Thoughts on the newly announced Trojan War Series by BBC and Netflix?

>>3075411
WE

Earth needs the dinasour treatment at this point son(maybe even worse i.e. High speed plagues,nukes)

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>>3075415
WUZ

>>3075411
What the actual fuck, anglos are literally the worst people on the planet.

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Hijacking this thread

Europa awaken.

WE

>>3075435
HEROES

>>3075411
Anglos are a joke.

>>3075453


BBC is literally run by jews that push this shit into everything they do

>>3075411
Well, leaving aside the /pol/tard arguments, Trojans were from modern day Turkey so they were fairly black skinned, maybe not as much as people from Central Africa but they still were more "black" than they were "white", that's for sure.

>>3075549

I'm willing to bet they looked like Spaniards

Don't really see how it's any different to theatre casting conventions, or why people that care about niggers in their tv dramas feel having anglos play inhabitants of greece and asia minor is a non-issue

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>>3075549
Leaving aside the fact that Achilles and Patroklos weren't Trojans

Do these people fucking look black to you

>>3075411
>not filming troy in actual fucking troy
wtf

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>>3075557
Asia minor was brown, so blacks are as good as whites to play them in my book

Pic related is a Mycenean from greece and they were also pretty dark skinned compared to modern Europeans

>>3075562
because troy just has ruins now?

>>3075563
That looks like a Minoan slave. Minoans traded with Egypt, probably got some blacks in exchange for amphorae and olive oil.

>>3075571
A slave dressed well in Mycenean fashion and playing the harp happily?

Don't thik so

>>3075549
Neither Achilles nor Patroklos were Trojan ffs, they were Achaean. And no, ancient Anatolians would not have been very dark-skinned, given the geographic location. However, that is irrelevant as they made Trojans white, according to the cast.

>>3075579
Trojans white?

Not weirder than Myceneans being black in my book

>>3075411
the trojan war was between seapeoples and hittites, and those groups were black, so...

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>>3075549
>these people are black according to liberals

>>3075584
Trojans were not Hittites, they were Hittite vassals sometimes but we don't know their ethnicity

>>3075563
>>3075575
Far as I know, art of the peoples located in Greece had a common convention in depicting men as dark-skinned and women as light-skinned, to represent the tan working men would have. Also, far as I know, Achaeans were part of the indoeuropean migratory tribes. Correct me if I'm wrong.

>>3075585
>>3075558
Turks didn't populate the area at the time. But no, Trojans wouldn't have been black.

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>>3075586
surely you can identify the negroid features of these two peoples?

Turk here. We wuz trojans and shit. we are and wuz white and shiat.
>Mehmed II visited the site of Troy and boasted that he had avenged the Trojans by conquering the Greeks (Byzantines)

Anglo idea of diversity is a planet full of black males

>>3075601

Sounds like you're own cuckold fantasy

>>3075591
Mainland Middle and late bronze age inhabitant of Greece spoke GREEK, this doesn't mean they were pure Yamnaya fresh out of Ukraine, it just means that sometime in the bronze age the native farmer inhabitants of Greece MIXED with some Indoeuropean speaking people, saying that they were Indoeuropean migrating tribes is misleading considering most of the Greek genetic ancestry comes from ANATOLIA and that mainland GREEKS adopted a lot from the MINOAN civilization, a civilization located mainly on Crete with influence over the Aegean islands and some parts of MAINLAND Greece and Western Anatolia, the MAINLAND Greek burrowed architecture, art and sea vessels from the MINOANS, their script, Linear B, which conveyed GREEK, was influenced heavily by the MINOAN script, Linear A, which conveyed an UNKOWN language belonging to an ISOLATED langauge family, Greek was also spoken on CRETE from 1450 bc onward and a lot of the Linear B CORPUS of tables comes from KNOSSOS, which was a POWERHOUSE at the time, with as much as 100 WAR CHARIOTS, as documented from LINEAR B tablets

>>3075596
EXCELLENT picture

I've always noted the EXTREME similarities between the warriors depicted in Late bronze age CYPRUS, and the CONTEMPORARY depiction of sea peoples at the MEDINET Habu temple in EGYPT, Cyprus seems to have been an OPERATIVE BASE of some sort for the sea people, and in FACT we see the arrival of many different ethnicities in LATE BRONZE AGE CYPRUS and vice versa we see CYPRIOT ingots and pottery appearing all over the MEDITERRANEAN, even in the FAR WEST, very, very INTERESTING, Cyprus is CRUCIAL in understanding the identity of the infamous SEA PEOPLES

>>3075595
Turks were just the Ottoman ruling class. Your average peasant or worker still looks the same.

>>3075607

Greek is an indo-european language. And stop typing like a jackass

>>3075600
This.
Take a look at agean turkey and you'll get a idea of how trojans should look like.

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>>3075596
the achaeans aka ancient black mountain tribes displaced by white dorian aryan invaders attacked the black trojans ("the sea peoples") thus unleashing their savage fury across the middle east, thereby causing the bronze age collapse.

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>>3075595
Yep, if anything they would look whiter prior to Turkification
Coastal Thracian Turks today still look whiter than their inner and eastern Anatolian counterparts

>>3075411
>Anglos in charge of anything.
That's an insult to the entire Western Civilization too.

>>3075614
READ my post again, RETARD with an AGENDA and FEW brain cells

>>3075604

Nah I'm not Anglo.

They never give inappropriate roles to Chinese/Indians or whatever. It's always the black pet who gets the white roles.

