>war is bad. Join me! >civil war >polish-bolshevik war

>>3011263
Nothing wrong with defending against reactionaries

Those were defensive wars

>>3011282
1st WW also was defensive.
also
>literally invading poland is defensive

>>3011282
Defensive wars for world domination lmao

>>3011288
Except literally no serious historian would claim the Soviets attacked Poland first. Why would you attack another country while you're in the middle of a civil war?

>>3011302
The same reason you'd be a Marxist, retardation

>idealist rhetoricians having to rule like actual politicians after coming to power

Gee, it's like talking and doing are two different things.

>>3011291
/pol/ NEET detected

>>3011310
communist NEET projection detection

>>3011310
Nice ad hominem. Not everyone who opposes your opinions is from /pol/:

>>3011307
How does it feel to be the enemy of 90% of the world's population? How does it feel to deserve execution?

>>3011322
are you literally arguing in favor of marxism

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>>3011263
>Self-proclaimed anti-imperialist USSR invades pretty much everyone around them
hmmm

>>3011322
>je doesn't realise that he is being enemy of 90% of population by being a commie

>>3011322
I didn't know 90% of the world population was marxist.

>>3011322
90% of workers want to keep what they make, not put it in a big pile for everyone else.

Marxism is for NEETs and McDonalds employees

>>3011318
Only reason why someone would be anti-communist is
1) Autism
2) Low IQ
3) Absent or abusive father figure
4) NEET/No GF/Failing at life causes resentment towards leftists, who are on average more attractive, more well-read, more appealing to girls and women

>>3011363
No evidence, no substance. Can be refuted without evidence or substance. You're wrong.

>>3011363
Maybe I'm not fond of commieblocks and beet rations with the constant threat of being disappeared.

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>>3011363
Literal KEK.

>>3011363
>most of the world population are NEETs and autists
Sorry to break it to you faggot but anti-communism is the social mainstream. You are the fringe.

>>3011363
If communism was so great for workers how can you explain that it was destroyed by workers?

>>3011368
I've never met a single anti-communist in my life who was even a decent person. All of them were physically hideous, either acne-ridden or obese. They were all stupid, uneducated, hilariously uninformed about even basic history, science, and philosophy. All had some serious personal issues that in some way contributed to a worldview reflexively supportive of existing socio-economic heirarchies. Personality-wise, they were even worse - arrogant, autistic, selfish, cruel, with no sense of humor.

Anti-communists = subhuman inferior genetic garbage. You're literally preventing the human race from advancing. You're helping to keep in motion machinery which rapes, pillages, and destroys countless nations. You're helping to keep the workers in your own country confused and exploited. Your existence is nothing but a burden for the human species.

Sorry, but you have to get out (of this iteration of existence). Please kys so the Communists (humans) don't have to waste our energy to do it for you.

>>3011420
i know you are trolling but it saddens me that people actually believe this

>>3011420
But really tell me. Why workers rebelled against government for workers? You sound like you didn't ever lived under communists. Are you from west? Most commies today are middle class bourgouese

Do commies count civil wars, revolution, and insurrections as wars?

Marxist say that wars are caused purely by elites but if a uprising or gang war cause as much destruction as any mainstream war does it still make it better?

>>3011376
Have you heard of a country called China? I know anti-communists are subhuman and literally retarded, but it's the largest nation on earth - and it's run by a Communist party.

Huge sections of India, particularly Chhatisgarh, Bengal, Kerala, Tamil Nadu and others are overwhelmingly Communist. Not that you, an anti-communist subhuman who hasn't opened up a book since high school, would know anything about those regions of India.

Most Latin American peasants are also communist, hating landlords, corporations, and Yankee imperialists. Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia. Huge communist populations in Peru, Colombia, Central America. If it wasn't for CIA terrorism most of Latin America would be hardcore communist.

Most of Eastern Europe is also communist. Majorities in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, former Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, Georgia, even former GDR regret the collapse of communism and feel they lived better before capitalism. Anyone who isn't aware of this has never talked to an Eastern/Central European about politics.

Didn't even mention the tens of millions of communists in Africa, SE Asia, Central Asia, and the Middle East (Assad's father was friends with Kim Il Sung and Castro)

>>3011467
>china
>communnism

i think we got a new copy pasta boys

>>3011445
The only place where this happened was Poland. Poles are notorious cretins, genetically predisposed to ultra-low IQ. It's the same reason "Polack jokes" have existed in America for over a century.

