What is your opinion on how schools in your country teach history?

>>2981966
It's been taken over by SJWs unfortunately. It's all about how bad the three Cs (Caucasians, Capitalism, and Christianity) are.

>>2981966
It's pretty bad to be honest, or at least when it comes to world history, mainly because it is more focused on national history (i live in Chile).

>>2981972
In what way is history taught the way you just described? Where do you live?

>>2982010
America

>>2981966

not even /pol/ but in hindsight there was a LOT of emphasis on how bad the white people were to the not white people. The north-african slave trade wasn't even discussed but they made sure to impress on me I should feel guilt for the sub-saharan slave trade.

t. dutch who had his last history course about 7 years ago

>>2982017
Well that doesn't match my experience in the US. What state and in what way is history taught that it rails against the three things you mentioned?

I went to private schools, so I haven't any idea how retards are taught history

>>2982037
First TX, then CO, then KS.

My experience was a lot like >>2982032. Countless hours on the Islamic Golden Age, the "Dark Ages", the Transatlantic Slave Trade, the Holocaust, the Civil Rights Movement, etc.

No mention of Islamic slavery, the Holodomor, the Greek Genocide, the Armenian Genocide, the Assyrian Genocide, etc.

>>2981966
>If you don't go to school you're stupid.
fucking elitists, just die already

>>2981966
As a Bong, I feel it did have an element of what >>2981972 described, but I came out of the curriculum feeling proud of what my country accomplished, even whilst feeling like we could have fucked the brown people over less whilst accomplishing it.

I just wish that it had been more vague, oddly enough. Like, we should have spent several terms just going over all of human history in broad strokes before going into any detail.

>>2981966
Terribly, as is everything in the average american school. The public school system was a mistake.

>>2982062
We never learned this in TN. Our history was pretty okay actually, but then again I did Honors and International (IB) classes. I'm sure the kids in low level classes learned a shit ton about the civil rights movement and feminism bullshit.

In English we were supposed to read Dracula but our English teacher said it was "Stupid" and prefered to teach us about feminism and talk about her mixed race baby and black husband. Actually... all of our English books were almost entirely about Feminism now that I think about it. I dunno what the lower level kids did, but we really hammered it home with Feminism and race relations in English. Honestly really fucking annoying.

That's not a bad argument.

>>2981966
It was alright i guess, the books and the curriculum, they were generally objective, but gets a bit more nationalistic when talking about national liberation, it does so both in national and global parts of the curriculum, championing an end to multi ethnic empires in favor of nation states. There's a touch of romanticism in there.
It also get a bit commie apologetic.
So there's a bit of right and a bit of left wing bias i noticed.

As for the teachers...
The elementary school teacher was a half Croat half Serb married to a Muslim. Needless to say she had a mental breakdown when teaching about the holocaust and REEEEEEEEEEEED at the class about the evils of nationalism.
The high school teacher was incredibly based, was knowledgeable and had a good sense of humor. He also had a rolling R.

>>2982062
>Islamic Golden Age, the "Dark Ages", the Transatlantic Slave Trade, the Holocaust, the Civil Rights Movement, etc.

What level of /pol/ are you on?

>>2982082

My English teacher had a thing for post-colonialist literature. God damn Toni Morrison but I got back at her by picking Lolita for my mandatory reading list.

>>2982100
Toni Morrison can suck a dick. And it is fucking beyond me why anyone thinks Their Eyes Were Watching God is the best book they have ever read.

>>2981972
>>2982053
>>2982062
>>2982079
>>2982082
>>2982100
>>2982117
Are there any Americans that aren't /pol/ at this point?

Seriously, if learning that Muslims did good things, the fall of Rome led to religious conservatism (dunno where the fuck you got the idea that people push the Dark Ages meme, my Marxian professors and California teachers pretty much quelled the Dark Age meme at ever opportunity), you're fucked up in the head

The Holodomor was a famine and political bullshit, and the other genocides you mentioned are either minor footnotes they mentioned or so minor and unrelated to other things they aren't worth mentioning.

14 million people died in the Holocaust and an entire religion was virtually wiped off a continent. It's you know, the big one.

Why do we learn about atomic bombs being dropped more than other bombs

>>2981966
that is one strange looking man

>>2981972
first post best post

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>>2982143
Don't group me in with /pol/ autists you fucking shitstain. Regardless of your political opinion it's obvious that the American education system is worthless and hopelessly broken. Yes I'm mad.

>>2982143
>SLURP SLURP
THANK YOU SIR, PLEASE LET ME CONTINUE
>SLURP SLURP

Massachusetts citizen here. The public education here is great and is globally competitive. The rest of the states are shit at education, it seems to me.

>>2982157
When the contentions are things like "They teach that muslims have contributed to society", "They teach the Holocaust and Civil Rights", there's too much feminism in literature. and you think the American education system is anticapitalist you're /pol/

>>2981966
More what happened in our own country and less of what happened in Europe (and the world) as a whole. Also less white guilt, we were not even a colonial power ffs...

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>>2982171
MUH POL BOOGEYMAN!!!!!!

>>2982160
This is a Blue board, you belong on /pol/

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>>2982179
>MUH POL BOOGEYMAN!!!!! AHHHHHH
Sorry Ahmed, not everybody wants to learn about the history of the religion of piss

>>2982178
So am I really the only one in the world who pays attention to history and isn't redpilled on the greatness of Western Civilisation and the Negro's inferiority.

