Memes aside, is Macedonia actually macedonian?

>>2995256

Yes. They just speak a new language but they're the same people.

>>2995256
Since when did macedonians consider themselves as the actual old macedonians?

I mean, I'm sure in the 19th century they didn't thought of themselves as descendants of Alexander.

No it's just slavs larping as greeks

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clearly, considering Greece holds most of the modern territories that made up the ancient Kingdom of Macedon

>>2995268
Since always, that's the whole issue they genuinely think they wuz Alexanders an shiet

>64% ethnically Macedonian
There's no such fucking thing as Macedonian ethnicity REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2995256
No they're Slavic people like the Bulgarians.

>>2995423
Bulgarians are Turkic, not Slavic

>>2995266
This.

>>2995438
>Modern Bulgarians
>Turkic

>>2995273
>>2995423
No such ethnicity as Slavic. This is merely a language group, just like Latin or Arabic. While our Macedonian language is part of the Slavic family of languages, our ethnicity was, is, and always will be Macedonian. There is physically no such thing as Slavic blood. You are obviously a foreigner to Macedonia and Macedonians, and it's clear you have a political agenda. You won't be taken seriously as your aim is blatant.

Better to research your own history instead of meddling with history that is foreign to you.

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>>2995417
He WAS Macedonian, no matter how much you Gr**ks try to whitewash it and say he wasn't. Alexander hated Gr**ks, he slaughtered thousands of them. His father’s favorite city was in the heart of modern Macedonia.
>inb4 BUT HE SPOKE GREEK
He spoke tons of languages. What are you gonna say next, he’s Persian?

>>2995501

>one greek city state going to war with another greek city state

THAT MEANS ALEXANDER WASN'T GREEK!!

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>>2995494
>No such ethnicity as Slavic.

>>2995438
the original tribe was turkic but they invaded a majority slavic land and assimilated.

>>2995266
100% this

>>2995534
>almost no presence in Monkeydonia
Good job BTFOing your own argument

>>2995576
See how they are the same as Bulgaria. This isn't a coincidence.

>>2995622
It isn't a coincidence because neither of them is Slavic.

No.

The entire region was overrun with Bulgarians in the Early Medieval era. The current country isn't the same region as the ancient kingdom.

>>2995644
But they are the same.

>>2995266
No they are Paeonian and Dardanian

>>2995667
And not Slavic.

>>2995703
But they are the same, and not Macedonian.

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No, we're not

>>2995622
>See how they are the same as Bulgaria. This isn't a coincidence.

Closer to the truth is that these Bulgarians speak a form of Macedonian, and not the other way around. The modern meaning of Bulgarian was merely to denote church affiliation, just as greek was. Hence the overnight bulgarization/hellinization of the Macedonian people in the 19th century.

>>2995713
And still not Slavic.

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>>2995256
I say the same thing every time this thread comes up.
My ex was Bulgarian and also lived in Greece for a while and could speak Greek. So maybe she's not the most impartial judge, but I'd listen to someone actually from the Balkans before I'd listen to some Americans on a Laotian finger puppet forum.
I asked her about it and she said they're basically Bulgars LARPing as ancient Greeks. She said some nationalists in both Bulgaria and Greece see FYROM as their rightful clay but most people don't give a fuck. Also according to her everyone else in the Balkans thinks the Macedonians are a bunch of retards.
I know you didn't want meme answers but there you go.

>>2995718
Well that's okay. They're Bulgarian, but if you don't consider Bulgarians Slavic then that's a different discussion.

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Ancient Macedonia and FYROM have a very small overlap. Most of it is now Greece.
Even if you consider the Empire at its greatest extent, there's still parts of FYROM that were never even Macedonia!

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Well, they're certainly not greek. They're Bulgarians LARPing as greek. It's an international misstake and they should never have existed.

>>2995743
What even is the difference between Bulgarians and Greeks other than language?

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>>2995511
If Alexander the Great was Greek then this man would have gotten the answer right when he said Alexander was a Greek on this game show. Thankfully, the show knew he was from Modern-day Macedonia and was therefore Macedonian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AdgCe0cf9g

>>2995534
>Salonica more Slavic than FYROM
Sounds about right

>>2995720
The whole ancient claim on Macedonia as being Greek is complete bullshit. For about 3400 years there were Greek people but not a unified Greek kingdom or Republic of any kind. Greeks weren't called Greeks because of the country they came from but the region.