>>3075612
Thats a bit too simple desu.
In general turks have 15% central asian admixture aside from that turkey is really diverse in phenotypes.

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>>3075619
you can only imagine the amount of fear the egyptians had for the black warrior...

>>3075619
OR you are a retarded nigger or too much cuckoldry IR porn has burn your brain, but Acheans were the Indo European invaders. The people natural there would have looked like Balkanites.

>>3075411
>Thoughts on the newly announced Trojan War Series by BBC and Netflix?
>(«ξανθῆς δὲ kόμης ἕλε Πηλεΐωνα» = "she (Athena) grabbed Achilles by his blonde hair"; Iliad, 1.197
achilles is blond

are they going to let Gyasi's hair grow and dye them blond

a blond afro perhaps

>>3075621

I think a lot of Turks in Thrace are muslims that lived in the balkans and resettled there after they were driven out

>>3075623
Your post assumes that the antolians were living in Greece during the bronze age which they weren't.

>>3075624
Such an obsessed like cuck

>>3075611
Please stop capitalizing random words. It's making your post a pain to read.

>>3075630

>Black peole shouldn't get inappropriate roles because it's disgustingly retarded to worship a specific race
>hurr durr your cukety cuck cuck nothing wrong with a little BBC cuck

>>3075630
>Your post assumes that the antolians were living in Greece during the bronze age which they weren't.

Your reading comprehension is below average, I said that Greeks, like ALL South Europeans MOSTLY descend from Anatolia, as PROVEN by modern Genetic studies

The native inhabitants of HELLADIC Greece were already settled, and in some cases they had towns and small palaces, reminiscent of the much bigger and refined palaces of Minoan Crete, The later "Mycenean" Greeks ower a LOT from these Helladic/Minoan people, and didn't displace the natives, but mixed with them, creating a new ethnicity, this is what common sense dictates, they were Indoeuroepan?

YES, this doesn't really mean they were "migrating" tribes as they were both the descendants of migrating Indoeuropean tribes AND of settled semi-urbanized Minoan influenced Helladics

>>3075633

Yeah your obsessed with both Brits and Blacks. Your faggot ass probably dreams of going to london

>>3075638
>modern

There are places in Greece today where the natives were driven out of by slavic tribes in the 600's ad. And the people from Anatolia came during the Byzantine and Ottoman times

>>3075619
*smacks lips*

>>3075636
>>3075611
>>3075638
why did people start speaking greek in crete? can we learn anything from the cretan dialect today (if there is such a thing?). was the minoan language indoeuropean? were there any languages related to it? why did crete even birth a civilization to begin with that had so much influence? why were they so powerful and then, suddenly, the island was irrelevant for the rest of history? so many questions?

I mean if its a south african movie its reasonable for them to recast it in local terms. How is it different from descendants of the Goths and Vandals to cast themselves as Romans, Greeks, Jews and even Egyptians in historical and biblical dramas. For fuck sake even as american Indians westerns and in some extreme cases as extraterrestrial aliens like klingons even when you can clearly see that they are humans.

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>>3075630
Yep, pretty much the remainder of whats native Anatolian used looks like
Coastal western Anatolian peninsula has always been part of traditional greek hemisphere until Turkish invasion, while the northeast Anatolia are genetically the same as Armenians and Georgians, the southern parts has Semitic and Indo-Iranic influence, overall its safe to assume that they're not black, and look simillar to modern day Turks, safe for few Turkic/Arabic admixture

>>3075648

Klingons are made up.

>>3075648

It's not South African. It's BBC.

>>3075648
I was going to make the exact same post. Given that South Africa is 80% black, it would make sense to use local, black actors. But it's not a South African film, it's just a BBC film being filmed in South Africa, and the cast isn't made of locals either.

>>3075647
>why did people start speaking greek in crete?

Because an elite of Greek warriors imposed its rule over Crete, however other local languages were not completely abandoned as we see that Eteocretan was spoken even during the iron age, archaeologists debate over what exactly happened and how Minoans interacted with Myceneans, the last publication I've talked about how the previous order was kept the same and the changes were minor and how the dominant ethnicity was still Minoan, but of course all migrations that happened so far back in time it is impossible to know exactly how these events transpired.


>was the minoan language indoeuropean?

No, it was a language isolate

> were there any languages related to it?

We don't know and some hypothesis have been made to connect it with other non indoeuropean languages but the evidence for such hypothesis is flimsy at best

>why did crete even birth a civilization to begin with that had so much influence?

Interesting, I've also noted how during the bronze age almost all the Mediterranean islands saw the development of very peculiar and prolific cultures

>suddenly, the island was irrelevant for the rest of history?

This is inaccurate, Crete was the first Greek territory to see the development of life sized human sculptures (the famous kuroi) around 600 bcm, and one of the few places which remained semi-civilized after the BA collapse and which entertained strong relationships with Phoenicians through the early iron age, it also was still relevant through the late bronze age under Mycenean influence, as I've said before Knossos was perhaps the biggest city in all of Mycenean Greece (with maybe Pylos rivaling its size) and it also had by far the most active port west of Syria, Kommos the port of Phaistos, which saw the arrival of mainland Greek, Anatolian, Cypriot, Canaanite and even Sardinian pottery in large quantities during the late bronze age.

>random roles given to black males
>helen of troy is still a beautiful white woman

Some day, Black British women need to stand up for their right to be queens. It just isn't fair that Anglos lust after Black men but not them.