>>2982171
Except I didn't mention any of those things, you illiterate mongoloid. Learn to read before you try to argue.

>>2982184
Bringing up blacks for no reason
Damn you're mad, LOL!

>>2982185
Then it was a mistaken (you), you're a little too upset over getting an accidental (you)

>>2982178
>>2982182
Retard meme

>>2982179
We're allowed to have different opinion here anon

>>2982171
I loved when we learned about muslims and the holocaust, a lot of it was eye opening. My problem was when I take an English class and they solely cover Feminism and Race relations, I am not really learning much about American literature or literature in general. I couldn't tell you shit about war literature or most non-feminist poetry.

>>2982190
Yeah, I am, because you guys make actual converation push bullshit that makes this board garbage

I think Holocaust Denial should get you permabanned desu

>>2982179
There are no blue boards. You need to go back.

>>2982199
You don't know how good of a thing that is.

You don't want classic novels to be ruined by the fact that you read it when you were 16.

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>>2982200
Now you're bringing up holocaust denial for no reason
Damn you're autistic lmao

>>2982184
No, you're not. The term "red pilled" literally makes me cringe now. It's getting pretty ridiculous, yeah I understand that learning about different feminist movements or Marxism or whatever every course can get a bit annoying, but some of its genuinely interesting. And there's so much other good shit taught I find it hard to care.

The only ones that usually flip about this sort of thing are the insecure little storm fags who are upset that their worldview is being challenged.

They can't really go into details about anything because there is so much ground to cover. History education is basically cliff notes.

They can't go much into the crusades other than it happened, which is where everyone seems to have the wrong idea about it ad not as the 'my team controls the check point!' pissing match over who gets a pilgrimage site, a Mediterranean port town, and who the local Christians and Muslims pay taxes to. Freaking nobody knows the political or social context of the crusades, especially not the Middle-eastern part.

Slavery is important to talk about because black people in America are about 10% of the population, a significant portion. Plus slavery also ties into how Americas government was structured and a major cause of the civil war, you gotta talk about it because that shits important, yo.

Holocaust is important, because A) WW2, and B) Jews are about 2% of the population. Thus the story of the holocaust is the story of a large number of Americans, and thus apart of American history.

Native Americans are 1%-ish, that might not seem like a lot but that's 1 in 100 people. Its important to talk about not-white people in America because they are apart of our civilization.

Women's literature is important because there are lots of important women out there with more power than you, stop bitching. Also realize 'the yellow wallpaper' is a good story.

>>2982143

why are Californians self important dolts?

>>2982167
Went to high school back there, can confirm. Seeing my nephew's go to schools in the south and California is fucking worrying, the amount of shit they don't teach is startling. I'm pretty much their history teacher, but that's only by request.

>>2982200
(((You)))

>>2981966
I think we had two years of history in elementary school and then four more in high school (grammar school) and I think it did quite a good job of covering the important stuff considering it was elementary school basics of everything from Ancient Egypt to the 2000s and then the same in four years on a high school level, covering the history of our country as well as the wider world history. Of course, it could always be better if more time was allocated to teaching history and making it a bit less about names and dates and more about showing a more connected view of world history throughout the ages, showing cause and effect and making kids think instead of just memorising. But I suppose that's not contained just in history.
I can't talk about university history education because I didn't go in that direction, although I did think about doing it.

>>2981966
Terribly, the teachers usually skim over all the important parts then spend a third of the semester on whatever their historical fetish is, like Woodrow Wilson for one of my teachers back in high school.

>>2982232

that's "a part", not "apart,"

you absolute mongoloid, you've done that at least twice in that shallow post

you're effectively saying that they are separate from our civilization every time you do that

ffs

the absolute state of the English language amongst the millennial plebeians in this disrespected country...

>>2982143

I'm neither American or /pol/ you fucking faggot, but I'm glad you feel the quality of your post is so fucking great that you can reply to 8 fucking people at the same time with one single post you humongous fucking faggot.

>>2982270
You just reek of faggotry. Nobody cares about spelling here on an anonymous anime image board.

>>2982232


t. retardo who doesn't understand not everyone here is from the US.

>>2982171
>When the contentions are things like "They teach that muslims have contributed to society",

Except NOBODY made that contention. The problem was with the disproportionate amount spend on such subjects relative to other subject.

>>2982303

it's not spelling, it's a different word you ignorant sot

>>2982325

hell, it's even basic fucking grammar!

>>2982157
>pol autists
u are them retardedmanlet

>>2982178
>pol isn't here
>its the militant left
no normal people of all denominations are sick of you meme slinging apes

maybe if u ever said something novel we wouldn't blame pol

>>2982232
or you know, women's literature could be taught as part of general literature

>>2982350

Oh, I wasn't implying it should be a separate subject.

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>>2981966
> there are people who look up to this cuck

>>2982350
>taught
you mean the passing over of a few books and a few reviews you can do in a HS class because people are so fucking lazy and expectations so low?

i feel like you didn't take an english course beyond 100s

>>2982360

when did purses become fashionable for men to keep about them?

>>2982325
Still don't give a shit, anybody can still understand what he was communicating. It's not like anybody proof reads their posts.

You... cantankerous flapper?

>>2982364
>Not keeping a satchel by your side

>>2982370

The thing is I don't think proof reading would have done him any good.

If your posts are idiotic nonsense pockmarked with exceptionally annoying grammar then you're going to have it!

