Anti-Commie hate

>>3051206
Do you think capital is evil?

>>3051206
>HURR

Yeah, no. People despise your worthless cult because of the actions of those who affiliate themselves to it. You can say ABLOO BLOO BLOO all you like, you scum made your bed, now die in it.

>>3051235
Are you okay?

>>3051242

I'm not the mentally defective manbabby who thinks "HURR GOMMUNISM CULD TOTES WORK U GAIS XD"

>>3051248
Good for you my friend. Really.

>>3051206
You're using the term in a very broad sense.

Are you strictly referring to the theory of communism? Or are you referring to it's historical significance?

>>3051248

>'m not the mentally defective manbabby

according to your posts ITT thus far, I would call that into question. Not even a gommunist

>>3051251
>It's instead of its, fucking autocorrect

>>3051251
Communism by the definition of Karl Marx.

>>3051252
>HURR

Moron.

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>>3051266

>From each according to his ability
Why though? Someone may have the ability to work on fixing cars but he may enjoy cooking more, should he have to work only on what he's more skillful at? And who determines where he's more skillful at in such example?
>to each according to his needs
Who is to say what people need?

>>3051206
List some examples of a succesful communist society. I'll wait.
If you manage even one, I'll concede communism hasn't been a complete disaster that is only supported by utter retards post 1991.

>>3051289
There's never been a Communist society

A currently successful Socialist society would be Rojava.

>>3051283
>Who is to say what people need?

Government. And they decided that you don't need food because you're a kulak

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>>3051206
>say fascism is equal to national socialism, equal to capitalism
>proceed to hate the formers more than capitalism
>complains when people think you are a non-binarian lesbian afroamerican SJW woman

>>3051309
There is no state under Communism

>>3051206
Anti-communism is the natural position of anyone with an IQ over 80.
It makes sense, really, as opposition to communism is the worlds only objective virtue.

>>3051316
Funny how there always is, though.
Almost as though...communism is an unviable ideology? But how can that be? Some long dead old fart who's been wrong about pretty much everything so far said otherwise!

>>3051300
>here's never been a Communist society
thank you and goodnight.

>>3051328
>>3051331
You're proving OP's point.

>>3051235
>because of the actions of those who affiliate themselves to it
Like doubling China's population, doubling China's life expectancy, pushing China's literacy from 17% to 90% in just 2 decades? Like economic growth of 900% during Stalin's Five Year Plans, boosting Soviet literacy from 20% to 90% in a single decade, boosting Soviet life expectancy by 150% in just two decades?

Fucking disgusting commie faggots. Poor people don't deserve healthcare, education, or a lifespan over 30. Only wealthy Jewish bankers deserve fundamental human rights.

>>3051283
The People, in both cases. The Proletariat. Are you asking ironically or do you truly know dick about communism?

>>3051346
imagine being this brainwashed.
Communist delusion is a powerful thing.
Wait, not powerful, hilarious to watch. Keep sporting, retard.

>>3051336
Prove me wrong.

>>3051346
Capitalist countries managed to achieve that and more without massive famines, dictatorships, civil war and fudging their statistics.
This doesn't account for absolute shitshow a like in Cambodia and North Korea.
Really, what is the upside to communism, because I'm not seeing it.

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>>3051346
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

1/?

If people were perfect communism would be great, but humans are naturally flawed so it's impossible to put into practice

>>3051336
There's never been a communist society, he admitted it.
People hate communism because it can't be achieved, but has failed catastrophically whenever someone has tried.

>>3051346
This fellow comrade has no idea what 900% means, nor how you measure real literacy, never mind all the crazy atrocities he chooses to forget

>>3051264
The only criticism I have against communism with respect to its original conception is the danger of a self appointed leader. One can refer to analogies in biology (but I'll spare us some of the cringe), but in this case Plato would be a better reference with respect to evil men taking power over a given society.

In short, communism allows a void for a leader-whoever that individual may be-to exploit a so called Marxist society.
>This argument is meh

If we don't limit ourselves to strictly theory and include communism in practice, the conversation becomes a shit storm.
>Real communism has never been practiced
>Muh Cold war mentality
>Holodomor

It's fun arguing with people over this shit, but it does a poor job reflecting the true ordeals society faces in the 21st century (meaning, a.i, individualism, singularity, automation, North v South as opposed to East v West)
>>3051264

>>3051206
>>3051346
>>3051404
Nevermind, it's another Stalin was great episode.

>Literacy rates go up by 900 percent
Because all the people that couldn't read starved to death, they couldn't give boiled grass to everyone ya know.

>>3051426
>90*

>>3051206
Cold War brainwashing is pretty heavy. It's how Amerifags accept shit like faggotry, degeneracy and decadence BECAUSE IT ISNT MUH COMMIE RASSIYA

The wrong side won the Cold War.

>>3051346
Yep capitalism work great.

>>3051376
Sad!

>>3051377
THIS.

communism in theory would be something everyone regardless of class, status, race, sexual origin, age would thrive in, BUT....as with any form of government, communism also has to be run by someone. People have flaws and ulterior motives.

