What happened to Central Asian Iranians?

They were assimilated by Turkics from Siberia/Mongolia. By assimilation i mean they racemixed with Turkics and created a hapa-like race. People in Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan and Xinjiang have lots of Iranian heritage. Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan also have the heritage but they're less mixed.

Original Iranics like Tajiks are still alive though.

>>3045861

Xinjiang was Tocharian not Indo-Iranian.
Tocharians had been there since before Indo-Europeans even entered Poland.

>>3045867
Aren't Tocharians Iranic? Even the map shows that they're Iranic.

They started pretending that everything was an Iranian invention and became the niggers of asia and eventually led to modern Iran

>>3045871

Nope. They were unique. Indo-Iranians are linguistically closer to Balto-Slavs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afanasevo_culture

>>3045852
tl;dr indigenous IE Kushans, Tocharians, Scythians, [insert favorite erased indigenous IE group] what have you, all got KHAN'd

>>3045867
>had been there
Where?

>>3046182

China's western border region

>>3046178
>>3045861
>>3045852

mongoloids resulted in the rape and genocide of Indo-European peoples living throughout all of central asia and the middle east. Central Asia is now full of mixed race Elliot Rodgers thanks to them.

>>3046197
Proof?

>>3045852
Central Asia was white before mongoloids genocided them. Now you have a bunch of hapas and Elliot Rogers running around.

>>3045852
>be prehistoric Central Asian
>member of heavy-bearded, aquiline-nosed Yamna, Afanasevo, Andronovo, Tocharian, Scythian, Bactrian, Sogdian
>invent the wheel and chariot
>first to domesticate the horse
>build prehistoric cities
>meet innocent looking Eskimo-like people in the periphery of your civilization, in the tundra
>teach them your ways of the horse and lifestyle, transfer your knowledge and technology
>they adopt and adapt to your Scythian ways
>they expand from their tundra, permafrost territory
>gradually take ownershership of Scythian clay
>for the next couple eons you fail against their onslaughts
>indigigenous Scythians of Asia is now replaced by Mongolids

>>3046199
Proof of what?

>>3046213
That they lived there long before IEs were in Poland.

One of them fucked my mom, now I'm here I guess

>>3046202

>be neolithic european
>member of farming race
>invent farming
>create prehistoric cultures
>meet indo-european raiders from steppe
>they murder you and rape your wife and daughters

>>3046234
>tfw I descend from rapist raiders
Feels good.

>>3046227

It's almost contemporary but they were at least the border of China some centuries before Corded Ware culture became a thing in Poland.

see >>3045951

>>3046244
Afanasevo isn't in the Tarim basin.

>>3046253

Read the post again.

>>3046257
Cuck is that you? China was always 100% Chinese.

>>3045861
>Tajiks

those are the guys that one manga about tapestries talks about right

>>3046202
>>3046234
The northern invasions of mesopotamia like the sea peoples would be caused by turkics displacing the indo-iranians?

could the movement of slavic and germanic tribes in roman eras attributed to the same thing?

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>>3046198
>Implying thats a bad thing

>>3046275

>The northern invasions of mesopotamia like the sea peoples would be caused by turkics displacing the indo-iranians?

Absolutely not. That's about 1500 years too early. Turkic people were still fighting the Han until after 0 AD.

>>3046286
so the indo-ranians naturally invaded iran and mesopotamia on their own?

now that I think of it. it's kinda weird that one of the two epople sknown for their extreme mobility and semi nomadic nature would fail to escape the their asian counterparts.

>>3046283
Are those violet eyes? Or are they grey?

>>3046275
>mesopotamia
>sea peoples

>>3046283
But they're Tajiks and relatively unmixed unlike Turkic peoples e.g Uzbek which are essentially a mix of Iranic and Mongoloid peoples

>>3046317
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse

>>3046324
>retard thinks Levant is a part of Mesopotamia

>>3046321

Tajiks are just slightly bleached Pakistanis

>>3046234
>>3046236
WRONG

archaeological findings in the region indicate Kurgan (i.e. Yamna culture) settlements in the eastern part of the Cucuteni-Trypillian area, co-existing for some time with those of the Cucuteni-Trypillian

Cucuteni-Trypillian culture ended not violently, but as a matter of survival, converting their economy from agriculture to pastoralism, and becoming integrated into the Yamna culture

>>3045852
They got Turk'd, Mongol'd and Slav'd

>>3046383

Nah they got genocided as did the other European Neolithic cultures outside the Mediterranean and even those were heavily raped.

>>3046267
>>3046244
>>3046227

scholars have linked the Tocharians with the Afanasevo culture of eastern Asia (c. 3500 – 2500 BC),

Whites brought metallurgy to China
> scholars proove that the Afanasevo were responsible for the introduction of metallurgy to China.

https://books.google.com/books?id=x5J9rn8p2-IC&pg=PA252

sino-platonic.org/complete/spp185_silk_road.pdf

Afanasevo and/or the Andronovo culture were responsible for the introduction of metallurgical technology into China, by way of the Tarim peoples (Peng 1998,[8] Bunker 1998,[9] Mei and Shell 1998,[10]).[11]

>>3046411

Seres Kingdom of Tocharians

Sericulture from the word Seres (Seres-culture)

>IE Europeans invented silk!

Seres was a confederacy of Tocharian people, who invented silk and traded it with the Indians, the Chinese and, through the Parthians and later the Sassanid Persians, the Romans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serica
Afanasevo early Indo-Europeans, metal-use, horses and wheeled vehicles, and cultural relations with Kurgan steppe cultures, the Afanasevans were Indo-European-speaking.[7] Afanasevo were genetically indistinguishable from Yamnaya people. Afanasevo were responsible for the introduction of metallurgy to China.

>>3046410
yes mongoloids genocided the native whites

>>3046437

Indo-Europeans didn't have that much Mongoloid DNA

>>3046441
yes, and then mongoloids genocided them

thats what this thread is about

read the fuckin thread

>>3046461

Name a European country which wasn't the victim of genocide at the hands of Indo-European invaders

>>3046463
the mongoloids genocided them

thats what this thread is about

read the fuckin thread

>>3046473

Mongoloids genocided pre-Indo-Europeans?

judaism is hindu; kabala is hindu ?

>>3045031

>pseudepigraphic work which pretends to be a revelation from God communicated through R. Simeon ben Yoḥai

> the country in which the work originated it is necessary to ascertain where and when the Jews became intimately acquainted with the Hindu philosophy, which more than any other exercised an influence on the Zohar

>only to the Hindus...Aryabhatta in the first century before the common era... the Vedanta school of the Hindu philosophers ... so many admirers as in Persia in the eighth century. Under its influence the Mohammedans of Persia founded many mystic sects(Sufis). This hindu mystic movement did influence upon the Persian Jews, various sects('Isawites, the Yudghanites, etc.,) based on Vedanta philosophy. Thus the Yudghanites abstained from meat, led ascetic lives, set aside the literal meaning of the Torah for a supposed mystic interpretation, and believed in metempsychosis, etc. All these sects had their sacred writings, which they kept secret; and these writings formed the Zohar, which is a mystic commentary on the Pentateuch, as the upanishads are the mystic interpretation of the Vedas and other Brahmanic scriptures. In its peregrinations from Persia to Spain the Zohar probably received many additions and interpolations, among which may have been the various names of the Tannaim and Amoraim, as well as the allusions to historical events.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/15278-zohar

>>3046474
>>3046473
>>3046461
>>3046305
>>3046234
>>3046202
>>3046200
>>3045852
mongols genocided Aryan men in central asia and raped Aryan women which is why everyone looks like chink there now

>>3045861
Iranic R1a-Z93 is actually the major haplogroup in Kyrgyzstan, and about-Tocharian R1b mutation is the major haplogroup in Turkmenistan.

>>3046483


Indo-Europeans genocided Neolithic men in Central Europe and raped Neolithic women which is why everyone looks like an Aryan there now

>>3046485
>less than 7%
>major

>>3046498

R1a-Z93 is over 60% in Kyrgyzstan.

>>3046495
WRONG

archaeological findings in the region indicate Kurgan (i.e. Yamna culture) settlements in the eastern part of the Cucuteni-Trypillian area, co-existing for some time with those of the Cucuteni-Trypillian

Cucuteni-Trypillian culture ended not violently, but as a matter of survival, converting their economy from agriculture to pastoralism, and becoming integrated into the Yamna culture

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>>3046498
>less than 7%
Actually over 60%

>>3046501

Genetic findings suggest cucking of Neolithic Europeans with the local males ending up dead in a ditch

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2017/02/17/1616392114

>>3046500
>>3046485
>>3046502
>russian rape babies
you are aware that russians live there

>>3046505
Now look at Russia on that map and realize how dumb you are.

>>3046504
Mongoloid raids and invasions as some of the deadliest conflicts in human history.

Large areas of Asia were seriously depopulated,[6] as every city, village or town was subject to destruction. Each soldier was required to execute a certain number of persons, with the number varying according to circumstances. For example, after the conquest of Urgench, each Mongol warrior – in an army group that might have consisted of two tumens (units of 10,000) – was required to execute 100 people [7].

Mongoloid invasions induced population extermination on a scale never seen before particularly in Central Asia and eastern Europe.
Mongol conquests anhilated 70,000,000+ 1206–1324 Eurasia
Conquests of Tamerlane anhilated 20,000,000+ 1370–1405 Eurasia
Turko-Mongoloid conquests anhilated 300,000,000+ 200-1920 Eurasia

>>3046505
Are you retarded? Russian mutations of R1a are not Iranic.

Look again at this map, this is only a map of Indo-Iranian R1a mutation. >>3046502

>>3046514
>cant locate russia on the map

>>3046431
>Qin
A powerful red-haired Caucasoid from the Western frontier uses Western inventions such as the chariot to invade the East and conquers all the yellow-skinned submissive Mongoloids and rules over them. He institutes strict laws and standards throughout his empire to dominate and control his subjects and this leads to the Chinese cultural identity.

>Han
Chinese Mongoloid peasants rebel and oust their Caucasoid masters and make a peasant their supreme emperor. Thanks to all the technology and culture brought to them by their Western conquerors, the Chinese experience a golden age.

>3 Kingdoms
Constant warfare between a bunch of peasants who want to be emperor. Someone writes a bullshit novel about them 1000 years later making them superheroes.

>Sui then Tang
A northern Turkic people called the Xianbei conquer all of China. Tang is another golden age where Western culture is prevalent. For instance, the beauty standard is imported from Caucasoid Turkic northerners and fat lewd chicks are seen as the ultimate sex symbol.

>Liao then Jin
Northern steppe warriors invade and conquer half of China and enslave the Chinese population.

>Yuan
Founded by Genghis Khan (who had red hair according to historical documents) and his Mongolian descendants. They first conquer Jin, which is already foreign-occupied, and then they conquer Song and rape all the Chinese women. Chinese are relegated to the lowest social class in the multi-ethnic Yuan empire.

>Ming
Chinese peasants rebel and oust the Mongols. They once again make a peasant their supreme emperor.

>Qing
Northern steppe warriors called the Manchu invade and conquer all of China and subjugate the entire population. They force all Chinese men to shave half their head and massacre 30 million Chinese.

>Modern
Japan defeats Qing in a war and liberates the Chinese from 300 years of Manchu domination. Later, Japan weakens the KMT, and Communist peasants take over China.

>>3046539
stale pasta

>>3046528
I can only see 1-5% of this haplogroup around Novgorod, other islands of R1a in Russia are regions like Altai, Bashkiria, Tatarstan, various minorities in Caucasus, all with some Scythian blood because of Scytho-Sarmatian or later Turkish invasions.

And Slavs have very little of this mutation, so your "le russian rapebabies :------DDDDDDDDDD" meme is retarded.