About 8 years of learning about native tribes
>muh pemmican
>muh Buffalo
>muh noble savage
Literally two weeks on the world wars, a little about the Napoleonic wars, then the Cold War.
T. Leaf

>>2981966
Romania, history is shit here. You either have retarded teachers spew western propaganda or no teaching at all. Its extremely rare to find a decent teacher

>>2982143
>14 million people died in the Holocaust and an entire religion was virtually wiped off a continent. It's you know, the big one.
Get the fuck out of here. It's important, sure. But to teach it to the extent that it is in American schools is ridiculous. I had five courses with segments dedicated exclusively to the Holocaust in high school. We spent more time learning about the Holocaust than both World Wars combined. It's also taught in such a way that it's clearly the most evil thing in history, with no other event approaching it in moral repugnance, with the possible exception of the Rwandan Genocide. We ignore the fact that Human history is written in the blood of genocide victim.s

>>2982385
I just know I don't put nearly a fraction as much care into what I post here compared to some official document or what I had to do for essays. This post almost had hear instead of here just cuz I I don't analyze my typing on 4chan. Being a grammar Nazi in this setting usually derails the whole argument and really just comes across as avoiding the topic at hand.

>>2981972
burger education lmao

>>2982393

Disgraceful really, where's your indifference to the indians spirit?

We learned about that fanciful confederacy the indians put together to combat settlers, but really other than the trail of tears they only made mention in my own schooling when they happened to be at war with the united states.

Although you could not turn on PBS without seeing a historical documentary about the Seminole war and the like.

>>2982393
Poor Canuck. Did they at least cover the history of hockey?

>>2981966
Surprisingly balanced and impartial. I am highly pleased by their quality, I just wish they were more comprehensive. But, you know, there is a limited number of class days. The books are pretty meme-free, too.

>>2982412
My goal is to make a brewery called Trail of Beers and focus sales in reservations.

>>2982407

there's being a grammar nazi, and then there's just being annoyed by someone typing like they were held back in the 2nd grade

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>>2982420

>trail of beers

absolutely capital!

>>2982393
That's one of the things that I missed from history classes. We touched upon colonisation of the Americas, fast forwarded to American independence war (although it was a minor part - we talked about the French revolution more) and then again for the civil war. There were Aztecs and Mayas in the book but we never got there in the actual classes. But I suppose it was not so important and I read about it on my own before that anyway.

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>>2982062
Born and raised in TX and this wasn't my experience at all.

Yeah I learned about the Islamic Golden Ages and the Civil Rights Movement, but they definitely weren't taught in a way that was trying to push a "fuck whitey" narrative.

I also learned a lot about the Armenian genocide and I remember learning about all the major East African city states and their ties to slavery.

I think you're just full of shit

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>>2981966
Here in California it is pretty even keel. I have no idea what everyone here is talking about.

The Missions signaled the beginning of end for Californian natives as cultures and resulted in a high loss of life, yet we are also taught that the Missionaries weren't bad people and they did what they thought was right even though it didn't work out well and their values may have been different from ours. The civil war was absolutely about slavery but due respect was given to individual soldiers. World history was pretty big on Mesoamerica and South America with cursory look at Africa and Asia except for early history (Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece). Probably could have focused a bit more on Rome. Colonialism was pretty broad and nonspecific. They put a big focus on the clusterfuck of politics leading up to WW1 but not much on the war itself. Only a couple class sections focused on the Holocaust and, the rest was tactics and big picture stuff. I wish we had focused more on the Pacific and Eastern Fronts.

In all, it felt like we touched a lot of things but weren't able to linger too long since we had so much ground to cover, though I was a history nerd so I may be a bit more critical.

>>2982250
>Seeing my nephew's go to schools in the south and California is fucking worrying
I feel you man. I come from a family of teachers and they tell me the system is a clusterfuck.

>>2981972
>>2982062
>>2982143
At no point did I feel like it was being unfair to whites. We don't learn as much about the Islamic Slave Trade for the same reason the Taiping Rebellion is left out, it had little impact on the country the histories are being taught in. We are taught about the Atlantic Slave Trade and the Holocaust because those were important to western history. Why would they go out of their way to discus an atrocity which had very little effect on our culture, politics or demographics with the limited time we had? Just to preserve the feelings of a bunch of asshurt /pol/tards?

>>2982420
Why is it that puns are only ever funny if they are in some way hurtful?

>>2981966
>I as an individual need to directly benefit from a government programme in order for paying for that programme to be justifiable
Why is America so cancerous?

>>2982466

why are you cancerous?

>>2982469
No u.

>>2982462

for myself world history was divided into ancient and modern, and only touched on south/ central america when it came time for the conquistadors to come a 'knockin

the focus was in the relevant european realm, or asia

starting with the fertile crescent, sumer, and the like

>>2981972
I fucking wish I'd learned anti-capitalism in HS instead of "le ebil gommunism killed 100 trillion billion innocent children"

>>2982505

you should have learned a little of both with the excesses of the gilded age being front and center through American history following the civil war

>>2982143
Sad!

>>2982465
Because dark humor makes light of a tragedy, the contrast must have something to do with it.

>>2982456
>my experience in the 2nd largest state in the country was different from yours, ergo you're lying

>>2981966
flag (m00txico)
it's shit, i dunno if they have jumped in the WE WUZ pool but when i was a kid i remember the government-printed textbooks had scarce text, mediocre pictures and figures, and even some grammatical errors
also they painted a rosy picture of the mexican revolution as if it had gotten us to a much better relation between each other and our country and others

>>2982143
>14 million people died in the Holocaust
I'm pretty sure it was 11 million

>>2982526
Public school in Texas is pretty much the same in all the big cities. The guy I was replying to may have been to a private school or he went to some shitty school in the rural counties.If the latter is true, I doubt they were teaching him the evils of capitalism and how evil whitey is.

