Why were French tanks in WW2 such utter pieces of shit? What

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>>3031584
Why were German prewar tanks pieces of shit?

>>3031593
Can't say that about German WW2 tanks as a whole. French WW2 tanks as a whole were trash with thin armor, bad design, and under powered guns.

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>>3031922
>Literally better gunned, armoured and designed than German metal box crap that died if an anti-tank gunner sneezed

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shut the fuck up Nigel

The first german Tanks were as shitty as the french ones. Thin armor, low weight but nice speed for the Blitzkrieg strategy.
By the time Germans started building their "real" tanks France was already occupied.

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>>3031584


>tank from literally the first world war
>annihilates 13 "superior" panzers
>takes 140 direct hits
>armour undamaged

why were WW2 german tanks so undergunned? what the fuck were they thinking?

>>3032037
Their radios made up for it

>>3032037

Story plz

I always heard the French had decent tanks.

>>3031584
French tanks were bretty gud, just lacking radios and unsuited for the kind of warfare the germs employed

>>3032037
armour wasnt meant to be up against armour, that was the job of anti tank guns

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>>3031584
French ran out of fund.
Or they could mass produce this

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>>3032106
Or any of these

>>3032106
>>3032107
Then get rekt by dive bomber

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The Germans used Char B1 tanks later on in their fights, though.

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>it's a blitzkrieg myth thread where /his/ fails to realize that both - the Germans and the failing French command - profited from establishing the narrive of German technical superiority
Funny thing is I even talked two tanks commanders from both sides and they agree it's a myth.

>>3032112
None of these are particularly slow or even that large IIRC, why would they be any more vulnerable to a dive bomber than any other tank?

The french problem wasnt, that their tanks were shitty.
It was that their tactics regarding tanks and mobile warfare in general were shitty

>>3032177
>Implying the French didn't study Germany's doctrine
>What is "Methodical battle"
>What is Kiesling
In comparing the two doctrines the French summed up the differences as: "the German tank unit breaks the enemy and exploits the success to the limit. The French tank unit breaks the enemy front, begins the exploitation and prepares for its completion by other arms".

>>3032190
>>3032177
"Many French observers further saw the German use of coordinated infantry, artillery, tanks, aircraft and paratroopers in the breakthrough phase of the modern battle as so doctrinally similar to 'Methodical Battle' that they "would have passed muster at the Ecole Superieure de Guerre".

>>3032147
Well, inside the tank is noisy and is very hard to spot the enemy from the tank.
Also, the french prefer static warfare.
Anyway, the french exhausted from ww1 in both money and manpower.

>>3032147
air support is another meme thats overrated

to destroy a tank, you
set it on fire, need a complete penetrating direct hit, do some unrepairable damage

during airraids, crews would abandon the tank, sure, some get hit, but overall, it just meant a haul to the repairyard and it would be back in action in a few days,

>>3032047

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Billotte

>On 16 May, while under heavy fire from German tanks, Billotte and his B1 Bis managed to break through the German defences and to destroy two German PzKpfw IV tanks, eleven PzKpfw III tanks and two enemy guns. Billotte's Char B1-Bis tank received 140 hits from enemy tanks and guns, but none were able to penetrate the tank's heavy armour.

>>3032115
The best tank they had in France in large numbers was Czech anyway, Pz I and II were shit when they were built

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>>3031584
Didn't the german like them enough to convert a bunch of them into SPG and tank destroyers?

>>3031932
should have defended your country better in the first place Pierre

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>>3032361
They were still using Hotchkiss H35 conversions with rockets strapped onto them in 45, they loved them

>>3031584


What the fuck are you talking about? The Char's literally held up columns of German tanks.

>>3032037
>what the fuck were they thinking?
"we haven't been able to reverse engineer and mass produce the much superior Czech tanks yet, so lets hope that our doctrine alone is enough to beat the French"

and it was

>>3032366
CUTE!

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>>3032366
lol, this ww2 french tank continue to be in use till 1952.

>>3031584
in terms of armor and firepower they were strictly superior to anything the Germans had at the time.
But they all suffered from the French fetish for tiny crews and an outdated tank doctrine.

>>3031584
How about the british's tank, weren't they are useless too?

>>3032366
I love using these cute fuckers in company of heroes.

>>3032468
matildas were pretty nasty, crusaders were ok
valentines were garbage

>>3032603
What about churchill tank?

>>3032642
not present in france 1940

as germans developed their firepower and widespread use of higher caliber anti tank and anti aircrafted on AT duty, it was a slow infantrytank not very well fitted for mobile warfare

>>3032206
>both money and manpower.
France had plenty of money

>>3032657
And they throw it at maginot line.

>>3032657
>france
>plenty of money

I suppose that's why they constantly cut the defence budget and harmstrung the military.

>>3032657
Then,I don't know why the french elected a socialist party?
Any book about france during the great depression.

>>3031584
somebody just had a bad game on World of Tanks....

>>3032207
New to the thread, but most often air support against armored forces would be targeting the support infrastructure; the repair yards and the fuel dumps and the like, rather than shooting at tanks themselves.

>>3031584
t. World of Tanks player

>>3032037
How was B1 from ww1? It had the best armour of any allied and axis tank until soviets produced kv-1. It had a decent gun and the only real problems were its small turret, lack of radio and poor reliability.

>>3032787
France didn't even spend all of its military budget for most the interwar years
They had more than enough money to modernise their army

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>>3032414
Ya, Israel used them in their first war. Some of them still had nazi symbols on them too.

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>>3034429

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>>3034434

>>3031584
actually the Renault FT was a great light tank
american troops also used it

>>3034574
He said WW2 not WW1, dumbass