many upper and lower rooms–cool gardens, abounding in trees and odoriferous flowers; also pools of fresh water, well constructed, with stairs leading to the bottom."
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>>3081054
Artist/source?
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>>3078909
Here's some higher quality versions of this
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>>3081765
Be aware that Cortes's and Bernal Diaz's accounts, while obviously some of the best primary accounts we have, also have known errors and exaggerations both due to political reasons and due to them not understanding the culture that well. They are good reads, but you need to also be aware of that. Not sure what a good resource/reading companion would be for them though, exactly
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>"There is also a very extensive kitchen garden attached to the house, and over it a belvidere with beautiful corridors and halls; and within the garden a large square pond of fresh water, having its walls formed of handsome hewn stone; and adjacent to it there is a promenade, consisting of a tiled pavement so broad that four persons can walk on it abreast, and four hundred paces square, or sixteen hundred paces round; enclosed on one side towards the wall of the garden by canes, intermingled with vergas, and on the other side by shrubs and sweet-scented plants. The pond contains a great variety of fish and water-fowl, as wild ducks, teal, and others so numerous that they often cover the surface of the water."
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>"On their route they passed through three provinces, that, according to the report of the Spaniards, contained very fine land, many villages and cities, with much scattered population, and buildings equal to any in Spain. They mentioned particularly a house and castle, the latter larger, of greater strength, and better built than the castle of Burgos ; and the people of one of these provinces, called Tamazulapa, were better clothed than those of any other we had seen, as it justly appeared to them."
And here are some other accounts by Bernal Díaz del Castillo, chapters LXXXVII and XCII of the True History of the Conquest of the New Spain:
>"The next morning we reached the broad high road of Iztapalapan, whence we for the first time beheld the numbers of towns and villages built in the lake, and the still greater number of large townships on the mainland, with the level causeway which ran in a straight line into Mexico."
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>"Our astonishment was indeed raised to the highest pitch, and we could not help remarking to each other, that all these buildings resembled the fairy castles we read of in Amadis de Gaul; so high, majestic, and splendid did the temples, towers, and houses of the town, all built of massive stone and lime, rise up out of the midst of the lake. Indeed, many of our men asked if what they saw was a mere dream. And the reader must not feel surprised at the manner in which I have expressed myself, for it is impossible to speak coolly of things which we had never seen nor heard of, nor even could have dreamt of, beforehand."
>"When we approached near to Iztapalapan, two other caziques came out in great pomp to receive us: one was the prince of Cuitlahuac, and the other of Cojohuacan; both were near relatives of Motecusuma. We now entered the town of Iztapalapan, where we were indeed quartered in palaces, of large dimensions, surrounded by spacious courts, and built of hewn stone, cedar and other sweet-scented wood. All the apartments were hung round with cotton cloths."
>"After we had seen all this, we paid a visit to the gardens adjoining these palaces, which were really astonishing, and I could not gratify my desire too much by walking about in them and contemplating the numbers of trees which spread around the most delicious odours; the rose bushes, the different flower beds, and the fruit trees which stood along the paths. There was likewise a basin of sweet water, which was connected with the lake by means of a small canal. It was constructed of stone of various colours, and decorated with numerous figures, and was wide enough to hold their largest canoes."
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>>3083056
>They were, literally every account has them talking about how rad all of their cities were
What was the Conquistador opinion on the Mayans then? Did they respect them like Alexander with Persia or just think of them as animals?
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>"In this basin various kinds of water-fowls were swimming up and down, and everything was so charming and beautiful that we could find no words to express our astonishment. Indeed I do not believe a country was ever discovered which was equal in splendour to this; for Peru was not known at that time. But, at the present moment, there is not a vestige of all this remaining, and not a stone of this beautiful town is now standing."
>"(About Tlatelolco) After we had sufficiently gazed upon this magnificent picture, we again turned our eyes toward the great market, and beheld the vast numbers of buyers and sellers who thronged there. The bustle and noise occasioned by this multitude of human beings was so great that it could be heard at a distance of more than four miles. Some of our men, who had been at Constantinople and Rome, and travelled through the whole of Italy, said that they never had seen a market-place of such large dimensions, or which was so well regulated, or so crowded with people as this one at Mexico."
Actually got one more so this won't be the last post
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>>3083111
The Maya aren't as much my area of knowledge, but a lot of the maya urban centers/kingdoms had a collapse hundreds of years prior so many of the maya settlements would have been more akin to villages or small towns rather then stone cities at the time, or would have been inhabiting the ruins of the urban centers that had the collapse.