>>2982693
>People

>>2981966
All schools fail abysmally in doing what they are there to do. They teach subjects, they teach language, they do not teach students exactly how to learn and what might interest them to learn, instead they go the route of rote learning.

99% of all information learned in school is useless and is just arbitrary shit they use to show you can "learn" and "remember" what is taught, critical thinking and judgement goes out the window and we have a world full of idiots.

Croat here. The curriculum is fine, though 19th century Croatian history is boring af. Some of the right wingers want more time dedicated to the War of Independence but they are just spewing shit. There's enough time dedicated to it in school and everyone learns about it from their parents and the culture anyway.
There's also a big curricular reform that some of the left wing is pushing for (and it'll probably fail), but I don't know if they want any notable changes regarding history, to be honest.

I had great teachers and professors, and I think that's what matters the most. Whenever the one in primary school (ages 11-15 here) started talking, the whole class would immediately become silent and attentive, not because we feared her but because she was such a good speaker. Keep in mind, this was a large group of otherwise dumb and loud teenage boys - but we would all listen to her anyway. No other teacher could create such a silence, except for one who was a bitch whom we feared.
The guy in high school (15-19) was extremely demanding and seemingly unpredictable, but if you "worked him out" he was the best. In the first two years I'd piss blood to get a decent grade but in the last year he gave me the highest final grade on the basis of two essays and a written exam that I did not completely fuck up. He was the scariest prof we had - one time when we were screwing with some other prof he walked down the stairs and we, expecting him to react, dispersed like a scared flock of pigeons. It probably looked really ridiculous, since we were 18 at the time, not really children. We didn't even know if he knew what was going on and I doubt he could punish us at all, but we feared him nonetheless.
At the same time he was a total bro, commenting on the current political events, exchanging jokes with a student who was a neo-fascist/ustasha and screwing with the obnoxious commie/atheist guy. He also had extreme breadth of knowledge. All in all, the most memorable prof I've had.

>>2983017
Sorry for blogging, I got carried away

Argentine here

The 6th to 9th grade you learn about western history, from pre history to ww2.
The last 3 years are Holocaust, nazis, Argentina in the WW2 period, peronism, anglo-argentine conflicts/falklands and then white/mid class guilt about our de facto goverments and mostly shitting on the upper class.

>>2981983
Learn your nations history before you learn the history of the world, you leftist cuck.

People here the US try to play up the SJW bogeyman way too much. Only in rare isolated cases is it taught that whites are evil, etc.

>>2981966
I'm an American. I don't think it matters much how schools here teach history. What matters is that most people don't have the slightest bit of interest in history. In any case, compulsory schooling rustles my jimmies. The idea that you can force people to become intellectual just seems plain wrong to me. People become learned because they naturally want to open their minds. You can't open minds by hammering people with weird authoritarian structures.
As for the actual material that I remember from school... well, the textbooks were actually pretty thick and seemed decent. But none of the classes ever had any hope of doing anything more than skimming the surface of the the textbooks.

>>2982143
>14 million people died in the Holocaust

OY VEY IT WAS WORSE THAN TWO SHOAHS

>>2983301

it certainly was not a party to the history classes in grade school or HS for me

but then, I did not attend a public school

>>2981972
The only history teacher I know is a Trump voter is his 20s who sells weed.

It has not been taken over by SJWs. It's been taken over by a wide variety of people

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Bong here, our history teaching is shit. Absoloutely shit from my experience. I dont think the rest of the country fairs any better . We skipped major parts of history that still influence us today like World War 2 and just generally important heritage like World War 1 etc. The only times we studied either were for rememberance days and that was only watching a 5 minute video clip of dead soilders and skinny death camp jews whilst Adele music played in the background.
In replacement of this we studied the slave trade, by watching roots and shit. And occasionally doing social history about how Victorians lived.
>one time for rememberance day we studied world war 1 once and we were asked about the causes of it. I answered saying their were a few causes but it was mostly an alliance farce triggered by Archduke Ferdinands assasination.
>She answered by saying we wont go into all that debate, it was too difficult and that it was just his assasination.
>We were studying GCSE level History at the time which is aged around 14/15. And my class was the top set (the highest achieving)
I dropped history because I despised how they taught it. I could go on all day about it. The worst thing is they dont teach that theres more to learn, they dont say "oh there were other things involved also" they go about it like "this is it, and only this" so you get retards who speak about something they dont know about as if they were proffesors in it.

>>2983323
>What matters is that most people don't have the slightest bit of interest in history.
that's a function of having shit teachers. I had a string of shitty, forgettable history teachers, but it only took one really good one to make me fucking love history. In America we pay our teachers shit wages and then wonder why it attracts shit talent.

> In any case, compulsory schooling rustles my jimmies.
It's the cost of living in a democracy: An educated citizenry is the most effective insurance against tyranny. One of Plato's most enduring criticisms of Athenian Democracy was that uneducated rubes elect comedians and religious demagogues run their government.