In practice going back to 1917, communism has been ruled by ONE Man telling society how much they can have, what they can have, and where to have it.

under communism, if you are a successful fisherman and can supply your family all the fish you can eat for two weeks, you can kiss your catch goodbye as that goes into the "pool" to be shared into the community. What communist apologists fail to see here is that there ARE going to be people within that community who will not pull their weight to help the community for the benefit of the whole. So they will do less because someone else will provide for the community anyway. This isn't always true. But for the most part, if humans can take advantage of it they will.

I've only touched the economic side of it. When it comes to health, if you have cancer and need treatment, you are at the mercy of communist bureaucrats telling you whether or not you need treatment and instead of referring you to a specialist, you are given someone from another field. How do I know this? I knew someone from Cuba who went through it. What's ironic is that Fidel used to go to Spain for his treatments. That's communism for you.

>>3051370
Capitalist countries like India have a literacy rate of 74%. Maoist China had a literacy rate of 90% in the 1960's, Stalinist Russia in the 1950's.

In your capitalist utopia of India, social mobility for 90% of citizens is literally impossible. 80% of children are severely malnourished. Most of the population lives on the brink of starvation.

The Khmer rouge in Cambodia was actually supported by Kissinger. It was Communist Vietnam which invaded Cambodia and overthrew Pol Pot.

North Korea isn't a "shitshow". According to the South Korean Hyundai Research Institute, North Korea's annual economic growth of 9% makes it the fastest growing economy in the world.

>>3051377
>communism says capital is ebul
>but ohh people are too evil to accept communism

Ahahahahaha

>>3051206
>>>/pol/

>>3051465
>believing communist propaganda about literacy
China has different dialects, their language system is a mess, only the minority is marginally literate there

>>3051206
IMO Marx was just able to recognize negative consequences of industrial revolution, crazy amounts of overproduction that only furthered the gape between poor and the rich.

Our world actually accepted many positive things of Marxist teachings, we (well most of us anyway) no longer slave away 14 hours in pitiful conditions for a meagre pay, we have public schools, healthcare, paid vacations, etc. People generally live in work in a far more dignifying way than they did in Marx's time, and i think Marx would be pleased by that. Social democracy is at this point probably the most realistic thing we can come with from Marxist ideology.

The hierarchies will always naturally be formed and the state will somehow always still exist, so i don't agree with Marx with the whole "end of history" thing (which is funny because liberal capitalism actually accepted the same idea with after fall of the Wall, albeit modified). Maybe some form of communism will exist one day when most of the manual jobs are automatized and technology allows the production to be high enough to support it all. It is to be seen.

Marx is a VERY important thinker and his works should be approached more carefully.

>>3051346

Worst post of the week, congrats

>>3051206
>17 posters
>43 posts

Kek, shit bait copy pasta thread

>>3051289
Soviet Union under Stalin. China under Mao. Democratic Korea under Kim Il Sung. Vietnam under Ho Chi Minh. Communists in Kerala brought that region's HDI (Human Development Index) above that of some European countries. Cuba under Castro.

All of these societies provided their citizens universal healthcare and education, something you blatantly lack in the "Land of the Free". Those countries took care of their children, spending large sums of money on free after-school extracirricular activities, so kids don't start joining gangs and shooting each other like in the JewSA. Those countries promoted a culture and value system which lionized bravery, honest labor, and patriotism, instead of porn, drugs, and degeneracy like in Western crapitalism.

>>3051376
Even Western crapitalist scholars are forced to grudglingly admit China's spectacular progress under Mao.

This is a literal US government website:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4331212/

>China's growth in life expectancy between 1950 and 1980 ranks as among the most rapid sustained increases in documented global history

Funny how I'm the only one actually citing reputable sources, facts, and statistics, whereas your anti-communist "sources" consist of 4chan screencaps, memes, and "redpilled" YouTube videos.

I have read Das Kapital and the Communist Manifesto. All the way through there was a double standard, attributing all the world's ills to capitalism while glossing over the possibility that corruption might also afflict the communists and workers.

It really made me think. What about the person who obtains capital through free exchange and without exploiting anyone?

>>3051496
Even the Jew York Times admits China under Mao saw a remakrable growth in literacy and education. It's true China has many dialects, but the Communist Party tried to address this by creating simplified Chinese, much easier to write, read, and learn than traditional Chinese.

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/college/coll-china-education-001.html#peoples1

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/12/news/chinas-long-but-uneven-march-to-literacy.html

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>>3051598
>What about the person who obtains capital through free exchange without exploiting anyone?
Can you give an example?

>>3051527
This. Took the words right out of my mouth.

>>3051618
Nice. That screencap from an anonymous image board totally BTFOs all those cited facts, statistics, and documents. Capitalism wins yet again.

>>3051565
>links on solely mortality decline
Seen under many circumstances, most were non-communist circumstances

Ncbi is full of bad science, it is just a standard place to post stuff. I'm from STEM, I have to deal with this daily

Pre-capitalist china was so great they had to make capitalistic and enslave their population again on cheap labor, huh brother?

Don't you think you are being delusional? Education in China is still horrible

>>3051640
>it's wrong because it's from an imageboard, if you don't spend all your day here on this imageboard talking to me you have lost.
>but if you did take the whole trouble to argue I won't ignore your posts, I swear

Ah yes, make me laugh

>>3051645
>Seen under many circumstanes
Name one

>Education in China is still horrible
China is no longer really communist. I would call it state capitalist, because the state is still the biggest player in the economy.