>>3011473
>no true communist argument

you wouldn't accept it when communists make that argue, so I not going to bother accepting it either

>>3011484
Dude. China is openly capitalist and against teachings of marx. USSR was following them

>>3011490
>run by communist party
>not communist

>>3011495
Nazi Germany was socialist then, according to your logic. Let's see how you explain that one.

>>3011263
Imperialist war =/= spreading the revolution

>>3011507
same amount of dead bodies

>>3011490
Most heavy and strategic industry in China is state-owned. Despite adopting many market reforms, the ruling ideology in China is still Communism. They still regard Mao as a hero and still claim to work towards the long-term goal of a Communist society.

>>3011500
>economy controlled by the state
>not socialist

they weren't communist though

>>3011508
Yes but Lenin viewed it as for a better and less pointless cause so it doesn't go against his beliefs.
>>3011512
Not what Socialist means. Also Nazi Germany's economy wasn't controlled by the state.

>>3011512
Except in reality, the state was controlled by the economy. Hitler just did whatever the big German industrialists told him to do, even if that meant throwing away millions of German lives for a slight increase in profit margin

>>3011518
Everyone views their wars as "better and not hopeless"

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>>3011263
I always have the conspiracy theory that there isn't an image of lenin, just pics of Micheal Ironsides with a beard.

Communism's biggest problem is its dehumanization.

You can chalk it up to atheism, but I think it's deeper than that. When a human is no more than a worker, what's to stop you from sacrificing it for the good of the party?

>>3011534
name an economic ideology that doesn't dehumanize

>>3011534
>this is what anti-communists actually believe

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>>3011263
WW1 was stupid. Lenin only made the mistake of killing Aleksei and his sisters.

>>3011476
Don't you believe in equality, anon?

>>3011552
capitalism evolved naturally through ages. It doesn't dehumanize as much as it reflects human nature.

Marxism was made up by some random NEET from Germany. It only shows how a higher class imagines the life and needs of the working class; and the workers are often nothing but tools for them - hence, the dehumanizing part of communism.

>>3011363
NEET/No GF/Failing at life are exact reasons for joining some "radical" ideology, especially if it's that safe as being commie at the modern West.

>>3011467
Shit nigga you don't know shit. Educate yourself lmao

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>>3011633
The reason why communists become communists is because they're tired of exploitation and imperialism. Because I'm a moral person, I feel bad when I see a worker brutally exploited, or a small country invaded and bombed to smithereens by an imperialist aggressor.

What reason do right-wingers have for becoming right-wingers? Clearly they don't give a shit about workers being exploited, or about independent countries being pillaged and destroyed. It's always some kind of personal vendetta. Maybe a negroid raped you in the ass during High School gym class or stole your lunch money. Maybe a jew scammed you in Middle School or beat you at the spelling bee. Maybe a sexy communists stole the girl you had a crush on but never had the balls to talk to (that was me by the way). Whatever it is, it's always something petty, autistic, and pathetic.

>any ideology based on social revolution
>>>/trash/

>>3011288
Technically was defensive. On both sides. The border clusterfuck of the dissolution of the empire meant everyone was technically on someone elses clay, so pretext was easy to find for a roman defense.

>>3011695
(cont)

Communists become communists because they want to help people's lives become better, because they want to see the world become a better place, because fundamentaly they are moral, empathetic people.

Right-wingers become right-wingers because they want to "get back" at whatever group allegedly wronged them. They don't care about people suffering, they don't care about the state of the world or humanity in general, they just care about seeking personal emotional gratification. No different from a dog or a pig that thinks only of eating, shitting, and fucking over the dog or pig below them in the pre-ordained social heirarchy they live in.

If all right-wingers died right now, the world would be a better place. Selfish, self-absorbed subhumans are a burden on the species.

>>3011363
>leftists, who are on average more attractive, more well-read, more appealing to girls and women

This has to be a troll because that is blatantly not true.

>>3011263
>Soviet union started Polish-Soviet war by invading Ukraine from West with Polish army

>>3011695
>>3011720
Yeah, the USSR sure helped a lot of people

>>3011732
Whatever you Say bubba

>>3011720
Grow up dude

>>3011695
Oh boy, it's just hip and cool, what exploitation are you tired of? Che Guevara tee for $19.99 and latest iPhone using which you're defending globalist narrative set by establishment. Moral person, lmao

>>3011720
> subhumans
But that's clearly Nazi terminology. How will you explain that?

>>3011271
by defending against reactionaries, you create reactionaries against the reactionaries forever

>>3011767
Yeah, it did. Thanks to Communism, over 100 million people became literate, got access to healthcare, culture, and education. Never would've happened in a capitalist Russia (what profit motive would there be in educating penniless peasants?)