And if you don't force people to become educated, 99% of them won't take the initiative to educate themselves, and I for one don't want to live in a country dominated by illiterate NEETS without a future

>>2981966
the problem lies not in what is taught but how it is taught. k-12 history classes which should be used to get children interested in the subject are often described as dull because they only ask students to memorize dates and basic facts. What they should be doing is asking students to think critically about events. ex: when did napoleon attack this city? vs why did napoleon decide to attack this city and why did he decide to do it at this time? College classes (at least where I go) are much better at getting students to think this way, they also teach students about research and develop writing skills.

>>2982017
bullshit.

Italian reporting in.
Education in my country is uneventful, and a bit too rigid in its structure. Everyone who will study diligently will come out of high school somewhat knowledgeable in pre-calc 1, they'll now some scientific notions that they can't possibly understand, they'll know a bunch of summaries of books they've not read, they'll know how to write texts of no literary value (in fact no insight on creative writing is given, what is expected from you is only to write essays), they'll know some dates in history and they'll have insufficient informations about some of the most well known philosophers' works. Basically, even if you ace it you will still be incompetent in every possible field, there is no condition of excellence for which you can become truly good at something in high school.
The programs are rigid, and propedeutic to nothing, not even basic critical judgement. The teachers and professors know it, so they just become somewhat laissez-faire, tolerating everything that is only slightly above absolute negligence. Once you go to university not only you'll discover that you know nothing, but you'll also see how unefficient were those programs, and that with even the slightest guidance you could have actually learned something.
Students in university are more desperate compared to the usual European student, for they ALWAYS have to start from scratch, not only when it comes to building their erudition, but also when it comes to build the discipline needed to excel in academic contexts, which is also never taught in high school. To be a great student you will usually be fine with 5 hours of lessons and 3 hours of individual studying: this will get you the best grades, but in university it's not sufficient.
Universities are riddled with nepotism, and desperate students slave away for decades for their professors in order to get tenure. Researchers rarely manage to support themselves with their salary, which makes the academic life particularly grim.

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>>2983663
>One of Plato's most enduring criticisms of Athenian Democracy was that uneducated rubes elect comedians and religious demagogues run their government.

Doesn't that sound familiar?

>>2982456
Okie here, my schooling was the same way and I lived in the most bumfuck rural town you could imagine.

>>2981966
"Memorize these dates and gloss over important context and meaning. Oh btw, here's an inference heavily skewed by my political views and not on actual historical fact. Fuck Trump."

- US History 2017.

>>2981966

Approximately 1 percent of history in 12 years of public schooling was devoted to the Cold War, the two World Wars and the revolution combined. The rest was 80 percent Jim Crow, 10 percent slavery and 9 percent Manifest Destiny.

>>2984204

*American History

As far as Global history goes, The British Empire was brought up in one or two lessons, ancient Greece was a topic maybe once. I don't think there was a single lesson on Rome.

>>2982225
i'm with ya man. Redpilled always reminded me of some little middle school shit phrase that is just trying to impress someone.

>>2983954

>pay our teachers shit wages and then wonder why it attracts shit talent.

Shit talent yields shit wages. Most American teachers are garbage, because the good ones are usually young and fresh teachers that get marginalized by the old hags with tenure.

My school had insane overturn of young talented teachers because there is zero upward mobility. Our school's old ass music teacher preferred to be a substitute until a new music teacher came along. The new guy was great, but then the old bitch decided she wanted to teach music again. The new guy spent the rest of the year as a hall monitor.

>>2983393
He isn't the establishment though dumbass that's just some guy.
I'll tell an anecdote too, one of my high school teachers was a ""conservative"" who showed us vice documentaries all day

>>2983107
We need Mi General again to teach this generation of cucks

I'm an American who pretty much went to AP classes his entire high school career. I also tutoured alot of retards in lower level classes so I feel like I'm a pretty good source for how bad the public school system is in the United States.

>Go to high school in Florida
>Be taught about the Holocaust more than both world wars combined
>Literally entire chapters dedicated to the fucking Holocaust every goddamn year
>Learn about things like the boxer rebellion with zero context
>Be told the Ottoman empire was crumbling before the first world War but not told why
>Nationalism is never actually explained so most kids aren't aware national identities are a recent construct.
>Armenian genocide never mentioned
>Kids are taught that Japan invaded pearl harbor but aren't necessarily taught why they did
>Thousands of diverse American Indian tribes are grouped into one egalitarian feminist society because fuck nuance I guess
>Tries to make equivalences between public executions in Europe and Aztec blood sacrifices

Granted I get why there was a lack of nuance. It's hard to teach classes like world history in just one year. But it's hard to excuse how much is glossed over.

>>2984823
Also. Some minor things I left out.

>Most kids aren't taught what communism is. All they know is that it existed. They literally can't explain it.
>History teacher conflates moors with black Africans when a kid asks if there were ever any "great African kingdoms".
I get it's a bit autistic but it bothers me that kids are going around actually believing that moors were all Sub Saharan Africans.
>Imperial Japan's war crimes in Asia glossed over completely.
>Eurocentric is a weird masochistic way.

>>2982393
Same thing, but also add in Louis Riel a real nigga dindu nuffin, and also a ton of muh lions led by lambs memery on the WW1.

its okay, very wide knowledge, a bit lagging behind on latest things but thats ok

until ww2, then it goes whitewashing and almost we dinonuffin, it was the evil nazis, all 50 of them deported 400k of our citizens
and the commies too, nobody ever collabaroted with them, the agents writing reports are just not real, but we wont open the archives haha

My school's Australian history class had to be shut down because no-one fucking wanted to do it. Want to know why?
hint: replace "Australian" with "aboriginal", "women" and "progress"
VICTORIA YES

Indian here who went to the Federal board affilated school for history.