>>3051650
I read most of your screencap. It sounds like some whiny faggot complaining about first world problems. Most of his problems wouldn't exist if China wasn't crapitalist.

>>3051527
>Soviet Union under Stalin.
100,000,000 citizens murdered by their own government.

>China under Mao.
78,000,000 citizens murdered by their own government.

>Democratic Korea under Kim Il Sung.
400,000 citizens murdered by their own government.

>Vietnam under Ho Chi Minh.
200,000 citizens killed by their own government.

>Cuba under Castro.
30,000 citizens murdered by their government.

>>3051767
>US & NATO

Billions murdered through poverty or sent off to die in wars for the corrupt Pentagon-Wall Street deep state and their vassal states throughout the EU.

>>3051795
You could count the Civil War dead against the USA if you'd like.

You just couldn't count them against "Capitalism".

Communism is for useless losers, and therefore only useless losers promote it.

People who have value in the free market value the free market.

>>3051767
lmfao

When Stalin took power, the population of the Soviet Union was 148 million. Source:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Soviet_Union

If Stalin killed 100 million, the population had to be only about 48 million when the Nazis invaded. They killed 27 million more, so the Soviet population must have been only 21 million in 1945.

This means the Soviet Union, a global superpower, had a smaller population than Mexico in 1950 (population of 25.7 million).

Sorry to inform you of this, but You're LITERALLY Retarded

>>3051754
>Most of his problems wouldn't exist if China wasn't crapitalist.

Kek, here comes the ebul capital

>>3051825
What do you expect from American education that worships capitalism because Wall Street and the Pentagon want it maintained at all costs so they subvert socialism to be about faggot rights, 3013913891th wave feminism and God knows what else just to not have themselves as the target as they rightfully should be.

>>3051825
Yes, I said that Stalin killed all of those people before WWII ended.

kek

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>another thread where tankies get BTFO
What's it like knowing your meme ideology will never, EVER be relevant again?

>>3051206
>Why do people who criticize Communism never actually know what it is

a fantasy?

All that's important is that attempts to apply the theories of communism have resulted in greatest humanitarian catastrophes and economic failures of the 20th century

>>3051804
>>3051804
Except the Civil War was literally caused by capitalism. Northern crapitalists wanted cheap southern cotton for their factories. Slavery was only a secondary cause of the conflict. This was the primary:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff_of_Abominations

>>3051206
I know what Marxism is. I know what Marxism-Leninism is. I know what Stalinism is. I know what Maoism is. I know what "socialism with Chinese characteristics" is. I know what Juche is. If you have to alter an ideology to the point where it's unrecognizable just so it doesn't abruptly fail, it's probably a shitty ideology.

>>3051623
My uncle who left high school at 16, trained as a mechanic and eventually started a garage.

Tell me what crimes against humanity he has committed and why his life's work should be stripped away from him.

>>3051871
At least communism actually had a state. Ancap fags never will lmfao.

>>3051899
Juche isn't communism. Not even memeing here, they literally removed any mention of it from their constitution.

>>3051905
You had that in the Eastern Bloc too, no one was autistic against mom and pops, but all you got is trumped up Cold War hatred of something you don't understand. Unless you're unironically a Wall Street fanboy.

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>>3051911
>At least communism actually had a state. Ancap fags never will lmfao.
You don't have to be an equally retarded ideologue to realize communism is garbage

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>>3051825
I don't think Stalin killed 100 million, but I can tell that you are bad at math. Stalin didn't lose the war, so 48 million wasn't supposed to be the population when the Germans invaded. What is interesting and suggestive about Stalin killing a lot of people is that Russia has today what it had when Stalin took power, even though they had a huge birth rate of 44.0 per thousand in 1926.

Then you subtract more numbers, never adding births, which makes me think you never got beyond basic sum and subtraction.

>>3051853
Soviet population was 171 million in 1946 according to the article I linked here:
>>3051825

That would put the Soviet population at 71 million after Stalin's brutal barrol bombings of his own people.

In comparison, America's population in 1950 was 151 million.

Somehow, despite over 40% of the country being destroyed in WW2, and despite having less than half of America's population, the Soviet Union became a global superpower.

There are two possibilities: eiither Slavs are superhuman ubermenschen (they're not) or you're a colossally retarded dumbass

Please don't stop posting. Every post you make further exposes the completele intellectual bankruptcy of anti-communism

>>3051346
Go to bed Mao.

>>3051943
Anti-communism mostly stems from Americans and their Sorosoid fifth columnists throughout Europe going on about MUH DEHMACRACY MAH GAY RIGHTS. They aren't very smart.

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>>3051825
>If Stalin killed 100 million, the population had to be only about 48 million when the Nazis invaded
Are you actually this retarded?

>>3051905
Private businesses that don't exploit anyone weren't just allowed, but encouraged in communist countries. During Stalin, there were thousands of such small businesses, called "artels". They made most of the Soviet Union's childrens' toys and furniture.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artel

There is not a single word in all the works of Marx, Lenin, or Stalin which prohibit non-exploitative privately owned businesses.