Cortes stayed at a number of maya settlements along the way of his conquest, and on his intial excursion into the mainland met up with some other europeans that had gotten shipwrecked and had been living with some Maya, one became one of his translators, and then he picked up a woman from another group of Maya slavers that became his other translator and she was pretty instrumental in the conquest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Malinche
>>3081074
Do you have the first 4 pages of this?
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>>3083141
>The Maya aren't as much my area of knowledge,
Okay not the Mayans but Aztecs/South American people in general.
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whoops, got distracted, here's the last one, from one of cortes's letters, regarding a bridge the aztecs from tenochtitlan built:
>They agreed to work at it viribus et posse, and began at once to divide the task between them, and I must say that they worked so hard, and with such good will, that in less than four days they constructed a fine bridge, over which the whole of the men and horses passed. So solidly built it was, that I have no doubt it will stand for upwards of ten years without breaking —unless it is burnt down — being formed by upwards of one thousand beams, the smallest of which was as thick round as a man's body, and measured nine or ten fathoms (16-18 meters) in length, without counting a great quantity of lighter timber that was used as planks. And I can assure your Majesty that I do not believe there is a man in existence capable of explaining in a satisfactory manner the dexterity which these lords of Tenochtitlan, and the Indians under them, displayed in constructing the said bridge: I can only sav that it is the most wonderful thing that ever was
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>>3083533
SO why destroy their people and culture if they found it so magnificent?
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>>3083576
Well, I can't speak for all of the conquistadors, but Cortez really didn't want to annihilate the aztecs wholesale. But, the aztecs didnt want to be subjugated, so they ended up just killing them all and taking their gold.
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>>3080838
>ritual sacrifice was abolished long ago
>1417 AD
nigger
what
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>>3083583
Damn
Well the game is the game
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daily reminder
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Would an Aztec commoner have access to hallucinogens? What about the priestly class?
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>>3083927
kek
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>>3083937
That sounds like an excellent question for [spoiler]/r/AskHistorians[/spoiler]
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>>3083586
Pretty sure its just a American slavery joke.
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>>3083920
The book "Armies of the Aztec and Inca Empires, Other Native Peoples of The Americas, and the Conquistadores (Armies of the Sixteenth Century)" by Ian Heath. Go to this mega:
https://mega.nz/#F!vtQ2EIKK!Z7R8gN5vTsfalKDn18jOmw
Go to Mesoamerica > find "Heath" and there you go.
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>>3083927
replace aztec civilization with all of europe
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>>3085013
Is this the same mesoamerica mega that was on the /his/ library of alexandira megathread from a few months back?
If so I already got it. Or has it been updated since then?
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>>3083141
First for pages I scanned are of the Caribbean warriors. I didn't scan the whole book, just some for a friend. But you can find the whole book here >>3085013
>>3083056
>Who is the artist on these? And where did you find them, exactly?
Stuart and Scott Gentling, they are brothers who worked for National Geographic and major aztecboos, they do meticulous reconstructions based on their research to bring us back to what it may have looked like irl. They did paintings of Cholula as well, which I have been hunting for. They're images are in a couple books (Aztecs 3rd ed by Townsend, Warlords of Ancient Mexico by Peter Tsouras), and a few as well I found online from not sure which books. I want to get this book by them of their paintings, "1519 / The one reed year : wonders of Aztec Mexico : paintings, drawings and models", but it's near impossible to find, only two libraries list it, one in Texas and the other in New Mexico.
>And where are these from? I know the artist (angus mcbride) but not where you found them, i've been looking for more of his stuff
Life in the Time of Moctezuma and the Aztecs
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>All the cool cultures and civs fucking died
Worst timeline
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>>3079554
Indias are Spanish cock sleeves.
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>>3083937
The priestly class yes, commoners not sure. Maybe through a healer if it was part of the medical treatment.
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>>3085286
>I want to get this book by them of their paintings, "1519 / The one reed year : wonders of Aztec Mexico : paintings, drawings and models", but it's near impossible to find, only two libraries list it, one in Texas and the other in New Mexico.
Apparently they still have a living brother, Peter Gentling, who lives in ashville north carolina. You could try contacting him to see if he still has copies of any of their art he'd be willing to publish or put online
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>>3085286
Also, if you could rar up the rest of the art you have from both and where you got them, and what other books/sources have their content in a text document, I would really apperciate it.
>>3085317
Are you the one managing that mega? Would you be willing to add some random images and stuff I have collected to it, like what me and the other anon are disscussing?