Under Mao, China's life expectancy doubled - from 32 to 65. Literacy went from 17% during Chiang to over 80% under late Mao.

Meanwhile, in the biggest capitalist state in the world today (India) in 2017, 75% of children are severely malnourished. 80% of the population is de facto enslaved, with no possibility of social mobility. Most of the country still lacks electricity, schools, and hospitals/clinics.

Africa is another example. Despite being ruled for over a century by "enlightened" White capitalist overlords, 90% of the population lives on the brink of starvation, with no access to education, healthcare, or electricity. In comparison, former colonies of Russia like Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, etc, under Communism saw levels of development equal to those in Eastern Europe.

Mao is loved in China to this day. Stalin just won the contest for "most popular Russian" yesterday, and he wasn't even Russian.

Meanwhile, most of the world's population hates capitalism to the core, because it brings them nothing but misery, war, and exploitation.

>>3011790
How about you travel outside the country you lazy stupid faggot? You realize there's a whole world outside of America's borders, right? Unlike you, I've traveled extensively across many countries and have seen more than you probably ever will in your worthless existence.

>>3011923
This has nothing to do with communism and everything to do with a strong government willing to break eggs to make an omelet.

>>3011923
>Africa is another example. Despite being ruled for over a century by "enlightened" White capitalist overlords, 90% of the population lives on the brink of starvation

You dont know what the fuck youre talking about, i regret replying to you.

>>3011954
There are plenty of "strong governments" that are "willing to break eggs to make an omelete" but only communist governments bring about dramatic improvements in the lives of regular citizens.

I can name endless amounts of authoritarian capitalist "strongmen" (Suharto, Chiang-Kai Shek, the South American Juntas, etc) who did nothing but enrich themselves and their cronies while taking a nice big shit on their own people.

>>3011794
Nazis were correct in that some groups should be physically eliminated. They were just wrong about the group. The group includes Nazis, as well as all other anti-communists.

>>3011815
So let's fight the reactionaries!

>>3011960
You're right, the real number is 47%, not 90%.

"Only" 501 million people in Africa are living in absolute poverty, on the brink of starvation. Awesome! Wtf I love capitalism now.

>>3011987

>As opposed to communism where the government takes all the food and everybody starves

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>>3011263
Daily reminder that any time a large centrally planned state fails and starts murdering citizens, it's okay because it wasn't real communism

>>3011987
you wouldn't have a problem with it if it was non-whites doing the oppressing :)

>>3012026
>Ignores non-communist centrally planned states that murder their citizens
>Thinks all communism is centrally planned and statist

>>3011923
>Soviet healthcare
You're killing me m8.

>>3012037
But I'm not. I don't give a shit when people are murdered under capitalism but communists obviously do because they unironically try to defend their shit ideology by shifting the goalposts

>>3012037

>Thinks all communism is centrally planned and statist

That's pretty much the definition of communism so you.

>>3011923
>being an American
>I TRAVELED OUTSIDE OF MY COUNTRY SO I'M THE EXPERT ON COMMUNISM NOW
I recommend immidiate suicide you brainfucked western trash.

t. East European

Holy shit are there ACTUALLY unironic Commies on /his/?

Like, I know most are just pretending to be retarded and baiting. But nobody here actually believes in communism.. right?

I thought people on /his/ were somewhat literate when it comes to economics and history.

>>3011996
Then why are there people living in russia, dprk, cuba, syria, and china right now? How can a nation survive literally 80 years of uninterrupted starvation? How does it feel being too stupid to deserve life?

>>3012026
Daily reminder that anti-communists are historical illiterates who get their "redpills" about history and politics from reading wikipedia for 5 minutes and watching a deformed man talk to himself on youtube

>>3011263
>commies
>making sense
pick one and only one

>>3012056
China isn't communist. They've privatized a whole lot. Wanna know something funny? The most developed areas of China have the highest degree of privatization. The areas with the most state control are poorer. After Mao China's leaders pretty much realized that communism was retarded but decided to keep the name and symbols

>>3012056

>Then why are there people living in russia, dprk, cuba, syria, and china right now?

Because most of those countries backed off on the communism at least a little in order to preserve their own existence. Modern China isn't Maoist. Sure, the Chinese government might still praise him because he was their equivalent of a founding father, but privately they understand that his policies caused the starvation of 55+ million people.

>>3012056
Most Marxists I've met have never taken a single economics class in their lives and often have shitty barely passing uni grades

>>3012056
>saying China is communist while calling others uneducated
Either you don't know much about China, or you don't know much about communism, but likely both.