>>3051979
>There is not a single word in all the works of Marx, Lenin, or Stalin which prohibit non-exploitative privately owned businesses.

AHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

Soviet-born 30-something here.
I remember your communism.
Fuck off.

>>3051943
Adler, N., Victims of Soviet Terror, 1993 cites these:
Chistyakovoy, V. (Neva, no.10): 20 million killed during the 1930s.
Dyadkin, I.G. (Demograficheskaya statistika neyestestvennoy smertnosti v SSSR 1918-1956 ): 56 to 62 million "unnatural deaths" for the USSR overall, with 34 to 49 million under Stalin.
Gold, John.: 50-60 million.
Davies, Norman (Europe A History, 1998): c. 50 million killed 1924-53, excluding WW2 war losses. This would divide (more or less) into 33M pre-war and 17M after 1939.
Solzhenitsyn, Gulag Archipelago,
Intro to Perennial Classics Edition by Edward Ericson: Solzhenitsyn publicized an estimate of 60 million. Aleksandr Yakovlev estimates perhaps 35 million.
Page 178: citing Kurganov, 66 million lives lost between 1917 and 1959

Do some reading.

>>3051952
I found him to be as such, yes.

>>3051230
Capital is amoral, which means its existence is invariably destructive to human life. The interests of capital are oppose to the interests of people.

>>3051939
Russia =/= Soviet Union

Russia = Soviet Union - Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan.

Ukraine's population today is 44 million. Kazakhstan's is 18 million, Belarus' is 9 million. Those are just the three biggest former Soviet republics. Adding up all the rest will give you at least another 15-25 million

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>>3051527
>he actually believes this

>>3052019
According to who?

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>>3052025
Those numbers separate these from the Russian count, there is no such problem, can't you even read? Ukraine not included.

>>3052055
Poor retard

>>3052055
Numbers from actual data, a 5 mins baby research.

>>3052051
Which is pretty high because of Reagan and the Hollywood libertine degenerate culture that made crime 'cool'.

>>3051951
The funniest thing is they honestly think they're "woke" and "redpilled". The /pol/tards even think they're anti-Jew, even though most big corporations and anti-communist "think" tanks are Jewish-controlled.

>>3051952
Is 148 million minus 100 million not 48 million? Go back to middle school shitbrain

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> t-shirt that growth in literacy and life expectancy, plus massive gpd growth all while being boycotted by most of the world economy and genocided by Nazis/Japs is impressive but China and Russia had famines and killed people while developing, not like capitalists

What is:

The global slave trade

Genocide of Native Americans (millions still survived small pox retards, they were systemically dispossessed of their land and exterminated)

Congo Free State

Opium Wars

French torture and war to keep Algeria and Vietnam

...etc, etc...

Seems an awful lot worse and more wide spread. I mean jeez capitalists, hereditary chattel slavery... Using human hands as currency... That's pretty fucked.

>>3052077
Kek, this cunt totally missed the point. 150 Mil in 1907 to 144 Mil 100 years later, he doesn't see it.

>>3052025
Ukraine was not listed there, brother
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_annexation_of_Eastern_Galicia,_Volhynia_and_Northern_Bukovina

>>3051370
>Capitalist countries managed to achieve that more without famines and dictatorships
No, that's false. Western states (and several others) have managed to do this thanks to their dominance of the world market and control of third-world economies.

The vast majority of capitalist states, such as those in Latin America and Africa, have faltered behind their socialist neighbors in the region when it comes to education, healthcare, and other quality-of-life indicators.

Fucking North Korea exceeds Thailand and Indonesia by these metrics according to the UN, and that's about as shitty of an attempt at socialism as you could imagine.

>>3052077

USA was over 100 million when the USSR formed. According to Pew's immigration study it'd be only 270 now without mass migration.

So, sounds about right when you count 27 mil dead in WWII

>>3052089
>The global slave trade
>Genocide of Native Americans
>Congo Free State
>French torture and war to keep Algeria and Vietnam
statists violating the non-aggression principle, good reason to reduce the power of the state

who will take charge of the economy? leave it to the market

>>3052040
GDP = total value of goods and services in an economy.

Healthcare and education (the most expensive and "GDP-heavy" services in the West) were free and universal in the Eastern block, so they did not count towards total GDP.

If roads, medicaid, social security, police, and fire departments were privatized in America, GDP would go up dramatically. But unless you're some kind of ancrap, you would surely admit society would become worse if this occured. GDP is a terrible way to gauge a society. HDI (human development index) is much better.

>>3052051
There were plenty of black people in communist countries. There were thousands of communist immigrants from America as well as from sub-Saharan Africa. Because there was no unemployment (actually it was illegal to be unemployed), and because they had access to decent schools and extracirricular activities, they had no need or desire to sell drugs or shoot people.

Even in America, blacks only started selling drugs and shooting each other after crapitalists moved all the manufacturing jobs to third world countries. There were no crips and bloods in the 1950's.

>>3051767
Stalin didn't have anywhere near 100,000 people to murder.

Best accounts, which even vehement anticommunists like Robert Conquest accept, is that 10-20 million people died unnaturally under Stalin's watch, the vast majority during the famine of the early 1930s.