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>>3085371
I'll try that. If I get a hold of it I'll add it to the library and post them here for sure.
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>>3085383
>Also, if you could rar up the rest of the art you have from both and where you got them, and what other books/sources have their content in a text document, I would really apperciate it.
Sure, this weekend I'm a bit busy but next week I can start doing that.
Are you the one managing that mega? Would you be willing to add some random images and stuff I have collected to it, like what me and the other anon are disscussing?
Yep I am and I can. I should add some of Ape's stuff too while I'm at it.
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>>3085394
I actually live in NC myself, so in the event this person is contactable, and has any of their stuff and would be willing to share, I would be in a better position to pick it up, so it might be better if I did it, only problem is I have shit social skills.
In fact, do you wanna collaborate with this/getting art/resources together for the mega in general? [email protected] is my throwaway account for 4chan stuff. If so, send an email to that address from whatever email address you wanna use.
Anyways, that aside, something I am also trying to do is find more info/more images of Tenochtitlan from a guy named Tomás Filsinger.
http://www.mexicomaxico.org/Tenoch/TomasFilsinger.htm This site is a bitch to navigte, but based on what I see here, he has a book or something as well as some sort of interactive cd with 3d models and shit of it, but I can't figure out how to purchase either.
Am hoping somebody here has more of his stuff/knows about him. There is a contact email, but I get the impression he doesn't know english (this isn't his site, but still) and I don't into spanish
dumping what I have from it/him
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>>3085424
Also, for clarification: having your email in general would be helpful in case I had further questions/had stuff to add to the mega, since obvious finding/contacting specific people on 4chan is obviously not really feasible
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3/?
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>>3085431
4//?
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5/?
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>>3085445
6/?
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>>3085447
7/?
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>>3085452
8/?
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>>3085453
9/?
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>>3085456
10/?
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>>3085461
12/?
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>>3085424
Well if you want to shoot him an email that's probably better that you are in the same state. As for the other guy, Tomas, I can try contacting him. I speak spanish fluently.
I'll send you an email tonight or tomorrow night.
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>>3085468
Well, googling his name just gets me doctors offices, so I guess the first step would be contacting them to see if they are actually that person.
I'm not sure how to actually approach this, I don't think me calling out of the blue and asking if they are the sibling of these 2 dead brothers would be well received.
>>3085468
>As for the other guy, Tomas, I can try contacting him. I speak spanish fluently.
That would be awesome, i'll reply to your email (I might use my actual email address for that reply) with the exact questions I have for him when I get the chance then, i'm pretty busy so it might not be right away
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>>3085481
>I'm not sure how to actually approach this, I don't think me calling out of the blue and asking if they are the sibling of these 2 dead brothers would be well received.
Good point. Maybe you can bring up that you are a huge fan of their work and have an interest in the Aztecs? I know the brothers were. Maybe he might be too.
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>>3080111
the most easily obtainable pigment on the planet.
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>>3080857
I mean their city wasn't much different than early mesopotamian cities in a lot of ways.
something they did have however was one of the most advanced irrigation, goods transportaion, and waste disposal systems on the planet.
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I think it's cool how all three major classical Amerindian civilizations had unique ways of keeping their people fed and hydrated that were specific to their environment and that largely disappeared as Europeans trickled in.
>Aztec lived in the middle of a fucking lake so they had floating chinampa gardens that they fertilized with the muck they dredged up from the lakebed
>Maya lived largely away from any sources of fresh water so they turned their cities into giant rain catching cisterns
>Inca lived on the sides of mountains and used steppe farms to prevent erosion and create proper drainage
The land the Incan empire once controlled STILL doesn't produce as much food as the Incan did.
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How did the Spanish communicate with Aztecs?
t. brainlet
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>>3085941
Through Malintzin a slave girl fluent in Nahuatl and Mayan. And through a Spanish priest captured by the Maya a decade prior who learned Mayan. Eventually though the girl picked up Spanish and they just used her.
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>>3085941
a very quick tl;dr explanation is that there were two europeans who shipwrecked in the region a few years prior and settled into a group of mayans and had picked up one of the maya languages from them, and one of them joined cortes to be his translator, as cortes heard about this and sought them out. Cortes also picked up a native girl who was a slave who spoke both the same maya language and nahuatl, so he spoke spanish to the european, then he translated that to maya to the girl, then the girl translated that to nahuatl to speak to the aztecs.