>>3046550
>not knowing that during ww2 russians settled in kyrgzia, and even before.
>not knowing that russians lived there for over 200 years

>being this retarded

>>3046539
The discovery of a single tiny stone seal (known as the "Anau seal") with geometric markings from the BMAC site at Anau in Turkmenistan in 2000 led some to claim that the Bactria-Margiana complex had also developed writing, and thus may indeed be considered a literate civilization. It bears five markings strikingly similar to Chinese "small seal" characters, but such characters date from the Qin reforms of roughly 100 AD, while the Anau seal is dated by context to 2,300 BCE. It is therefore an unexplained anomaly. The only match to the Anau seal is a small jet seal of almost identical shape from Niyä (near modern Minfeng) along the southern Silk Road in Xinjiang, assumed to be from the Western Han dynasty.[11]


But in independent studies of the inscription, two experts in ancient Chinese — Dr. Qui Xigui of Beijing University and Dr. Victor H. Mair of Penn — concluded that the characters were much like a more advanced script practiced in the Western Han dynasty of 206 B.C. to A.D. 9.


Influences from Central Asia or farther west might have contributed to the invention of Chinese writing. Dr. Mair, who holds that such influences were greater than previously thought, has raised this controversial point. "The Anau seal forces us to rethink in a most radical fashion the origins of the Chinese script," he said.

>>3046572

BMAC wasn't even IE

>>3046570
>not knowing that this map relates to native population, not to immigrants like russians

>being this retarded

>>3046577
BMAC was definitely IE

>>3046588

Nope. They were a sedentary culture of local origin which was conquered by the nomadic Andronovo.

>>3046583
>not knowing that native population got slav'd

>being the mongoloid

>>3046596
That subclade is not Slavic.

>>3046596

If they got Slav'd they wouldn't have R1a-Z93 since Slavs don't have that, except a handful of Cossacks who have been breeding with Turkic friends.

>>3046599
Already told him so, he is just being retarded.

Why the fuck are even dumbasses like him lurking anything else than /b/?

>>3046593
fucktard

Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex aka Oxus civilisation
Bactria is IE
Oxus civilisation is IE

The Bactria-Margiana complex has attracted attention as a candidate for those looking for the material counterparts to the Indo-Iranians (Aryans), a major linguistic branch that split off from the Proto-Indo-Europeans.

Anau seal is dated by context to 2300 BC

gas yourself

>>3046626

Bactria is just the location which was named long after.
2300 BC was long before the Andronovo invaded.

>>3046602
>>3046599
>>3046550

R1a-Z93 haplogroup, the paragroup R1a-Z93* (Figure 3b) is most common (>30%) in the Siberian region of Russia, but it also occurs in Kyrgyzstan (6%) and in all Iranian populations (1–8%)

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v23/n1/full/ejhg201450a.html

get out this thread retard

>>3046658
>Siberian population of Russia
>Siberian
AKA native Asian and not Slavic you stupid faggot.

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>>3046658

From your nature link.

See how Kyrgyzstan is dark blue for Z93?
That's because the _paragroup_ refers to the ancestral and older type of Z93, paragroup Z93* which is indeed just 1/10 of all Z93 in Kyrgyzstan.

>>3046431
WE

You can't prove anything by posting haplogroups
If R1a z93 is indeed Russian, then Kyrgyz people would have been less than 50% mongoloid, but they're more than 70% mongoloid.

>>3046637
two important volumes not only has identified the BMAC as Indo-Iranian but isolated, within the archaeological record, what he believes to be distinctive Proto-Zoroastrian cultural characteristics." …….The Indo-Aryan Controversy: Evidence and Inference in Indian History….ed. Edwin Bryant, Laurie Patton (2005) (Page 158)

"Scholars conclude that the BMAC are Indo- Aryan and the Andronovo are Iranian. Both are proto-Zoroastrian sharing common cultic rituals

>>3046726

No serious academic has ever proposed that BMAC is Indo-Iranian.

>>3046705
WE WUZ MONGOLOID N SHIT

fuck off Central Asians and Hindus are all Scytho-Iranian-White-Russians

>>3046736
Thank you for outing yourself as a retard. You can leave the thread now.

>>3046705
>mongoloids genocide white people

fuck off nazi

>>3046753

BMAC= indigenous culture with zero similarities to any Indo-European culture anywhere that was conquered by Andronovo.

That's the serious academic view, supported by Mallory and others.

>>3046500
this

Kyrgyz are whites!!!

>>3046705
back to /pol/ stormfag

Why does every Central Asian thread devolve to stormniggertry?

Same old copypasta that can be debunked easily.
https://yuki.la/his/1333449#p1338418

>>3045852
There were never iranian subhumans in Central Asia

Only alpha Turkics and Mongols

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>>3046872
Fuck off mehmet

>>3046765

https://archive.org/stream/LaCivilizationDeLoxusEtIndo-IranianEtIndo-AryenesEnAsieCentrale/LaCivilizationDeLoxusEtIndo-IranianEtIndo-AryenesEnAsieCentrale_djvu.txt

>>3045852
they moved?

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>Haplogroup autism

>>3045861
>By assimilation i mean they racemixed with Turkics and created a hapa-like race.
The earliest inhabitants of Siberia were a mix of East Eurasians with heavy ANE affinities similar to modern Amerindians or Beringians and Androvono/Afanasievo Indo-Europeans.

Historical Turco-Mongol invasions brought East Asian affinities to what they are today,but judging by the genomes of the Paryzyk Sycthians the invaders and the natives were already a mix of Eastern/Western Eurasians i.e. language shifters.
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?9922-Comparison-of-700s-AD-Kimek-Khanate(-)-genome-w-Ancient-Steppics-and-modern-Turkics

>>3045852
Dont believe iranian horseshit

They never settled central Asia, too effete and feminine to do soo

>>3046936
>Samara culture (Russia 5500BC) (Caucasoid)
Yamna culture (Ukraine, Russia 3700BC) (Caucasoid)
Afanasevo culture (Siberia, Mongolia, China 3700BC) (Caucasoid)


Bolshemys culture (Altai) (4000 BCE) (Mongoloid)

Poltavka culture (Volga 2700BC) (Caucasoid)
Abashevo culture (Urals, Volga 2500BC) (Caucasoid)

Okunev culture (Siberia) (2500 BCE) (Mongoloid)
Glazkov culture (Baikal 18th BCE) (Mongoloid)
Zhukaigou culture (Mongolia, China 2000 BC) (Mongoloid)
Karakol culture (Altai 2nd millennium BC) (Mongoloid)

Andronovo culture (Ural, Siberia, Mongolia, China 2100BC) (Caucasoid)

Elunin/Krotov/Tashkov culture (Siberia 2000 BCE) (new Caucasoid (Andronovo) migrants leading older Mongol-Caucasoid (Afanasevo) hybrids)

Suyarganovo culture (Aral 2000BC) (Caucasoid)


Ordos culture (Mongolia, China 600 BC) (Caucasoid)

OH LOOK ANOTHER THREAD WHILE IRANIAN SCUM LARP AS OWNERS OF EVERYWHERE

LMAO

GET CANCER AND DIE RACE OF TRAPS

>>3046955

Afanasevo (white) culture dramatically influence Elunin/Krotov/Tashkov culture as well as Persia, India, Caucasus, and most of Eurasia

>Elunin/Krotov/Tashkov culture Elunin/Krotov/Tashkov culture (Siberia 2000 BCE) (new Caucasoid (Andronovo) migrants leading older Mongol-Caucasoid (Afanasevo) hybrids)

Elunin culture was formed by interaction of Caucasoid (Andronovo) migrants, who brought with them tradition of bronze metallurgy and advanced animal husbandry. Interaction between migrant Caucasoid ethnic groups and indigenous Mongoloid-Caucasoid mixed populations in the frontier, periphery foothills and plains area of the Altai's Upper Ob at the end of the 3rd millennium BCE

The frontier Tashkov culture people were in regular cultural contact with the Andronovo population of the Southern Urals, and they also learned metalworking from Andronovo

Krotov culture is an indigenous 2nd millennium BCE Bronze Age culture of animal breeders in the steppe and forest-steppe area of the Western Siberia Altai

The tribes of the Elunin/Krotov/Tashkov circle cultures were located in the Altai,forest-steppes and foothills; the Caucasoids were metallurgists and pastoral animal breeders. They developed entirely new designs of socketed weapons, and art images that included horses, oxen, sheep, camels, and more. The other Mongoloid component was located in the area of the Sayan highlands, where lived populations of the southern zone of East Siberian taiga hunters and fishermen. They belonged to the Glazkov, Shiver, and other cultures around the Baikal and Angara River basin, who mastered bronze casting and the manufacture of flint, jade and bone implements, and produced twin blade knives, scraper knives, and saws; their imagery had snakes, elk, bear, and more. The organic fusion of the Altai (Caucasoid) and Sayan (Mongoloid) components into a single culture is thought to have occurred in the steppe foothills between the Ob and Irtysh rivers.

>>3046985

They found that the Yamnaya of the Samara Valley in the northern steppe of Russia were genetically indistinguishable from the Afanasievo of the Altai in the Yenesey region of southern Siberia, which confirms archaeologists’ suggestions that there was a vast migration of steppe pastoralists to the east. But unlike in Europe where the Yamnaya interbred with local farmers, the Yamnaya moving east completely replaced the local hunter-gatherers—perhaps because this region was only sparsely populated, Willerslev says.

This eastern branch of the Yamnaya (or Afanasievo) persisted in central Asia and, perhaps, Mongolia and China until they themselves were merged with Andronovo, another subgroup of Yamnaya. These people from the Caucuses area, who were genetically related to central Europeans, persisted in central Asia until 2000 years ago, which means that people in central Asia were actually Europeans rather than living Asians. It wasn’t until relatively recently—just 2000 years ago—that these Caucasians were replaced by immigrants from eastern Asia, such as the Karasuk, Mezhovskaya, and other Iron Age cultures that today make up the ancestry of people in central Asia.

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>>3046955
A Mongoloid/Caucasoid classification is far too simplistic,the historical Scythians were a mix of steppe(Indo-European) and ENA(Eastern non-African) or more specifically,East Asian lineages.

>Scythian_Pazyryk 1: ~65% East Eurasian
>Scythian_Pazyryk 2: ~55% East Eurasian
>Scythian_AldyBel 1: ~30% East Eurasian
>Scythian_AldyBel 2: ~50% East Eurasian
>Scythian_ZevakinoChilikta 1: ~25% East Eurasian
>Scythian_ZevakinoChilikta 2: ~50% East Eurasian
>Scythian_Samara: ~12% East Eurasian
Turkic speakers weren't pure East Eurasians to begin with already had steppe ancestry,conversely the Scythians had East Eurasian affinities prior to the Turkic expansion.
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?9874-Ancestry-and-demography-and-descendants-of-Iron-Age-nomads-of-the-Eurasian-Steppe/page7

>>3046685
>>3046658
>>3046626
>>3046572
>>3046550
>>3046955
>>3046977
>>3046985


I really wish to participate on this conversation but I can't understand half of it.

Also stop using white as a term it's a non existant gringo buzzword

>>3046990
>>3047006
the recent expansion was participated by various mongoloid groups:
Xiongnu 匈奴, Xianbei 拓跋部, Donghu 东胡, Dingling 丁零, Shiwei 室韦, Tántán 檀檀 (Rouran Khaganate), Tuòbá 拓拔, Yueban 悅般, Nirun, Tūjué 突厥 (Gokturk), Chigan 叱干, Xue 薛姓, Xueyantuo 薛延陀, Tiele 鐵勒, Huns 匈人, Khazar 可萨人, Avars 阿瓦尔人, Bulgars 保加尔人, Xi tūjué (Onoq - Western Turkic Khaganate), Dōng tūjué (Eastern Turkic Khaganate), Gu-su (Oghuz) 烏古斯人, Ogurs, Utigurs, Huíhé (Uygur) 回纥, Onogurs, Kutrigurs, Kangar 康國聯盟, Kimak 基馬克汗國, Kuman 庫曼汗國, Kereit, Gelolu (Karluk) 葛逻禄, Kara-Khan 黑汗, Tūqíshī 突騎施, Yugur 甘州回鶻, Pachanaq 佩切涅格人, Qīnchá (Kipchak) 欽察, Nogais 諾蓋人, Karachays 卡拉恰伊人, Seljuk 塞尔柱帝国, Kirghiz 柯尔克孜族, Chigil 處月, Qangli 康里, Shalgan, Chulyms 楚利姆鞑靼人, Kumyks 庫梅克人, Dada (Tatars) 韃靼,
Güchügüd (Naiman) 乃蛮, Ongud 汪古部, Dolugad 杜格拉特, Bashkirs 巴什基爾人, Chuvash 楚瓦什人, Gagauz, Uzborgs, Kazakhs 哈薩克族, Khakas 哈卡斯人, Qashqai 卡什加人, Tuwans 图瓦人, Báxīmì 拔悉密, Shatuo 沙陀, Oirat 四衛拉特, Buryats 布里亚特人, Arghun 阿魯渾王朝, Kara Del 哈密國,
Khitan 契丹人, Khamag 蒙兀国, Mongol 蒙古帝国, Dzungar 准噶尔汗国, Chagatai 察合台汗國, Khilji 卡爾吉王朝, Telengut, Teleuts 铁列乌特人, Kalmyk 卡爾梅克汗國, Khoshut 和硕特汗国, Tonggu (Tungus) 通古, Dolgans 多尔干人, Sālāzú 撒拉族, Shors 索尔人

>>3047010
>>3047006
>>3046990
The original Turks were a Mongoloid people closely related to the Yakuts, Manchus, Mongols, Tungus, Tartars...