>>3075604
How is it cuckold, he never said anything about letting others fuck his wife etc?

>>3075657
thanks for the answer
>Interesting, I've also noted how during the bronze age almost all the Mediterranean islands saw the development of very peculiar and prolific cultures
it's wierd, what was the reason the islands above all were the leaders in culture but then, for the most part, stopped producing as ebullient cultures again? was it a matter of geography, a certain commodity they happened to monopolize? the fact that they were adept seafarers who could amalgamate the best of the med. basin cultures around them?

>>3075411
I was happy until I saw the sub saharans
Rome was good minus the iron workers so maybe just digitally colourise the two leads
Why not film in Anatolia I thought no one lived near Troy

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>>3075674
I also found weird how much those islands interacted with eachother creating a sort of trade network between them and begin using the same tools, motifs and objects, for instance Cyprus started using a script heavily influenced by Minoan, rather than using, say, Akkadian like nearby Syrians or Canaanites did, or Hittite/Luwian like Anatolians

Or how Sards started using Cypriot tools and similar pottery

>>3075673

He brought up blacks and their dicks first.

Honestly, I no longer care about the identity of an actor as long as it's a good actor.

I remember people whined about Idris Elba playing in Dark Tower too, but it seems ridiculous. Elba is a great actor.

>>3075695

Name some Chinese actors who Brits have given inappropriate roles or even roles at all

>>3075681

The history channel filmed their Hatfield and McCoy mini series in Romania. I assume it has to do with costs

>>3075690
Who knows but the ancient world was more connected than people like to believe

>>3075702
I don't follow british media

>>3075703
At least Romania has the same climate as Troy or rest of the Meds
Can't say the same for south Africa

>>3075721

I believe that parts of South Africa have a Mediterranean climate.

no they didnt

>>3075549
Get fucked they were basically Anatolian Greeks. Have a look at the map across the Aegean seas, who do you think they were likely to share DNA with? Before Seljuk Turks and Arabs invaded.

>>3075411
This will be a

BOX

OFFICE

SMASH

"Thought-provoking and modern classic"

"A modern classic"

"Homer would have been proud"

>>3075759

While they were not in any way black we don't know anything about the genetic differences between Ancient Greeks and nearby Anatolians yet.
It's possible that the Greeks had far more Indo-European admixture and thus lighter phenotypes.

You people are so retarded I ask how can you even breathe, if you had a brain to actually check the link you would none of the pic related will be cast, but you would rather be racebaited than to be smart
Please kill yourselves

>>3075772

They are casting a Ghanalese(David Gyasi) as Achilles

>>3075772
go on imdb.

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>>3075772
I tought the same, then I looked at Imdb , the Achilles and Patroklus actors-

>>3075653
So is the Illiad

>>3075468

White guys need to stop larping as ancient Greeks and romans

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>>3075411

>british people actually have to pay taxes to fund this shit

>its even called the BBC

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*makes you think*

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>>3075772
If you don't trust IMDB for whatever reason:

http://deadline.com/2017/03/troy-fall-of-a-city-cast-bella-dayne-louis-hunter-joseph-mawle-frances-oconnor-david-threlfall-bbc-netflix-1202055633/

>BBC One/Netflix co-production Troy: Fall Of A City has set its cast with Louis Hunter, Bella Dayne, David Threlfall, Frances O’Connor, Jonas Armstrong, Joseph Mawle, Tom Weston-Jones, David Gyasi, Johnny Harris and Chloe Pirrie among those strapping on sandals for the epic tale of mortals and gods
>Gyasi (Interstellar) is Achilles

No mention of Patroklus, but as IMDB was correct with Gyasi I don't see any reason to doubt it. OP is correct, and >>3076178 is also correct in pointing out the clear ideological agenda behind the casting.

If fictional characters being played by people from the wrong ethnic group offends you, how do you manage to watch anything on TV?

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>>3075549
Gr8 b8 m8

>>3076329

A TV drama starring a black african-american playing Martin Luther King and giving the famous speech wouldn't be so ridiculous as a ginger headed white Finnish actor portraying him.

Look how touchy that would make the black population in America!

>b-but it's just an actor!

Just because it's further back in history doesn't mean it's any less relevant for us to try and have a bit more integrity in representing things.

>>3075537
Yes, the jewish plot within bake off was clear.

>>3075657
Correct me if wrong but didn't Sardinian life-sized sculptures predate the kuroi?

>>3075411
It's good to see that it will be portrayed historically accurately for once rather than having white men playing Ancient Greeks.

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>>3076878
Yes, by two centuries or more, that's why I said in Greece

Well, did the text say they WERENT black?

>>3075411
>>3075415
>>3075430
>>3075557
Tbh, I really don't care as long as the actors are talented and no one is daring to claim Trojens were Black historically.
I mean I watch an entire play of Julius Caesar at my University where all the senators except Brutus(guess cause he was married) were played by women. Like even Anthony. I'm not joking. It seems deliberate too. I guess it was part of the writers vision.
White actors have played non white characters before anyway. Now you know how it feels! lol. No, but really besides level of talent, I really don't care. Why does this anger you all so much??? No one really claimed anything. They just want to give more talented actors a chance regardless of race. It is kind of b.s. though since there is even less Asian representation than blacks even when you compare percentage of population, yet no one really couches for them.
>>3075563
Fucking this anyway.