It's actually pretty interesting because she became super pivotal to a lot of what happens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWtQznfkDHU goes into it in a bit more detail in an entertaining way.
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>>3085981
I should note that while that video explains how "aztec" is a shitty term, he implies that "mexica" was the actual name of the people throughout the entire empire, when only the inhabitants of Tenochtitlan and it's sister city state that by then had been absorbed into it where the Mexica: the other cities in the empire were other groups, but most were still Nahua cultures.
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>>3085334
The Spain Empire it was a bullshit .They had everything: the Holy Roman Empire, extensive positions in Europe and the largest colonial empire in America,And they went bankrupt 4 times in addition to losing wars against nations of shit like Holland and England.Good Job spanish
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>>3086018
s-ssumanai.
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>>3086181
Dump complete.
>The rapid growth of the Mexica dominion in Central Mexico once again lifted the region into an era of widespread war and violence. The Mexica worldview was heavily steeped in blood, probably a relic of the tribe’s brutal history as a band of migratory nomads. Although their zealous propensity for human sacrifice and martial culture probably shaped their military interactions with nearby kingdoms, local environmental factors and external influences certainly played their part. The introduction of the bow and arrow by the 12th century CE drastically enhanced the effectiveness of levied troops while, around the same time, the widespread adoption of the broadsword was complemented by the emergence of a well-trained, professional warrior class. The growing importance of military power in the region tipped the scales in favor of accomplished military leaders and ultimately diminished the role that religious figures played in governing the state. That being said, Mexica religious authorities reigned supreme among the general population and their efforts to proselytize them through grandiose displays of public human sacrifice were encouraged by the military elite and were, in many respects, controlled by them. The combination of these factors generated a period of unprecedented military expansion throughout Mexico and established a vast tributary tributary superstructure centered in the city of Tenochtitlan. At the city’s disposal was an army of well trained, professional soldiers with years of locally sponsored military and ideological training. If necessary, the Mexica could levy several hundred thousand additional troops from their tributary subjects and allied kingdoms, creating a combined army that was likely more powerful than any in the whole of North America. But from the East came something new, a band of wayward soldiers, veterans, and sailors intent on becoming wealthy through trade, colonization, annexation, and conquest.
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>>3086192
>Hernan Cortes’ expedition numbered roughly 600 men, 100 of whom were sailors, along with sixteen horses, about thirty crossbows, a dozen muskets, four falconet cannons, and ten heavy copper guns. The conquistadors, fresh from wars in Iberia and battles in the Yucatan, landed a small expeditionary force of vessels off the coast of what is now Veracruz. Some among them were veteran soldiers, men who had fought long campaigns in Italy, France, and against the Ottoman Empire. Each man had crafted a cotton cuirasse for protection, a padded armor which Bernal Diaz called “the most efficient protection against Indian arrows, pikes, and slings”. Many of them had steel helmets and chest plates, but the wealthier soldiers could afford additional steel protections to the neck, groin, legs, and arms. Their armaments consisted of stabbing swords, polearms, cavalry lances, and heavy shields in addition to the support weapons listed above. The conquistadors were often heavily armed and armored, and created a combined arms force of well trained shock cavalry, rudimentary but highly effective artillery, light skirmishers with the ability to quickly and decisively despatch inadequately armored targets, and well trained, armored infantry capable of inflicting severe damage to enemy lines. Moreover, the conquistadors were often resupplied with fresh soldiers, ammunition, horses, and armaments from Cuba during the conquest of Mexico. Inspired by religious zealotry, these soldiers of Iberia sought to spread Christianity throughout the new world. To add to this, their disdain for human sacrifice, paganism, and unfamiliar American Indian customs was a frequent cause of conflict.
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>>3086200
>The advanced nature of Spanish military technology and tactics gave them a decisive edge in combat. First and foremost, Aztec weaponry was woefully ineffective against the Spaniards’ steel armor. Aztec spears, swords, javelins, and arrows were all tipped or lined with obsidian or flint blades and, although extremely sharp, they would have likely shattered on impact. On soft targets however, the blades cut extremely well, with a good example being the Aztec macuahuitl, or broadsword. The Anonymous Conqueror describes a now well-known incident where, in the midst of battle, he saw an Aztec warrior cut the entrails from a horse with the macuahuitl, instantly killing the beast. The same day, he witnessed the death of another horse after a single blow to the neck from an Aztec broadsword. When utilized against an armored opponent, the blunt force from a heavy sword or spear impact certainly would have been unpleasant, but this would have been mitigated by the padded cotton worn underneath. Crushing weapons such as clubs and cudgels would have been the most effective in melee against Spanish armor, but such clubs were often short and required considerable strength and stamina from the user. Crushers have the advantage of imparting more energy into the target upon impact, but Aztec war clubs were usually wooden, making their effectiveness against steel armor questionable. Aztec infantry completely lacked specialized weapons suited for penetrating Spanish armor, forcing them to rely on martial skill to stab or slash around the armor. Bernal Diaz wrote that volleys of slingstones were extremely damaging and ever-present throughout their campaign. Thrown by the thousands, these projectiles inflicted many wounds and a number of casualties among the conquistadors. Despite the relative effectiveness of such weapons, they simply were not enough to turn the war in favor of the Mexica.