Central Asia: The ancient people of Central Asia were pure Indo-European until they got wiped out (either by bloodshed or interbreeding) by the TurkoMongols. Today the entire Central Asia is made up of a mixed race people who identify themselves by the name of their conquerers: Turk.

>>3047008
>>3047020
Central Asian history is just one long story of whites getting "liberated" from existence by Mongoloids

>>3047006
as much as you want to believe that the mighty fingolian empire always existed and dominated the planet, reality does not agree

scythians from 15 century BC were white caucasoid, like swedes from a century ago were

scythians from 5 century AD were genocided/raped by huns/avars/Xiongnu and pretty much any bow-legged beast to become the chinky stinky fucks that the likes of you fingols take great pride in

from the fingolic perspective it is understandable that you celebrate the barbarity of your mongoloid ancestors, just like germans celebrate hiter, or turks deny armenian genocide and celebrate their slaughter

>>3046936
The majority of ANE(83%) is clearly descended from the West Eurasian node of non Africans.

>>3047020
t. stormnigger

>Central Asia: The ancient people of Central Asia were pure Indo-European until they got wiped out (either by bloodshed or interbreeding)
see >>3047006
The Kimek Turkics had steppe(Indo-European) ancestry.
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?9922-Comparison-of-700s-AD-Kimek-Khanate(-)-genome-w-Ancient-Steppics-and-modern-Turkics

>Today the entire Central Asia is made up of a mixed race people who identify themselves by the name of their conquerers: Turk.
Nope. Turkic Elliot Rodgers conquered a Indo-European Elliot Rodgers.

>>3047035

What do Finns have to do with this?
Uralic people have been in Europe before 1500 BC.

>>3047035
>>3047006
white people used to exist in Central Asia but got raped out of existence by the mongoloids coming from East Asia thats why you see so many Eurasian looking humans in Central Asia.


the east scythians were white but became elliot rodgers through time until they were just chinks

same thing then repeated to west and central asia

>>3047041
>The majority of ANE(83%) is clearly descended from the West Eurasian node of non Africans.
That's my point. The "Mongoloids" of Karasuk/Okunuevo already had high ANE affinities similar to modern day Amerindians.

>>3047048
>>3047044
Scythians weren't elliot rodgers you revisionist roach. They fought Turks how to shoot and how to take care of a horse. Before them you were basically albino negroes.

>>3047050
they were a fringe frontier group that got Scythian'd

well that's why you look at subclades, the more a lineage spreads and mutates the less it is linked to a specific ethnicity
African R1b is a totally different branch from European R1b

you had almost fully WHG Latvians in the mesolithic carrying R1b so by that point one could say it was already pretty much west Eurasian

>>3047053

There were both mixed and unmixed groups of Scythians.
Still doesn't explain your "Fingolian" thing since the Uralic presence in Europe is older and completely unrelated to Turkics.

>>3047050
>>3047044
>>3047064
>>3047006
again you are jumping to conclusions without comprehending the history

repeat the eastern scythians led groups of inferior mongoloids, in the beginning the scythians were the dominant majority, they were later fucked up royally by mongoloids

so yes later on they become primarily mongoloid

if scythians retained dominance it would be the other way and mongoloids would become bleached

instead entire asia become khan'd

what dont you understand?

read the entire thread over very carefully til it makes sense

>>3047072
Literally mostly western-eastern hunter gatherer in admixture, as in, white.

All iran sand niggers thinking aryans were anything like them nowadays are morons.

Scythians are constantly described as white, white as in platinum blonde hair, pale-rose skin and blue eyes.

Haplogroups in the region during the bronze and iron age show that they were white.

>>3047082
Ancient DNA provides new insights into the history of south Siberian Kurgan people.

Our results also confirm that at the Bronze and Iron Ages, south Siberia was a region of overwhelmingly predominant European settlement, suggesting an eastward migration of Kurgan people across the Russo-Kazakh steppe. Finally, our data indicate that at the Bronze and Iron Age timeframe, south Siberians were blue (or green)-eyed, fair-skinned and light-haired people and that they might have played a role in the early development of the Tarim Basin civilization.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19449030

>>3047072

>if scythians retained dominance it would be the other way and mongoloids would become bleached

Doubt it. Indians only lost to Indo-Aryans because they were and are some of the worst warriors to ever exist while Mongoloids tend to have higher intelligence which makes them more capable opponents.
Besides, you can barely tell Indians are supposed to be bleached.

>>3047053
>Scythians weren't elliot rodgers you revisionist roach.
Read the damn post. >What surprises me is that even the Sarmatian sample from Pokrovka (one of the westernmost region of the Eurasian steppe corridor) has ~10% East Eurasian admixture

West/East Eurasians don't exist in a vacuum.
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?9874-Ancestry-and-demography-and-descendants-of-Iron-Age-nomads-of-the-Eurasian-Steppe/page7

>they were a fringe frontier group that got Scythian'd
Nope,Karasuk and Okunuevo were autosomally similar to Beringians and Amerindians. A modern example would be Yenesians.

The ANE in Okunuevo/Karasuk doesn't come from the Indo European expansion.

>>3047089
>>3047088
>In artworks, the Scythians are portrayed exhibiting Europoid traits.[73] In Histories, the 5th-century Greek historian Herodotus describes the Budini of Scythia as red-haired and grey-eyed.[73] The 2nd century BC Han Chinese envoy Zhang Qian described the Sai (Scythians) as having yellow (probably meaning hazel or green), and blue eyes.[73] In Natural History, the 1st century AD Roman author Pliny the Elder characterizes the Seres, sometimes identified as Iranians (Scythians) or Tocharians, as red-haired and blue-eyed.[73][76] In the late 2nd century AD, the Christian theologian Clement of Alexandria says that the Scythians are fair-haired.[73][77] The 2nd century Greek philosopher Polemon includes the Scythians among the northern peoples characterized by red hair and blue-grey eyes.[73] In the late 2nd or early 3rd century AD, the Greek physician Galen declares that Sarmatians, Scythians and other northern peoples have reddish hair.[73][78] The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that the Alans, a people closely related to the Scythians, were tall, blond and light-eyed.[79] The 4th century bishop of Nyssa Gregory of Nyssa wrote that the Scythians were fair skinned and blond haired.[80] The 5th-century physician Adamantius, who often follow Polemon, describes the Scythians are fair-haired.[73][81] It is possible that the later physical descriptions by Adamantius and Gregory of Scythians refer to East Germanic tribes, as the latter were frequently referred to as "Scythians" in Roman sources at that time.

That's the Scythians, who were probably the largest of the Indo-Europeans. They had many branches, including Bactarians, TUshara, Saka, Kambojas etc.

The physical characteristics of the Buddha:
>29. Eyes deep blue


the perfect Brahmins according to Hinduism will have blonde hair

>>3047099
Turkey is the ultimate cuck nation. Here's why:

The people are mostly Anatolian, and originally had native Anatolian culture(which nobody knows really anything about).

Then they were cucked so much by invading Indo-European Hittites that they forgot their old culture.

Then came Assyrians and Persians, briefly cucking this nation once again.

Afterwards they were cucked by Greek invaders and again forgot their previous cultures. The Greek cuckoldry literally lasted for so fucking long that many people believe to this day that Anatolia is rightful Greek clay (muh Constantinople).

But then, something extraordinary happened. The ultimate final bosses of cuckoldry came to cuck this land once again: The Turks.

They themselves were originally steppe nomads who honourably worshipped Tengri. As they raped their way down south from their ancestral homelands in Siberia, they became a rapefest-mixed race of Persian-Arab-Levantine-turco-Mongol Muslims.

In the case of Anatolia they cucked this land so much that to this very day the native Anatolian people fail to recognize their true origin, adopted the barbaric steppe-language and truly believe that they are rightful sons of Turan, and somehow at the same time worship a sandnigger religion and look nothing like true turkic peoples.

But it did not stop here.
The fake "Turks" of Anatolia were one with their cuckoldry so much that they forcibly exported it to other parts of the world, most notably the Balkans, and West Europe today, like cancer, genociding the brave, based peoples who stood against them (Armenians,Assyrians, Greeks).

They created nothing, so they just blanda upped and stole from other civilizations. Their country is the proof of the horrors of multiculturalism.

Next time you see a Turk, tell him to look into a mirror and ask himself one question:

"Do I look like a Mongol"?

Tl;DR: "Turkish people" are neither Turkic, nor are they people, and their historical cuckoldry would make Sweden proud.

>>3047089
Mongols =/= All Steppe Nomads. The mongols literally came from the arse end of the Steppe Nomad world, to the point where some mongols stopped being Steppe Nomad and lived hippie forest lives: in Siberia.

>>3047099
>anthrogenica
into the trash

>>3047082
Central Asia is the original homeland of white peoples, and yet they got genocided from there. A harbinger for the future of Europe.

>>3047107
Yakuts are the orginal Turks
The ancestors of Yakuts were Siberian Kurykans who migrated north from Siberian Yenisey river to Baikal Lake, in Siberia
The Kurykans were a Siberian mongolid tribe that inhabited Lake Baikal.
Yakuts/Kurykans were hunters, fishermen and reindeer herder

>>3047117

>original homeland

Not in any way.

>>3047128
I am a Manchu of Tokarian descent living in the US. I have green eyes like my father and my grandfather had hazel eyes and brown reddish hair. Tokarians along with Proto-Turks migrated to Manchuria and mixed with Tungusic tribes to create the Jurchen/Manchu people. My ancestral clan is Proto-Turkic of Tabgach line and I am in no way Chinese. We Central Asian steppe peoples have always been different from the Chinese. I know clearly we are not Asiatic Han Chinese and Caucasoid Indo-European blood that flows through my veins is a testament to that.

>>3047117
The Scythians also feature in some national origin-legends of the Celts. In the second paragraph of the 1320 Declaration of Arbroath, the élite of Scotland claim Scythia as a former homeland of the Scots. According to the 11th-century Lebor Gabála Érenn (The Book of the Taking of Ireland), the 14th-century Auraicept na n-Éces and other Irish folklore, the Irish originated in Scythia and were descendants of Fénius Farsaid, a Scythian prince who created the Ogham alphabet and who was one of the principal architects of the Gaelic language.


The Carolingian kings of the Franks traced Merovingian ancestry to the Germanic tribe of the Sicambri. Gregory of Tours documents in his History of the Franks that when Clovis was baptised, he was referred to as a Sicamber with the words "Mitis depone colla, Sicamber, adora quod incendisti, incendi quod adorasti." The Chronicle of Fredegar in turn reveals that the Franks believed the Sicambri to be a tribe of Scythian or Cimmerian descent, who had changed their name to Franks in honour of their chieftain Franco in 11 BC.


Scythian founders of certain Germanic as well as Celtic tribes, British historiography in the British Empire period such as Sharon Turner in his History of the Anglo-Saxons, made them the ancestors of the Anglo-Saxons.