>>3075411
I just don't watch the BBC anymore

>>3075411
Who cares about the casting? The way they will (inevitably) maul the story of the Iliad will be far worse, because it will of course be building up to THE BIG FIGHT between Achilles and Hector, despite everything Homer does to undercut the showdown when it happens and the real conflict being the Achilles vs Agammemnon one.

>>3075411
A new comedy about smoking weed and grabbing the pussies?

>>3075496

AND

>>3075657
>>3075647
Didn't Crete get fucked over by a terrible volcanic eruption that occurred?

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>>3076889
>>3076143
>TIL I'm no longer white

Whitey bedda pay

What I fail to understand is why they insist on this shitty fictional revisionism. They could just shot a story from actual African history if they wanted to portray negroes that much.
It's almost as if the important tusk from their side is to portray black people in european context.

>>3076998
That happened almost 200 years before Mycenean conquered the island

Glad to see it will be as historically accurate as other movies about Troy.

>>3077055
You never was, my brown hombre

>>3077110
Are you whitesplaining to me?

>>3075411
>Achilles will die when some 5'0" white guy shoots him in the dick with an arrow, his dick being his only weakness as his mother held him by it as she dunked him in the river

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Well at least Zeus is right.
Holy fuck how did this happened?

>>3075411
Just how hard is it to find mediterranean looking people?

>>3076972
SHEIT!

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Just released production photo.

>>3077059
Oh my bad. My knowledge of early bronze age civilizations is quite meager.

>>3076930
When have whites played played non-whites
You're smoking crack?

>>3075411
I think the only way they'll get people to watch it is using cheap infamy tactics like this to stir up controversy. It's also a fantastic failsafe to guard yourself with if it flops. "It wasn't a bad idea/production! The public is just racist!"

>>3078200
?????????? Huh?
The movie that just came out about Ghost in the shell had Major kusinagi plyee by a white woman.
Dragon Ball Goku played by a white guy
Moses in 10 commandments played by a white dude with blue eyes and every single person, even the guards in that movie, was white.
Nearly every person was white and every relevant character was white.
Pretty much any movie where Asians were supposed to be the main cause or most of the cast should have been Asian, was replaced by a white person. Now obviously it's a double standard how no one stays much about this when it comes to Asians as I pointed out, but still whites have always played non whites, especially back in the day when whites made up almost 100% of Hollywood.
Now it's more like 80%

>>3078200
You didn't answer my question though? Why does this anger you so much? Before you say anything, I was not butthurt about God's of Egypt like most people were. I do understand though why it technically is not historically accurate to have Northern Europeans and an all white cast period for such a movie.
Talent is talent right? If a white person who talented has to play an Asian than let them. If a black person who is talented can do a good job as a character that was supposedly white(especially if fictional) then let them.

>>3078029
Is that supposed to be her with Menelaeus or with Paris?

>>3078029
You idiot! It's fake.

>>3075774
>Ghanalese

it's Ghanaian you fucking idiot

>ghanalese

fucking kek

>>3078295
I agree, everything should be made accurate, Asian settings should be played by Asians, and if this movie were to be played by whites, he should at least be Mediterranean looking and not northern looking ones like the previous Troy movie with Brad Pitt, you're right its pure hypocrisy

>>3078200
charlton heston-moses
john wayne-genghis khan
alec guinness as that arab guy
john rhys davies as that other arab guy
any white actor playing jesus.

>>3075621
>Finding the whitest turks possible to back up your argument

Mate, there are pale Turks, but even on the coast they still look like MEDITERRANEAN PEOPLE. This is to say like Greeks, Cypriots, Sicilians, etc.

Anyway, Central Asians aren't particularly dark skinned, so I seriously doubt the natural tone of skin would have changed much.

Dont worry goy, we are not replacing your people, we are just slowly integrating diversity into all aspects of life and saving the lives of millions of refugees.

>>3075411
This is fucking disgraceful.
White people cucked beyond redemption. This is what happens when you let multiculturalism into your society.

>>3078548
Khan had red hair

>>3078295
Difference is Asians have a entertainment industry in their own countries not as big as US but still number 2 plus it's fiction too you sperg.

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>>3079011
WE

>>3079018
So?
Everyone have their own movie industry, doesn't mean you could racewash everything

>>3079032

Ghengis Khan was described as having red hair by the Chinese

>>3078703
why?
it's just a movie. as long as the actors are talented who cares right? Why are you so Invested in this? I think anyone regardless of race, so invested in the race of actors playing a character is retarded.

>>3079161

Because it's blatant propaganda

>>3075411
WE WUZ EVERYTHANG

>>3079168
No it isnt. at worst it is creating more representation for talented young actors of all races. At best, it's the makers not really caring about race and choosing the best actor.
Why take it so perosnal? YOURE NOT Trojan anway. Plus the writers aren't trying to say Trojans were all negroid. that is just the conclusion you are jumping to

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>jesus
Ye *clap emoji*
Shu *clap emjoi*
a

>>3079186

I beat any amount of money that Achilles played by a man from Ghana will fuck Aphrodite who is played by a redhead. Or something similar will happen. If it doesn't happen I would be extremely surprised

>>3079186
No, at worst it is ahistorical bullshit. Like when Tom Cruise was the Last Samurai.