>>3012076
Believe me, a lot of idiots in college believe this. I had a Global studies TA tell me that China was communist, I told her that China hasn't been communist for decades and that North Korea has a class system that fucks people for three generations based on their past actions and she simply said "Well, I don't know about that"
I'm assuming this guy is a sociology major since they tend to be the dumbest.

>>3012083
In my experience the teaching/pedagogy major tend to be the dumbest faggots around. And it's kind of sad that future generations will literally be educated by the biggest retards.

>>3012049
Eat dick retarded Polack shitstain

81% of Serbians say life was better during communism:

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/for-simon-poll-serbians-unsure-who-runs-their-country

63% of Romanians say they lived better during communism:

http://www.balkanalysis.com/romania/2011/12/27/in-romania-opinion-polls-show-nostalgia-for-communism/

73% of Hungarisn prefer communism to capitalism:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2010/04/28/hungary-better-off-under-communism/

Overwhelming majorities in all former Soviet states except Turkmenistan say they lived better during communism:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx

Reminder that most of Eastern and Central Europe hates your country and blames your "Solidarnost" bullshit for the rape and pillage of their nations after 1989.

>>3012125

Opinion polls don't actually mean anything because the results are skewed by nostalgia.

>>3012125
Get your hate speech off this board, anon. Stop being a bigot and take that shit to /pol/
National Socialism seems to be more up your alley

>>3012071
What about North Korea? They never adopted any revisionist market "reforms". How are there people still alive in North Korea after being "starved" for over 60 years straight? You realize a person can't survive without food for more than a couple of weeks, right?

>>3012125
>Gallup poll
>Younger folk say communism benefited more
>Older folk say it fucked everything up
Oh, gee, I wonder who to trust, the youth who only experienced the near end of communism or the old folk who basically lived their whole life under it?

>>3011467
stopped reading after the first line

work on your baiting skills

>>3012142

>How are there people still alive in North Korea after being "starved" for over 60 years straight?

Because other countries have taken pity on North Korea and given them food for humanitarian reasons.

>>3012135
Yeah. I mean, 8 in 10 Pinoys trust Duterte.
>>3012142
They're living off of significantly less than Americans. It's just enough to survive, but they are not nourished well. Also old people get get less rations in general. Why do you think North Koreans are midgets in comparison to their South Korean counterparts? South Koreans are better nourished.

>>3012125
>81% of Serbians say life was better during communism:
Yugo-communism doesn't count.
>63% of Romanians say they lived better during communism:
>73% of Hungarisn prefer communism to capitalism:
That's because of boomers who claim that "hurr durr life used to be better in our times", even if it wasn't.
I'm sure that boomers think like this in every country.

>>3012135
>i refuse to accept facts that contradict the ideology i'm emotionally invested in, because ignoring them is more emotionally palatable than rebuilding from the ground up my entire now discredited worldview

>i know more about life in communist eastern europe than people who've lived most of their entire lives in communist eastern europe

>>3012125
>Polack
Slovak actually. Literal nazis are more popular here than your fucking communists, end yourself.

>>3012154
Yeah. The 90s famine happened because their food imports went to shit and flooding happened. Also general governmental incompetence. The soviets died and the state was too weak to survive with out them propping them up.

Since then, the state has mostly been propped up the the read: Privatized Capitalist China.

But hey, a government for the people, by the people right?

>>3012167
That pretty much describes your entire chimpout in this thread. Mr. "CHINA IS A COMMUNIST COUNTRY BECAUSE THE NAME SAYS SO!!1"

>>3012167

South Koreans are, on average, much taller than North Koreans despite having the same genetics. How do you explain that? Communism is the ideology of manlets.

>>3012170
This
Those fucking burgers who think that they know everything about Eastern Europe because they found some meme-polls on reddit are cancerous as fuck.

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Communism is populist and populism is for retards

>>3012181
>LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE, GIVE THE WORKERS A VOICE!
>workers vote against communist party
>WORKERS ARE TOO STUPID AND SHOULDN'T BE TRUSTED, WHO CARES WHAT THEY THINK!
Commie mentality in a nutshell.

>>3012187
Stalin learned the hard way that the farmers were actually quite fond of Capitalism.

>>3012187

Never forget that the Bolsheviks lost in the only election they ever held, after which there were no more elections.

>>3012170
Even worse. How does it feel to know Hitler, Goebbels, and Himmler were the founding fathers of your nation?