There's more, but its pretty long.
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>>3078862
I always found those pyjamas looking outfits so disappointing, I always imagined the aztec looking cooler than that
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>>3086347
I think this style was adopted from the Huastecs.
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>>3086347
Because you simply can't come up with something cooler. I'd still love to see pic related in a steel version tho
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>>3087201
Sounds good I just sent an email (I'm chiyasakibuk)
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>>3085317
>Learning it.
Classical? If so what are you using?
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>>3087615
Literally they created an artificial island. The CDMX, the capital of Mexico is built on top of Tenochtitlán. Most of the lake is land now. They have a lot of problems with structures, cause the land is moving(idk another term how to explain it, English is my second lenguage) and some building are tilting on one side. Also, earthquakes do heavy damage on the city, see earthquake of 85
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>>3085523
>tfw a bronze age look alike civilization get smashed by sea people
Pottery
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>>3085334
I like how the modern Netherlands is reckoned to be part of the Spanish Empire when it was literally just inherited and under Spanish control for 13 whole years.
By contrast the Dutch held Brazil and the UK for longer and they didn't inherit it.
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So, why did germs killed the astecs and not the other way around?
The spanish bought germs back as well.
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>>3090274
Spanish had a disease cocktail consisting of most bad shit from the entire Afro-Eurasian world.
The Natives had an STD
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>>3090293
So, if the english or french in theory visited them, no calamity?
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>>3090318
Why the hell would you think that? They also had the same diseases.
Things like Smallpox and whatnot traveled across the continents before Spain as a country was even a thing.
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>>3090334
Well, idk much about them. Just wondering why Europe didn't fucked back.
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>>3090339
Many of the diseases had spread across the continents hundreds or thousands of years before the Spanish set foot in the new world. Populations had adapted to them and gotten resistant or the diseases lived on as childhood diseases. Even today pox and measles are diseases virtually every child gets.
The natives of the New World didn't have any resistance against these diseases and the world thing was that they all hit at the same time. A plague of smallpox may have killed a third of the population but then all the other diseases wreaked havoc on the survivors.
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>>3090347
Ok, but the Natives sure must've had their own immunities built in, its not like they didn't had their own diseases right?
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>>3090352
Well not against foreign diseases.
Old world diseases still killed Old worlders but they didn't have the high mortality rate nor did they cause epidemics that wiped out huge numbers of the population. Living alongside these diseases for hundreds if not thousands of years did that for them.
New Worlders had fewer diseases to begin with. Partially due to them being fewer in number, partially because some were still hunter gatherers and partially because they didn't keep as many domestic animals.
Syphilis did move to Europe where it mutated in a slow killing variant. It wasn't spread by coughing and it usually only killed people in the course of many many years. The final death toll of syphilis over the past five centuries surely numbers in the millions but it never had a destabilizing effect.
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>>3090431
Now I get it.
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>>3083097
And to think Iztapalapa is one of the shittiest places in all of Mexico rn
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>>3079086
This museum is huge; I'd need four days just to say I've properly seen all the exhibits.
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>>3081016
The Aztec didn't need them either, but they sure as hell enjoyed them
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>>3079554
They just LOVED the moorish warrior
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Are there any books by historians that focus on the culture that aren't a dry borefest?
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>>3085968
>And through a Spanish priest captured by the Maya
it was a shipwrecked spaniard. i dont think he was a priest he was married to a local qt and I think he returned there after the conquest
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>>3093125
Shipwrecked then captured. They sacrificed most of the Spaniards who survived. Except him and Gonzalo Guerrero. Aguilar was a friar.