>>3079205
Tom cruise still plays a white man and the story was inspired by real story of Jules Brunet
You can't say the same with blond Achilles suddenly became black

>>3079193
She'll get BLACKED just like in all those videos you like to watch

>>3079226

>projecting

Anyone that watches any modern drama from the BBC/movie from the U.K can tell you that race mixing happens in most of them even if it doesn't make sense or is needed

>>3079231
first of all, it's a movie. Relax, no one is really "mixing" here irl, you autist.
2nd, when does it make sense and when does it not make sense? It's my understanding that it just happens randomly sometimes. I know a Jordanian that married a Peurto Rican. I know a Korean dude who married a African girl. Get over yourself.
it,doesn't happen all the time but it can amd when it does, there is nothing wrong with it.

>>3079224
Achilles was blond? He's macedonian now too?

>>3079253

I mean to the plot of the movie

A secret agent or cop trying to seduce a druglord would make sense.

It's blatant propaganda, it's extremely obvious to anyone that can scrap together 2 brain cells

>>3079258
«ξανθῆς δὲ kόμης ἕλε Πηλεΐωνα» = "she (Athena) grabbed Achilles by his blonde hair"; Iliad, 1.197)

>>3079267
this means nothing
unless you also think the sea was "wine colored"

anyway the skin colour of the actors doesn't matter unless you're racist

>>3079205
Whatever, who cares. I certainly don't. It's a movie
People are mad more when whites play nonwhite characters because whites already make up most of hollywood and very few characters are black or asian. So the few that exist shouldn't be taken bywhites that make up 80% of the industry, is their feeling. of course, I don't really care personally as I said.

>>3079280

>eeeeeee! eeeeeeeeeeeee!

You got caught out you little pickaninny!
Caught out!

>>3079280
Wine colored sea is a poetic desription of blood drenched water/mythical place rather than real sea
Its a physical description, how does it means nothing? it was also the defining physical trait which differs him to other characters, its important
Might as well put a jean on and have a ghetto street war setting instead of period historic one, fuck accuracy right?

>>3079297
?

>>3079310
>fuck accuracy
if you care so much about accuracy demand the characters to be played by greeks
otherwise it's just retarded racist bullshit

>>3079265
The plot of the movie has nothing to do with the color of the characters skin or hair though.Again, why are you so threatened by this? interact al marriages /couples do happened sometimes irl. it's not a big deal and shouldn't be.
No one said anything when Batman was still white and cat woman was played by Halle Berry. Patrokles and Achilles are mostly gay anyway. Assuming youre racist or alt right(which you probably are), why do you care if they are black?
It's not like,any of this,should matter anyway, it's just movie. Fuck all you people (black or white) that make a big deal.

>>3079320

I think you are retarded to not see what the goal is here

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>>3079318
As long as the actors look Greek, it wouldn't matter, infact I have no problem if Greek passing Turks/ME like pic related played it
Casting a black or Asian is pure bullshit though

>>3075411
>BBC
Isn't the BBC known for being incredibly politically correct? And isn't it funded by taxpayers?

>>3079344

yes and yes

>>3079326
No, you see what you want to see. You think a black guy going with a white in movies is forcing race mixing more. its not first off, since people for the most part have and will usually prefer to mary their own race(more likely to have something in common).
Plus this whole thread is retarded. Achilles doesn't fall for Helen so what does him being black have to do with anything anyhow? Again, why are you so scared? You need to relax and quit being so hateful of other people irrationally. it's dumb. This whole actor's race thing is really not a big deal, especially for whites considering most characters and people in the industry are white still. Whites are in so many more movies in,America and Europe.but really, imo it's dumb for any race to ever be mad about different race actors.
I now what they are doing, I told you at worst, they are ting to get more black represention in the film industry. they ate not trying to brainwash white women to marry black men more lol.

>>3079040
Not true,and once again the whitewashing in Asian films is fiction

>>3079381
see
>>3079344

>>3079205
Except tom cruise actually plays a white man in the movie you down syndrome autistic.

>>3079381
Except this is a period movie anon, using a black actor as Greek is as stupid as European knights wearing Samurai armour

It 's mythology at most loosely based on history, so who cares? Britbongs come from as far away from Greece as black people anyway.

>>3079152
Why? I know the Mongols were described as a red haired green eyed people, where did this come from? They don't look like that any more. Tocharians?

>>3079430
But these men will be wearing Greek armor. bad comparison, its not the same. Acting is an art. Don't get too caught up in the artist.Just enjoy the craft more. People need to remember this. If they did then none of these race issues would come up from either side.

>>3079443

I have to assume the man had red hair. And in Central Asia Caucasian features were always around

>>3079454
The real art of acting is in the theatre. There I can excuse black actors playing greek roles. However they have a crazy budget so they could get Mediterranean looking people easily.

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>be britshit"
>have a central news channel called BBC

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>>3079439
Brits can still pass off as Greek
>>3079454
Its a perfect equivalent for the incorrect visual and physical presentation, a movie need more than a good acting
>>3079443
>>3079457
Pic related, some northeast Asians have red hair though its rare

Achilles could have been black. Take a break from this racist cesspool and go read a book, better yet go to /his/ where not everyone is hooked into the alt right hivemind.

>>3079490
See >>3079267

>>3079490
>go to /his/

So thats your problem?
While movies utilize less art than stage theater, they still use the art of acting. Some movie stars went to theater school too after all.
If that's you're problem, I don't see the difference with why people didn't get mad at their production of Rome. They were all mostly British after all. And if we are going to gwt into this more , all movies about Rome have,been shit for not giving them at least Italian accents.

