Why is there so much obsession of the Byzantines on /his/? Why

>>3027677
What does the symbol on the eagle's chest mean?

>>3027686
"By Me, you will conquer."

>>3027677
>did nothing but just hang on to its lands until it died.

It shrank and waned over a thousand years despite overwhelming odds. I can't think of another empire that came close to being eradicated on so any occasions before coming back from the brink.

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Because Byzantine Greece would be an epic country if it existed.

Greece wouldn't be so in debt either. And no fucking Muslims

Because the fall of Contantinople had worse effect on Europe then both world wars combined.

>>3027698
China

>>3027715
>literally kick started the renaissance
>literally is the reason for finding and settling in the new world
These were some of the greatest things that happened in European history along with the rest of colonialism and industrialization.

>>3027691
?

How does it mean that?

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>>3027677
Same way why so many people are obsessed with neo-tsarist Russia under Putin.

Aura of continuation of Roman Empire. You get the feeling of the continuation od the prestige, power and legacy.

>>3027722
Renaissance part is a meme, but with the Age of Exploration, I find it funny how Venice indirectly screwed itself over when Europe figured out it could just bypass the Silk Road altogether.

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>>3027730
>>3027686
It's the Palaiologos family sipher, or sympilema. Basically the Greek version of pic related.

>>3027722
>industrialisation
>then end of the dominance of the gentry and aristocracy is a good thing

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>>3027677
>belittles Germanic achievements of the HRE
>says orthodox is the true faith
>says Tsarist Russia was the successor to Rome
>says Finland was the successor to Russia
>Greek fire
>romans but not autistic Greek haters
>siege of Constantinople shows the west uniting against the Saracen hordes so gets pic related autists all happy
>says fuck the pope
Many layers of meaning

>>3027793
>Greek fire
never understood the obsession with this meme

What's the relation between the Palaiologos dynasty, and the Rurikid dynasty?

>>3027861
This isn't a Byzantine thread

>>3027813
>1200 years ago
>basically napalm, a modern weapon
Romans with rifles would've been fucking cool, too.

>>3027677
Because it's edgy in the US since they never teach you about them in school and they generally avoid talking about them in any western civilization courses. To talk about the Byzantines is to admit that Christianity wasn't the downfall of the Roman Empire, and that pisses off fedoras and triggers muzzies who hated the Byzantines.

>>3027945
This

>>3027905
It is now, faggit

>>3027703
Byzantium had debts, as well as mosques and Muslims.

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>>3027861
They were married into one another therefore russians used that to claim the title of rome

>>3027789
Yes, and?

>>3027686
loss

>>3027945
Not just the US.

I didn't know about it until well into adulthood.

>>3027793
Go back to /pol/

>>3027703
Independent modern Greece has defaulted on its debts fucking five times and was kicked out lf the Latin league due to its instability and financial incompetence. Kicked OUT of the Latin league, let that settle.

>>3028056
kek

>>3027990
>so in depth
he meant not like Greece is in now. But I agree that Byzantium is largely in debt before as it was at a constant state of war due to threats on its borders.

>>3027945
>in the US
Protip: most Byzaboos on /his/ are not American

>>3027939
wasn't it just a myth?

>>3027945
>triggers muzzies
Muslims don't hate the Byzantines, Muslims take pride that they destroyed them, it's Byzaboos that have intense hatred of Muslims actually.

What does not teaching people about the Byzantines have to do with being obsessed with it?

>>3027945
>To talk about the Byzantines is to admit that Christianity wasn't the downfall of the Roman Empire,
How? Byzantium did nothing but decay and suffer constant internal strife until the Ottomemes finally swallowed them whole and a proud Orthodox Christian started the proud Orthodox Christian tradition of crowning a Muslim lord and defender of Christendom.

If anything Byzantium is more of an example of Christianity causing an Empire's downfall than the Western Roman Empire.

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>>3027703
THIS

>>3028587
Is this supposed to show Istanbul > Athens? Because cities always look better at sunset.