So for about 300 years most of today's Macedonia was part of the Ancient Macedonian Kingdom, the fact that around 600 AC Slavs came about and started fucking and integrating into native population doesn't mean Macedonia has any less of a claim to the name.

The fact that Greeks are afraid that Greeks who live in the area of the Ancient Kingdom of Macedonia might merge with Macedonia or that Macedonia might lay claim to the area just shows that Greeks have no true claim to the name or the area them selves.

Again Ancient Greeks considered us as inferior, lower class, barbarians and so forth, they never saw Macedonians as Greeks and that is Greece Achilles heel. There is evidence of it in writing and it could be used by locals to separate them selves from Greece.

So fuck off with all this BS.

>>2995746
History, culture, ethnicity, take your pick.

>>2995760
Aren't they ethnically the same Balkan gypsy shit?

>>2995256
One time I dreamed that they were a bunch of butthurt slavs

>>2995758
No need for the hostility friendo. Take it up with my ex

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>>2995780

>>2995256
They are macedonian in a sense that they are a slavic people that settled in the region of macedonia and developed its own identity
>muh slavs larping as greeks
The original macedonians weren't ethnically greek (disputable), they were hellenized. Or at least they were very distinct from other greeks, even viewed as barbarians in the hellenic world

>>2995758
>The fact that Greeks are afraid that Greeks who live in the area of the Ancient Kingdom of Macedonia might merge with Macedonia or that Macedonia might lay claim to the area just shows that Greeks have no true claim to the name or the area them selves.
There are ethnic Macedonians that lives in Greek Macedonia that were Slavic speaking and are forcibly Hellenized since the end of WW2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Front_(Macedonia)
>This new line of the KKE increased the mobilization rate of ethnic Macedonians (which even earlier was considerably high), but did not manage, ultimately, to change the course of the war. At the battles of Vitsi and Grammos, in which the government forces deployed napalm bombs and artillery barrages, the DSE was expelled from Greece. As Yugoslavia had closed its borders to Greece, the evacuation was conducted through Albania.
>Napalm

>>2995534
R1A is north iranic first and slavic later, the countries with the most R1A are tajikstan and polandia and they are both schythians

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>>2995784

>>2995801
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_speakers_of_Greek_Macedonia#Education_and_language
>There is, of course, the very interesting Ausbau sociolinguistic question as to whether the language they speak is Bulgarian or Macedonian, given that both these languages have developed out of the South Slavonic dialect continuum...In former Yugoslav Macedonia and Bulgaria there is no problem, of course. Bulgarians are considered to speak Bulgarian and Macedonians Macedonian. The Slavonic dialects of Greece, however, are "roofless" dialects whose speakers have no access to education in the standard languages. Greek non-linguists, when they acknowledge the existence of these dialects at all, frequently refer to them by the label Slavika, which has the implication of denying that they have any connection with the languages of the neighboring countries. It seems most sensible, in fact, to refer to the language of the Pomaks as Bulgarian and to that of the Christian Slavonic-speakers in Greek Macedonia as Macedonian.

People are probably mostly assimilated ancient Macedonians with influx of other people.
Culturally speaking it has nothing to do with ancient Macedonia. Ancient Macedonia is part of ancient Greek history, and Greeks are right about that.

>>2995762
haha, no, far from.

>>2995823
Elaborate. They both look brown to me.

>>2995826
This only means that you don't know much about the region, not anything about the region itself.

>>2995834
So which one of them is not brown?

>>2995840
All the Yugos I've met have been blue eyed, for one.

ps. thats an extremely American thing, brown and notBrown

>>2995716
Slovakia's prevalent one is actually R1a tho

>>2995751
He was born in Pella, though. As was his father.
That's in Greece.
How is some gameshow a reputable source?

>>2995717
Are you telling us that Alexander the Great spoke in a slavic language?

>>2995865
He ws born in Macedon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(ancient_kingdom)

>>2995840
Gypsies and turks are the brown people in the balkans.