>>3012175
China is capitalist relative to Stalin's Soviet Union. But it's communist relative to capitalist India. The state owns most of the important strategic industry - the state, not private individuals, decide which sectors of the economy to expand on a macro-scale. From their perspective, they are simply using Western capitalism for their own purposes. They are still committed long-term to the goal of a classless, stateless society.

>>3012154
So let me get this straight - the only food supply North Korea has comes from outside the country? Is that what you really believe?

>>3012165
once again
>i know more about life under communism than people who actually lived under communism

This kind of shameless arrogance is why most of the world's population hates you and wishes you were dead

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>>3012203
>How does it feel to know Hitler, Goebbels, and Himmler were the founding fathers of your nation?
It's just devastating m8

>>3012203

>They are still committed long-term to the goal of a classless, stateless society.

Lol. Can you read their minds or something?

>>3012125
>73% of Hungarians prefer communism to capitalism
During the last elections, the Hungarian commie party got 0.56% of the vote. But I'm sure your meme poll from some Amerijew agency holds more merit.

>>3012203
>The state owns most of the important strategic industry - the state, not private individuals
Do you know anything about China's top industries? It's billionaires everywhere. I might like to add they've done capitalism so well that they have the highest amount of female self made millionaires. Also do you know any Chinese people? They want upward mobility. They believe in hierarchy. They're some of the most conservative people you'll ever meet.They're far as fuck from anything that could be considered even close to marxism. Also, North Korea is the closest thing to Stalinism. Not China. Chinese people right now are like the Kulaks. They want nothing to do with Communism. And I should know. I live in Vancouver and have been to China multiple times.
>So let me get this straight - the only food supply North Korea has comes from outside the country? Is that what you really believe?
Yes. If you read on North Korea's famine in the 90's you'd know this is the case. North Korea is a mountainous country and her terrain isn't good for agriculture. Ever seen their propaganda videos? It's all about reforestation and planting trees. Want to know why? They're not environmentalists. It's Because they got hit by massive flooding that makes the land nearly impossible to farm. So food often comes from outside the country. Aid and Imports are their friend. Very little of North Korea's land is arable.

>>3011923
>>3011923
Shiiiet, homebrew murrican communazi going to tell me about traveling around the world. Boт блядь дeбил.

>>3012203
Don't worry, though. I'm sure all those billionaires will just suddenly redistribute all of their wealth one day! It's all part of the plan, you see. It's just 7643D chess to create reel communism!1

>>3011966
But using Nazi terminology and monkeying Nazi ideas makes you Nazi. Thus, you are the subhuman that has to be eliminated.

>>3012203
>i know more about life under communism than people who actually lived under communism
My father was so loving communism that he had to flee to Austria from this "paradise". But I guess some random burger on 4chan knows better than him and me, because he gave me some memepoll where hungaygrian and roma-nian boomers claimed that "hurr durr live was better under communism because i was young back then".

Objectively, life was worse during communism than after it, and everything proves my point. GDP is higher, economy is not complete shit, we can buy western (therefore better) products normally. The only reason why some people might miss communism is because they are lazy fuckers who just want to work like shit and live on minimal conditions just to survive.

Is it your paradise, burger? Well, I guess you would be happy with having pointless job (because at least you would be employed), gaining low wage just to buy some food (bu-but at least i would be employed, right?), and living in shitty two or one room apartment (bu-but at least i would not be homeless!). Is it really what you want, or maybe it's better to work harder and live on human conditions in capitalism?

>>3012203
>China
>landless peasants toiling like slaves for chump change in sweatshops owned by Nike and Apple so some American wigger could buy his new Lebron shoes
True communist dream, just like Marx wanted.

>>3011508
Arguably more.

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>>3012263
Jack Ma will become the real leader of the revolution. I can feel it. Him and his "anyone who's under 35 and isn't a billionaire should kill themselves" attitude. Can't wait for him to turn China into the "every man for himself" utopia that Marx wanted. The weak should fear the strong!
f o r t h e p e o p l e

>>3012257
Also don't forget that you would not be able to drink in your starbucks (because it's western and private-owned), and travel normally abroad (because you would be not only extremely poor, but also making a passport was very hard in eastern bloc... also because of that it would be hard to leave your country).

>>3012177
Damn, that's some crazy shit. It's almost like a 60-year blockade of your country by the most vicious imperialists on the planet would have a bad affect on your country. Who would've thunk, huh?