Sorry I still don't see why this should be a problem other than your obtuse attitude or hate for blacks.It's a movie. None if this,shit should ever be a problem

>>3079502
>>3079509
oh shit I thought I was on pol, fucking kek

>>3079485
>>3079472
Meant to add you guys to this
>>3079514

>>3079516
>oh shit I thought I was on pol
Do you go to /pol/ just to whiteknight nigs?

>>3079310
That actually sounds pretty fucking awesome. Modern urban The Wire style retelling of the Trojan War as a fight between two rival gangs over drug profits. The "gods" are the cops and other city officials trying to interfere...

>>3079565
Its not you fucking idiot

>>3079581
>>Its not...

It's not what? Awesome? Ok I respect your opinion anon...not sure what your talking about but I'm sure a rational dialogue will grow from this

>>3079565
That sounds awful.

>>3079565
That sounds like a real piece of shit.

>>3079627
>>3079638

Did you two absolutely unique gentleanons not like the Wire?

>>3079381
>lel man why are you so irrational it's not like they're blackwashing your history while also supporting the invasion of your country by hordes from africa and justifying by saying it "we've always been mixed people!"
Fuck off and die

>>3079641
No, it's just that the "let's take this classical story and retell it in a modernized setting" is always shit.

ITT: People incapable of suspending disbelief.

>>3079523
I consider myself more of a Black Knight but yeah basically

>>3079652
>hehe anon why should we get mad about the continual wewuzzing of european history anon
>no, anon, you don't understand, white washing is baaaad
Anon, if the race doesn't matter, why not have him played by a mediterranean or even average european guy.

>>3079516
You are

>>3079665
He's baiting you,he's obviously a mutt and why is this thread still up.Have the mods hung themselves a month ago?

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>>3079652
>the only argument liberals have for this horrible casting is LOL JUST TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF

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>>3078308

The issue with this: productions like The King and I are MEANT for an Asian guy to play the king, and a white woman to play the female lead. Othello is MEANT for a black man to play FUCKING OTHELLO THE MOOR OF VENICE. You don't give the part of the major in GiTS to a white woman. I can only forgive Ghandi being played by Ben Kingsley because he is half Gujarati, the ethnicity Ghandi was.

There are perfectly capable actors of every race who are better fit to play the roles in cinema without the bullshit excuse of "artistic license on X media or X history".

The King and I is not the same play if the cast is all white, or even if just the king is played by a white man.
Othello is not the same play if there is no black man, an absolute necessity to the play
Ghost in the Shell is not the same movie if a white woman plays the part of Major, who is both culturally and ethnically Japanese

The same follows here. The Greeks are generally considered white 3200ya and you shouldn't fuck with that. You want to have more black people in your shows? Then make some fucking media about black people! Don't shoehorn in people that shouldn't be in a particular piece of media just because you have an agenda to push. This is just fucking wrong. Let white people play white people. Let Asians play Asians. Let black people play black people. And let anyone play a character from media where the race is neither implied nor establish by cultural or historical tradition.

TL;DR Make people the right race based on the media.

Also, Ainsley Harriett should play Diomedes if they're just gonna make main characters black for no particular reason.

>>3079714
>You don't give the part of the major in GiTS to a white woman.
I'd argue that it's justified in the fact that it's not her real body and is just a shell based on a model

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>>3079722
I'll cede that point, even though I disagree with you. Even so, the rest of my statement stands.

>>3079335
Why are the woman dressed in the West Euro?

>>3080211
Those are harem girls and a princess so they don't have to wear veils when at home at the palace.

You guys say that this isn't a problem yet you were complaining about movies like Apocalypto for not using historical buildings of the time period. So are you telling me that you would be fine if all the actors in that movie were played by blonde Swedes but the buildings, costumes, language and pretty much everything else was historically accurate? A historical movie about the Zulus that everything is accurate except that all the actors are Asians is fine? It doesn't break your immersion or anything, right?

And if you don't mind historical inaccuracies in movies then what the fuck are you doing here? I would expect people that love history to want historical movies to be both accurate and enjoyable.

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>>3080236
Their dress is kinda mixed Europe-ME

>>3080350
There comes a point where we have to bend ancient cultural norms to accommodate our modern sensibilities. They took out the part about Patroclus being Achilles's butt boy in the 2004 Troy because that would be absolutely unpalatable to an Amerifat audience.

I do concede however that people should stop whitewashing or we wuzing historical shit. It's fucking disgraceful and turns away people who would have otherwise enjoyed their favorite eras being adapted to film.

>>3079714
It's a reimagining, they have every right to do with it what they please.

Besides, wouldn't it have been equally stupid to have the Greeks played by Nordics? After all, they aren't Greek either.

How do you stand on Ran, btw?

Also

> Ethnically Japanese
> Robot

err...

>>3080373
>Patroclus being Achilles's butt boy
That's debatable and there's a difference between the historical accuracy of the story and the setting. For example the story can change slightly in order to make something more dramatic (like the Apollo 13 movie). The setting though should be as historically accurate as possible.

>>3080406
> historically accurate
> Illiad

>>3080402
Different anon

Greece and Troy are part of the Mediterranean/European/ME world (depending on time). Best bet if you can't cast wholly from Greece and Turkey would be to focus on actors from this reason who look the part ethnically, and can do the job.

>Ran
Ran is a complete re-imagining. Not only are the actors changed to Japanese, so are their names, the location, the art and even the language. If this was the Trojan War re-imagined as a conflict between African kingdoms or tribes I'd have no problem, but this isn't even close to that. This is just the usual, hamfisted, diversity quota box ticking that plagues the BBC

>>3080418
> look the part ethnically

Diane Kruger, Brendan Gleeson and Brad Pitt are about as far from Greek-looking as they are from black. I assume your outrage was equal about the 2004 movie?