Declaration of Albroath (1320) declared that the Scots were Scythians
7th century Anglo-Saxon historian the venerable Bede states that the Picts were Scythians


teams of geneticists led by Professor Bryan Sykes took DNA samples in the Celtic regions of Britain they discovered ancestries in the Caucasus, which lay within ancient Scythia

>>3047136

I've never heard anything about Manchu peopled being mixed before

>>3046431

The Shahnameh of Ferdowsi placed Serica (Kingdom of Silk) to the east of Airan and also to the east of Sugd east of the Syr-Darya (Jaxartes) River and part of Balkh (Bactria).
The oldest known example of silk outside Serica comes from the hair of a 21st Dynasty (around 1000 BC) Caucasoid female
mummy from Dar el Medina.
Silk has also been found in the Scythian nomad tombs at Pazyryk in the Altai, dating from the fifth to the third centuries BC (figure 4), and even in Celtic tombs of the La Tène culture, 21 in sites as far apart as Scotland and Germany, where silk threads were used in embroidering the clothes of the aristocracy. It is also likely that raw silk, reaching Greece by way
of the Black Sea and its Scythians, was woven into textiles at Cos.

Parthian Persians have used silk for their battle banners.

>>3047089
this is a result of misrepresentation of nationality and ethnicity based on dialectal pronunciation of an ancient title

Khan and Hun are synonymous

the Mongoloid steppe people all were ruled by Huns/Khans. Various Turks, Mongols, Tungus, Uralics were ruled under the same Khan/Hun. The Chinese called them Hunnu, Xiongnu, Hunya, Chanyu. The Mongoloid steppe people all share a similar origin in adopting the Scythian lifestyle

same as Tatar being called Mongols and Turks
tl;dr all groups of Mongoloid steppe people are Mongol/Turk/Hun

>>3047089
>The ruler of the Xiongnu was called the Chanyu later refined by Rouran as "Khan"
>The Yenisei Kirghiz Khagans claimed descent from Xiongnu (Chinese Li Ling + daughter of the Xiongnu Khan)
>Xiongnu are Mongoloids
>Xiongnu used Chanyu/Khanyu title synonymous with Khan
>it is suggested that Indo-European Wusun used the royal title "Kunmi"
>Beckwith specifically suggests an Indo-Aryan etymology of the title Kunmi
>IE word Kunmi possibly the root for Khan
>Hun = Khan = Hunnu = Xiongnu = Hunya = Chanyu = Kunmi (similar shit)

>Huns were in fact descendants of the Northern Xiongnu who migrated westward

>the title “Khan“ was original to the Rourans
>The region experienced a Mongolification and was eventually occupied predominantly by peoples showing Mongoloid features, known from their skeletal remains and artifacts

tl;dr Scythians transferred their technology/skills/culture to Mongoloids and then got erased by them

>>3047159
>>3047006
>>3046936
Xiongnu inhabited the Asian Steppe from the 3rd century BC to the late 1st century AD

Scythians, also known as Scyth, Saka, Sakae, Sacae, Sai, Iskuzai, or Askuzai, were a large group of Iranian[1][2][3][4] Eurasian nomads who were mentioned by the literate peoples surrounding them as inhabiting large areas in the central Eurasian steppes from about the 9th century BC until about the 4th century AD (Sarmatians)
Alans survive to this day
the Xiongnu name could be a cognate of Scythian, Saka and Sogdia, corresponding to a name for Northern Iranians.[24][71] According to Beckwith the Xiongnu contained a leading Iranian component when they started out, but more likely they had earlier been subjects of an Iranian people and learned from them the Iranian nomadic model.[24]

In the UNESCO-published History of Civilizations of Central Asia, its editor János Harmatta concludes that the royal tribes and kings of the Xiongnu bore Iranian names, that all Xiongnu words noted by the Chinese can be explained from a Scythian language, and that it is therefore clear that the majority of Hsiung-nu tribes spoke an Eastern Iranian language


Xiongnu art is harder to distinguish from Saka or Scythian art

A majority (89%) of the Xiongnu mtDNA sequences can be classified as belonging to Asian haplogroups, and nearly 11% belong to European haplogroups.[citation needed] This finding indicates that contact between European and Asian populations preceded the start of Xiongnu culture, and confirms results reported for two samples from an early 3rd century BC Scytho-Siberian population (Clisson et al. 2002)

Xiongnu contained a leading Iranian component when they started out, but more likely they had earlier been subjects of an Iranian people and learned from them the Iranian nomadic model.

>>3047163
tl;dr all this would not have happened with out the transmission of foreign technology (wheel, chariot, steel, horses)

if the inventors should have just kept their toys to themselves maybe they would still be around

>>3047163
> chinese mentioning of some gok turk khagans, having green eyes and light brown hair also. which might point to an admixture with wusun. (also the same was said about genghis, there are people with such features in central asi

there are even ancient tales and prophecies of great red-hair leaders to be born to uplift the glory of the Mongoloid steppe nomads

indeed, the original leaders of various horseriding steppe nomad Mongoloid factions were IE and did mix with their subjects

as the Mongoloid factions quickly adopted the IE horse steppe-styles, their dependence on IE rule declined until the ultimate replacement of the IE peoples

though the ancient legacy of the original IE sometimes makes its rare appearance in the light-eyed, haired solitary specimens roaming the east Eurasian steppe

>>3047146
Central Asia and western china were populated by white nomads who would be indistinguishable from scandanvians. In fact the homeland of most Europeans is Central Asia because that is where europoids came from.

Pic related hair is actually more blonde probably platinum before natural oxidization. That's how white these people were and south-eastern china/vietnam was also home to some indo-European speakers at one point that were totally annihilated by sino people from Manchuria that wiped nearly every trace of them. Fascinating stuff.

>>3047107
I'm not a filthy T*rk,Anatolian Turkics are steppe LARPers.

Going by the surviving genomes,the historical Kimek Khanate already resembled their modern counterparts.

>>3047127
>Yakuts are the orginal Turks
Yakuts are Turkicized Tungusics.
https://bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2148-10-25

The original Turks were probably most similar to Buryats,Alatains and Western Mongolians with minor West Eurasian affinity.

Turkic speakers assimilated Eastern Scythians who had significant Eastern Eurasian admixture.

>>3047112
>into the trash
https://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v522/n7555/full/nature14507.html
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14615
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1005068

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They got KHANED

>>3046410
How do the Basques play into this?

>>3047387

There was R1b in Latvia. E1b was never that common in the Balkans. Only massive levels of inbreeding elevated in Kosovarians.

>>3045852
The original white genocide

>>3047389

They got raped apparently. Circumstances still aren't clear but in time they will be sorted out.

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>>3045852
Tell me about steppe Indo-Europeans, whats their culture look like? Interested in Scythians and Sarmatians in particular

>>3047301
WRONG

Xiongnu inhabited the Asian Steppe from the 3rd century BC to the late 1st century AD

the Xiongnu is a cognate of Scythian, Saka and Sogdia, corresponding to a name for Northern Iranians.[24][71] According to Beckwith the Xiongnu contained a leading Iranian component when they started out, but more likely they had earlier been subjects of an Iranian people and learned from them the Iranian nomadic model.[24]

In the UNESCO-published History of Civilizations of Central Asia, its editor János Harmatta concludes that the royal tribes and kings of the Xiongnu bore Iranian names, that all Xiongnu words noted by the Chinese can be explained from a Scythian language, and that it is therefore clear that the majority of Hsiung-nu tribes spoke an Eastern Iranian language


Xiongnu art is harder to distinguish from Saka or Scythian art

A majority (89%) of the Xiongnu mtDNA sequences can be classified as belonging to Asian haplogroups, and nearly 11% belong to European haplogroups.[citation needed] This finding indicates that contact between European and Asian populations preceded the start of Xiongnu culture, and confirms results reported for two samples from an early 3rd century BC Scytho-Siberian population (Clisson et al. 2002)

>Xiongnu contained a leading Iranian component when they started out, but more likely they had earlier been subjects of an Iranian people and learned from them the Iranian nomadic model.

tl;dr Scythians transferred their technology/skills/culture to Mongoloids and then got erased by them

>>3047423
>>3047387
>>3047187
>>3047179
>>3047170
>>3047163
>>3047159


this

Central Asia is the original homeland of white peoples, and yet they got genocided from there. A harbinger for the future of Europe.

The Aryan steppe nomads definitely possessed what we would conventionally understand to be "Germanic Nordic features". The tall, fair skin and fair eyed phenotype is identified in the literature of the regions they invaded, such as Persia and north India.
>>3048875
There can be no doubt that this phenotype was the domineering phenotype amongst the Aryan tribes.

>>3047943
In qinghai western china there is a lake called the ghost lake. It was said to be the home of the ghost people. The ghost people were said to be the original inhabitants of china from the time before time began. They were said to be imbued with magical powers, such as being able to speak to beasts, able to walk on water and create life from not. The ghost people were to the rulers of the ancestors of the locals. They are described as being very tall, fair and pale skinned, either red or gold headed and blue or green eyed. The locals rebelled against their masters and waged war on the ghost people and killed many of them. But their spirits could not be quelled and are said to bring misfortune to those that descend from their transgressors. It is also said that on a moonlit night you can see the souls of the ghost people dancing on the lake.

>>3048874
I'm not interested in cherrypicked wikipedia quotes when the same exact wikipedia page professes a Turkic/Mongolic/Yenesian origin for the Xiongnu confederation.

Xiongnu autosomal DNA doesn't exist,in all likelihood they are a mix of East/West Eurasian lineages similar to the autosomal makeup of Eastern Sycthians(which you vehemently deny).

>>3048874
WRONG (partially)

Xiongnu replaced the Yeuzhi confederates that occupied the central asian. Yeuzhi(indo-iranian) were ruthless and took slaves and shit. Some of the slaves happened to be the tribes like Wusun. Actually infact, the Yeuzhi and Wusun were from related branch. When the Xiongnu came pushing in, the former slaves banded together with the Xiongnu and they pushed the Yeuzhi out of central asia and westward (and southwest). Yeuzhi split(greater/lesser) and moved into Sogdia/Scythian areas and pushed them elsewhere. The Greater Yeuzhi later started the Kushan empire. The Lesser Yeuzhi stayed around central asian and got absorbed by Xiongnu. The founder of Xiongnu himself was a slave of Yeuzhi. The Chinese call the Xiongnu(the Hunnu), the fierce slaves. Sogdians/Scythians joined in on the Xiongnu and formed the confederacy there.

Also, Yeuzhi are the Tochars

>>3048900
since you are a mongoloid, it is expected for you to not comprehend simple facts.

so lets repeat again the facts posted ITT

>a few white scythians in the eastern frontier used forest-dwelling mongoloids as grunts (>>3046985 >>3046955 >>3047112)

>the white scythians in the eastern frontier were the elite (>>3047159)

>white scythians in the eastern frontier ruled over a Turkic/Mongolic/Yenesian origin for the Xiongnu confederation. (>>3047163)

>white scythians in the eastern frontier taught the mongoloid grunts and made them adopt scythian tech/lifestyle (>>3046202)


> white scythians in the eastern frontier ruled over their mongoloid grunts, who were the majority (>>3047163)

> whites in the eastern frontier were later removed by their mongoloid grunts, who were the majority (>>3046990)

>>3048922

see
>>3048937

the Xiongnu (Scyths) were started by an elite of white Scyths who moved to the periphery eastern frontier and rallyed up a posse mongoloid grunts who once were forest-dwellers

the mongoloid Xiongnu learned from the white elites Xiongnu and then replaced them

just like sweden was started by whites, but is now brown'd

just like usa was started by whites, but is now brown'd

just like britain was started by whites, but is now brown'd

just like australia was started by whites, but is now brown'd

>>3048937
>>3048949
BULLSHIT!
ALL OF IT!!

back to /pol/

>>3048949
Wrong. The xiongnu and the modu chanyu are not elite whites but rather Mongolian. The archeological data shows the cultures of xiongnu strongly used Chinese weapon/armor. Scythian/yeuzhi were in fact subjugated and were forced to be vassal states.

