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>>3010920

Any good book for history in general?

>>3012219
The Bible.

Genesis to Nehemiah covers 4000~500 BC.

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>>3012276

are there any 'starter kits' in a similar vein to /lit/'s?

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>>3012469
i dont think so. OP is the closest afaik what topics would such a list have? maybe i'll try my hand at one.

also continuing dump where the other anon left off

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>>3012848
new pasta on the pacific islands. gonna post one on the maories very shortly

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>>3013343
maori chart completed!

gonna work on an albania chart next because its an easy topic to cover and because the meme value

/r/ing the suffering chart

>>3010920
can we expand OP's list? I've read some of the books and they are great overviews of the periods or topics they cover. Preferrably if we can add contemporary (meaning in the last 15 years) books that allow people unfamiliar with certain topics to start somewhere.

Bibliographies are good and all but they are very overwhelming for people who are interested in getting into a new topic only to get bombarded by tons of books.

>>3013783
i think thats a good idea. OP's pic has good entry level books. you should post books you think appropriate here and maybe the guy who made the pic will happen upon this thread and make it bigger.

>Preferrably if we can add contemporary (meaning in the last 15 years) books that allow people unfamiliar with certain topics to start somewhere.
In something like history newer =/= better or clearer or accessible. oftentimes the older general works are the better ones, and these works are updated to account for new advances. I suppose anons on this board might not recognize that, but I don't see the value of adding books based on the false assumption that newer is better.

>Bibliographies are good and all
I suppose you're referring to my bibs that make up most of the thread
>but they are very overwhelming for people who are interested in getting into a new topic
possibly, but I find that unrealistic at the moment. i haven't read into most of these topics, so for me to arbitrarily cut down books to make these lists "more approachable" is to delegate to myself an authority i don't possess. moreoever, all the lists here have clearly demarcated introductory sections with general surveys which newcomers to a topic can look into. it's not rocket science. even if i list more than 2 general works on a subject if someone were really so interested in learning a subject reading a few descriptions and weighing the merits of different introductory works is a very small price to pay. I don't understand how you can say that's "bombarbing" people here. people are not idiots. if they have any sense they'll start by reading introductory works suggested and if they want to dig deeper, then they can look at the other topics on these charts.

Any of these for the Soviet Union?

>>3014003
not yet this is the stuff i've compiled for an upcoming chart though
https://pastebin.com/qUR5aaSw

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Were these all made by the same guy? If so good shit

>>3010920
I own Fall of the Ottomans and Napoleon a life, thinking about getting The Great War in Africa.

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>>3015900
yes i made all these. glad you like them. tell me if you have any topic you want to see made into a chart and ill get to it eventually

Anyone know a good book over the Vietnam War?

I know almost nothing about it outside of pop culture.

>>3010920
If anyone could help,
Couple of weeks ago I found a chart with /his/ starting the Greeks and a second one the Romans. Started with the Greeks and read some new books. Phone got nuked and lost all. Iirc it had a blue background and different colour lines. The Greek one started with the library of Greek mythology and had a lot of penguin classic books in it.

>>3015953
Seeing as you have one on the Seleucids, could you possibly make some on the other Diadochi & post-Alexander Hellenistic kingdoms (Ptolemaic, Lysimachus, Antipatrids, Greco-Bactrians, etc.)?

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>>3015953
One for the Cold War in sub sections (Cold in Middle East, Cold war in East Asia etc) would be pretty neat, and a chart for the history of Latin America would also be amazing.

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>>3015978
I assume these are the ones you're talking about.

>>3015985
oh and one for learning about the Interwar period between WW1 and WW2 would also be good to have. You're gonna keep us reading for years to come. Have you read all of the books you put down?

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>>3015978
>>3015990
And here's the one on Rome.

