why were jews forced to go into banking?

>>3009913
Money lending was forbidden to Christians (usury). Jews were only really tolerated in the West (if at all) so long as they carried out this role.

>>3010312
but why where they banned from other professions

The same way they are "forced" into pornography, Hollywood, and trafficking of human organs...they do not understand morals or ethics

>>3011141
Those kind of traditional professions such as smithing and masonry were considered too honourable for a Jew.

>>3011164
why werent they allowed to be farmers? wasnt that pretty low on the hierarchy?

>>3011169

There were usually laws about where they could live that restricted them to towns and cities.

>>3011186
but why isn't that a reason for me to hate them?

Because they tricked the government into securing them control over the wealth

>>3011186
why though? is it literally just antisemitism?

>>3011230
It's because they're essentially a foreign nation. Jews were very xenophobic in a time where people were very communal.
>inb4 everyone was xenophobic back then
Everyone had a State to go to, except the Jews who were xenophobic towards their host nations.

They were spared forced conversion by Papal Decree, and the people probably resented that.

>>3011238

>Jews were xenophobic
>that's why they were made to be separate and it was illegal for them to marry a non-Jew or to dress as a non-Jew

>>3011249
They wouldn't convert, which is akin to assimilating in Medieval Europe.

So yeah, they weren't going to let them absorb non Jews

>>3011249
Dosent that prove his point though?

>>3011260

How does making it illegal for them to integrate, prove they didn't want to integrate?

>>3011269
>prove they didn't want to integrate
that not what xenophobic means. xenophobic is when you have a preference for members of your own nation/family/clan or whatever.

Also, from my understanding, only a few jews converted to Christianity and the rest just stayed jewish so yeah the didnt want to integrate to a degree

>>3011269
Because they could integrate by conversion, integration was conversion. You are hindered by your modern perceptions.
Assimilation in the middle ages wasn't turning in your hut and camel in for a ranch and a 05 accord, it was being Christian.

Your question can be answered by looking at the progression of Luther's opinions on the Jews. At first, he thought that they weren't assimilating because the Church was too hard on them, so he allowed them freedoms.

When it turned out that they didn't change, he thought they should be destroyed instead.

>>3011280

So they have a preference for their own kind, but so many of them were trying to marry others, dress like others and live amongst others, it had to be made illegal?

>>3011280

But even converts weren't allowed to integrate and were still treated like shit. In England they had to live in a special monastery and the entire Spanish inquisition was set up because no one believed those darn dirty Jews were sincere converts.

>>3011157
>>/pol/

>>3009913
There are two kinds of moneylending: lending (here take my fifty florins, just pay me back anon from a week hence) and usury (oy vey goy, you get fifty florins, but you gotta pay interest). Usury was strictly forbidden, but only among Christian citizens of a nation. Jews were neither Christians, nor were they really considered true citizens of their host countries, so laws regarding usury did not apply to them. This meant whenever a Christian member of society needed to borrow large amounts of money, he had to enlist the services of a Jewish moneylender. Dealing with money is a touchy business, and naturally when disputes arise over money, they can turn violent in a hurry.

In comes state intervention. Kings and lords would offer protection to their Jewish communities, and in exchange they could dip into their funds for their lordly ventures such as attacking that fucking asshole Greve of Skara who won't stop with his expansionist bullshit. As you can guess, this little cycle eventually grew: more citizens and wealthy individuals relied upon wealthy Jews for moneylending services, Jews acquired wealth by moving large amounts of money, lords and kings spent said wealth.

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>>3009913
>why were jews forced to go into banking?

Most Jews weren't bankers. They were Ghetto-Jews. There were actually more poor criminal Jews who were the medieval equivalent to Chiraq Dindus then there were rich bankers. That all changed around the Enlightenment when most Jews rose up in the ranks. However, people who push this idea that they were mostly money lenders are clueless. In Yiddish there are 20+ words for "snitch" and "rat" which is eerily similar to how many terms there are for it in AAVE. The truth is for the most of Jews history in Europe they were Proto-African-Americans.

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>>3009913
>why were jews forced to go into banking?

They traded their souls for worldly gain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuKFX1NuoaI

>>3009913

Why were there laws against Christians lending money? Where does the bible say that money lending is wrong? I can understand having legal restrictions on interest rates, but completely stopping all money lending is a one-way ticket to economic stagnation.

>>3009913
>forced
Like what? One day Whitey McEuro went to the nearest jew and forced him to lend money with interest at gunpoint?

>>3011141
They weren't, they were just banned from guilds and the aristocracy. They still could've become peasants and farmers but they didn't because the average jew is a lazy faggot.

>>3009913
It's because Christianity is a system made to help the Jews and only the Jews. Peter and his cabal of apostles spread Christianity thoughout the world and told goyim that "banking bad!" Which made that only Jews control the system. Jews aren't brainwashed from birth by the Christian church that money is evil and they therefore indulge in business unlike Christians.

>>3012368
Peter was literally the Trotsky of the 1st century. A self-hating jew who hated other jews but still coaxed stupid goyim into a jew ideology.

>>3012190
>Proto-African-Americans

fucking kek

>>3012190
The jews are still criminals, still have that ghetto mentality. Jewish mob in the US was actually equal in importance to the Italian Mafia at one point, and even today they're heavily involved in drug and human trafficking.