This is a huge, terrifying number. Don't disrespect the memory of the victims with these laughable exaggerations.

>>3052109

BTW, the Pew number still includes high pre-1970 migration numbers.

Births declined in the developed world. Germany has the same number of people as in 1940.

Growth in Western Europe and the US is from suicodal importation

>>3052057
The RSFSR stopped existing in 1922, when it was merged into the new Soviet Union.

The statistics you quoted were from 1926. The census counted everyone from all the Soviet republics, including Ukraine. In your own image, you can see that "(RSFSR)" is not included in the 1926 census.

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>>3052119
>Germany has the same number of people
No, it has 50% more than in 1940, even with less territory

>>3052106
>adds up 130 mil just in case
>says Modern Russia is not the same as the Russian Empire in 1900s even though the only big chunk of land removed was Kazakhstan with its 18 million lads on Today's count.

NEVERMIND THE SAME RUSSIAN POPULATION FOR AN ENTIRE CENTURY MATE

>>3052153
>>Those numbers separate these from

>They aren't!
>aren't!
Kek, this friend has some very low English skills.

>>3052153
>(Russian Empire)
>(Russian SFSR)

>>3052166
lmao

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/aren-t

literally go back to 3rd grade

>>3052175
(Russian RSFSR) is not included next to the 1926 census. There is nothing in parentheses next to that census, implying it was a census of the entire Soviet Union. You done fucked up buddy. Defending your silly mistake only makes you loo more stupid

>>3052179
>Those numbers separate these from...
>-NO THEY AREN'T
>-HERE IS A DICTIONARY, THIRD GRADE

AHAHAHAHAHA

>>3052189
I'm talking about the 1920 census, obviously, because Stalin took over in 1922. The number for 1922 might be even lower.

ALSO AHAHAHAHAH YOUR FUCKING IDEOLOGY WAS UTTERLY DESTROYED, MATE. I FUCKING SMASHED IT IN ONE SINGLE FUCKING THREAD.

>>3052201
1920 census of RSFSR (did not include Ukraine) was 137 million. Today's population of the CIS (also most former Soviet republics except Ukraine) is 278 million.

Keep posting. Every post you make, through its sheer idiocy, converts another anon to the True Faith of Communism.

>>3052189
Yeah so like 1 million people max in Estonia and Chechnya were not included

You get the fucking point

>>3051921
>>3051979
What distinguishes "mom and pops" or an artel from other businesses?

>Eastern Bloc
>Stalin
I was told this wasn't "true communism".

His business is somewhere between small and medium size now and depends on hiring employees, pretty sure it would have been confiscated. If you did not then businesses like these would grow and compose most of the economy, then it would hardly be communism.

>>3052019
>Capital is amoral, which means its existence is invariably destructive to human life

wut? Do you know what amoral means?

>>3052307
Artels and "mom and pop" stores are owned by the workers who work there. There's no capitalist taking a percentage cut of the profit because he "owns" the factory or building or whatever.

>I was told this wasn't "true communism".
You were told that by people who weren't true communists. Soviet Union stopped being communist after Stalin was poisoned by Jews in 1953. Kruschev destroyed the artels, nationalized them, put bureaucrats in charge of the small businesses. Post-Stalin USSR was just a bureaucratic dictatorship, all the power was in the hands of bureaucrats, not workers

>>3052308
Capital is amoral, just like the weather.

>>3052261
My friend, I'm sorry, but you can even do a capita per area comparison of the Russian Empire, before the 30 million lost in WW1, which had 167 Mil for 22.7 mil km^2, which is 7.3 density similar to today's 8.4 density, but you move on to calculate the the density of the CIS, it Jumps to a population density of 13. This is basic math, and you are claiming there is nothing wrong here, there aren't people missing on the main country of the Soviet Union

>>3052114
That doesn't explain away the absolutely wretched growth of communist states vs capitalist.

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Communism is death and nothing else.

>>3051206
Better dead than red.

>>3051465
>fastest growing economy in the world
>still reliant on foreign aid
>this is acceptable by communist standards
I always knew communists were the lowest form of absolute shit on the planet, but I never thought I'd have this constantly proven to me.

>>3051206
Have you ever been to Poland? Do you think that those people were happy under the soviets? Do you think that they want that back?

>>3051206
Fuck off you commie piece of shit. Communism has never worked and never will. Sage.

>>3051527
>muh universal healthcare and education
Who gives a fuck ? Is that all you commies ever aspire to be ?

A society whose only purpose is to make sure that it's citizens don't die isn't a good society. You commies are like kids who are addicted to their abusive father because he gives them food and shelter.

>>3051465
China is so much better off because it dumped it's failed communist ideology in the 80s, the way the USSR should have.

>>3051465

This whole post is retarded on so many levels.

>hurr look at literacy rates India is not on par with western Europe so capitalism sucks and communism owns!!11

>North Korea isn't a "shitshow"

Seriously, seek help. You're mentally ill.

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>Communism isn't really that bad guys
>There's some positive aspects that outweigh the misguided evils

This is the exact same arguments as fascists and monarchists you do realize

>>3052376
I don't understand the point you're trying to make. RSFSR in 1920 was Soviet Union minus Ukraine and Turkmenistan. CIS in 2017 is also Soviet Union minus Ukraine, Turkmenistan, and a couple other Stans.