>>3015990
>>3015999
Thanks a lot!
In case it hasn't been posted yet, a mega with some books.
https://mega.nz/#F!dlZlDbqL!TXG5bGvWufONkrQAL7b7jA

>>3015999
>hating on Gibbon
>recommends the Histories
I don't get it. Just because some idiots think that Gibbon is the definite source for Roman history doesn't disqualify his monumental contributions to the study of Roman history and history in general. Even if he was wrong on some things.

>>3015983
definitely was thinking of that. yesterday i gathered all the books for a ptolemaic chart, but its going to take longer to make cause theres a lot more material on it than the seleucids, because egypt's climate has helped to preserve a shit ton more papyrus records. i'll get to the macedonians eventually too. the seleucid chart has stuff on the bactrians. theres not much literature on them so i thought it was more convenient to lump it with the seleucids, as their fortunes were also tied together historically.

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>>3015992
yeah cold war is a must. and interwar europe would be good but it'd be hard to tackle.

>Have you read all of the books you put down?
barely any of them desu.

Anything about East Asia history? Korea or Japan? thanks for all these charts!

>>3016184
i'm gonna make a japanese one really soon because that is a popular topic

>>3016184
A good starter for Japan is The Japanese Experience for W.G. Beasley. I'm not super well-versed in more niche sources so I can't really help you beyond that, but maybe checking the bibliography of the book will help.

>>3015966
I know of several. The thing about the Vietnam War is that you won't even begin to understand it by reading one book. To make matters worse, there are multiple historiographical schools regarding the conflict and they all have their very different views of it so often you won't understand it fully even after reading several. Regardless, a few good starters are America's Longest War, The Pentagon Papers Abridged, and The War That Never Ends. Those cover the most common historiography (liberal realist school), but they miss a lot of the bigger picture. If you want Military Revisionist school, you're going to want to delve into various military college dissertations and journal articles on the conflict from dtic.mil to really get a grasp of it. Rolling Thunder 65: Anatomy of a Failure by Col. Dennis Drew should be mandatory in order to understand the hurdles the military faced in Vietnam and Washington. Marxist historiography on the conflict is, in my opinion, complete and utter garbage that spends too much time grasping at straws to be of any value, but if you really want to go down that road A People's History of the Vietnam War is a good starting point.

Works on Japan?

>>3016751
what period

>>3016799
Not the poster, but I would like a book about the trade with Europe in the edo period, Nagasaki.

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>>3016830
this has stuff on the very early edo period

>>3015953
You got any on the French Revolution?

If you've posted it already, my apologies, I may have missed it

>>3016904
https://pastebin.com/S4nTP40Z
this has more, despite the title, there are also books dealing with the european encounter more generally, but all the books seem to cover up to 1650 and no further

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>>3010920

Anyone has a good collection of writings on inquisition?

I am not primarily looking for history books, but treatises, manuals, or just letters between inquisitors. It seems to me that short of learning Latin I won't be able to read many of the more significant ones, such as Gui's Pratica officii inquisitionis heretice pravitatis or Eymeric's Directorium inquisitorum, which is a bummer.

But I'm no historian, so maybe some of you know more about what has and hasn't been translated. I already know that unfortunately my own country's scholars haven't translated shit to my native language, but some English or alternatively German translations would be appreciated.

>>3016942
w-wats in there?

>>3016953
if you can read spanish just check in here
https://pastebin.com/NmGGTuZp
there's also some english translations in the anthologies section it looks like

>>3016909
not yet. i saw a few people asking for one these last months and so the last few days i've collected books on it but i'm not nearly finished yet. its a very big topic. i suppose i can just make a short list with introductory works if you want

>>3016987
>i suppose i can just make a short list with introductory works if you want
if you could that'd be great mate

>>3016987
Thanks, anon. Spanish is sadly a no go, but I'll go through that list and see what I can get from it.

It never fails to surprise me how many prominent works remain untranslated to this day.

>>3016751
An overview of Japan before Edo.

>>3014024
why are so many his autists obsessed with german colonization of all colonial empires?