>>3028587
Both look like Mediterranean shitholes, your point? And while we're at it, is Italy the only Med country that looks like it wasn't completely built by subhumans?

>>3028587
As far as Greece goes, Athens is a shit city. Salonica and Heraclion are much prettier.

>>3027677
Don't know. In mine country only Orthodox Church highly masturbate on Byzantines empire.

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Stop being Byzaboo

>>3028818
Even at night time unless you make the acropolis the main focus and taking up most the picture, Athens will look like shit.

American education
I'm not even joking
most Americans, and indeed many Europeans, don't know about the Eastern Roman Empire
they think Rome is dead and gone by the middle-ages, then they learn about the fact that the Eastern Empire continued for ~1000 years

this is why /his/ obsesses with HRE and ERE
they are dumb Americans

>>3028856
Stop being a cockroach.

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>>3028985
sniff sniff
i smell butthurt

>>3028968
For the last time, see: >>3028366
Most Byzaboos are quite logically Orthodox, so Greek, Serbian or Russian. You can see that on any board that has flags. Americans are the WRE/HRE faggots, almost by rule.

>>3028994
hm, I don't really frequent boards with flags outside /pol/ and even historical threads there rarely go into ERE or HRE
so I can't really verify

>>3028994
Didn't the Serbs fight the Byzantines? Why would they be fans of them?

>>3029014
Have you ever seen the Serbian coat of arms?

>>3029023
No but that still doesn't really answer my question.

>>3029025
And your question is what exactly, that you aren't allowed to like someone if you waged a war against him in the past?

>>3029037
But I just don't exactly get it, weren't they enemies?

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>>3029025
>No
It's Byzantine double headed eagle + Palaiologos cross. Very Byzantine.

>>3029040
At one point. Alliances change all the time, brainlet.

>>3029049
When did they become friends?

>>3029054
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece%E2%80%93Serbia_relations#Middle_Ages

>>3027677
Vestige of Rome

better question is why are we so obsessed with Rome?

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>>3027677
It's mostly White people that have no connection whatsoever to the region or the people not being able to cope with us being their true successors. All while their own societies are turning into brown shit and projecting that anger towards us.

Because they know that we, the sons of Oghuz Roma Invicta can take it, while not giving a rats ass about their cucked asses.

>>3028425
>Muslims take pride that they destroyed them
>Arabs only took over Egypt and the Levant after the devastating thirty year war with the Sassanids and they still couldn't get through Anatolia
>Turks only managed to conquer Constantinople because the empire was already weakened by the crusaders

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>>3028993
Butthurt you say?

Because when the rest of Europe was still burning folk for the lolz Byzantium had a thriving culture and science, and a church that didn't run the country

>>3027677
Yeah that's the reason. They survived shit that should've toppled them 1000 years before they actually fell

>>3029901
Yeah everyone here's talking shit about the Byzantines as if they weren't the centre for the majority cultural, scientific and economic developments during pretty much their whole existence. They also had the best living standards during the whole time period which is a metric we use to compare contemporary civilizations frequently but for some reason is left out completely here.

There's no such thing as a Byzanboo, the people who seem to like Byzantium are in fact just Greekboos that jerk off over any Greek empire
t. Greekboo

>>3028421
No, it was used to great effect in several naval battles. The Byzantines kept the formula secret so we just don't know how to make it.

>>3030261
Isn't napalm the exact same thing

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>>3028056
4U

>>3030301
They do pretty much the same thing, yes. But the point is they figured out how to produce it and built a device that pressurized and sprayed it over a long enough distance to hit enemy ships.

>>3030365
Okay thanks

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>>3028075
muh pol strawman
fuck you! i'm here to stay

>>3028993
>>3029894
B T F O

>>3027677
>continuation of rome
>also greek
>constantinople
>strong christian empire
>fuck the pope
>held off the muslim hordes for hundreds of years
whats not like

>>3031187
*not to like

>>3027677
It's the pleb's natural reaction to the notion that Greeks didn't actually disappear one day like they teach in school.