The xiongnu and Huns are same group. Huns were led by Mongolic people. Atilla was mongolic.

Stop the we wuz retard.

>>3048965
your mongoloid retardation is showing again

>
the Xiongnu (Scyths) were started by an elite of white Scyths who moved to the periphery eastern frontier and rallyed up a posse mongoloid grunts who once were forest-dwellers

>they started out as whites
>later became mongoloid retards

but dont expect a mongoloid to understand anything besides dog eating

>>3048937
>a few white scythians in the eastern frontier used forest-dwelling mongoloids as grunts
The iron age Scythian ethnogenesis postdates the Yamnaya/Afanasievo expansion by thousands of years.

>These findings are consistent with the appearance of east Eurasian mitochondrial lineages in the western Scythians during the Iron Age, and imply gene-flow or migration over the Eurasian Steppe belt carrying East Asian/North Siberian ancestry from the East to the West as far as the Don-Volga region in southern Russia.
There was gene flow from west to east(Yamnaya) and east to west(North Siberian components found in Eastern Scythians).

>the white scythians in the eastern frontier were the elite
If the so called "Mongoloid" Xiongnu were ruled by Scythians,these would have to be Eastern Scythian who were already mixed.

Particularly interesting are the tombs in the cemetery at Heigouliang, Xinjiang (the Black Gouliang cemetery, also known as the summer palace of the Xiongnu king), east of the Barkol basin, near the city of Hami. By typing results of DNA samples during the excavation of one of the tombs, it was determined that of the 12 men there were: Q1a*(xQ-M120, xQ-M25, xQ-M3) - 6, Q1b (M378) - 4 (two separate tombs), Q*(xQ1a, xQ1b)-2 (unable to determine subclade).

>white scythians in the eastern frontier taught the mongoloid grunts and made them adopt scythian tech/lifestyle
Nope. It was the Eastern Scythians that were interacting with the Xiongnu confederation.

>whites in the eastern frontier were later removed by their mongoloid grunts, who were the majority
The Xiongnu,Gokturks and the Mongols KHANed the Elliot Rodger Eastern Scythians not the Western Scythians.
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14615

>>3048972
>get proto-Mongol'd
>claim we wuz whites
k e k

>Huns (proto-mongol) wreck the whites of Europe
>claim he's white
>whole country of Hungary claims to be Huns
>Roman diplomat describe Atilla as a stock proto-mongol guy
K E K

This is just plain embarassing. Worse than the african we wuzzers

>>3048973
>>3048980

>no reading comprehension
>ignoring all facts

as expected from a retard mongoloid.

you post nothing against the facts that (eastern scyths ruled over mongoloids and later replaced by mongoloids) but just repeat your mongoloid revisionism

>>3048984
>WE WUZ
>facts
Okay kid

>>3048980
>>3048973
>>3048984

mongoloids: long torso, short limbs, big calves, usually bowlegged

the short legs of east Asians. Something dwarfish about it, unnatural, perverse.
The long torsos and short legs.. the way they scuff their feet when walking because they can't talk regular strides... they tend to shuffle along as if they were wearing flip flops because they can't raise their feet very high off the ground.
they are more heat tolerant than other races and tend to wear warm clothes on warm days, when everyone else is in t shirts.
it's even more glaringly indicative of geographically isolated human evolution than some of the other obvious racial differences because it affects the basic frame of the skeleton.
Some of the women would look alright if it wasn't for the freakishly asexual dwarf legs. A pity.

>>3048984
>However, ABC analyses that evaluated different models for the origins of Scythian populations provided the strongest support for a multiregional origin, with eastern and western groups arising independently within their own regions.
Nope,by the time the Eastern Scythians arose they were a mixed with East Eurasians.

The Xiongnu confederation was interacting with this mixed population not the Western Scythians.

Yamanya related cultures also raped their western counterparts,so you really aren't any different from poos or Turkic steppeniggers.

>>3048992
>>3048999
why did you even bother learning engrish, if you are a proud mongoloid masterrace, Wong?

why did you even bother moving to a white country, if you are a proud mongoloid masterrace, Wong?

why did you even bother using white civilization, if you are a proud mongoloid masterrace, Wong?

is it because you know you are inferior and have to steal and destroy like the mongoloids in the past?

and then cover up your tracks thru mongoloid revisionism?

>>3048999
>the mongoloids spontaneously became scythians horse-niggers

>the white scythians spontaneously became mongoloid horse-niggers

>conveniently ignoring the process of original whites leading a pack of wild mongoloids and teaching them their technology/lifestyle only to be raped and genocided by wild mongoloids

this is the average mongoloid rertardation

>>3049003
Nice projection. I wonder where all this vehement rage comes from.

>>3049013
Read the damn paper,Eastern Scythians had a separate ethnogenesis and spread their genes westwards.

This is just dumb. Its a known genetic fact that the mongoliacs spread their genes westward due to their power/empire/etc. The same didn't happen eastward as the Chinese/mongolics went on westward expansion.

>>3049031
Our genomic analyses reveal that western and eastern steppe inhabitants possess east Eurasian ancestry to varying degrees. In our ADMIXTURE analyses we find an East Asian ancestry component at K=15 in all Iron Age samples that has not been detected in preceding Bronze Age populations in either western or eastern parts of the Eurasian Steppe. Another ancestral component that is maximized in the north Siberian Nganasan population becomes visible from the 2nd millennium BCE onwards in the eastern steppe (Okunevo, Karasuk, Mezhovskaya). This component appears later in all Iron Age populations but with significantly higher levels in the eastern steppe zone than in the West. These findings are consistent with the appearance of east Eurasian mitochondrial lineages in the western Scythians during the Iron Age, and imply gene-flow or migration over the Eurasian Steppe belt carrying East Asian/North Siberian ancestry from the East to the West as far as the Don-Volga region in southern Russia. In general, gene-flow between eastern and western Eurasia seems to have been more intense during the Iron Age than in modern times, which is congruent with the view of the Iron Age populations of the Eurasian Steppe being highly mobile semi-nomadic horse-riding groups.
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14615

>>3049038
the mongoloids want to you to believe that it was all peacefurr and the whites were always actually mongoloid

>>3049025
>>3049038
>conveniently ignoring the process of original whites leading a pack of wild mongoloids and teaching them their technology/lifestyle only to be raped and genocided by wild mongoloids

>>3049043
Considering where P originated,ANE were East Eurasian rape babies,proto Indo-Europeans were ANE rape babies and Western Europeans/Turkics/poos are Yamnaya rabe babies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_P_(Y-DNA)

>>3049025
>>3049038

Afanasevo (white) culture dramatically influence Elunin/Krotov/Tashkov culture as well as Persia, India, Caucasus, and most of Eurasia

>Elunin/Krotov/Tashkov culture Elunin/Krotov/Tashkov culture (Siberia 2000 BCE) (new Caucasoid (Andronovo) migrants leading older Mongol-Caucasoid (Afanasevo) hybrids)

Elunin culture was formed by interaction of Caucasoid (Andronovo) migrants, who brought with them tradition of bronze metallurgy and advanced animal husbandry. Interaction between migrant Caucasoid ethnic groups and indigenous Mongoloid-Caucasoid mixed populations in the frontier, periphery foothills and plains area of the Altai's Upper Ob at the end of the 3rd millennium BCE

The frontier Tashkov culture people were in regular cultural contact with the Andronovo population of the Southern Urals, and they also learned metalworking from Andronovo

Krotov culture is an indigenous 2nd millennium BCE Bronze Age culture of animal breeders in the steppe and forest-steppe area of the Western Siberia Altai

The tribes of the Elunin/Krotov/Tashkov circle cultures were located in the Altai,forest-steppes and foothills; the Caucasoids were metallurgists and pastoral animal breeders. They developed entirely new designs of socketed weapons, and art images that included horses, oxen, sheep, camels, and more. The other Mongoloid component was located in the area of the Sayan highlands, where lived populations of the southern zone of East Siberian taiga hunters and fishermen. They belonged to the Glazkov, Shiver, and other cultures around the Baikal and Angara River basin, who mastered bronze casting and the manufacture of flint, jade and bone implements, and produced twin blade knives, scraper knives, and saws; their imagery had snakes, elk, bear, and more. The organic fusion of the Altai (Caucasoid) and Sayan (Mongoloid) components into a single culture is thought to have occurred in the steppe foothills between the Ob and Irtysh rivers.

>>3049054
>>3049025
>>3049038

you intentionally ignore the mongolification >>3047159 >>3046955 >>3046985 >>3049056

>>3049054
The majority of ANE(83%) is clearly descended from the West Eurasian node of non Africans.

>>3046283
stunted

>>3047430
>>3046234
>>3046236
>>3046410

Yamna weren't powerful or numerous enough to change the genetic structure of Europe or italy.

But they did mix with nearby Cucuteni-Trypillian because they felt like doing it.

>>3046514
>Russian mutations of R1a
>not represented anywhere else in Russia

listen m8, the rape train runs in both directions and the Indo-Europeans had modern horses first and chariots and advanced bronze metallurgy

effect over time, etc

>>3049064
So the East Eurasian(17%) portion contributed the male uniparental that would become R.

>>3049054
So the proto-mongols had sex with Yamnaya around altaic and produced the scythians?

>>3046577
irrelevant, their culture was carried along

>>3049060
>>3049056
>>3049083
he is obviously a butthurt mongoloid troll

just ignore the troll

and remember one thing that the mongoloid revisionist will never steal from you:

one group invented the wheel, chariot, steel, silk, composite bow, domesticated the horse...
the other group gets these inventions from the inventors, and then do away with the inventors.
today, the adopters thrive in the homeland of the vanished inventors.

now that mongoloid group claims that it was all theirs from the beginning

>>3049094
>>3049091
cultural diffusion was the downfall of the Scythians. if they had the foresight like the Chinese, and kept their skills a trade-secret, much of the territory from Hungary to Manchuria, today, would have been Ossetian/Tocharian territory and the Mongolids would have remained reindeer herders somewhere in Yakutia.

>>3049097
what secrets would the sycthians be able to keep against a giant civilization like China to its neighbors or the Roman/Greek/Persian to the west?

When hardship hits, they'd trade what they know for what they need. TL;DR they can't or they'd go extinct much earlier.

>>3049100
indeed eurasia would have remained Scythian from Hungary to Manchuria, if the Scythians were the genocidal maniacs you make them out to be

fact is the IE had technological advantages over the reindeer herding mongoloids.

if IE used their technological advantages (wheels, horse, chariot, steel, silk, composite bow) by applying a genocidal policy toward the mongolid reindeer hunters, there would be no mongolid survivors in eurasia today. there would infact be no race in eurasia beside the IE race, if that was infact the case.

instead the IE policy was tolerant towards mongoloids and adopted lone mongoloids into the IE nomad fold, these mongoloids learned the ways of their IE hosts and adopted IE technology and culture.

once the mongoloid genetic directive felt their hosts were no longer needed, they exterminated their hosts/mentors with the tools that they got from them.

>>3049091
not even fucking close

>>3047050
>>3047099
>>3049038
>not knowing the difference between early period (white), middle period (raped/genocide by mongoloid), later period (mongoloid)

see >>3048949


early period karasuk, like Xiongnu, and east Scythians were white

- Karasuk culture - mixed eyes (light and dark, that is blue, green and brown)

Karasuk culture (Mongolia, China. 1500–800 BC)

Karasuk culture describes a group of Bronze Age societies who ranged from the Aral Sea to the upper Yenisei in the east and south to the Altai Mountains and the Tian Shan in ca. 1500–800 BC.[1]

Vital trade contact is traced from northern China and the Baikal region to the Black Sea and the Urals, influencing the uniformity of the culture

specifically Proto-Iranian identity of the Karasuk culture.[1] The Karasuk tribes have been described by archaeologists as exhibiting pronounced Europoid features

The individuals surveyed were all determined to be Europoid and light-eyed

Their realistic animal art probably contributed to the development of the Scytho-Siberian animal art style (Scythian art).