>>3016799
Imperial famarino

>>3017657
There's only one on this board that I know of and it's the guy that made the list for the chart and that guy happens to be me. I personally enjoy it because there isn't a whole lot of secondary literature on it unlike other colonial empires and the sheer amount of differentiation between colonial holdings makes it interesting.

>>3018047
see link
http://www.hist.cam.ac.uk/undergraduate/tripos-papers/part-ii-papers-2016-2017/part-ii-specified-reading-lists-2016-17/j6-syllabus-2015-2016-final.pdf

>>3017657
it's a cool topic. it was done by a major european power that near dominated the colony but was very late to the colonization game. this is also why other start up empires like japan (or america even) are interesting because their methods of colonization and administration are sort of like the state of the art of that times in terms of intellectual and administrative ideas. it also reveals the tensions in the home society and especially in as ebullient a power as germany with a dynamic economy and but a deeply divided society and politics the german colonial project offers another lense through which to look at it.

>>3018211
dominateed the continent*

Any recs on where to start with Chinese history?

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>>3018572
what period

>>3015930
I recently read "an exorcist tells his story" and its literally full of shit.
>page 51: "One of the most famous instances of diabolical possession, which many books report [which books, where, cite?] thanks to the accuracy of the historical documentation [where, who, cite?], concerns two brothers, the Burners, in Illfur Alsatia. The two brothers were freed in 1869 following a series of exorcisms. It is reported [cite?] that among the many, extremely vicious [explanation?] actions of the demon was a plan to overturn the coach that transported the exorcist, a monsignor, and a nun. The devil was foiled in his intent only because the coach driver, at the last minute, was given a medal of Saint Benedict to protect him on the journey, and the good man devoutly put it in his pocket."
I bet nobody in this thread can find a single document referencing this story

>>3012219
Short: Outline of History, HG Wells
Long: Story of Civilization, Durant

Having read the first, and parts of the second, I'd say that the prose of the first is superior (HG Wells is a world class author after all), but biased towards socialism, and the latter is way more indepth.

Any good books on the Enlightenment?

>>3019295
peter gay is a good place to start

>>3016987
Any news on that French Revolution introductory list?

these pastebin dumps are far too big to be useful desu. A list of 50 books per topic without being told which one to start with is beyond useless

Thoughts on autobiographies?

>>3018572
For multi-volume works you can't go wrong with The cambridge histories of china

>>3012228
>Bible
>History

>>3015953
If you honestly did, fucking great job. Have you read all of these books? I really like your Etruscan and Carthage lists.

Do you have any plans for the following:
>Celts (Broad topic, but personally looking at periods like the Halstatt and La tene)
>Anglo-saxons
>Venice (I guess it would mimic the Genoa list)
>Norse
>Minoans and Mycenaeans

I plan on making a lists for naval warfare, commerce/trade and possibly thalassocrocies of antiquity since that's more my knowledge area. Pretty much like that Genoa list.

>>3016987
Thanks a lot.
t. Spanish speaking anon

>>3019675
Cant work on it today but its the first thing on my to do list

>>3020708
Ty senpai. Ive read barely any i rearrange the books from ny pastebin archive of annotated bibliographies. Those are very nice chart topics and id love to male those eventually

>>3020928
Is there a wiki or some other page where these are all organized? Phone poster and not sure when I'll get a chance to save everything on my desktop.

>>3020957
I havent done that yet but these threads pop up often and i or someone else always reposts these.

>>3020957
>Is there a wiki or some other page where these are all organized
No, and there probably never will be a /his/ wiki. We have this discussion every thread.

>>3021174
Sorry, haven't been here long and didn't realize it was frequently brought up.

>>3021188
I didn't mean it to sound hostile. It's just not a practical solution for this board and Wikipedia already exists for the bigger stuff which is what most people seek. I should mention that there IS a /his/ wiki floating around, but it's full of shitty memes and nothing of value which is absolutely what I expected it to be.

>>3021202
Nah man, you're fine, I should've lurked more instead of expecting to be spoonfed.