RSFSR: 137 million.
CIS: 270 million.

Not even close

>>3051346
I knew commietards were stupid, but this level of sniveling naivety is at a whole knew level.
Congratulations.

>>3051465
Stop spacing every couple of sentences you fucking nigger. At least attempt to not post like a reddit newfag.

Communism is a failure, which is why next to no one is a communist any more and the entire ideology is basically dead and buried.

>>3052456
What part of what he said was wrong?

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I know perfectly well what Communism is, and the problem with communism itself is that it tries to end dialectics.

I mean, capitalism has insane productive power, and capitalism has a form of liberty that communists just refuse to agree even exists, namely the fact that anyone can own a means of production at any time, and nobody will stop you.

Until Marxists actually resolve the problem that their system in practice can't handle actual liberty and innovation in production like capitalism does, they don't have a leg to stand on.

>>3052492
The freedom to "own" the means of production and exploit workers for profit is like the "freedom" to rob banks, or the "freedom" to rape whoever you find attractive.

>>3052529
"Using" "quotation" "marks"

>>3052529
Not it's not. It's not even close.

>>3052492
Fun Fact: You can start communism under a capitalist system any time: just get yourself the means of production(a company, a factory, a farm), organize workers, sell produce/services, and share the products! Just one problem... It doesn't work! The workers get all lazy, management has no capital for maintenance nor basic expansion, disorder takes place and bottom line is, it fails. This being said, I think the US thrived whilst the USSR destroyed itself simply because of the superior American genetic element of the time, which didn't believe communist propaganda. Unlike fascism/nat soc, communism is extremely simplistic and flawed.

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>>3052594
>non-profit driven organization doesn't function well in a profit driven economy

WOW WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED IT

YOU CRACKED THE CASE ANON WELL DONE!

>>3051351
How so? And why should they?

>>3052594
Not a communist, but functioning cooperatives exist.

>>3052594
Have you heard of Winco's? It's a huge supermarket chain on the West coast of America which works exactly as you describe.

>>3052696
Winco has an Employee stock ownership plan, doesn't it?

>>3052723
Yep. Winco's employees are noticably happier and more relaxed than Wal Mart or even Whole Foods employees

>>3052696
As far as I know as a Winco employee you are still getting something like 10 USD/hour. I haven't seen myself a Real relevant cooperative bigger than say 3 big families in size, but I haven't looked for one more than casually.

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>>3052774
>the average WinCo Foods salary ranges from approximately $18,000 per year for Forklift Operator to $71,202 per year

The real question is, can you forklift?

>>3051206

Propaganda and retardation. The average prole is an idiot that will work against anything that will better him because he is too indoctrinated to think anything else.

I wish it weren't so but it is. People that say anything against communism only speak in memes and are usually completely and totally wrong about whatever they're saying.

>>3051767

did u no gommunism kilt more people den has ever lived on this earth???

gommunism has LITERALLY kilt a million godzillion people!!!!!!!!

>>3051206
Pol sees them as their ideological enemy.
The idea that i should hate someone who believes certain economic policies would make things better for everyone is pretty idiotic, especially when the people trying to make me rail against them literally advocate genocide

>>3051465
>China
>Communist

>>3052881
Not really, you should check out Solzhenytsin, Rummel, Molyneux for example.

>>3052393
So how did the population grow in Russia and China under communist rule, just as the life expectancy skyrocketed?

>>3052415
Source on the foreign aid?

>>3052418
Worked fine in the USSR and PRC.

>>3053026
>Solzhenytsin
In the same vein I'd also recommend Harry Potter, The Hobbit, and Twilight. If you're looking for something more exotic, Haruki Murakami is excellent. Stephen King is OK, a little overrated in my opinion, but still decent fiction.

>>3053036
>Starvation under communist governments proves communism is evil
>Starvation under capitalist governments proves capitalism is good

Huh

>>3053026
>Molyneux
LE NOT AN ARGUMENT XD XD XD

>>3051206
I used to think like you, then i realized i knew NOTHING. Communism is a fucking scam where the poor are guaranteed everything but in the end they receive nothing. The only ones who profit from communism are the 1%. Kind of ironic considering their whole schtick is "muh 1%" yet thats EXACTLY who they're fighting for lmao
t. Ex commie turned authortarian capitalists

>>3053234
>The poor are guaranteed everything
By whom? Do you really understand communism?

>>3053264
By the state. The state GUARANTEES like op said healthcare and alll the other bullshit. And they do this by taking everything from the people who've earned it. Then "redistributing" by taking most of the capital for themselves while their citizens stay clueless and behave like sheep. On top of that communism believes all are equal yet a communist multicultural society would literally fucking collapse overnight due to the instability that results from "diversity" or as i like to call it kill all the whites because they can think for themselves while third worlders won't know the difference

>>3053282
>>3053264
Also the one thing i like about communism is the ability to quickly industrialize and the very strict control on culture and the state above all. But that just has more to do with the authoritarian base of communism than anything else

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>>3051206

>its a leftypol faggot gets triggered because he failed horribly to make /his/ a safe space for his gay utopian bullshit

Communism relies on the benevolence of the nations people and government officials. Benevolence that will never exist in humanity enough to avoid corruption. Hence Soviet corruption of gov't even while being formed

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>>3052089
Ah, loosely associating various heinous acts with Capitalism (even when other socioeconomic systems would likely do the same).