>>3030261
>The Byzantines kept the formula secret so we just don't know how to make it.
Just like how atlantis is a """"real"""" city.

>>3027990
They did have debts, but muslims and mosques?

>>3027717

Kys

>>3028459

You're an idiot.

>>3027677
The real answer is this board was flooded by EU4 fags who tend to be byzaboos
Paradox games were a mistake
Byzantium was shit and not roman at all
Paracucks get out

>>3032663
>>3032660
very good case you present you dumbass, you didn't refute any of his points.

>>3027677
Childhood is idolyzing the Byzantine Empire. Adulthood is realizing Ottomans made more sense.

>>3028587
Athens looks like a fucking Slum

i love how byzzieboos claimed that they were some sort of hardcore defender of christianity when it was thanks to these retards faults that christianity lost the entire north africa, egypt and the middle east forever. they were so shit that the local christian population would rather be ruled by muslims rather than them

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>>3028856

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>>3032795
>wh*Te byzantine subhuman

>>3032769
how is that any different to the Catholics oppressing the Orthodox when the crusaders occupied Greeks. Different denominations of the same religion NEVER mix together

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>>3028993
>>3029894

>>3032769
>p*pists
>Christian
Lmfao

>>3027677
you mean the romans

and it's beacuse the lasted nearly 2000 years as a continous polity with only short periodss of balkanisation

any other state to exist in such form is either an irrelevant shithole or doesn't go beyond 1000 years.

>>3027793
"H"
"R"
"E"

>>3032710
>>3027717

China is sort of different considering the idea of collapse and reunification was short of ingrained in the ethos. "The empire, long divided, must unite; long united, must divide. Thus it has ever been"

It'd be like if everyone agreed that the Ottomans would become Romans and have some legitimacy as Roman emperor if they managed to reunite it. And everyone also agreed there was some driving force for the reunification of the empire.

>>3033143
So? The roman empire did a lot of shit, the Byzantines just sat there till death.

>>3033161
The difference is also that the Han outnumbered their conquerors 10,000:1 at any given time.

The Ottomans being the legitimate successors to Rome thing comes from the fact that the Ottoman Caliph was declared Emperor of Rome and lord of Christendom by the Patriarch of Constantinople which is the criteria for determining "Who is the Emperor of Rome" used by Byzaboos. If we're going by "Why was the Qing dynasty a legitimate successor to the Ming dynasty", it would have to have gone like this:

>The entirety of Anatolia, the Middle-East, Greece, and the Balkans are ethnically Greek
>In fact, there are half a billion Greeks in this area and ethnic minorities are less than five percent of the population total
>A Turkish minority enters and conquers Byzantium
>Said Turks then drop all of their Turkish customs, culture, and language, drop Tengrism/Islam for Orthodox Christianity, and declare themselves to be ethnically Greek several years prior to actually being ethnically Greek
>By the time the Ottoman Empire collapses there isn't an ounce of Turkish blood in anyone who holds a position of power and the Turkish language is almost extinct

>>3033460
>The Ottomans being the legitimate successors to Rome thing comes from the fact that the Ottoman Caliph was declared Emperor of Rome and lord of Christendom by the Patriarch of Constantinople which is the criteria for determining "Who is the Emperor of Rome" used by Byzaboos.
Stop this fucking meme, the patriarch has no right to say who is Roman who isn't. He's just a religious figurehead, nothing more. Not to mention that Mehmed would've just installed another patriarch if the current one denied it.

the byzantine empire is one of the most overrated "empire" ever, their entire history is basically them getting their shit pushed in by their neighbour like the arabs, bulgars, latin and the turks and slowly dying a pathetic death just because nobody bothered to finish them off. I think only delusional le deus volt xd eu4 kids like them desu

>>3028587
ive been to both Istanbul and Athens beyond the nicely kept tourist traps(ie the Parthenon and the Hagia Sophia +Ottomon Mosques) both cities are 3rd world shitholes

>>3034006
You didn't even like Plaka?

