Christianity caused stagnation of civilization.

Go to sleep Gibbon. And take your Enlightenment memes with you. You're supposed to be dead.

>>2980422
Explain the Byzantine empire, if anything Christinaity sustained them for longer than it would have. Only big weakness they got in that regard was iconoclasm.

Rome was falling with or without christianity. It didn't cause it to fall but it didn't alleviate it either.

>>2980434
Byzanz was part of the stagnation at best and didn't make neither social no technical progress, intellectual work was curbed for centuries by this jewish end time sect.

>>2980446
but that's wrong you idiot

>>2980465
Notable byzantine inventions include...

>>2980446
Rome didn't do create anything technologically, scientifically, or intellectually of note. What they had was feats of engineering but that was a function of manpower not technology or science.

>>2980479
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Byzantine_inventions

>>2980573
>church building techniques and church art
>insignificant modifications on existing technology
>copying what others did and putting byzantine in it

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>>2980579
Yeah, the Byzantines invented nothing. That's why they lasted 1000 years longer than the WRE

>>2980586
>sell silk and spices from asia to europe
>pay others to fight for you or just to fuck off
>this continues for a while
WOW SO MUCH PROGRESS. Amazing.
I am curious what the kebabs would've done in possession of that asian trade wealth, but the Americas and western African coasts were discovered and colonized before they can properly utilize it once they settled down into a set territory and started administrative reforms.
Basically Byzantines ruled while the east was rich, and they died just before the east started getting poor. They lucked out. They did nothing else.

>>2980486
Funny, that's what people say about modern china.

>>2980479
Modern law.
Architectural wonders like the Hagia Sophia and the walls of Constantinople.
Greek fire and all it's ridiculous anachronistic-looking weapons such as flame throwers and grenades.

>>2980604
Modern China is genetically altering human embryos at the moment. There are living babies who were born after being modified for specific desirable traits.

>>2980422
wow really made me think

guess i better go LARP in the woods like an edgy teenager xD le heil Odin my white brother Ave Zeus!

>>2980605
>Modern law.
We have the expression "byzantine law" for a reason. Its not a positive statement and its not a synonym for modern law.
>churches xD
Yes, they built a lot of churches. Hooray them.
>greek fire
They inherited that, didn't invent it. Nor did they invent the more effective means of delivering them to enemy naval vessels.

this thread is terrible. rep**ted

>>2980436
This. The Fall of Rome was a process that spanned centuries and had its roots in issues that were prevalent long before Christianity until it eventually reached a cascading systems failure.

Religious tension certainly didn't help during the 4th and 5th centuries.

That said, Christianity did play a role in creating a unified identity across Europe after Rome fell and that eased some of the transition into the middle ages.

>>2980617
>They inherited that, didn't invent it. Nor did they invent the more effective means of delivering them to enemy naval vessels.
>Source: My ass.

>>2980632
Read Thucydides, he describes it being used 4-5 centuries BC.
There are also assyrian stone carvings showing flamethrowers used to siege.

>>2980640
>Every form of fire used in warfare is greek fire.
The actual formula for what we know as greek fire today was invented in the 7th century in the Byzantine Empire, and it's formula remained a state secret that died with the Empire.
It's like saying the Fluyt ship wasn't a dutch invention because other people made ships before.

>>2980803
>we added vinegar to the mix, its a new chemical now
>we wuz inventors and shiet

>>2980422
>Excellent invention and civilization of ancient Rome was lost by Christianity.
I miss those gruesome wars and occasional genocide with all the slave holding,

>>2980605
Aren't those all just rehashed or taken from the ancient pagan Greeks and Romans. I believe that the Justinian code was just reiteration of Roman law and Byzantine architecture is just copied from the Romans. The same goes for Byzantine fire. A similar weapon was used by ancient Greeks at a point in time and the mechanism for dispersing the fire was just a syphon which again Pagans developed.

>>2980901
>Aren't those all just rehashed or taken from the ancient pagan Greeks and Romans

yes
the romans invented nothing

>>2980915
The architecture and concrete used to create it were Roman. The laws as well were Roman.

stop making incorrect bait threads

>>2980589
This is what a retard looks like, everyone.

>>2980812
Lol idiot. Do you still fill your car with kerosene too?

Implying Europe wouldnt have been chaos without the catholic church keeping everyone in check.

>>2980901
>I believe that the Justinian code was just reiteration of Roman law and Byzantine architecture is just copied from the Romans. The same goes for Byzantine fire. A similar weapon was used by ancient Greeks at a point in time and the mechanism for dispersing the fire was just a syphon which again Pagans developed.
It's almost like the Byzantines were Romans AND Greeks.

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Fuck, I can't find the "hole left by the Protestant reformation" one

>>2980573
To be honest, it's an embarrassingly small list for an empire that inherited directly from the Classical Romans and Greeks and existed for several centuries. It's basically Ottoman tier.

Rome's prosperity and achievements were fueled by expansion. They're weren't even more advanced, they just had enough resources to leave a proper footprint. Keep in mind that the Rome that we dream didn't exist until the 1st century. It was all bricks and mud until some emperor eventually decided to stick some marvel infront of the facades.

>>2980422
>christianity was not Rome after Rome
bait thread

>>2980422

THIS THIS THIS

+1

FUCK religoin..

no.

it was the instability of the fall of Western Rome to the germanic pagan hordes. Once the successor kingdoms stabilized europe and everyone but the northerners were christianized, things got back on track.

in fact christian monks preserved a lot of knowledge in west/north/south europe. since they were literate and the ones making/copying books.

>>2981754
>germanic pagan hordes.

>>2981754
>in fact christian monks preserved a lot of knowledge in west/north/south europe. since they were literate and the ones making/copying books.
preserving knowledge is about the nicest thing you can say about them, they didn't burn some old books and thats about it. They did not study them, they did not learn, they certainly did not improve humanities knowledge. Reading and writing was in large parts monopolized by the church for religious fanfiction.
Stagnation is the correct therm, as Christianity effectively stalled progress.
As soon as we get knowledge back to the people, things like reformation and the downfall of the religious primate happens, and progress skyrockets.

>>2981055
Why didn't they just fly over the water?

>>2981754
>Germanics
>Pagans
The barbarian hordes were thoroughly Christian by the time Rome fell.

>>2981754
>germanic pagan hordes
Alarics was a Christian you uneducated American brainlet.