>Aguilar and 11-12 other survivors[2] were captured by the local Maya and scheduled to be sacrificed to Maya gods. Valdivia and four others met this fate. Others died of disease and, in the case of the women, overwork as slaves. Aguilar and Gonzalo Guerrero (a sailor from Palos de la Frontera in Spain) managed to escape, later to be taken as slaves by another Mayan chief named Xamanzana who was hostile to the first tribe.[3] Here he and Guerrero were able to learn the language of their captors. Aguilar lived as a slave during his eight years with the Maya. His continued fidelity to his religious vows led him to refuse the offers of women made to him by the chief. Guerrero became a war chief for Nachan Kaan, Lord of Chektumal, married a rich Maya woman and fathered the first mestizo children of Mexico.
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>>3093181
wew. i hadn't known that. makes me bit more jaded about the mayas.
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>>3093195
Well can't be surprised of their reaction tbqh
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>>3078913
this is jojo tier
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>>3085314
this, so much this
this is the only thing that pisses me off about chirstianity, it erased every culture it touched
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>>3078890
Were Aztecs the first furries?
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>>3085561
mind that aztecs where just a small minority of the population, most mexican natives under aztec dominion
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>>3093181
Wait, the chief offered women to the Aguilar?
are you sure he was a slave? why would he even do that?
> married a rich Maya woman
Did they treat spaniards as some sort of fashion accessory or something??
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>>3093365
*had different systems
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>>3078557
NOSOTROS ERAMOS REYES
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>>3093396
Slavery was different in Mesoamerica. Could be the Lord just sent to some girls to reward him or make sure his slaves were happy. Didn't some Romans give slaves prostitutes?
If I recall he married the rich girl after he saved the life of general or something. He became a respected warrior and rose his status as he applied spanish tactics to help his Lord win battles.
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>>3083576
>>3083583
>But, the aztecs didnt want to be subjugated,
why subjugate them? because christfags couldn't handle them not needing jesus. this was the time of the inquisitions in Spain. not being christian was punishable by death even for Spaniards. These indians must accept jesus by penalty of death. so they got death.
>pagan society one of the greatest on earth
>same people, now christian, complete 3rd world shithole
really makes you think.
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>>3093396
>Wait, the chief offered women to the Aguilar?
Aguilar managed to pledge for mercy to the chief. Guerrero proved himself a worthy warrior so of course they did not sacrifice him, but even granted him a noble status. They even allowed him to marry a noble woman so his children were born noble too. The conquistadors were trying to get a noble status and not only a single reward for the conquest. The natives in turn were trying to get a political ally after the conquest. That's the whole deal with the women.
>are you sure he was a slave? why would, he even do that?
Perhaps Aguilar was quite well spoken. But for me is clear that the chief was expecting him to be a worthy warrior like Guerrero.
>>married a rich Maya woman
>Did they treat spaniards as some sort of fashion accessory or something??
This level of delusion
>The most of his unfortunate companions had been sacrificed to their gods, and some had died of grief, of which also both the women pined away; being soon worn out by the hard labour of grinding, to which they had been forced by the Indians. He himself had also been doomed as a sacrifice to their idols, but made his escape during the night, and fled to the cazique, with whom he had last been staying, whose name, however, I cannot now remember. Of all his companions, he himself and a certain Gonzalo Guerrero, were only living. He had tried his best to induce him to leave, but in vain.
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>>3079554
>what's threatening
>In 1525, Cortés took Cuauhtémoc and several other indigenous nobles on his expedition to Honduras, as he feared that Cuauhtémoc could have led an insurrection in his absence.[14] While the expedition was stopped in the Chontal Maya capital of Itzamkanac, known as Acalan in Nahuatl, Cortés had Cuauhtémoc executed for allegedly conspiring to kill him and the other Spaniards.
That's what happened to the Aztecs after the conquest. Outright killed when they were not useful, with no trial nor proven facts involved.
Bet you are the same kind of people that chimps out when they read about the refugees raping every euro woman.
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>>3090352
the plague diseases all originate from massive livestock storage/pens in urban environments. these diseases live in huge animals like cows. then they mutate and jump to humans (you've heard of bird flu, swine flu today) but something that lived in a huge cow will kill a person. euro people had lots of cities and extensive trade, but were dirty and with poor ideas about bathing, sewage, and getting rid of the livestock shit. as mentioned upthread, the aztec were clean to a fault and no american natives had much big livestock-type animals (some llama/alpaca maybe) They had no breeding grounds for plague viruses, so they had none to develop an immunity to and then give to the euros.
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>>3091972
What museum is it?
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>>3095100
I'm gonna guess Mexicos Anthropology museum.
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