China Naval Power

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dude wat

>>2981432
China was certainly a naval power in the 1400s. Where are you getting that notion?

>>2981438
>>2981439
Wasn't that more of a brief anomaly?

>>2981467
> brief
designing and building those mothers should have taken a lot of time, resources, manpower and insfrastructure

>>2981479
Something the Chinese always had. Chinese history is one large golden age interrupted by civil wars.

China didn't need to be a great naval power because all the cool trade was overland to the west

>>2981432
I wonder the same, one would think that as they are shit they just float to the island

>>2981479
>>2981485
If the Chinese had a solid shipbuilding tradition, the yuan dynasty shouldn't have had such a hard time finishing off Korea, and wouldn't have needed Koreans to build their ships to invade Japan. That's not even mentioning how crappy the chinese converted junks were.

>>2981536
>Furthermore, it is now believed that the destruction of the Mongol fleet was greatly facilitated by an additional factor. Most of the invasion force was composed of hastily acquired flat-bottomed Chinese riverboats and ships built in Goryeo and all of a similar type.

>According to Goryeosa, Southern Song-type ships were too costly and their construction was too slow, so the traditional types were constructed instead. Such ships (unlike ocean-going ships, which have a curved keel to prevent capsizing) were difficult to use on high seas, let alone during a massive typhoon.

This passage would imply that the Song knew how to build proper ocean vessels but the Yuan went for the cheap and cheerful option instead.

For what geopolitical purpose would they have boats? The Japanese were divided into many warring kingdoms separated occasionally by straits and so every kingdom with a coastline had a few warships, meaning the whole of Japan had many. The Koreans had to deal with the Japanese at sea or else be defeated on land.

But the Chinese were a massive land empire. All of their targets for expansion were connected to the Chinese by land. They had a long coastline, sure, but no enemies which could threaten a naval invasion, knowing that the Chinese army would be waiting for them upon arrival. So why even bother with boats?

>>2981738
Pirates, for one. And a non-insignificant number of islands themselves.

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What is their problem

>>2981780
there´s oil and gas there

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>>2981804
rude as heck though

>>2981804
Don't forget the fish

>>2981877
Not for long!

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>>2981780
>islands should belong to the nearest country

>>2981911
The Falklands weren't within the EEZ of the Argentines though

Funnily enough, Japan wasn't considered a real naval power until 1895/1905. Only the Koreans can be considered to have a real naval tradition before the modern era.

Koreans are fucking gay so it doesn't really matter anymore, though.

>>2982042
but y tho? I keep hearing that about the koreans and it makes as much sense to me as why they keep getting gold in archery.

>>2981432
Because almost invariably countries are considered naval powers when their navy is their main source of power projection, not merely when they have a powerful navy. China relied on its army more than its navy to enforce its will upon its neighbours.

>>2981432
It was, but not so much state-sponsored. Local authorities ended up building some powerful fleets, but the Imperial government was distracted by overland threats to the north and west, so Imperial resources were focused on building land power instead.

>>2981804
>>2981877
True, but secondary. The main reason China needs to stake a claim is because most of their maritime trade runs through that sea. If they don't control it, then the USA will take it over and starve them. The natural resources narrative is pushed by the USA in order to distract from the real issue.

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>>2981804
I wonder if it has anything to do with the US and their allies basically being able to block the entire East China Sea

>>2981780
The first and second island chains are (or were until recently) key US allies or US territory creating a huge defensive ring in the pacific containing China (and Russia).
China wants to gurantee access to international trade routes, even if war breaks out, and thus shattering the US island defence chain and establish Anti-Access and Area Denial defenses is a key to China's long term defence strategy.
China seeks to stake out a claim now, as the longer they are there the more normalised and legitimate their presence will be.
There's also a fear that a soft presence in the SCS will embolden actors in other areas like the Senkaku island dispute, Cross-straight relations or Xijiang

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4WuAcn9FoE

Mainly because information is limited.

>>2981804
Nah, whats more important is national propaganda claims.

>>2983527
are you seriously posting some ancient aliens tier burger TV "documentary" as proof

>>2983537
If you ignore the delusional white hill billies near the end who were into dousing, the rest of the video isn't really that controversial.

The video discusses the supposed discovery of America by the Chinese fleet wreck, but in the video itself the critic debunks this.

>>2983578

Whether they reached America or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is they built a fleet to go exploring around. They did explore around the Pacific down to Australia, found nothing worthy of their attention, turned back home, let their fleet rot in the docks and reaffirmed themselves on the classic chinese motto 'beyond China there be monkeys and barbarians'.

>>2981911
Exactly, Australia should belong to New Zealand.