We were generally taught rather nicely about how the history of the subcontinent worked and how the transition from IVC to the Janapadas worked with plenty of pics of archaelogical digs. Things like the neolithic age were also explained rather nicely.

One of my most favourite thing was that at the end of every chapter they would also show how stuff was happening at the rest of the world. When we were learning about the mughals they also explained that in europe the discovery of america was making spain an enormous power but it's navy was destroyed when the spanish tried to invade england.

All in all the books themselves were nice enough to make me like history.

>>2982462
California here also,
Despite shortcomings in the school system I feel like history was taught extremely fairly.

>>2981966
Czech here,

it is full of relics from communism like heavy nationalistic bias and pathos, lot of uncritical focus on Hussites or straight up Marxist historiography. Modern history is ignored, you'll get lucky if the teacher gets to the interwar war.

>>2984832
you gonna make them read das capital?

>>2981966
I'm Dutch and our curriculum is crammed with events and history that formed the basis for the country we live in today. We get general history up until the Renaissance, then it starts focusing more on the history of our own country. While the curriculum is pretty okay, I wish it would focus more on the extraordinary and interesting events of lesser importance that make history as a subject so fun.
Besides that, how you perceive history as a subject in high school depends almost entirely on your teacher.

>>2981966
I'm American, and what >>2984823 >>2984832 said is pretty accurate. History never grabbed me in high school, and looking back now, that pisses me off a lot. I got into history on my own time and effort, and the fact that our high school history classes are so fucked is a big part of why I decided to go into history education. I want to give students the sort of education in history I think they should have, and that I sure as hell didn't get.

>>2981966
Slovakia

I had bad history and literature teachers (or maybe the curriculum was terrible) that was heavily focused on memorizing precise dates and years events occurred, reciting dictated notes on demand and heavily punishing errors in spelling however minor.

I learned that scholastic nationalism is an oxymoron that teaches ignorance. 90% of all subjects were about how great our literary works are and how great our national heroes are, but all you had to do to pass was memorize dates and events.

Sources were old commie era books handed down for the last 10 years. The entire experience felt like a long trivia course with occasional assignments that had to describe literary works precisely how the teachers wanted.

>>2985331
Same in Slovenia except the books were newer. My history professor always tried to find mistakes and even questioned my answers because they weren't the few simplified points she read from her powerpoint but in the end, I knew more about the topics than she did so she had to give me the 5s.
And seriously, I will never forget her using a map of the Roman Empire from the Alternate Histoy Forum where the empire stretched down to Somalia and the end of the Arabian peninsula

New Zealand here

I learned about Elizabethan England, the Vietnam War, some of the events leading up to WW2, South African Apartheid, the Transatlantic Slave Trade and the Black Civil Rights movement in America.

There was not a single part of the course dedicated to New Zealands history apart from a brief segment on the Treaty of Waitangi and how that means it's okay for us to get fucked in the ass by Auckland Iwi on a regular basis. The Vietnam stuff had some NZ shit since we fought in it but it was the minority, ye olde England was interesting but not relevant, fucking Martin Luthor King Jr.? What the fuck does he have to do with New Zealand at any point of time ever? We don't even HAVE blacks.

I finished high school history and the only New Zealand Prime Minister whose actions were looked at was Holyoake, and only in that he was the boss during Vietnam. None of the Brit monarchs who actually ruled New Zealand were covered at all, even George during the WW2 segment. No discovery, no Land Wars, no New Zealand figures, no development of our government, no context or reason for anything.

History education in New Zealand is a fucking joke.

>>2984005
Well same for my country although with a bit less obvious bias

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>>2982143
>The Holodomor was a famine and political bullshit, and the other genocides you mentioned are either minor footnotes they mentioned or so minor and unrelated to other things they aren't worth mentioning.
Guess how I know you're a commie?

>>2983954

He is wrong though. Athenian Democracy didn't elect the politicians, they were selected by lottery. The idea being that electing politicians would constantly elect wealthy and influential people and thus be an aristocracy.

>>2981966
For the most part in America, it's left-leaning. Most history classes are taught by liberals and everything we learn is through a pro-liberal filter.

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>>2983640
Man fucking Roots, I've seen that film like 20 times at school, not only in history classes but in Drama and English classes. Fucking christ I'm tired of that film. It brought food bants tho cause we had a friend named Toby and we kept calling him Kunta Kinte or yelling "you're name is Toby!" And making whip cracking noises at lunch

>>2981972
This is true

>muh holocaust
>muh slavery
>nothing much else

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>When your middle school history teacher in central california tried to teach the class that the civil war was about states' rights

>>2981966
Most history is either about the country or the progressions that lead to it and it's current status

Mesopotamia > Egypt > Athens > Rome > England > America

this leaves out a lot of countries though

>>2986575
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLJBzhcSWTk&list=PLwxNMb28XmpeypJMHfNbJ4RAFkRtmAN3P&index=4

>>2982456
I would think the fuck whitey stuff is getting more edge in the current system rather than your 90's version.
I went to a post-bachelor graduation ceremony earlier this summer - and this was for a school of education, i'm talking future leaders of the movement - I never heard the word "social" thrown around with such vigor since my time studying the russian revolution.

Class struggle this, race privilege that, white ppl white ppl white ppl, is was insane.

How should I teach my future class, /his/?