South Koreans may be taller than North Koreans, but they're also far more unhappy. South Korea has one of the highest rates of alcoholism, suicide, and depression in the world. Young South Koreans call their country a living hell, and try to get out as fast as humanly possible:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/young-south-koreans-call-their-country-hell-and-look-for-ways-out/2016/01/30/34737c06-b967-11e5-85cd-5ad59bc19432_story.html

According to this poll of 21,000 young South Koreans, 88% called their country "hell":

http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LSD&mid=shm&sid1=102&oid=437&aid=0000092087

Salt mine slavery using mainly kidnapped mentally disabled people is a fact of life in the islands of Southern ROK. Because there is no social safety net, elderly people commit suicide en masse because they don't want to be a burden on their children.

The situation got so bad in South Korea that they elected a far-left pro-North Korean as thei president in May. He spoke out in favor of better relations with NK, and supports limiting the power of SK's massive "chaebol" conglomerates.

If capitalism is so great, why did South Korea elect a far-left president? I bet you braindead retards don't even know there even was an election in South Korea at all this year.

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Me at the bottom.

>>3012303

>Young South Koreans call their country a living hell, and try to get out as fast as humanly possible

Lol. Young kids always think their country is the worst. It's part of being an edgy teenager, young restless, wanting to get out and see the world. They'll get over it as they mature.

>>3012303
They hate it because South Korea is a feminist shithole. They sure aren't emigrating to North Korea.

>>3012229
In every capitalist country, elections are rigged to support capitalist interests. You have to be insane to think Hungary's newly created capitalist class would just give up their wealth and power because of an election. They will do everything in their power to keep in control and to keep fucking over regular Hungarians for profit. No class in history has ever given up its privilege without a fight.

In Russia, when the communists were about to win in 1996, Yeltsin with the help of his Yankee "advisors" rigged the election. The same thing happened in Ukraine in 1999, when Kuchma and the newly created oligarchs rigged the election to prevent the communist Symonenko from taking power.

Capitalism is like an incurable illness - once you get it, it's over - there's no hope for your nation. It just slowly rots away in a swamp of poverty, hedonism, and soulless materialism.

>>3012303
Okay first off.
>blockade
Yeah, North Korea's leaders don't deserve a hard bargain after violating international laws and crossing the parallel. Doesn't help that they regularly kidnap people of Japanese, Korean and American descent for dumb reasons. Like that time Kim Jong Il kidnapped a South Korean filmmaker so he could make good propaganda films for him. Guess what he said to that film maker?
"It's all a lie. They're just pretending to praise me."
Secondly, South Korea is hell. It's a corporatist authoritarian shithole and no matter who wins it will always remain that. That's how it developed and that's how it will remain. It's the same with how in North Korea you get conscripted and work in the mines for much of your life. Or how women are regularly raped by the military over there. Or how people are raped in concentration camps, forced to bear children with the guards, and then have those children murdered in front of them. Literally Japanese tier tactics.

As for Moon, he's not far left. He's a centrist who is corporatist and hates gays. He's far as fuck from anything considered left. He's not even left enough to be close to Japan's democratic party. Why he won? The Saenuri had too many corruption scandals. Here's the deal. He hates North Korea now. After all that bullshit with Warmbier and North Korea being petulant as usual he's come to hate the country and actively speaks out against it. He wants retaliation for their crimes. Doesn't seem too far left, hmm? Sunrise policy has been long dead since North Korea went Nuclear. You're a retard if you think South Koreans are unironic tankies.

>>3012339
>the elections are rigged !!!!
Oh fuck off burger, just admit you got BTFO.

>>3012339
>In every capitalist country, elections are rigged to support capitalist interests
That's right. Only reason why Drimpppft won. It's the Russians, I tell you!

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>>3011263
>peaceful
>Murders the Tsar and family instead of exile

>>3012215
No, but you can read the writings of the Chinese Communist Party, including Deng Xiaoping, Xi Xinping, and others. If they had totally abandoned all traces of communism, why even call yourself a communist party? Why use a hammer and sickle and red flag? Wouldn't it make more sense to just rebrand yourself as the "Chinese party" or some bullshit?

>>3012231
The Chinese people you've talked to are a tiny minority. Many, probably most Chinese have a different view of things. I doubt you traveled much outside the big cities or talked with people there. Nostalgia for Mao is rampant - many feel they were left behind by the market reforms. I doubt everyone in China is thrilled with extremely heavy pollution and grotesque income inequality.

Re: North Korea. In every documentary about North Korea, the filmmaker drives around the countryside, showing how almost every inch of land in the country is meticulously cultivated. Is that all fake in your opinion? They have massive huge fake farms that don't produce any food everywhere in the countryside, just to fool the one or two Westerners per month (if that) who travel there?