My favorite meme.

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>>3053282
Your problem is not with communism, it is with communist ideology as interpreted by 20th century Marxist Leninists.

To Marx, communism was a society in which private ownership of industry was socialized and market pressures had been abolished.

Marx wrote nothing about state ownership or bureaucratic concentration of power except to warn about these potentialities.

The USSR, China, Vietnam, and Nicaragua were multilingual societies with a specific focus placed on the specific needs and desires of different communities. People from historically oppressed cultural backgrounds could and did serve in high levels of national office. If that isn't multiculturalism I don't know what is. These communists just built their multiculturalism upon proletarian unity rather than the bourgeois identitarianism you see in the West.

>>3053388
This and let's not forget that the Soviets were rightfully against mental illnesses such as homosexuality.

>>3052051
>le niggity nigger nigger XDD

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>>3051206
Their time will come

>>3052653
>I would win if everyone else just gave up, its not fair!

>>3053388

Idea about proletarian unity is pretty identitarian. People are individuals and you cant stuff billions of individual people all over the world under the identity of "proletarian" how fucking hard is this to understand?

>>3052019
>Capital is amoral, which means its existence is invariably destructive to human life
>Amoral
Why do people who use the word amoral never actually know what it is?

>>3053029
>Better than the worst forms of feudalism on Earth at the time
>Therefore it's great and better than capitalism
Set the bar higher, please.

>>3051206
I usually defer to history when it comes to things like ideologies and Communism has a pretty bad track record, its just way too easy to subvert. The moment the idealists get the ball rolling, someone ahead of the curve will just take them out or the idealists had absolutely zero self awareness and get rekt by real proletariat who then get put under thumb by that dude ahead of the curve.

There's just no way I can possibly see it work outside of a tribal level like in Rojava and thats not even bringing up whats wrong with the economic side of it all.

State communism/socialism/whatever is only remotely good for turning shitholes into half-decent countries.

But even then you're left with corrupt shitholes that do shit like harvest organs from their citizens.

>>3051346
>doubling China's population
>good

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>>3051527
>I'm going to talk shit about Jews while defending an ideology made and propagated by jews

Okay, buddy

>>3053924
>I'm going to defend Capitalism, an economic system that creates societies where the most powerful individuals are almost always Jews
>While posting Hitler reaction images and implying I'm a Neo-Nazi
Ayy Lmao

>>3051206
I'll tell you real simple why I hate it, you, and every God damn red faggot who thinks it's the hottest shit since sliced bread. My parents were what you would call low class. Mom's a jarheads daughter and dad's a farm boy. When they had me she worked at an engineering firm and he drove a semi truck.

20 years later and with 6 kids, they have built themselves up and then some. Mom now runs her on firm, the farms are jointly run by both and my dad's construction business shows no sign of stopping. They pay very generous wages, and my father is too good for his own self; the amount of pay advances, chances, and accommodations he gives out cuts what he could be making by half if not more. I have had countless people, and while I will concede some may have white lied as most have been family friends, tell how they have decribed both of my parents as the example of an American success story. A huge facility to run their business out of, 3 companies, and 6 children built by their hard labor. 20 years of hard labor; their sweat and tears.

Then you self entitled red faggots shake your head saying that's not right. It's bad enough I've got professors wailing on my for being a fucking white male, them and you can't fathom why someone who succeeds has more than a laborour.

You would point to my father and one of the lowlifes he's been far too generous to and say they are equal. That they are the same. That they should get the same.

That's why I hate commies. I'm a History minor; I've studied Communism and know what it entails. Shove it up your ass comrade; my parents me and my siblings will enjoy the capitalistic society while you wonder why you shitty ideology is hated.

>>3054058
Actually its still pretty loved in Eastern Europe. No one cares about you brainwashed Americans, I'm not even going to bother argue the fact that such a success story was very possible in the USSR. The Soviets were mostly again exploitative capitalism.

>>3054085
>Actually its still pretty loved in Eastern Europe
source: your ass

>>3054088
Try travelling and reading, too much for an American to comprehend after the military-industrial complex of Truman took over, I know.

>>3054058
God petty bourgs are cancerous, no wonder you faggots always end up as spearheads of fascists

>>3054058
>my anecdotes are concrete proof that communism is bad
Dear God you sound like an obnoxious cunt.

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>>3051206
because not even communists know what the fuck communism is

>>3053831
I can't tell if you're serious.

Non-profit driven should immediately tell you that it's not about winning, it's about providing a life for its employees.

>>3052774
>what is Publix

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>this thread
I want leftypol to leave.

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>>3054426
Neck yourself nazi cunt

>>3054097
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>>3054085
Nice counter arguments fags

>>3052019
But moralilty is a spook comrade :^).

>>3054842
There wasn't much of an argument to begin with.

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>>3054583
throw yourself out of a helicopter, retard

>>3051359
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>>3051389
>>3051426
>>3051446
>>3051506
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>>3053903
Nice one retards, but if you'd actually read the post, he was referring to a country that "affiliated itself" with Communism. Not an actual Communist country.