>>3049091
yes, yamna, scythians were never euopean, they were mongoloid.

mongoloids invented the wheel, chariot, horse, composite bow, steel, metallurgy, equestrianism, farming techniques, copper

>>3049108
You're an autist, scythians didn't come up with nomadic horse culture, mongols did/

http://www.shh.mpg.de/398736/mongolias-nomadic-horse-culture

>>3049112
According to >>3049038

>Genomic inference reveals that Scythians in the east and the west of the steppe zone can best be described as a mixture of Yamnaya-related ancestry and an East Asian component
>We also find evidence that significant gene-flow from east to west Eurasia must have occurred early during the Iron Age.

So basically a proto-mongol invasion type theory that took place to the west. It was a "significant" gene-flow from east to west.

>>3049127
>mongoloid reading comprehension
the IE did you mong

>>3049128
see this you fag

>>3049122

>>3049128
>not knowing the difference between early period (white), middle period (raped/genocide by mongoloid), later period (mongoloid)
According to >>3049138 >>3049122 >>3048949

east scythians got mongol'd

>>3049122
Karasuk and Okunuevo aren't pure Indo Europeans.

They are a mix of steppe(Afanesiveo) with a population similar to modern day Amerinidans and Beringians.
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?5287-RISE554-and-N-Y6503
http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2016/03/d-statsnmonte-open-thread.html

>>3049145
>mongoloid reading comprehension
again
>not knowing the difference between early period (white), middle period (raped/genocide by mongoloid), later period (mongoloid)

>>3049126
>>3049108
>>3049100
>>3049097
>>3046202

>be China
>monopolize on technology (porcelain, silk, paper..) secrets for eons
>Europeans beg for trade secrets of Chinese technology
>fuckoffgwailo.mov
>Anglos start wars to open free trade
>allow trade on condition that your Chinese citizens move to US and learn technology of west
>ban westerners from controlling business and doing the same in your land
>continue strategy of extracting all of western science and technology secrets for the next hundred years
>copy and replace western products
>westerners transfer all technology to you
>settle Chinese in western lands
>total replacement of gwailo
>mission complete

>>3049148
They were mixed,unless you can provide autosomal DNA that proves otherwise.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?176603-Ancient-DNA-RISE-Karasuk-MDLP-K23b-comparison

>>3049097
>repeating Scythian/Andronovo failures
the west never learns from history

>>3049138
>ignoring scientific sudies
kys autist

>>3049140
The paper states the scythians of both east and west are the results of being mongol'd.

Now they may later be mongol'd as well, that's not what I'm trying to get at.

>>3049152
>>3049155
>the forest dwelling mongoloids spontaneously became scythians horse-niggers

>the white scythians spontaneously became mongoloid horse-niggers

>conveniently ignoring the process of original whites leading a pack of wild mongoloids and teaching them their technology/lifestyle only to be raped and genocided by wild mongoloids

this is the average mongoloid rertardation

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>>3048875
there was no "genocide". they just racemixed but culturally died out/blended into modern central asian culture. genocide and racemixing are different things.

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>>3049159

>>3049157
>>3049159
>>3049163
you are manipulating facts that been posted in this entire thread and intentionally ignore the early IE period of contact with forest dwelling mongoloids

the end result was mongol'd, there is no doubt in that.

the beginning was IE white, the end was mongoloids taking IE tech/culture and replacing them genetically


stop posting and embarrassing yourself further

>>3049159
Mongolids thru genocide they replaced the indigenous Tocharians, Scythians, Parthans, Sogdians, Bactrians
the Donghu, Shiwei are Mongolic and created the Xiongnu, Xianbei, Mongols.
the Xianbei created the Tan, Nirun, Rouran etc...
The Tan created the Tūjué aka Gokturks


All this time the Mongolids lived in the periphery of Scythian civilization and learned/adopted the Scythian lifestyle and gradually advanced westwards until they erased Scythians/Tocharians

>>3049157
>>3049159
>>3049163
mongols genocided Aryan men in central asia and raped Aryan women which is why everyone looks like chink there now

>>3049171
So we wuzn't Xiongnu?

WTF I hate mongols now

>>3049159
>>3049163

what is ex-aryan kazakstan/uzbekistan/turkmenistan/afghanistan/turkestan/persia/azerbaijan/turkey persia turned into a wasteland inhabited by bowlegged pinhole eyes at worst and elliot rodgerses at best

>>3049172
late period Xiongnu were mongoloid
early period were whites having mongoloid pets

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>>3049171
>everyone looks like chink there now
not really. these people for example look more like caucasoids than pure asians.

>>3049159
>>3049163

>Because Central Asia is NOW the home of constantly genociding mongoloids. ofcourse the indigenous people either go extinct or seek refuge farther away from the encroaching onslaught. just leave from your homeland or become history.

>>3049181
>>3049159
>>3049163
up until 100 years ago it was all empty deserted wasteland, it wasnt so before the turko-mongols

turko-mongols raped and genocided

west/central asia was genocided that even to this day it hasnt recovered

>>3049181
>>3049159
>>3049163
>plenty of mongol rape babies people still left in Central Asia and the Middle East

the reason why Tocharians vanished:

Mongoloid raids and invasions as some of the deadliest conflicts in human history.

Large areas of Asia were seriously depopulated,[6] as every city, village or town was subject to destruction. Each soldier was required to execute a certain number of persons, with the number varying according to circumstances. For example, after the conquest of Urgench, each Mongol warrior – in an army group that might have consisted of two tumens (units of 10,000) – was required to execute 100 people [7].

Mongoloid invasions induced population extermination on a scale never seen before particularly in Central Asia and eastern Europe.
Mongol conquests anhilated 70,000,000+ 1206–1324 Eurasia
Conquests of Tamerlane anhilated 20,000,000+ 1370–1405 Eurasia
Turko-Mongoloid conquests anhilated 300,000,000+ 200-1920 Eurasia

>>3049184
turkomongols are literally sub humans who did nothing but mass murder, commit nigh acts of genocide and set humanity and civilization back centuries. Nothing can be any worse then them.


if the turkomongols never adopted scythian lifestyle (horse, wheel, chariot, crossbow, steel, metallurgy), then central asia would still be the shining beacon of light leading the world.

tocharians, sogdian, bactrians, khwarezmians would continue to advance at the forefront of civilisation and lead the world.

>>3049159
>>3049187

its genocide-deniers on the same mongoloid roach level as armenian-genocide deniers

>>3049159
>>3049187
if by "Assimilation and Migration" you mean genocided, then yes

>>>>3049159
>mongoloid group remains undisturbed in east Asian steppe
>mongoloid group expands west to IE homeland
>mongoloid group depopulates IE homeland, killing countless millions
>mongoloid group acquires IE territory
>not genocide

fuck off roach

>>3049171
http://historum.com/general-history/61437-central-asia-genocide-millions-caucasoid-mongoloid-invaders-mongol-turkic.html

>>3049202
the Mongoloids have had no peers. I mentioned the 1,747,000 people possibly killed in Nishapur. In 1219 Jinghiz Kahn's army captured Bokhara and allegedly murdered 300,000; and another 400,000 people in capturing Samarkand.14 In 1221 a Mongol army seized Merv and reportedly took 13 days to slaughter 1,300,000 inhabitants 15 Historians also record that in 1220 the Mongols killed 50,000 in Kazvin after it was captured;16 70,000 in Nessa, and a similar number in Sebzevar.17

It is written that in 1221, the Mongol Tului slew 700,000 to 1,300,000 people in Meru Chahjan, one of the four main cities of Khorassan in the Northern borderland of Persia. Upon capture the inhabitants were made to evacuate the city, a four-day task. Then they were distributed among the Mongols and massacred. It took 13 days to count corpses. Among those who hid from the massacre, 5,000 were killed by Mongol detachments when they later emerged.18

Also, the entire population of Rayy, a city with 3,000 mosques, was slaughtered.19 Herat was later captured, but only some 12,000 soldiers and their dependents were killed. However, after the inhabitants later rebelled Jinghiz Khan angrily sent his general Noyan against them. The city was recaptured and it took a whole week to burn it down and murder its estimated 1,600,000 people. Many thousands escaped, but Noyan later sought and killed over 2,000 of them.20

>>3049200
If mongols indeed genocided central asian iranian central asian turkics would be 100% mongol and have only mongoloid haplogroups. but they have 30% to 80% caucasoid dna and haplogroups

>>3049205
Oh and mongol invasion made turkics look more mongoloid, especially kazakhs.

>>3049205
>>3049209
except we DO really know and have plenty of historical accounts, physical evidence, and genetic evidence that prove IE as the native people of central Asia, who were later replaced by mongolids (turks, mongols)

besides the genocided IE Scythians, we also have Tocharians, Bactrians, Sogdians, Parthians, Karezms etc who were also erased by mongolids aka GOT KHAN'd

SO WE DO HAVE ANCIENT IE PEOPLES NATIVE TO ASIA (all the way to mongolia/china) who resided there for eons


or are you also gonna KHAN your way out of this and claim that all these IE people were mongolid?

>>3049209
>turks
>not mongoloid
get a load of this roach
The original Turks were mongoloid Siberians like buryat

>>3047010

>>3049220
are you inbred?
I'm not denying that Turkics were 100% mongoloid, but when they migrated to Central Asia and Xinjiang, they mixed with local population, thus, becoming only 30% to 60% mongoloid. Then mongol invasion happened and they 'regained' some of their original mongoloid genes back. This is only true for Kazakhs and some Kyrgyzes/Uzbeks tho.

>>3049226
no one gives a fuck about you inbred roaches

>>3049235
then shut the fuck up

>>3049240
>be mongoloid roach
>pillage, rape and murder my way to Europe from Mongolia
>get raped by camels on my way there and become sandnigger-mongoloid mudslimes
>arrive in Anatolia
>conquer villagers and peasants
>3% of the country is in Europe
WE IZ EUROPEAN NOW

go back to buryatia

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>>3049179
>a poojeet race of elliot rodgers

pic related is a white looking uzbek

>>3049175
So late period mongols kept whites as pets?

WTF I HATE MONGS

MY ANCESTORS

>>3049179
What do you mean by asians? Mongoloid look? or Hapa look? Turkics are Mongoloid.
I have slanted eyes and my nickname was Jap all throughout my life.
Even at university, I had Turkmen friends and they asked me "Dude are you Turkmen or something?". And those Turkmens looked like a Mongol either

>>3046178
No, they didn't. They were decimated or moved Westwards but Turkics and Mongolics never out breed or assimilated them.

>>3046340
Tajiks are not Pakistani, you nignog.

>>3049843
wtf you smokin, nigga?
get off da crack

every tajik/uzbek met was a brown gypsy lookin fag with slanty beady eyes

fuckin ugly vermin with the shittiest names

bakhtyor tahir abdurakhmanov

>>3049816
you must be one ugly looking roach rapebaby

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>>3049881
I don't want to get doxxed so pic related

>>3049881
he's copying me from that INT thread
i'm not him, he's mentally ill imo.

>>3049891
>butthurt turkroach rapebaby

you will never be pure like us uzbeks!

>>3045852
tajikistan and afghanistan are majority iranic rather than turkic

>>3049859
they're still much closer to iranians and afghans than they are to pakistanis

>>3049886
>>3049816
>>3049881
>>3049891
now all the turkroach shitposting against white scythians/iranians/tocharians is revealed

LMAO

Iranians were never in Central Asia

You little shitskin LARPers and your peanut butter and JEALOUS towards Mongols make me crack up.

DAILY REMINDER:
Iranians are so shit as a race, that even Turks and Arabs owned them as slaves.

>>3049859
I have never met a Tajik that looked like how you described them, you faggot Paki.

>>3050657
>I have never met a Tajik

FTFY.

>>3050119
>>3050177
- t. Ar*b

>>3050699
Wrong, P*ki.

>>3050924
i am from beijing and now living in your shithole

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>>3047943
How did such a large group of people just disappear?

>>3051167
Mongolids expanded from Yakutia and permafrost areas, their original homeland. Mongols are Paleo-Siberian and originally lived like and are related to Evenks, Chukchi, Eskimos, Yakuts. They were reindeer herders or hunters.
They met horse riding Scythians and Tocharians, and learned the horse-riding steppe culture from them.
With the newly adopted steppe-lifestyle based on the horse (taken originally from Scythians), Mongolids gradually grew and expanded to mongolia. From there they eradicated the original Scythians/Tocharians and continued genociding Scythians/Tocharians who were indigenous to Central Asia.