>>3021232
It's what these threads are for. Ask for topics, we provide to the best of our ability.

>>3021234
In that case, anything good on pre-1600 Japan? I'm making my way through Jansen's Making of Modern Japan and have read Musui's Story and a short biography on Saigo Takamori, but have nothing from before 1600.

>>3021254
War in Japan 1467–1615 by Stephen Turnbull is pretty good. I read it some time ago.

>>3012285
Absolutley BASED guide.

>>3018572

The Cambridge Illustrated History of China

Is there any way to find even a fraction of these books if you arent associated with a uni?

Hardly any of these books are on libgen

>>3021317
You could just like, buy the book

>>3021317
You can probably get on WorldCat and get them through interlibrary loan to your local library.

>>3013783
>>3013841
I'm the creator of the OP chart. I'm surprised people on this board actually liked it. I am actually an architect with a history hobby and I agree with the guy asking for a simplification of book charts since I am not a historian myself, I don't have the time to look for books. I made the chart after asking for book recommendations in this board and was happy with what I read based on those recommendations. Bibliographies are too overwhelming, and most times as an amateur, I want to be pointed in a specific direction.

I'm actually curious to know how many professional historians frequent this board and how many are students or do it as a hobby.

>>3021352
>I'm actually curious to know how many professional historians frequent this board and how many are students
Not many, but there are a few of us.

>>3021266
Nice, I'll check it out. Thanks.

>>3021377
It's pretty short, but it's a very nice concise intro to the Sengoku era.

>>3021326
>You could just like, buy the book

You've clearly never looked at buying academic books on the public market. Many non-popular history books are in the £100+ range. If you actually want to understand a topic you're looking at 5+ books. It's simply not feasible for the average hobbyist.

>>3021411
>he doesn't make 300k starting
You raise a valid point. Most libraries do not carry these works and to truly understand even one topic you're looking at multiple books, but if you're really interested in the topic it may be worth it.

>>3021411
I make 60k. I just buy used books. I'm no rich man.

>>3021411
how about the public library...?

>>3021352
>I am actually an architect with a history hobby and I agree with the guy asking for a simplification of book charts since I am not a historian myself, I don't have the time to look for books. I made the chart after asking for book recommendations in this board and was happy with what I read based on those recommendations.
I'm not against that at all but sadly I haven't read so many history books to create lists on most of the topics i make charts about. Maybe in the future i'll compile a list of books that i've read and enjoyed but the hope was that these comprehensive lists would inspire people to read up on a subject and hopefully make their own charts based on what they liked or not. the german colonial dude is an example of a guy who's very familiar with a topic he likes and now we have a nice intro list compiled by him in this thread

Any good books on warlord-era China? Or anything early 20th century

>>3022544
have you seen
>>3012818

>>3022550
Yeah but they all seems really dense and specific haha
I'm only starting to read about history, only books i've read yet are the Romance of the three kingdoms and Summer in the heavenly kingdom (dope as fuck btw)

>>3022579
ah ok. yeah warlord period isn't so well covered by the historiography, but if you havent taken a look at them yet, three on that list are general works on the warlord period: "warlord politics", "the power of the gun" and "military formation and elite power in the formation of modern china" (they're all clustered together in the third row.) the last of those books i mentioned is the most recent work on the warlord period, published around three years ago, but i think power of the gun is considered the standard work on the period. following those three books i listed a bunch of biographies on chinese warlords and warlord groupings/alliances ("cliques") if you want a look at the warlord period from the angle of a single person or provincial area. however, I suspect Modern China: A Very Short Introduction you can read in a few hours because its short, and you might like Henrietta Harrison's work "China: Inventing the nation" or Diana Lary's "China's Republic" which are two surveys made specficially to introduce you to modern china's history. Peter Zarrow's China in War and Revolution is dense I admit but insightful. I hope you don't find these too dense but i tried to make the list of introductory works to the warlord period, it's military history, its personalities and social life (which i should have made clear on the chart). alternatively if you want a really long view Jonathan Spence's modern china survey starts from the beginning of the qing to the 1990s. spence also wrote his own work on the taiping rebellion (god's chinese son)

>>3022609
Hey thanks man I really appreciate it. I'm definitly gonna read some of them soon.
We need more people like you on /his/

>>3022626
thank you i'm glad to help senpai. i'll make sure to make the warlord chart more accessible cause its a topic that interests people here and the easier it is to read the better.

