Why are sogdians so aesthetic his

very aesthetic civilization right here. appreciate the dump anon.

>>3010263

I just wish we knew more about them, there is so many fascinating aspects about them like the fact that for a long time they were the greatest merchants of the silk road, to a point that sogdian was the lingua franca for trade in all of central asia and iran.

Today, its spoken by a only a few thousands of their descendants in the yaghnob valley and declines more and more everyday as the tajik government gradually persianizes them...

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>>3010186
Seen some similar stuff in Uzbekistan

>>3010549

Bukhara and Samarkand were originally sogdian cities. They were later conquered by a host of peoples from persians to macedonians to turks throughout history but much of the original influences remained.

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>>3010186
>>3010549
Huh, so this is the "empty steppe of grass" Mongolophobes keep saying is what Genghis conquered.

>>3011161
THICC

They got rich as the merchants and middle men of the silk road. Too bad theres barely anything left of them.

HONESTLY FUCK MONGOLS IM SO DEPRESSED RIGHT NOW.

>>3011161
I recall that wall is entirely reconstructed.

>>3011366
It doesn't say it was ever reconstructed on the Wikipedia page and was ccontinually used. It was probably damaged then fixed but not destroyed by Genghis

>>3011161
>>3011358

Sogdians as we know them were already long gone by the time the mongols rolled in. They still somewhat survive to this day in the form of yaghnobi Tajiks, but their culture and civilization was thoroughly assimilated and persianized by the samanids centuries before the mongols.

Doesn't make it much better desu.

>>3010186

>>3011551
Yea man i know this, its just that I'd like to think that some archaeological sites or historical manuscripts would have survived and hence better enhance our knowledge of this underrated civilisation had the mongols not sowed so much destruction in the land.

>>3011620

For all the wanton damage the mongols did, arguably the sogdian cities are all still in use and inhabited today. They were just culturally assimilated to such an extent that they don't look sogdian anymore, but for that i blame turks and persians, not Mongols.

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not original enough, im into out of this earth original

>>3011678

This looks like your average siberian nomad with a prehistoric elk desu.

The sogdians looked largely like their own thing, an amalgamation of styles from all the many peoples they traded it from chinese to persian to greek to many others.

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>>3011704
Aren't Sogdian a branch of Iranian people? If it is then their culture shouldn't be too different from Persians/Parthians/Bactrians

>>3011719

They are, but they were VERY different in that they were also influenced by the culture of merchants from india and china. Their day to day culture was far more influenced by the orient than persia, evidenced by the fact that they wore silk and mainly practiced Mahayana buddhism and that their art often shows indian motiffs albeit on their own original fashion.

They were literally at the crossroads of two worlds.

Also the peoples you mentioned were barely anything alike.

How many people even speak Yaghnobi/Sogdian today? Is there even a prospect for their long term survival let alone a revival of their culture?

>>3011779
>mainly practiced Mahayana buddhism

waaat. Buddhism was pretty popular there, along with the east of Iran - one of the Abbasid vizier houses, the Barmakids, were descended from a family of Buddhist monastery administrators in Balkh. But in Soghd the actual religion that was practiced was a syncretistic version of Zoroastrianism that wasn't "purified" by Sassanid creation of single orthodoxy.

>>3012404
and Manichaeism later on of course.

>>3012413
>Manichaeism

Ive heard rumors that it still exists. But no sort of evidence.

>Afrasiab
Alp Er Tunga*

>>3012526
>Alp Er Tunga

T. Mehmet Mehmetoglu

>>3012521

Bump for this, I find Manichaeism insanely interesting, please tell me more anon.

>>3011551
sogdians got ulugbeg'd by mongoloids

>>3010186
>perfect mix of the iranian and oriental worlds.
sogdians are from andronovo, persians were a result of andronovo. iranians were thus influenced by sogdians very early.

the orientals were also influenced by andronovo/sogdians and adopted much of the andronovo civilization and style

dragons is just one very basic andronovo influence on orientals


tocharians/sogdians/bactrians were very similar

>>3011704
that picture makes no sense though why would you even respond

>>3014570
Persians share similarities with Sogdians, Sogdians are Iranics, along with Bactrians and Parthians and Medes

>Strabo, in his Geographica, mentions the unity of Medes, Persians, Bactrians and Sogdians:

>The name of Ariana is further extended to a part of Persia and of Media, as also to the Bactrians and Sogdians on the north; for these speak approximately the same language, with but slight variations.
>—Geography, 15.8

>>3014570
>dragons is just one very basic andronovo influence on orientals
Source? There are neolithic antecedents to what would the Chinese dragon.
http://www.academia.edu/28513469/%E4%B9%98%E9%BE%8D%E5%BE%A1%E5%A4%A9%E7%9A%84%E6%99%82%E4%BB%A3_Riding_on_Dragons_to_Rule_Heaven_

>>3014560

They had been gone for nearly three centuries before the first mongol ever rolled into those lands.