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>>3012411
>Jewish mob in the US was actually equal in importance to the Italian Mafia at one point

It was even more powerful in a lot of ways. Basically paved the way for Las Vegas. Half of the Italian bosses that were killed were usually hits from Jewish mob bosses.

>>3012411
>>3012433
Don't forget their dominance in the porn industry.

>>3012451
Don't forget their dominance in the fashion industry.

Ralph Lauren was originally Ralph Lifshitz, could you imagine Polo being called that? Also Calvin (((Klein))), Marc (((Jacobs))). That's off the top of my head.

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>>3012386

>>3012352
>What is a kibbutz?

I knew a jew named Tony once. He was autistic, and a banker. Fun facts.

>>3011141
Often it wasn't an outright ban. It's just that guilds tended to be fairly nepotistic or depend on someone vouching for you, and thus "outsiders" aren't going to be in it as much. Don't misunderstand, there were many outright bans, but a lot of it were "soft" bans and inconvenient hurdles and things of that nature.

For the most part Jews were poor as dirt and basically a bunch of criminal scum because of it. The rich banker thing didn't come about until a lot later.

>>3012500
Sure, but fashion industry isn't as ridden with criminal shit as the porn industry.

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>>3013400

People will believe this image.

>>3012349

http://www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/issue-14/luther-on-use-of-money.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury#Christianity

Lending money at interest (usury) was forbidden by the old and new testament. (Wikipedia has Bible quotes).

Usury was banned in Christian nations from the 400's to the 1400's or so. Well technically it was still illegal in most places until protestantism came about.

But to be fair, read that Luther article. He raged about merchants and capitalism about money lending.

Most modern Christians ignore this for some reason and even the catholic church has banks these days. Only the Orthodox Church is working with the Russian banks to create Christian friend banking system.

See... This whole usury thing makes me think modern Christianity is full of bullshit. It was illegal for thousand of years and even the founder of Protestantism said it was bad fucking behavior.

Oh and if you want to know how the Jews got around money lending, the old testament says you cannot give loans at interest to your brother and as Christians were not their brothers they could give all the high interest loans to them as they wanted.

>>3013603

Oh and I want to add, that the reason why Muslims nations with Sharia law are such shit holes is that they outlaw usury to they never have the foundation for a capitalist society with a modern business industry.

And to be fair, I'm not calling for the west to give up usury because we'd turn into a shit hole as well.

But you can't call yourself a good Christian if you make money from interest (banks, bonds, 401Ks, and basically anything on Wall Street)

I mean if you are going to ignore that whole usury thing, you fucks should be fine with gay marriage because that is what you are doing when you ignore shit that is inconvenient to your way of life.

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>>3013603
Christians are famous for this sort of shit.
For example, there was a huge debate among Christian theologians over idolatry - between the iconoclasts and iconodules - about whether depicting religious figures was permitted or heretical. St. John of Damascus settled this issue by formulating a theological doctrine according to which the portrayal of saints and Jesus is permitted, since they existed in flesh and it's thus allowed to portray their earthly form. However, God the Father CANNOT be depicted, since he isn't unknowable and incomprehensible by the human mind, and therefore approximating his form would be heretical (see: Golden calf).

Now fast forward a few centuries into the Renaissance and the fucktarded Catholics are already plastering their churches with the depictions of God the Father looking like a goofy bearded old dude sitting on a cloud. Unbelievable.

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>>3011141
They couldn't be farmers or join guilds, so those who wanted to make money had to become bankers, merchants, or (rarely) mercenaries.

Historically the vast majority of Jews were actually craftsmen, but medieval Jewish ghettos were dominated by powerful moneylenders who behaved pretty similar to mafia dons.

Medieval Jewish bankers maintained relationships with their local lord and the Jewish community, positioning themselves as defenders of the poor Jews and fostering dependency. These few rich Jews would patronize various rabbis, writers, and artists and were can be partially credited for most developments in medieval Jewish culture. Like pic related, a 15th century Hebrew manuscript from Germany.

>>3013616
Muslim nations just replace interest with bullshit "scheduled banking fees" and the like that function exactly like interest payments. It's essentially the same thing.

>>3013643
Will blacks end up being the future jews?

>>3013603
Tried to read article, but it is locked to outsiders. Could you be kind enough and share it? Tnx in afvence

>>3013603
Usury is not lending money at interest.
It's lending money with extremely high interest. herein lies the problem what is considered high/immoral interest rate?

>>3009913
Jews did engage if physical labour and other non banking jobs as well. Chrisitan's still lend money because honestly you expect people to really follow it 100%?

Cause Jews love money and are insecure and feel bad about themselves

>>3012190
Dear God.... Then this means the African Americans will eventually become rich, nepotistic manipulators!

FACT: in the middle ages Christians were not allowed by the church to lend money with interest meaning they could not bank essentially interest in what money and banking is all about. SO jews took their place. here you go anon an unbiased explination

>>3009913
Is the "Jews were the only one who could add interest" explanation just a meme?

>>3014089
OP's use of the word "forced" kind of irks me.

>>3009913

Christians weren't allowed to practice usury.

>>3014079
Entirely possible. Black Americans have a lot of group cohesion, a strong cadre of professionals despite the memes, and are scattered all across the US.

If a civilizational collapse happens, black people could easily become something of a merchant class connecting various population centers to each other.

>>3014071

You will note that after the Jews are expelled from England, Italian and Flemish merchants picked up the slack in the moneylending business. There were riots and demands to get rid of them too.