>>3027677
Typical fanboys who'd usually sperg about the Roman Empire but who choose the Byzantines because it's better for shitting at Muslims through.

>>3034016
>asspulls

>>3034015
>You didn't even like Plaka?
didnt get to go, i was on one of them shitty cruise excursions where they rush you through everything. for some fucking reason we docked 1 hour outside Athens and the cabs charged a small fortune so i had no choice

>>3027793
>Siege of Constantinople
>uniting
Lmao it was an utter symbol of disunity. No one bothered to provide aid except a small genoan contingent i think.

>>3033739
The empire you like is also shit tier desu

>>3027677
eh I happen to be a general fan of fairly obscure(by pop history standards) dead polities and cultural groups and posting about the Byzantines tends to trigger people for some odd reason. Thats why I prefer to bring them up over shit like the Tocharians, Romano-British or Greco-Bactrians

>>3027677
I got into it because when I was in grade school I was playing Civ III and did random Civ. I got the Byzantines and it was unironically one of the first games where I wasn't dogshit. Plus I thought Theodora was hot so I stuck with them. Eventually I started digging into the books about them some more and found them interesting.

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>>3027677
I like their arts and culture
I have been to Ravena recently and it was really cool, very few tourists too so that's a plus compared to the likes of Florence

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>>3027677
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn3MKPyBe8Y

I'm a Serbaboo instead.

History buffs love the Romans
History buffs love the ancient Greeks

History buffs cum when Romans morph into medieval Greeks.

The west was always envious and suspicious of 'the empire of the Greeks', which is quite evident from the fact byzantine is a less-than-positive descriptive word. But if you dig into the history of Byzantium, you will find not a old dead empire that did nothing but just hang on to its lands, you will find an empire rich with cultural arts, roman law and administration and political intrigue that could teach Game of Thrones a thing or two.

>>3033427
Objectively false.

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>>3027677
>E
>R
>E

>>3035322
>says it's false without being able to refute the point
nice job.

>>3035985
Your comment is too dumb to deserve a proper response, since you're either trolling or too retarded to reason with. This is the history board, ffs.

>>3036114
It wasn't my post you had replied to, I'm an observer and you should back up what you say especially on this history board.

>>3035660
>filename
toppest of keks

>>3035660
this

>>3034060
iirc it was about 500 Genoan mercenaries helping defend the walls, who then routed when their commander was seen dragged away due to an injury

>>3032702
>The real answer is this board was flooded by EU4 fags who tend to be byzaboos
this
>Paradox games were a mistake
this
>Byzantium was shit and not roman at all
not this
>Paracucks get out
As much as I'd love to see the Prussiaboos leave, no byzziboos would mean rampant, unrestrained turkposting, which is unacceptable

>>3037512
>>As much as I'd love to see the Prussiaboos leave, no byzziboos would mean rampant, unrestrained turkposting, which is unacceptable
you realise the Turkposting is reactionary right?

>>3037519
genie's out of the bottle. they wouldn't stop

>>3037519
>we were only pretending to be retarded
Poe Law, fag. You know very well how autistic Turks get about history.

>>3037522
>>3037525

I'm sure they would. If you treat someone like shit and don't respect them they're obviously just going to be shit talking the whole time because what's the point?

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>>3037527
>respecting Turks on 4chan

>>3037527
>respect Turks
Wow

>>3032769
Literally had nothing to do with Byzantium's rulling of those territories, it was the constant wars between Byzantium and Persia (Which Persia started almost all the time) that left these territories ravished and desolated. By the time the Muslims came the people were just sick of it and wanted some peace.

>>3037536
>>3037540
Before people were fine with Turks so they didn't shitpost so much, don't know if you guys were around back in the days.

>>3037583
Turks were literally always hated. Even back on /sp/ in 2010 the most hated poster was a Turk.