>>2995915
You are an idiot he was born in the city of Pella, which is clearly located in modern day Greece. The presenter said "He was born in Macedon".

>>2995256
not a hint of greek so no

>>2995268
>Since when did macedonians consider themselves as the actual old macedonians?

Since Ancient Times. they may have switched it up linguistically, but the Bulgarization of them is a very new phenomenon. Their ethnicity has always been Macedonian. Since the days of Alexander.

>>2995256
Aren't Macedonians more Paeonians, anyway? Why not name the country Paeonia? It looks very nice! Or, were the Paeonians an ancient off-shoot of the Macedonian people?

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>>2995758
>Hellenization moves east after Alexander conquers Persia.
>Not Macedonization

Given that Macedonian was a member of the Hellenic culture group, but hated by outright Hellenes for being "barbaric" and "uncivilized", I would say that Greece has good claim on the ancient Macedonian territories it owns today.

Furthermore, virtually ALL of the Macedonian dynasties (Lysimachids, Antigonids, Argeads, etc) came from what it now modern day Greece. Pella, Thessalonike, Aige, some of the most important cultural, economic, and population centers of Macedonia? All in Greece. Perhaps the reason Greece holds such strong claims to Alexandrian conquests and history is because that is WHERE ALEXANDER WAS FROM.
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Macedonians today are just one of the reasons people today are so fond of ethno-revisionism.

Carthaginians were North-African/Semitic mixed peoples.
Ancient Macedonians were cousins to the Greeks
Not all Egyptians were Nubian, not even most
Jews are Semitic peoples
Africa has over 2000 ethnicities

DEAL. WITH. IT.

>>2995256
Macedonia is 100% Macedonian, i.e. its territory is 100% within the modern geographic region of Macedonia (Vardarska Makedonija) despite Greece and Bulgaria holding the rest. The population is Orthodox and culturally and linguistically Slavic, it has been for a thousand years. The population is ethnically closest to Bulgaria, before the world wars most of the population was Bulgarian orthodox, and thus considered itself Bulgarian, yet Macedonia's central and multi-ethnic population, its delayed independence created a unique regional identoty based on a struggle, first for unification and then, once it was realized that unification of Macedonia with Bulgaria could only happen if Macedonia was partitioned, independence was favored. The leaders of the independence struggle were mostly Republicans, and they believed that dividing Macedonia would impact its economical growth, and they were appaled that foreign monarchs could play games with the poor population and eventually settled on independence only. During this time a regional Macedonian identity was strengthened, as Bulgarian sponsored organizations started infiltrating the internal Macedonian organizatiom, creating diversitory rebellions in order to get the great powers to intervene in Macedonia in Bulgarian favors, these rebelkions didnt aim for liberation and were crushed, at the great suffering of the local populations who endured brutal reprisals by the Turks. Fast forward a few world wars and the people were tired of war and being told who they were, so they gladly accepted the new national identity being pushed by the communits. In 1991 whem Mavedonia proclaimed independence the ancient bullshit was put on the stage in order to combat Albanian "native" claims to its territory. And it all got out of hand. Sorry for the typos im on my phone.

>>2996123
>modern geographic region

Makedonia is part of Greece, the FYROM occupies a tiny fraction of Makedon and NONE of the historic sites of Makedon, including the birthplace of Alexander and his forefathers.

FYROM calling itself "Makedon" is like Belgium renaming itself "Holy Roman Empire".

>>2995762
Nowadays, but originally, no not at all. Bulgarians were nomads from somewhere around the Caspian Sea who invaded in the Middle Ages.

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>>2995256
No, Greece is more Macedonian than they are.

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>>2996404
Meanwhile, Theme of Macedonia is mostly in Bulgaria.

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>>2996439
Macedonia of Phillip V

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>>2996447
Roman Province

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>>2996453
To which Macedon are Greeks subscribing?

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>>2996459

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>>2996459

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>>2996468

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>>2996487

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>>2996489
Maybe Greek claim would be stronger if they wouldn't have to enforce hellenization on the population.

Back in the day I wouldn't give two shits about the whole Greek vs Macedonia claim on Ancient Macedonia, but after learning of using napalm, fuck Greeks. They are incompetent anyway.