>>3012339
You tard. If it's rigged, then why would moon win if you unironically believe he's a far left

>>3012328
Every other post itt is the same shit

>these people from country x don't know jack shit about country x
>i know more about country x than the people who live in country x

Do you have any idea how inhumanly, revoltingly arrogant this appears to all normal people? How can you possibly know more about what's going on in a country than the people who actually live in that country?

>>3012339
> In Russia, when the communists were about to win in 1996, Yeltsin with the help of his Yankee "advisors" rigged the election. The same thing happened in Ukraine in 1999, when Kuchma and the newly created oligarchs rigged the election to prevent the communist Symonenko from taking power.
That's hilarious how murritards drop the statements built on their own understanding of situation. Shit nigga, there was not a single chance for gommies to get elected back then, that's exactly the reason they been brought to the finals. You should learn how authoritatian democracy works.

>>3011263
The war happened because monarchists tried to reclaim the country and foreign imperialists invaded from all sides. Certainly was not Lenin's intention.

>>3011288
Poland invaded Russia and occupied most of Ukraine. The Soviets only pushed forward to Warsaw because they thought they could provide aid to the German revolutionaries in Berlin and Bavaria.

This didn't work, and Stalin lost his first and only military encounter against some Poles.

>>3012365

>If they had totally abandoned all traces of communism, why even call yourself a communist party?

Because of tradition and also because it helps keep the plebs in line. Sure, maybe you're right. Maybe some hardliner will rise to power in China, reverting it to Maoism. But of course, if that happened, millions would die and you'd immediately scream "THAT'S NOT REALLY COMMUNISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

>>3012371
"Let me tell you about your country" is such a quintessential American mentality and the main reason why they keep fucking the world over.
>SHUT UP YOU STUPID LIBYAN YOU DON'T WANT GHADDAFI YOU WANT DEMOCRACY AND ANARCHIC TERROR THAT WILL SURELY IMPROVE LIBYA

>>3012257
>it's so fucked up how stalin took my dad's slaves
>daddy wuz good boy. he dindu nuffin

>>3012365
Flags and symbols don't really matter that much unless you're some esoteric kabbalah kike who think they have magical power of their own. Modern Russia uses the same flag and coat of arms the monarchy used, yet it's not a monarchy.

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>>3012365
Because Mao founded the country. That doesn't mean they abide by his ideology anymore. It's like how Canada was founded by Sir John A MacDonald but nobody votes conservative and everyone's super into native rights despite him killing a fuckton of natives. Times change, but we keep him there because he did found the country and centralized it a great deal. Mao centralized China and gave it more power than it previously had for over 100 years. I doubt the people you were talking to knew very much about Mao, and probably only know the myth of Mao rather than the truth

Re: income inequality: China's QoL is much higher under market capitalism than it ever was under mao. Mao unified shit, but he hardly improved quality of life. The quality of life only ever
Re: Re: North Korea. I have no idea what documentary you're referring to. I watch their state television (NORTH KOREA TODAY on youtube) and they're usually attempting reforestation. Do you seriously not know about the floods? It's been well documented and there's even a video about it. It's called the arduous march. And even a simple look at the terrain can tell you what's wrong with their agriculture: Most of the country is mountainous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3oijjVDBNo

>>3012403
>>3012365
And I never said there was no agriculture, I said there wasn't enough to feed their population well. Pyongyang and Hwanghae are pretty much the only places in the country where the land is arable

>>3011331
Except for Afghanistan and the 1939 pact, every single Soviet "invasion" was a pushback against foreign aggression. Poland in 1920, Japan in 1940, and Germany in 1941 all took first blood.

>>3012393
>Millions would die
What makes you think that?

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I think it's very funny that people starving in poor socialist countries is blamed on ideology, but people starving in poor capitalist countries is blamed on race.

I don't like North Korea, but they must be doing something right to have an HDI higher than Thailand and the Philippines.

>>3012423
Yeah if you like malnutrition and social instability

>>3012367
Some very rare elections are impossible to rig. The right-wing establishment was completely discredited by the cult scandal, the boat sinking scandal, the extortion scandal, and others. The previous president was impeached with a 4% approval rating. If they had rigged the election in May, there would've been mass unrest in the country. The capitalists decided that it's better to lose a little power and wealth than risk losing it all in a massive country-wide upheaval.

>>3012419
>Czechoslovakia
>Hungary
>Finland
>Bukhara

>>3012435
Moon is about as left wing as the democrats. Which means he's a centrist at the most.