>>3012285
The History of Byzantium is absolutely better than the History of Rome. Pierson goes into a lot more detail, and isn't just about the life of the Emperors. He just isn't as funny as Mike but you shouldn't care about that.

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>>3010920
>Bloodlands
> For twelve savage years, on this bloodsoaked soil an average of one million individuals - mostly women, children and the aged - were murdered every year.
>mostly women, children and the aged
hmm really made me think

fuck men am i rite? lets add up literally EVERY other definition of people other than men in order for it to outweigh men and therefore make it seem men had it the easiest

>>3023693
The book actually talks about the thousands Soviet POWs killed by the Nazis.

>>3012276
These are great, particularly the Byzantines one. Is there a chart for the history of the Catholic Church or the Popes? Any recs?

If i know nothing of asian history where should i start?

>>3020665
I think you took the wrong road to reddit, so to speak.

>>3026146
hahaha yeah totally i can't believe stupid redditors like him don't believe in Genesis haha like what's so hard to believe about talking serpents, women from ribs and Trees of Knowledge hahaha

>>3026146
(You)

>>3026056
you interested in a particular region?

>>3025913
not yet

>>3026511
also regarding the catholic church or papacy chart, i'd be happy to hear any suggestions as to how to structure such a chart and whether to divide it into multiple charts with time periods

>>3026511
All of it seems interesting. That's why i don't know where to start

Requesting something on the history of the Umayyad and abbassid caliphates. Everything I find is about the history of islam or Mohammed which is not quite the same thing.

>>3026794
https://pastebin.com/n2w5uFie
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Anyone have a "history of Japan", "history of china", and or "history of korea"

>>3026694
Jansen's Making of Modern Japan covers from 1600 onwards. Briefly touches on how the Tokugawa Shogunate came into power.

>>3026694
>>3029762
East Asia: A Cultural, Social, and Political History by Ebrey/Walthall is the textbook I used for East Asia History courses.

>>3012818
>Books on the ROC
Senpai by birthday was last month

>>3017657
Probably because it was started late into the Scramble for Africa and it was cut short by WW1. It's interesting to think about what could have been, a German speaking Kamaroon instead of French, how Namibia became and still is Little Germany, etc. It's interesting to think about apart from the main colonial empires that lasted into the 60s and 70s.

Any credible textbook companies/brands? I'm looking to just pick up a textbook on any old topic and plow through it, but I don't know which ones are good or not.

>>3030237
macmillan, brill, oxford, cambridge, i.b. tauris, wiley-blackwell, ashgate, routledge
are all good

ptolemaic chart imminent. french revolution chart is a lot more complicated to make for various reasons, even a small intro chart

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>>3031266
part 1 of huge ass chart

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>>3031432
chart 2

Anyone got an SEAsia starter pack? Preferably something covering colonization up through the present day. I have no idea why but I've had a desire to learn Burmese history for a while now for whatever reason.

Also, anything good that covers Renaissance Tuscany?

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>>3031432
>>3031451

>>3031710
SEA would be great. I'm really interested in colonization in the region. Even Early Modern era would be cool.

>>3031710
Don't have a chart, but I've heard good things about "The Making of Modern Burma" by Thant Myint-U. It would cover the period you are looking for.

>>3031832
think i might break it into smaller chunks desu so i can make the text bigger and more legible. will also add more markers on the side

>>3032347
>>3031710
https://pastebin.com/6U8GUExP
check in here for some intro works. i have yet to make a chart for se asia though

>>3010920
>>no Arms of Krupp