In fact, there's plenty of nonsensical casting choices in this one; Lex King and Louis Hunter are pretty fucking far from Greek as well.

> Ran was a complete reimagining

This is pretty close to that as well. The language is changed and the ethnicity of the characters has been made completely irrelevant. I'm sure the cities and clothing will look nothing like ancient Greece as well.

> Ham-fisted, diversity quotas

Seems to me you have a pre-conceived notion of what the BBC is like. Do you have any quotes from the filmmakers to back this up?

>>3076927
Yes it does

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>>3080402
Her name is Motoko Kusanagi and she's Japanese you dolt
>>3080434
Nah aside from Brad pitt, they all can fit as Greek, even features like Brad Pitt are also available in Greece though its rare
If you really desperate to hire black people for their talent/whatever, at least make them look their part like pic related

>>3080456
she looks about as white as she looks Japanese, the only distinctively Japanese thing about her is her name

> Brendan Gleeson and Diane Kruger can fit as Greek

Ever looked at a Greek vase? How many of them depict characters with blonde or red hair?

>>3080434
Yeah, gonna say other Indo-Europeans are closer to Greeks than Sub-Saharans. But no, I wouldn't be especially happy with an all nordic cast either, although they certainly fit the part better. But I'd be highly surprised if they couldn't find enough actors from various Med countries, who would fit the ethnic component of the role a lot better.

>Ran
Please. There not even close. Ran is Kurosawa using King Lear to portray an idea he had after reading about the succession of Mori Motanari's sons. This is another Trojan War series with the usual BBC casting.

No quotes on from the filmmakers, but here's the BBC diversity quota targets
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2016/diversity

>>3080434
In my perfect world, it would be an all Greek cast. Nord casting is retarded. But it's at least somewhat closer than black. Norms or anglos are at least fellow caucasions and nord-looking Greeks do exist. Blacks are completely off looking for this part. It's like the difference between having Koreans played by say Chinese actors or whites. Obviously Korean is preferable but Chinese would be less preferable to whites who wouldn't fit at all.

>>3080469
Iliad 3.121: "white-armed Helen". The passage immediately following that line describes the embroidery of the purple linen piece which Helen is wearing in the scene.

Odyssey 22.224: "high-born Helen of the white arms"
Iliad 3.171: "Helen, fair among women"
Iliad 3:228: "long-robed Helen, fair among women"
Odyssey 4.120: "Helen, like Artemis of the golden arrows"

In each of the following lines/passages of the Iliad, in appearance she is described simply as "fair-haired Helen":
Book 3 in between Lines 324 & 340; Book 7, Line 354; Book 8 in between Lines 78 & 97; Book 9 in between Lines 328 & 346; & Book 11, Line 368 & in between Lines 489 & 516.
Menelaus himself also sometimes referred to as "fair-haired" in certain parts of the above books of the Iliad as well as when he features in the Odyssey.

>>3080476
I guess what I don't understand is this "closer"-argument. If you're not gonna be faithful anyway, who cares if the wrongful casting choice is Nordic or black? You've already broken immersion

>>3080486
good point, I concede the Helen part

>>3080402
>It's a reimagining
It's not. Ran is though as the other anon explains
>they have every right to do with it what they please.
Yes and I have every right to criticise it for being rubbish.
>Besides, wouldn't it have been equally stupid to have the Greeks played by Nordics?
It would. But English aren't Nordics. A lot of them can pass as Mediterraneans. Unless you think Meds look like Arabs.
>>3080434
>Diane Kruger, Brendan Gleeson and Brad Pitt are about as far from Greek-looking as they are from black
Yeah you pretty much know nothing about how Greeks look like
t.Greek
>This is pretty close to that as well
The story being pretty much the same except that some actors are black make it a re-imagining? I guess you think every single movie adaptation is a re-imagining as well.
>Ever looked at a Greek vase? How many of them depict characters with blonde or red hair?
Achilles is mentioned in the Iliad as being blonde. Just like modern day some Greeks had blonde/red hair (a minority though).

>>3080488
>I guess what I don't understand is this "closer"-argument. If you're not gonna be faithful anyway, who cares if the buildings are 800 BC Greek palaces or modern age skyscrapers ? You've already broken immersion

>>3080485
*more preferable to whites

>>3075563
Apparently minoans were two-dimensional and had the anatomy of a agent orange victim

Fucking retards thinking non-naturalistic art is a good source for how people looked

>>3075411
>Trojans are white
>Greeks are black
Heh.

>>3079642
but they're not....most people marry their own race like I said. It's just more comfortable that way for people culturally and interest wise. The black pop in Europe isn't even that high. And any differences in numbers is due to whites not having nay kids since they can afford/have access to birth control. Other ehtnicities follow suit enough when when they aren't in poverty/low income. It's poor people universally who have the most kids.

>>3080546
Butthurt Nordicist retard

>>3075591
This is retarded on simo many levels, Myceneans dud occasionally paint blonde people, it's just that it was 0,1% of The people They painted, suggesting They were pretty dark On average

>>3080642
Paris is white but Aeneas is black. Shit is whack

>>3080766

Or maybe they thought it looked better to depict brown hair as black

Indo-Europeans were neither black nor blonde haired as majority but brown

>>3080752
> you're a nordicist if you don't believe WE WUZ

>>3077055
Hahaha you greasy guinea.