>>2982350
Give me something of value then

>>2982143
Why is it that every year we go over the holocaust, but we never learn about the Armenian Genocide? Or the Ottoman Empire in General?

>>2988043
Be authentic with your students. Make your fondness infectious. Force them to feel history like they were actually there

>>2987746
Well the right for a state to allow the ownership slaves was one of the reasons it went off.

Now if he said slavery had nothing to do with it then he is wrong.

>>2988056
Because of white privilege you dunce.
In Germany it wasn't just jews who died, it was white people.
I'm sure once we're a minority white nation we'll hear more about the "more relevant" genocides.

>>2988043
Don't force any message to them. Just show them the facts, then the different points of views to the same events, letting them make their own opinions.

>>2988070
I am Irish though.

>>2987746

Poor fucker.
>600,000+ men, mostly white, died at the hands of their own brothers solely for the right to oppress kunta kinte

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>>2988095
>Irish fought for both sides, depending on who offered more coin

>>2988095
Not only that, many of them were poor men dying for the right of rich men to have slaves.

You guys know you can read about things without agreeing with them right? I remember writing a paper in a uni english class where I argued that the internet should be banned. It was satire, but during it I learned a lot about control of the internet in other countries and our own and what advocates for internet censorship believe in.

>>2988119
What's more plausible? Sending your own friends and family members to war with each other over slaves or independence?
Consider the presence of slave labor in union states.

>>2982462
>Why would they go out of their way to discus an atrocity which had very little effect on our culture, politics or demographics with the limited time we had? Just to preserve the feelings of a bunch of asshurt /pol/tards?

Because in knowing of such trends being universal, the idea of 'whites are uniquely evil' becomes a farce.

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>>2981966
I'm from Québec, so as you might have guessed if you know literally anything about it, the narrative will, depending on which party is in power or what your teacher believes you'll either be fed nationalist separatist propaganda and be told that Anglos the evil ruling class who exploited the others and repressed their culture or be told that Québec is dependent on the rest of the country, that French Canadians are racist unreasonable crybabies and that the British made everything good here. However, sections on the natives are imo pretty accurate and fair, there being no ''noble savage'', ''evil whitey'' or ''wild injun'' narrative.
I do however only get to see the end of that curriculum (too long to really explain) since I go to a French (as in from France) school so I have the luck to see two different ways of teaching history. In France, unlike what most Americans seems to think, there isn't nearly as much white guilt as in America. Although there are parts of French history that are (justly imo) frowned upon, such as colonialism and slavery, and sections on Muslim history overemphasize the Islamic golden age and ''tolerant'' figures (for the time) like Saladin or certain Ottoman sultans, the curriculum is rather defensive of national figures such as Vercingetorix, Charlemagne, Napoléon I and de Gaulle, and I was surprised when I first found negative portrayals of Napoléon in English language media.

>>2988095
600,000 white men died for their freedom and niggers aren't even grateful today.

And I don't seeing one's face in the catalogue, but we can't have everything

>>2982077
French here, exact same feeling.

>>2988579
>be a descendand of some shit poor shoeless Irish fucker from Indiana or Ohio who got killed fighting to free the niggers
>150 year later niggers blame you and your grandfather for blacks living in their own shit

I don't get all of the people who said that their secondary education had a liberal slant. My high school's version of history, especially other country's histories, was super twisted.

History is generally seen as something that is a secondary job to your main one, generally being a physical education teacher. It's baffling.

>>2988579
Do you thank French or Spanish people living today for American independence?

>>2983640

>The only times we studied either were for rememberance days and that was only watching a 5 minute video clip of dead soilders and skinny death camp jews whilst Adele music played in the background.

Please be fake.

>>2982462
>The Missions signaled the beginning of end for Californian natives as cultures and resulted in a high loss of life, yet we are also taught that the Missionaries weren't bad people and they did what they thought was right even though it didn't work out well and their values may have been different from ours. The civil war was absolutely about slavery but due respect was given to individual soldiers. World history was pretty big on Mesoamerica and South America with cursory look at Africa and Asia except for early history (Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece). Probably could have focused a bit more on Rome. Colonialism was pretty broad and nonspecific. They put a big focus on the clusterfuck of politics leading up to WW1 but not much on the war itself. Only a couple class sections focused on the Holocaust and, the rest was tactics and big picture stuff. I wish we had focused more on the Pacific and Eastern Fronts.

What the fuck..that was accurate. Public education across two states, from kindergarten through 12th grade. This was it, barring a government elective.

>>2982465
Puns are the last thing you expect to hurt you

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>>2988672
>dead soilders and skinny death camp jews whilst Adele music played in the background.

LMAO

Generally speaking, American high schools follows a pretty standard formula when teaching history. Usually it's broken down into a handful of basic chapters or eras, which are more often than not taught as though they were distinctly separate from one another. Usually it's the following:

Native Americans
The 13 Colonies and the American Revolution
Slavery and the Civil War
WW1
The Great Depression
WW2

Sometimes the War of 1812, the Mexican-American War, Reconstruction, the Progressive Era, the Roaring 20's, and the Cold War make it in, although they're usually treated as foot notes or highly compressed.

A lot of people complain that high schools, colleges, and universities are becoming super liberal in their presentation of history, but I've yet to really see that anywhere. I took history at two high schools, two community colleges, two universities, and have done student teaching at three high schools since then and I've never really come across the bleeding heart, white people are the devil stereotype. I think that has more to do with the personal inclinations and interests of the teachers, which leads some people to think the system as a whole is biased, when in reality it's pretty sterilized and dull.