Today Central Asia is inhabited by the Mongolids who replaced the Scythians.

>>3051167
they got mongol'd

Central Asia and Spanish America are the two places of the world , at least in historical times, in which the race of the locals was changed by male conqueror on conquered female race mixing.

short chinks put their tiny dicks in 6 feet tall Maria Sharapova looking women.

>>3051183

Then why do Kirghiz still have 60% of the Indo-Iranian haplogroup?

>>3051192
>being this new
because indo-iranians are from russia
and Kirghiz had alot of russians

lurkmoar and read the thread newfag

>>3051220

Slavs don't have Indo-Iranian DNA
see >>3046685

>>3051192

WE WUZ WHITE N SHIT

>>3051227
you are that one stupid turkroach spamming

>>3051192
the Kyrgyz are more than 90% mongoloid.

you turkroach mongoloid

>>3051238

So your one braincell isn't enough to answer why Kirghiz have 60% of the Indo-Iranian haplogroup?

>>3051247
>being this new
because indo-iranians are from russia
and Kirghiz had alot of russians

lurkmoar and read the thread newfag

multiculturalism

>>3051255

Indo-Iranians are Z93. Russians don't have Z93.

>>3051247
So your roach head isn't enough to answer why Kirghiz are more than 90% mongoloid?

>>3051262

It's more like 70%. They do look Mongoloid dominant though.

>>3051267
>>3051261

You can't prove anything by posting haplogroups
If R1a z93 is indeed white, then Kyrgyz people would have been less than 50% mongoloid, but they're more than 90% mongoloid.

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What the fuck is up with all the memeing? Kids from /pol/ suddenly grew an interest in eurasians? This is the last place I'd expect this much autism.

>>3051176
Somebody's bullshitting.

The mongol race always lived in the same geographical area. At best, the expanded westward, but never further than a little north from where the Tocharians live. It is true that they learned about horses together with the tocharians from the original indo-aryans, but they never lived on the permafrost.

The Turkic race(s?) lived between the mongols and the Scythians. The turkics gradually displaced the Scythians by expanding westward, leading the scythians to move further west. (why would the people of a culture of NOMADIC horse breeders stay in the same place after being beaten?), Modern turkics inhabit the northern stans while the scythians seem to have settled around the caucasus now, after all the slavs replaced them on the westernmost part of the steppes. This "go west" movement is essentually what isolated tochs from other indo-iranians

Honestly I'm having trouble seeing the racial difference between turkics and scythians, asian looking whites and white looking asians, arr rook the same

>>3051183
Sharapova looks slavic as fuck mate.

>>3051269
>If R1a z93 is indeed white
>can't prove anything by posting haplogroups

what a fucking retard
You do know it's possible the reason the parental R1a is so prevalent amidst the phenotypic mongoloid morphology is because a long time before the Mongol conquest, Bronze age Indo-European males stormed the entire region and mated with mongoloid females of varying types right?

That's a really easy explanation for this effect.

>>3051269

There is no linear correlation between haplogroup and overall genetic structure. There's tribes in Africa who are 90% R1b and they are less mixed with West Eurasians than E1b Algerians.

>>3051294
So your roach head isn't enough to answer why Kirghiz are more than 90% mongoloid?

Also why the fuck is everyone accusing each other of being Turk? Turks and Turkics have nothing to do with each other beyond the name

>>3051291
>suddenly
this has been a topic of conversation for almost a full year now

>turkics gradually displaced the Scythians by expanding westward, leading the scythians to move further west. (why would the people of a culture of NOMADIC horse breeders stay in the same place after being beaten?)

this is one of the reasons I find the Polish/Sarmatians myth so interesting.

>>3049025
the nigs we wuz is bullshit, ours is facts

>>3051307

Poles and Slavs aren't Z93 so no they are not Sarmatians

>>3051291

WRONG faggot

the following are just some of northern mongoloid groups that share the ancient paleo lifestyle of herding reindeer, shamanism, and hunting :

evenks -tungus

yakuts, soyot, tuvans, dolgans -turks

buryat -mongols

samoyed, evenki, nenets, khanty, sami, mansi -uralic

chuvan, khodynts -yukagir

chukchi, koryak - chukotko-kamchatkan

ket, yugh - yeniseian

nivkh

inuit, yupik -aleut-eskimo

the list is not comprehensive

>>3051303
retard, do you even know what mitochondrial DNA is?
>>3051298
>tribes in Africa who are 90% R1b
Chad.

>no linear correlation between haplogroup and overall genetic structure
incorrect

>>3051291
>Tocharians live. It is true that they learned about horses together with the tocharians from the original indo-aryans
WRONG faggot

Afanasievo was the eastern branch of Yamna, the Tocharians are the descendants of eastern Yamna (Afanasievo)


They found that the Yamnaya of the Samara Valley in the northern steppe of Russia were genetically indistinguishable from the Afanasievo of the Altai in the Yenesey region of southern Siberia, which confirms archaeologists’ suggestions that there was a vast migration of steppe pastoralists to the east. But unlike in Europe where the Yamnaya interbred with local farmers, the Yamnaya moving east completely replaced the local hunter-gatherers—perhaps because this region was only sparsely populated, Willerslev says.

scholars have linked the Tocharians with the Afanasevo culture of eastern Siberia (c. 3500 – 2500 BC), the Tarim mummies (c. 1800 BC) and the Yuezhi of Chinese records, most of whom migrated from western Gansu to Bactria in the 2nd century BC and then later to the northwestern Indian subcontinent where they founded the Kushan Empire.

>>3046685
this
>>3046658
R1a-z93 and it's mutations is over 50% in Kyrgyzstan
Now better?

>>3051321

Haplogroup=1 ancestor thousands of years ago.
It doesn't tell you how much the DNA originally associated with it was dilluted through sex biased exogamy.
Irish and Basque are not 80% Yamna but more like 50% and 25%.

>>3051304
Because Turk are Turkic wannabe

>>3051291
>I'm having trouble seeing the racial difference between
>not knowing the difference between early period (white), middle period (raped/genocide by mongoloid), later period (mongoloid)

WRONG AGAIN faggot

go get your pinhole eyes replaced

Sarmatians or the Scythians described them as fair skinned and blonde, with light eyes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#Physical_appearance

Scythians are constantly described as white, white as in platinum blonde hair, pale-rose skin and blue eyes.

Haplogroups in the region during the bronze and iron age show that they were white.

>>3051304
>wh*Te subhuman in charge of non-wh*Te people
cute.

>>3051314
>Poles and Slavs aren't Z93
not most of them, doesn't mean anything given the fact that the unique genetic signatures of a smaller migrant population can get naturally washed out over time.

Samatian samples also show J1 and G, so I don't really understand your point.

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ayo hol up

>>3051365

Poles aren't J1 or G either. Slavs are not Sarmatian, deal with it. They are a unique people from Pripyet marshes with no history outside Pripyet marshes.

>>3051261
>ayo hol up
>Russians don't have Z93.

what is the Russian Srubna, Yamna, Poltavka culture

>>3051358
this

In the very same sutta where the Buddha says that people with dark skin were considered demons,

We can infer that the dark races are further on the side of the demonic, and the lighter, on the divine side of the spectrum.

Buddha Shakyamuni was a blue-eyed Scythian as per Buddhist scriptures, and said that those with dark skin were demons.

>>3051397

Modern day Russians don't have Z93. They are Slavo-Finnic and for whatever reason Finnic people never picked up Z93 despite living near steppe Aryans.

>>3051319
ok, there's siberianised mongols. big fucking deal.

Tell me, how did these mongolid cultures that lived in the north of the world, a region that can barely sustain 5 digit populations, manage to move south where the much more numerous, much better armed mongol / proto-mongol cultures resided, then move westwards evading the turkics entirely AND replaced the Scythians?

>They found that the Yamnaya of the Samara Valley in the northern steppe of Russia were genetically indistinguishable (...)

That doens't confirm shit. Only thing it proves is that a indo-iranian horde managed to settle further east than the Mongols lived.

>suggestions that there was a vast migration of steppe pastoralists to the east.

The mere presence of Tocharians in fucking china is proof of that.

>the Yamnaya moving east completely replaced the local hunter-gatherers—perhaps because this region was only sparsely populated

is this really surprising? all regions close to coastal siberia are sparsely populated. How many non finnish finno-ugric people's there are, depite barely being affected by other nations across all their history?

>>3051358
>Sarmatians or the Scythians described them as fair skinned and blonde, with light eyes.

Are you seriously using the accounts of ancient peoples as proof of anything? have you forgotten the phrase ">believing herotodus"

By god, the logical jumps this autist makes.

Indo-Europeans weren't racially mongoloid nor white. They were Eurasian. They own race. And blonde hair and blue eyes are not unique to Europeans. Finno Ugrics are not originally European have have both red and blonde hair.

The Indo-European language tree spread through Europe because they developed it first, the same way Egyptian script evolved into the greek and phoenician alphabets and spread through europe.

>white.

there's no such thing as white, it's a modern buzzword used mainly by gringos. provide a racial group or stop posting.

>>3051408
>muh weak data and small sample set is accurate and therefore russians have no Z93

you are literally the definition of retarded

>>3051418
>mongoloid shilling this hard to erase white race again

into the trash

>>3051418
we have facts and then we have your desperate mongoloid shitposting

>>3051418
>mongoloid revisionism
boy is this desperate mongoloid retarded

>The Yamnya DNA testing of remains from kurgans also indicated a high prevalence of people with characteristics such as blue (or green) eyes, fair skin and light hair, implying an origin close to Europe for this population


>the Bronze Age Andronovo period mtDNA haplogroups were of west Eurasian origin and the study determined that at least 60% of the individuals overall (out of the 26 Bronze and Iron Age human remains' samples of the study that could be tested) with the majority being light hair and blue or green eye

> Tocharian Tarim of 2000 BCE were typical Europoid body features (elongated bodies, angular faces, recessed eyes), and many of them have their hair physically intact, ranging in color from blond to red to deep brown, and generally long, curly and braided.

> old Chinese books that describe historical or legendary figures of great height, with deep-set blue or green eyes, long noses, full beards, and red or blond hair. Scholars have traditionally scoffed at these accounts, but it now seems that they may be accurate

>The Alans were a group of Sarmatian tribes, according to the Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus. He wrote, "Nearly all the Alani are men of great stature and beauty, their hair is somewhat yellow, their eyes are frighteningly fierce

>Dinlin type "is characterized by the following attributes: average height, frequently tall, a stout and strong constitution, an oblong face, white skin with rosy cheeks, blond hair, a straight protruding nose, frequently eagle-type, light eyes".

>>3051418
Wheat and millet were introduced to northern china from the west. Although westerners think of china as a solely rice-based civilization, wheat and other grains are very important in northern china even today. Also vines and wine and other foodstuffs were introduced from the west.

It is important to remember that Xi'an, the capital of the Han dynasty , is quite far west, and close to the western corridor of Gansu, which leads to the tocharians.

The importance of the horse and chariots to chinese ciliizations can not be overemphasized. It was clearly inteoduced from the west, from indoeuropeans who developed the technology.

The tocharians, bactrians, soghdians were all city based, and highly developed ciliizations. The Han dynasty refers to greek bactira as DaYuan, and chinese travellers highly praised their cities and products, and the prosperous, industrious and peaceful inhabitants. The silk road was created to trade with DaYuan.

The nomadic steppe peoples such as scythians also had aspects of highly developed civilization, such as techincally refined and beautiful gold and iron working and clothing. Also they must have corralled their horses somewhere, implying they had at least semipermanent settlements. Probly similar to how the huns had one major tentcity as their capital in europe. They werent just nomads, but probly a seminomadic civilization.

The chinese learned of buddhism from the missionary efforts of grecobactrian buddhist kindgdoms and tocharians.

