Hey, newfag to philosophy here Reading Meditations by Marcus

>>2997111
Your first mistake is assuming you most do something because Marcus Aurelius had the personal idea to do so.

Second, it doesn't mean DON'T listen to music, it means take into consideration how other people go about giving in to pleasures.

>>2997128
got it thnx m8

>>2997195
Welcome. Glad to see someone else interested in philosophy on this board who isn't just a spookposter.

>>2997199
another question then, kind sir;

If Marcus wrote this for himself, then there are things in there that might not apply to all of humanity but only for him. So how does one differentiate?

>>2997232
You don't really. It's all very universal

>>2997264
What he said

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>>2997111
Punch a stoic.

He doesn't punch back.

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>>2997287
> of course they dont

>>2997111
If the music is pleasurable to you, that is not the problem, if the music is detrimental to your work or ethic, that is a problem
There are plenty of people who find pleasure in good things, but Aurelius assumes the natural man is evil, which is not necessarily true. If you wan an example of this, look at yourself. You naturally enjoy music, something that is not inherently evil, so we can assume that the pleasure = bad basis of his argument is flawed and just because you enjoy something does not make it wrong

>>2997428
this thought kinda went into my mind: is it possible that when he wrote this, by "pleasures" he meant "things that you enjoy but are in conflict with your daimon"? Is there documentation of the usage of the word "pleasure" (it's Lating equivalent) that suggest a more negative meaning to the word?

>>2997111

I understand it as not overindulging in pleasure, which is a very relevant message in the age of internet porn and video games.