>>3076930
Achilles was from Thessaly and Patroclus was from Locris. They were fighting the Trojans.

>>3080402
The major is Japanese before she is a robot
The manufacturer for her body is Japanese
The architect that designed the unit is Japanese
>justifiably white in the live action movie

You don't find it the slightest bit off that she doesn't look Japanese at all? Like not even a little?

>>3080773
Check your autism, it might help to have a diagnosis

>>3080402
It's not a reimagining; don't pretend it is. It's the BBC making another black Lancelot because they have a required minority quota for shows now.

Finally we can unearth the unspoken history of how the ancient Ebonoid galactic empire used their melanin powered stargate to evacuate the city of DeTroyt before the wh*te cave men battered down the titanium walls using only wooden clubs.

>>3075585
>liberals think all shitskins are niggers
/ourguys/?

>>3081309
Japs love BWC; it is known.

>>3078200
>What's whitewashing

And you're all gonna watch it anyway

>>3081536
/thread

>>3081343
Kind of this...however, I would like to add that many of the black actors they are trying to get are quite talented. Let's see how these guys do before we say it was an unnecessary change, eh?
No one said anything when Morgan Freeman played Red in Shawshank Redemption and nearly perfected the role.
>inb4 fictional characters
I know but for all we know, everyone in the Iliad could be too so who cares? Yes they are based from societies that actually existed but hardly historical film is that accurate with getting the exact ethnicity in exchange for talent and complaining about it now is super hypocritical.

So can we let go of this stupid thread now?
This isn't an attempt to re-image history. It's not an attempt to promote more interracial coupling(no amount of brainwashing could do that anyway).>>3079381

Moreover, Achilles and Patroklus were fucking gay anyway! These two black guys will likely be fucking each other(BBC is progressive remember?), not white women.
Get over yourselves.

>>3081536
I don't watch anything outside of hogmanay on the bbc anymore.

>>3079388
I don't see how that proves anything. Just because it is government money doesn't mean it is trying to do anything more than give black talented actors more opportunities.
Even if they weren't it would be hardly successful for reason I already stated. Also why are you so scarred? Why do you care so much more when it's white woman with black men as compared to black women with white men? You cannot be this insecure.

>>3079381
(((You)))

>>3081317

So you disagree that Indo-Europeans had brown hair?

I mean it's a pretty safe guess considering Lithuanians have brown hair

>>3081530
t.Orlando Rickkson

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I for one would like a period correct miniseries about a band of sea peoples.

>>3082287
>everyone from Sardinia to Greece to Egypt to Morocco is played by a nigger

>>3082305
Well the sea peoples were allied with North Africans so some black people were certainly among them

My fanny isn't flustered, but we know this wouldn't fly today if a white person were cast in a majority African tale. Everyone would be triggered if Okonkwo from "Things fall apart, " were plated by a white guy, no matter how good of an actor he maybe.

>>3079714
>You don't give the part of the major in GiTS to a white woman
the creator of the comic OK'd it, so...

>>3075411
Not that we're likely to get either, but I'd much rather have a Trojan War series with ahistorical casting that stuck to the themes, tone, and plot of the Iliad; than one that cast people as racially authentic to the cast of characters we see and builds it up as a mindless action/war flick.

>>3082307
This is the logic that made 80% of the German military black in Battlefield 1.

>>3079335
The people in your pic are actually whiter than Greeks

>>3075411
If it's being made in South Africa then it makes sense that the characters might be South African. So tbqh, I don't really care. Not every show is a high budget blockbuster that can afford to recruit from around the world and look for perfect candidates for every role.

Also, who the fuck "should" even play Trojans anyway? There no modern Trojans. Modern Greeks have a tenuous blood connection with ancient Greeks and of course if Turks (modern inhabitants of Trojan land) were used for the role /pol/ would still have a fit.

Overall getting upset over shit like this is just infantile. Do you sperg out when Englishmen play Julius Caesar in Shakespeare plays? Of course you don't, because they're white. It's not historical accuracy that's bugging you, it's just racism.

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>>3082353
Well you get neither, instead of authentic reinterpretation of Iliad, or typical mindless action/war flick, you get a game of throned crap plus progressive values!
Fucking bullshit

>>3079310
Wine colored because homeric Greeks didn't have a word for blue

If the race didn't matter why the fuss over gods of Egypt?

The cast should look Mediterranean

>>3079381
How would you like a mostly Mexican casting of Roots?

>>3079454
Let's do a ww 2 film with Hasidic Jews as Nazis, and Arabs as the allies

>>3079490
He was described as blond

>>3079644
Apocalypse Now, which was based on Heart of Darkness, was decent.

>>3075411

This shit is getting out of hand.

>>3081536
NOPE
I didn't watch GitS, I didn't watch the new Fantastic Four, I didn't watch Gods of Egypt, I'm not going to watch this shit either.

>>3075654
Holy shit did you not read the entire thing? It's being shot in South Africa.

>>3079714
When minorities complained about not being in media
>Who cares! Connect with the characters not their personalities, and if you don't like that just make your own stuff
Now
>We said make your own stuff not take our stuff, its harder to like them if they aren't like me

>>3082365
Except one is true the other isn't?

>>3075411
I don't care as long as they throw in there some dendra armours, chariots and 8-shaped shields.
Hope it's not another,
>"lol ancient greece dude, hoplites and marble temples for 1150 years"
production.