>>3012434
>t. atheistic disloyal peasant

>>3012439
No you see anon it was just a western imperialist plot. Those people really loved capitalism and the evil americans staged protests. much like we're seeing in Venezuela right now. maduro is a good boy

>>3012439
Hungary invaded the USSR retard

>>3012348
Trump is another example of them failing to rig an election. The capitalists were so sure Hillary would win that they didn't even try. Not that it matters, though - after they explained to Trump who's really in control, he backtracked on all of his "anti-establishment" campaign promises.

>>3012342
What about the over 1 million Iraqis killed by the US? Does America not deserve a "hard bargain" either? What about the rape and pillage of Libya, formerly Africa's wealthiest country? The support for terrorists in Syria, destroying the cradle of human civilization? Each of these atrocities is 100x worse than kidnapping some filmmaker or whatever other antics North Korea has pulled over the years.

Since the 1950's, North Korea has been at peace for over 60 years. Meanwhile, the US has been at war for almost all of those 60 years, invading dozens of small countries which posed no threat to the American people, killing millions of innocents and destabilizing the entire world.

>>3012460
>Hungary invaded the USSR in 1956
>American education

>>3012461
I'm not a neocon, so I can't speak to that. All great empires fall eventually. Then a new capitalist empire (probably China) will take the reigns. Reminder that China's already creating colonies in Africa and North America already

>>3012440
Democrats as in Bernie, not Hillary. There's nothing centrist about dramatically limiting the power and influence of corporations in your country. That's quite left-wing, especially for South Korea with its long history of labor and left-wing repression.

>>3011263
Pilsudski, with his delusions of grandeur, of recreating the past, practically ignored more important things such as the revolutions throughout the Europe.

>>3011263
>war is bad. Join me!
"Join the revolution to liberate working class and stop endless imperialistic wars". Guy was commie, not a hippie.

>polish-bolshevik war
Would have happened under Car too.

>>3012483
Hillary and Obama both campaigned on those things though.
Both used populism to garner votes. Samsung and other large corporations are actually doing much better under Moon right now.

Moon still isn't as left as you think he is. You actually believed that he likes North Korea.

>>3011331
>Take over every country
>No longer have to worry about colonization or other countries acting imperialistic
Fucking porkies go back to /pol/

>>3011322
>dude everyone wants to lose their chains LMAO
that's why we need the intelligenstia like you to tell us that

>>3011331
>be Lenin
>cry about persecution of minorities
>issue statement that any part of the empire may cecede
>all states that cecede are given heavy funding for their socialist parties who love you
>mineral rich areas like Ukraine and the urals are prohibited
>reconquer these areas
>later claim it was only rebel armies that led to this
>Stalin kills far more so you're completely ignored because you criticised Stalin and put Trotsky as most favourite
Feels good man

>>3012545
>USSR counters colonialism with colonialism

>>3011467
in Poland FUCKING EVERYONE I mean seriously literally everyone hate communism and PRL. You will not find someone who liked communism and wasn't some high-stand politican

>>3011263
Communism in the 20th century was basically Russian imperialism & nationalism.

>>3011467
There aren't any ardent communists in Latin America who aren't Tumblr tier millennials or aging Castroboos

>Eastern Europe
>Communist

I can't even address this argument seriously. They're tearing down statues of Lenin in all of the former Warsaw states.

>>3012455
Maduro is shit but protesters who throw grenades down from helicopters to terrorize the public are complete scum

>>3012516
Hillary certainly did not

>>3012872
Only in Western Ukraine and Poland. Very, very different situation in Eastern Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Estonia, Serbia, and obviously Russia.

>>3012464

>American education
>defending the USSR

h*ngarian education

>>3012894
>Estonia
>he doesn't know the night of the bronze soldier

>>3012918
From what I understand, in a couple years Estonia will be another Ukraine with civil violence between the pro-Russian left and the pro-German right.

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>>3011467
>Most of Eastern Europe is also communist
...what

>>3012946
Estonians are more like pro-American than pro-German. Nobody takes Germans seriously anymore.

>>3012894
In Czech republic we did it 25 years ago, Ukraine is only catching up now.

>>3012889
Should've watched the debates. She claimed to be for all that populist shit Bernie was spewing

>>3012365

Not him, but you're wrong I'm sorry.

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>>3011473
>>3011657
>>3012153
>>3012751
>>3012872
>>3012975
STOP TAKING THE BAIT

>>3012194
The Farmers learned the hard way that Stalin was quite fond of communism.