>>3037583
>Before people were fine with Turks
a few years ago people were still shitposting about Turks being roaches on /int/, it only managed to get bigger because Turks have constanty proven that they are no different from other muslim countries

>>3037585
That doesn't mean all Turks were hated cause of one guy being a fuckwit.

>>3037591
Turks being roaches thing happened in 2014 after an anon spammed it all the time non stop and also had it as his name because he was namefagging.

>>3037605
Turks were hated literally everywhere, /sp/, /int/, KC, obviously /pol/ and /k/. Stop making shit up.

>>3037631
I'm not making shit up, I've been here a very long time. People didn't really care about Turks. The only people who hated them were people who were under the ottomans at one time.

>>3037656
The "niggers are better than Turks" pasta from /k/ is almost a decade old.

>>3037664
I have never used /k/ I don't know what pasta you're talking about.

>>3037666
So what have you used? Because /his/ is less than two years old.

>>3037666
Go back to r.ddit, newfag

>>3037671
/int/ is my main board really

>>3037688
>thinks /int/ didn't shit on Turks
Oh boy.

>>3037527
>turks
>deserving anything but pesticide

>>3037536
>>3037540
>>3037704
lel why the turk hate

>>3037688
>/int/ is my main board
>people didn't shit on turks he says

Either retarded or just lying

>>3037708
>>3037702

It's only in the last few years since there's been a huge rise of Turk hate, before it was the same banter as anyone else got.

>>3037707
Absolute garbage online presence.
Example: this whole thread.

>>3037730
what do you even want me to see here?

>>3037750
Got my T*rk shitposting threads mixed up.
See here >>3036028

>>3037760
what pissed you off here?

>>3037774
Did you even read it?
>Ottofail larper claims the Roman title
>immediately gets called out and mocked
>'y-your just butthurt'
Pretty much constant garbage nonsensical posts, basically the equivalent of the daily 'why is Africa so shit' threads.
Not to mention the constant thread derailing (like this one right now), unironic WEWUZzing, unwarranted self importance, aggressive stupidity. Just all round really aggravating aggravating behavior.

>>3037795
desu I read the thread I don't see anything wrong except one guy getting butthurt and moving the goalpost constantly to try to disprove op's point and failing

>unwarranted self importance
what do you mean?

>>3027813
>meme
>manuscripts, illustrations, Byzantine, western and Arabic accounts as well as archeological findings confirm the existence of medieval flamethrowers
>>3031295
Read a book, ever.

>>3037863
>hey guys i can do a backflip
>then do it
>sorry i forgot how to
>i believe you bro

>>3037542
>Literally had nothing to do with Byzantium's rulling of those territories
You really think the constant religious fuckery didn't play a part in the willing acceptance of muslim rule?

Muslims treated every variet of christian and kike the same.

The Romans didn't, and god fucking help you if an emperor arbitrarily decided that YOUR christian sect was shit, or you were jewish and the empire got a hair across its ass about kikes.

Your life would go to shit in an instant, just for you to be randomly be treated normally again years later when someone ELSE got the boot, until they came back to fuck with you.
The inability of the empire to keep them from being conquered and ravaged was just the icing on the cake.

>>3028850

Kek

>Byzantium never falls
>instead it gets the same fate as the Russian empire and turns into a commie shithole after all the glorious best ideology """"""reforms"""""
>most of it's past gets destroyed in a cultural revolution
How would you react to this timeline?

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>>3029823
Our glorious şehzade returns!? We've missed you for so long..

People don't realise the Greeks stopped being cool after ancient times.

>>3038405
>being this retarded

>>3040471
Same way I react to the destruction of Russian culture: depression.

>>3033739
>>3033427

This

>>3037807
>disprove op's point
His point was objectively untrue, though.
No one except for actual retards and turk nationalists think the Ottomans are the successor of Rome.
>>unwarranted self importance
The belief that Europe cares at all about Turkey. The belief that the Ottos were relevant at all post-Vienna.

>>3041358
hes right