There are more examples of cultural and technological innovations that spread from the indoeuropean west to china,

>>3051442
>>3051418
there were still yamna who were blond and blue eyed as well. They were somewhat darker skinned then the average modern European, think a blond swede with a tan, like a golden light brown color
Yamnaya headed east from their homeland in the Eurasian steppelands, moving all the way to the Altai Mountains of Siberia, where they replaced local hunter-gatherers. This means that this distinctive culture of pastoralists, who had ox-driven wagons with wheels and whose warriors rode horses, dominated much of Eurasia, from north-central Europe to central Siberia and northern Mongolia. They persisted there until as recently as 2000 years ago. “Now we see the Yamnaya is not only spreading north into Europe; they’re also spreading east, crossing the Urals, getting all the way into central Asia, all the way into the Altai, between Mongolia, China, and Siberia,” says evolutionary biologist Eske Willerslev of the University of Copenhagen, author of one study.

>>3051464
>>3051418
Know this, the Uyghurs themselves were a turkish tribe from east asia, who encroached on Tocharian land. The downfall of the Tocharians were not caused by the Chinese, but by the Uyghur turks, who once they conquered all of the Tocharistan, they mass slaughtered, raped, any Tocharians they found. Thus, the Uyghurs do not have any legitimate claim to call themselves the children of the Tocharians, as they were the turkish tribes who themselves massacred the indo european inhabitants of the area. The reason some Uyghur may look very caucasian is due to the fact that the surviving Tocharians had no choice but to assimilate, and many Tocharian women were taken as harem wives for the muslim liberators.

Thus the Uyghur claim to Xinjiang is about as legitimate as the Turkish claim to Anatolia, which the western portion, the people are racially greek, not Turkish.

>>3051471
>>3051418
The Uyghur Empire was originally located in Mongolia and destroyed the Tocharian tribes in Xinjiang. Tocharians such as Kroran have been shown by archaeological findings to appear phenotypically similar to northern Europeans, whereas the Orkhon Uyghur people were clearly Mongolians.

>>3051476
>>3051418
The original Turks were a Mongoloid people closely related to the Yakuts, Manchus, Mongols, Tungus, Tartars...

Central Asia: The ancient people of Central Asia were pure Indo-European until they got wiped out (either by bloodshed or rape) by the TurkoMongols. Today the entire Central Asia is made up of a mixed race people who identify themselves by the name of their conquerers: Turk.

>>3051418
Based on ancient DNa and phyiscal descriptions by Greek and Chinese writers. the Iranians speakers in central asia stayed very unmixed so they would have been white. So there were big groups of white people like Sycthians and tocherians in central Asia before Turkic tribes conquered them mainly in around 200ad -400ad and the middle ages. Since like everyone in central asia today speakes a turkic language and look east asian, they nearlly killed off and raped the indo european and indo iranian european tribes that lived there

>>3051450
well try to have a Chinese civilization without steel, wheel, chariot, composite bow, horse domestication, agricultural techniques, advanced metallurgy, equastrianism, silk and a whole lotta other shit


I'm sceptical of any claims coming out of China today. They are extremely tight lipped when it comes to archeology that it just sends like they have a political advisor telling them to find only correct history.

>>3046431
Seres (Serica) produced was silk and Seres means 'of silk' in Latin and Greek. The fabric was so noteworthy so as to find mention as a fabric worn by Cleopatra

Pliny and Ptolemy states Seres, "within the confines of Bactria" were known for "silk of remarkable quality.


Pliny the Elder states: The first people that are known of here are the Seres, so famous for the silk that is found in their mullberry tree forests. After steeping it in water, they comb off a white down that adheres to the leaves; and then to the females of our part of the world they give the twofold task of unravelling their textures, and of weaving the threads afresh (this describes silk thread extraction). So manifold is the labour, and so distant are the regions which are thus ransacked to supply a dress through which our ladies may in public display their charms.

>>3051516
the domestication horse, wheel, chariot were all critical PIE inventions that led to their expansion into Europe and remote parts of Asia (India).

>>3051418
To continue, the original Indo-European race is fucking ancient. Old enough that the territories it occupied eventually evolved into their own races. I'd wager to say they eventually developped into Scythians, Turkics, Indo-Iranians / whatever the light skinned poo in loos are called and Iranans, but I'd need someone to bring genomic data to confirm it.

So yeah, Eurasian caucasics. Not white. No use arguing with the mental case that thinks Scythians are magically germanics/slavs.

>>3051442
>such as blue (or green) eyes, fair skin and light hair, implying an origin close to Europe for this population

Finno-Ugrics have all those traits and live in Siberia. Again, these are not exclusive traits to europeans. blode hair appears as south as africa itself.

>were of west Eurasian origin
Proving my point.

>Scholars have traditionally scoffed at these accounts,
">believeing herotodus"

Again everything you said corresponds to what I said. You for some reason think yuropoors own a copyright on blonde hair and that Eurasians are the same RACES as whatever race you think blond europeans, i'm sorry, "white" europeans are.

>>3051483
Turkics are not mongoloid, they are eurasian. Please look up pictures of these people, they still exist, and compare them with mongols.

>>3051464
Again it only proves that eurasians
emigrated all the time. Hungarians, Turks, Iranians, Yamna. These are all the product of these migrations, be it culturally, linguistically or racially. The birthplace of Eurasians are they main stomping grounds is still the central steppes.

>>3051450
>>3051471
>>3051493
Nice trivia mate, but irrelevant to what we are saying.


>>3051431
I'm a med. Not even one of the whiter looking ones.

>>3051493
Please tell me you didn't make nineposts in a row.

Shit I miss Fifel, at least his autism was entertaining.

>>3051540

Ugric people live in Siberia but have very low frequencies of light pigmentation

>>3051540
>>3051539
>>3051524
>>3051516
They also found out that a Persian was probably teaching math in Japan during the Nara period. Lots of amusing discoveries lately.


There is not enough archeological evidence to come up with conclusions. But Chinese archeologist and historians are trying to figure out if the Qiang people, neighbors to the Qin Dynasty, might be Hellenistic. And they a keep discovering entreaging finds at the first Emperor tomb site. Not like other retarded people who meme about xinjiang. Miles away from the warring states. But there have been evidence of contact with the aryan tribes i what is now Xinjiang and further west via the Jade trade.

Also the fact that Chinese never made life sizes statues as an argument is retarded.

1. There realistic looking animal sculptures and pottery dating back to the Shang and Zhou
2. NO OTHER SOVEREGIN COULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SUCH A HUGE CONSTRUCTION. Technically he was the first Tearch. Becauae he made a title to rival the title Huang皇: Emperor and Di帝: God. Hence HuangDi皇帝.

That being said, another proof there might have been hellenistic influences is another intreaging find. They have fons two sculptures of acrobats, that look nothing like the one constructed for the Emperor, and they were handmade, not like the other statues were each induvidal part was made. You can still see the finger prints on those handmade sculptures. Also their stanse is not so rigged like the other one in the tomb, and they do not wear Chinese clothing or armor either.

>>3051540
>butthurt fingol destroying history

you should be proud of your samoyedic, khanty-mansi culture and history

stop appropriating from others

ossetians are literally white scythians and speak Ironi (iranian dialect)


scythian names and history attest to this

scythians actually conversed with persians in their own scythian language and understood one another perfectly

persians also confirm white scythians as white aryans

>>3051540
except we DO really know and have plenty of historical accounts, physical evidence, and genetic evidence that prove IE as the native people of central Asia, who were later replaced by mongolids (turks, mongols)

besides the genocided IE Scythians, we also have Tocharians, Bactrians, Sogdians, Parthians, Karezms etc who were also erased by mongolids aka GOT KHAN'd

SO WE DO HAVE ANCIENT IE PEOPLES NATIVE TO ASIA (all the way to mongolia/china) who resided there for eons

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>>3051554
>have very low frequencies of light pigmentation

nope.

>>3051569
I'm not asian

I'm not white

you fucking schizo.

>>3051569

Ossetians are not a European people. They are a Georgian tribe that speak Iranian.

>>3051575

Udmurts are neither Ugric or Siberian. They are a Volga Finnic people from European Russia.

>>3051573
>>3051540
Shing Müller, "Sogdian in China um
http://www.uni-hamburg.de/Japanologie/noag/noag2008_7.pdf

Sogdian communities in ancient China


The Tang dynasty had conquered the Tarim Basin by the 7th century AD. Sogdians and Chinese engaged in extensive commercial activities with each other under Tang rule in the region. The Turpan region was renamed Xizhou (西州) when the Tang conquered it in 640 AD,[8] As a result of the Tang conquest, policies forcing minority group relocation and encouraging Han settlement led to Turpan's name in the Sogdian language becoming known as “Chinatown” or "Town of the Chinese"
Scythian dialects attested from the kingdoms of Khotan and Tumshuq in the ancient Tarim Basin, in present-day southern Xinjiang, China

Bactrian used as the official language of the Kushan and the Hephthalite empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogdian_language

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactrian_language

tl;dr Bactrians, Sogdians, Tocharians all lived in present-dat China

>>3051573
>>3051540
All of the white-ish people of central Asia (Nuristanis, Kalash, Pamiris, etc) are descended partially from the Tocharians, the Indo-European people who inhabited the Tarim basin until they were conquered by the Uyghurs. There is also lesser contribution from Indo-Iranian steppe tribes and Greco-Bactrians.


I guess light skinned light haired people just magically appeared, and dark skinned Meds were the real PIEs, not the Neolithic settlers.

somehow you've made the argument that light skin/eyes/hair didn't appear in Europe until just about the time of the PIE migrations, while simultaneously claiming the PIEs were a bunch of swarthy meds


What mountain range will carry the European equivalent of the Nuristanis when Africans overrun the continent, like Mongoloids did in Central Asia?

I'd guess the Carpathians.

>>3051220
>indo-iranians are from russia
No they aren't. Proto-Indo-Iranians/Iranics stem from Andronovo culture which started around that area.

>>3051156
>i am from beijing
Sure thing, Khan.

>>3051579
tell that to an Ossetian and your head will be rolling on the floor, along with your entire village, idiot

>>3051585
this is where your shitposts are ignored

>>3051599

>Carpathians

Romanians literally look half Gypsy. I have a Romanian friend who admitted it's very hard to tell Roma and Romani back home.

>>3051605

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udmurtia

Retard

>>3051601

you are just dumb as shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poltavka_culture

>>3051599
Nuristani are descendants of Indo-Europeans that isolated and preserved their traits due to isolation from neighboring tribes. See Kalash People of Pakistan.

Moreover, the original Vedic Aryans of India looked like that before race-mixing with the native population, and they and the Indo-Europeans that settled in Europe separated in pre-historic times.

Now I'm not saying they all looked like pic related. On the contrary, I think that the majority of them had brown hair and eyes. But it is obvious that they do have the genes for blonde hair and blue eyes, and that those traits were selected in areas where there lacked abundant sunlight, such as Scandinavia, giving rise to a branch more specialized in producing vitamin D.

>>3051539
>domestication horse, wheel, chariot
>PIE

no, they were just IE at that point

>>3051619
It is therefore more likely that Dnieper-Donets marked the transition of indigenous R1a and/or I2a1b people to early agriculture, perhaps with an influx of Near Eastern farmers from 'Old Europe'. Mitochondrial DNA sequences from Dnieper-Donets culture showed clear similarities with those of the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture in the Carpathians (haplogroups H, T and U3). Towards the end of the 5th millennium, an elite starts to develop with cattle, horses and copper used as status symbols.

>>3045852
Indo-Iranics have continual and increasingly contact with eastern Turkic and Mongolic people like the Goturks, Huns, etc..and were pushed gradually back Westwards. But iirc the biggest detriment to Scythians/Sarmatians was being pushed from Eurasia and Eastern Europe into Westerrn Europe when the Huns showed up, which lead to them mixing and assimilating with the Goths, Vandals, Germanics, and Slavics in the Hunnic Empire. The remnants that weren't pushed out of Central Asia were likely largely wiped out or assimilated by further Turkic invaders and atrocities committed by the Mongols and men such as Timurlane probably further depleted their presence in the region.

>>3051614
>"presumpative"
Learn to read.