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>>3051313
>Compound intentionally distorted to make a symbol
Whoever did this image has no understanding of basic chemistry

>>3053888
Capital has no morals. It's amoral.

>>3051316
>t. the Ancom

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>>3054583
>baitstika going counter-clockwise

>>3055685
Engels made it very clear that under communism the state would effectively dissolve, as it's no longer necessary to maintain such a clumsy and expensive body to mediate class relations.

The authority of the state would be assumed by various kinds of councils, committees, and cooperatives.

>>3052019
Good. The sooner capital deterritorializes the person, the better.

>>3051461
thats socialism, not communism.

Judge a tree by its fruits.

>>3054085
>>3054095
The complete opposite is true, actually.
Even the local "lefty liberal" derivatives here hate communism.
t. eastern yuro

>>3055697
>Engels made it very clear that under communism the state would effectively dissolve.

How? by whom? when? let me guess when every posibility of return of capitalism is over. Also classical Marxism saw socialism and communism as, if not exactly interchangeable terms, then as one being the incomplete stage of the other, containing many of its essential elements.

>The authority of the state would be assumed by various kinds of councils, committees, and cooperatives.

That's what concil socialists and ancoms want, not the tankies and leninists.

>>3052019
Morality is a bourgeois concept, mate.

>>3052089
Dude, you forgot include ancient romans, incas and literally every civilization in human history.

>>3051206
It's a bit rich for a communist to insist anti-communists are brainwashed. I will be the first to admit that the "communism is evil" bias in history courses, be it primary or post secondary, does formulate a negative perception of the ideology but even if it was adjusted to be unbiased people would still think communism sucks. I've gone through this thread and the level of indoctrination is insanely stupid. The economic growth under communism happened because of the government had the ability to force people to work labor in industries that deemed necessary for growth. Simulating GDP increases is not hard when you can forcefully allocate a significant chunk of the workforce to an industry. Another thing, Communist nations had low GDP's comparative to western capitalist counter parts. Rather than type out countless economic analysis on the topic, I would encourage you to research the economic growth of communism against capitalism post 1945.

>>3051206
>He doesn't wash his brain
Filthy pig, you're probably European.

>>3054058
The fact that you call "your" own workers "lowlives" - the same people whose labor creates the wealth you live off of - is 100% proof that borgie parasite pigs deserve bullets to the brain

> brainwashed by some kind of major force in society
This force called history.

>>3055835
Not really, Leninists definitely believe that the people take up the responsibilities of the state. As for how, they would argue it would be a gradual transition but imo its more likely to be along the line of Mao's "bombarding of the headquarters"

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>>3052118
>Best accounts, which even vehement anticommunists like Robert Conquest accept, is that 10-20 million people died unnaturally under Stalin's watch, the vast majority during the famine of the early 1930s.

But what about the double-secret Soviet archives?

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>>3053744

America's whitest state is Maine at 96% whites. The Maine population is 1.33 million, Maine murder rate is 1.9 per 100,000 inhabitants

Britain is 87% white, population 61 million, its murder rate is 1.0 per 100,000 inhabitants

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

The Murder Capital of France would be considered a safe city if it was transplanted to the US despite being a huge disgusting slum full of Africans.

http://www.france24.com/en/20130906-shootings-reignite-debate-over-france-crime-capital-marseille

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#Crime_rates_per_100.2C000_people

>>3056422
>Leninists definitely believe that the people take up the responsibilities of the state.

More like a vanguard party leading the revolutionary process.

>Mao's "bombarding of the headquarters"

ah yes, the good old tactic of instaurate a permanent state of terror and witch hunting to dissuade possible dissidents in a "constant revolution". In the end fanaticism ruin all the good intentions look the red guards.

>>3051730
>Use maoist China as example of progress in comunism.
>see something I don't like.
>not true communism.

Every time hahahaha

>>3052019
No economic theory can be moral, they are concepts, not conscious beings. They can ,however encourage values.

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>>3051767
>USSR killed 100 million people

I know what communism is. It's the abolishment of private property. Which I hate, as I love the idea of private property and everyone should have their own private property. So I hate communism.

>>3051346
This has to be bait

>>3051206
Nah, I don't want to loose muh property and muh freedom to replace it to some totalitarian state.
>inb4 no real gommunism
Well thats real communist until you do the global revolution as Long as other states are near you you wont create the stateless, classless society you like since it will be in constant danger.

>>3051206
I would imagine for the same reason that people who support Communism never actually know what it is. People are pretty stupid.

>>3051206
hating something that failed every single time is natural

>>3058715
>dude historical revisionism lmao
>soviets good bois they dindu nuffin

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>>3051206
The common people have pretty much been thoroughly cucked and have even been taught to actively work against their own best interests.

>>3058735
>the abolishment of private property
Proving OPs point

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>>3051289
List one country that voted for a Socialist Party without being sabotaged both economically and politically by the US.

>>3058735
>abolishment of private property

Comunism is about abolishment of private property of MEANS OF PRODUCTION, personal proverty is not the same.

>>3051346
wtf I love autocratic dictatorships now
>>3051376
wtf I hate autocratic dictatorships now