STEMfag here. Went to an extremely engineering heavy school in the US and didn't see any of this shit you mongs are talking about. Maybe it is different in the state schools. I had one class about colonialism that talked about Australian, SA, and Brazilian colonialism, but it seemed pretty fair in it's assessment of what happened. It wasn't "fuck whitey," but did point out that a shitload of natives died. I don't even know how you guys remember biases in high school history courses unless you're <19. All I remember about AP US history was the Whiskey Rebellion only because it was about the only even I hadn't had some exposure to.

I literally just graduated high school last month (I mostly lurk though so im probably not the retard you're arguing against in a different thread) so I think I can weigh in here.

In 5th grade I was in China at this school called Concordia international school Shanghai. We didn't even have a history course when I was there, just a spelling book that had passages using the words we had to learn that were about random historical shit, probably american history, I don't really remember.

After that I moved back to the states and came to a small private school in northern South Carolina.

6th and 7th grade were alright, mostly american history that was dumbed down for middle school kids, but otherwise my teacher was alright. She always tried to introduce dumb projects that we had to do, some of them were fun, like a round table discussion roleplay about the early conservationist movement of the 20th century (I was teddy Roosevelt). Looking back she was probably just scraping he bottom of the barrel for ways to keep us proto-fidget-spinning autists engaged, On the Holocaust front we did a school trip to DC and went to the Holocaust museum there and also read a book from the perspective of a hitler youth and a jewish girl. Overall I'd think that that's about as balanced as a school system can get in america about the holocaust.

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>>2988834
8th grade had the real bad history course. It wasn't even called history, it was called "social studies" but the history portion of it jumped around and we mostly did stuff on Apartheid and world religions.

Everything else about that class was hand-holding baby shit history. We never learned about wars or politics, it was mostly about "contributions to the world" and stuff like that, so when we covered the Mongol Empire the curriculum stressed Pax mongolica, the silk road and their kind of liberal ideas towards religion and shunned talking about the literal millions dead it took them to get to that point.

We also did the dynasties of China, but instead of any kind of politics we just had to know significant inventions from each dynasty, like how the Han invented paper etc.

Freshman year was ancient history, which wasn't at all informative but it was comfy as hell because my teacher was nice and kind of crazy about studying the historical origins of myth. Most kids thought it was boring but I thought it was easy and fun to think about. Looking back I'd probably laugh at all the wewuz-tier theories and ideas he had but to freshman me each one made complete sense.

Honors European history was a literal joke, and pretty much ran as you'd expect. Our teacher was a Brit history PHD so it was pretty fun but we barely covered anything because you cant and still make the 500-odd years timeframe fit into an academic year.

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>>2982178
Looks like Timmy from WKUK.

>>2988861
On the Holocaust front in Euro, we watched Schindler's list and that was that.

APUSH was a pretty good class, I had a good teacher that just came out of retirement to fill in a vacancy when the previous APUSH teacher resigned because he got caught with multiple choice questions for that year's exam in his possession, and he passed them out to his class.

At this point my history teachers choose to gloss over huge events like WW2 and Vietnam because they pretty much assume you know how it went, which is both frustrating and also kind of nice because it frees up time to talk about more obscure interesting shit, like the rise of the American progressive party and the Suez Crisis.

AP Euro was pretty much the same, although the last unit was hugely pro-EU.


Overall, I'd say that my history experience in middle/high school suffered a lot more from lack of time and whitewashing than actual political ideology, but I didn't go to public school so I have no idea what it's like there.

>German here

They told me Germany was on holidays during the 30/40's

>>2981972
Whenever a burger shitpost I'm reminded he have to keep up with this shit and I remember at least I don't have a burger education.

>>2984892
Aboriginal history is fucking shit. Incredibly boring. History during years 7-10 are especially shite, learning mostly nothing.

>>2981966
Tbe teaching programs haven't been updated for years by now. Better yet, they have received additions, but other parts of general history as taught in all grade of compulsory school remained the same, leading to never ever finishing them in their entirety, aside from a few exceptions I will mention.

"History" in Grade school takes its sweet-ass time, to the point the Ministry of Education just up and decied that Grade School's history program had to stop at the Late Roman Empire, instead of trying to cover human history and cut out Earth and Evolution History.

Afterwards... it depends. Some textbooks for Middle Schools have an entire section dedicated to the history of Jews, Roma and "African tribes" (yes, really) that are actually deatached from the rest of the coursework, some others focus on the history of each part of Italy in brief (again, unrelated to the rest of coursework), and some others did the coursework asked from the Ministry period.

High School... eh, it's fair, there's a pro-Eurozone bias overall, but otherwise it's fairly balanced.

>>2981966
I like it. As Brazil is very mixed, we study Africa from the kingdoms to the slavery and further rape.

And Europe too, kinda mainstream package from ancient Greece to Rome until today's days. We study Asia and study the formation of countries, like the US. And obviously, Brazilian history as well.

I personally like because is deep and more than the majority of other countries.

>>2982082
I read dracula in third grade. Teachers should be nailed to crosses.

>>2982143
>14 million people

Please kys anon, where that come from?
Deaths are in the worst case, 11 million, and that is considering homosexuals, Slavs and other people who weren't Jew.
Shut up and do yourself a favor, go study history.

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>>2982143
Oh no, it's retarded

>>2982017
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

you are fucking retarded if you believe that is true, honestly mind boggling.