Who was the worst American president?

Buchanan

DRUMPF

Obongo ruined the US, made the frogs gay and took everyone's guns away.

>>2980145
It would take a lot to do worse than Buchanan.

>>2980161
Drumpf is objectively the most incompetent president

Reagan, Clinton, Grant, JFK

>>2980145
Obama

Because he was a black muslim and shipped all our jobs to China

>>2980145
The "standard" answers (which in my opinion are also the right ones) are: Buchanan, Pierce, and Hoover, in just about that order. Buchanan and Pierce are largely held responsible for the Civil War (especially Buchanan, who was an alcoholic, and spent his time getting drunk in the White House while his country teetered on the brink of collapse). Hoover is largely blamed for the Great Depression. Whether or not he could have fixed it, his response was ineffectual.

Grant isn't as bad as the Big Three, but he's not very well thought-of. Alcoholics don't tend to be good presidents. There's not much love for Carter's presidency either. It wasn't a disaster but there wasn't much to distinguish it. Nixon, LBJ and Andrew Jackson are special cases: too much good and bad for all three of them for them to be rateable.

Reagan is extra special unrateable. Just too polarizing. He's either one of the greats or in the bottom five, depending on your politics.

I'm sure we all have our own opinions of presidents Clinton, W. Bush, Obama and Trump, but in my opinion they're all just too recent to rate, and anyway that's more /pol/ than /his/ and really isn't appropriate for this board.

FDR. He started an entitlement that indebted future generation to the previous generation for generations long after his death.

Next worst is Woodrow Wilson for obvious reasons.

Obama was a bad one as well.

>>2980145
The combination of Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover probably caused greater damage to the world than any other US presidents, but they each only get part of the blame. I wouldn't have listed Harding, but he really fucked thing up with his "return to normalcy" nonsense.

Buchanan is definitely the worst single president we've had.

Trump is shaping up to be an awful president, I really can't see how the rest of his presidency can be successful. I don't think any presidents have accomplished so little this far in. Even Andrew Johnson got somethings accomplished.

>>2980167
>shipped all our jobs to China

That was Dubya Bush.

Wilson, FDR, LBJ and Buchanan are the anti-Mt. Rushmore.

James Buchanan

>>2980248
As an Australian what is with all the FDR hate?
The New Deal worked didn't it?
He got you out of the depression and was able to build a war economy in preparation for the most destructive war in history as well as providing adequate war leadership?
Or can you shed some light on this I am sadly uninformed about American internal politics.

>>2980145
From my perspective and I have no idea of the old dudes it must be clearly Obama.

Drone strikes, ISIS, Obama care, Iran deal ääännnd
Just say one thing he did not fail.

>>2980458
>He got you out of the depression and was able to build a war economy in preparation for the most destructive war in history
If WW2 didn't happen the New Deal would not have worked, Lend-Lease saved that policy

>>2980145
Two words: Doland Grummpfff

>>2980145
Buchanan, Pierce, Harrison, and Reagan are my top 4.

>>2980461
>I have no idea of the old dudes
Why are you on a history board?

>>2980530
he mean to go to pol

>>2980145
trump obviously

reagan

>>2980530
Some, I'd even say most, people aren't American and would have little reason to learn about all the American presidents.
I myself am not and only know the iconic presidents, either for being good or bad, and all the recent ones, wich for me starts at Teddy R.

>>2980588
Wow amazing man. I'm not American either. Why would you enter a thread about US presidents and give your opinion about them when you know next to nothing?

>>2980588
That's a terrible excuse. The United States is the current world super power. I'm American but I've made sure to study European and Chinese history. There's no excuse for that kind of willful ignorance.

>>2980618
Do you expect us to believe you know every European and Chinese ruler no matter how insignificant he/she might have been? Because that is a bold claim.

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Jackson for killing all the indians

Kennedy for nearly exterminating humanity

DRUMPF because he got two scoops

>>2980145
polk

>>2980637
Not him but it's still retarded that other guy would come in giving his opinion on US presidents while simultaneously knowing nothing about them

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/thread

>>2980723
>/thread-ing yourself
stop breathing

>>2980723
expecting to abide constitution 100% during a civil war is like expecting to send all soldiers (not war criminal, all of them) to jail for murder and destruction of property

>>2980166
1/4 try harder plebbit

>>2980723
Go to bed and fuck your sister Cletus.

Wilson.
And my work is done here.

>>2980463
What ended the Great Depression was the end of WWII with USA being the last man standing basically. All other victors suffered economic colapses.

>>2980168
I'm right-wing and I fucking despise Reagan. Nothing but a brainless tool of neocon foreign policy advisors and Evangelical culture warriors. He's little better than George W. Bush and the veneration of him by the right in this country needs to end.

FDR, for not breaking the alliance with the soviets as soon as nukes were developed.

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>>2980145

BRUMPFF BLEEEHHH!!!

>>2980145
An a non american I think Obama is definitely in the running. Foreign affairs, economy, race relations, debt, health care, etc. Almost every aspect of the country was greatly worsened during his presidency

>>2980660
You fucking what m8? Polk is most certainly top five material, maybe even the best.

>>2980168
senpai knows his shit.

Anyone posting Obama is not to be taken seriously.

>>2981059
Advocated strong executive (which is against the constitution), started an aggressive war of conquest and risked another war with Great Britain. Perhaps that's what he's referring to.

>>2980145
Obama, quite easily. Not even qualified under the constitution as eligible for being POTUS, as he was not the child of US citizens.

Only of one US citizen.

(The place of birth is immaterial to natural born citizen status; we did not want people with split loyalties, and as Obama sent US special forces to fight battles for Kenya, and did his level best to take down the US on the global state, again our founding fathers proved to be prescient.)

>>2980588
Same for me.

Lets say from the last 100 years.

Clearly the two worst are:

second place: Reagan (Taliban, Watergate)

the gold Winner: Obama (ISIS, racial division, just everything he touched went out shit.)

>>2980168
The standard answers for whom? Liberal historians?

If the name Woodrow Wilson is not in the bottom 3, the list is defective.

>>2981167
Only commies and faggots hated Reagan. Which one are you? Both?

>>2981167
>second place: Reagan (Taliban, Watergate)

Profound ignorance.

>>2981170
>Only commies and faggots hated Reagan
>the Taliban are good boys
>those towers were ugly anyway.

>God Tier:
Lincoln
Washington
Jefferson
FDR (this is the true Mt Rushmore, but construction on the monument began in 1927, and FDR became president in 1933)

>Great Tier:
Teddy
Eisenhauer
JFK
Truman

>Good tier:
Johnson
Obama
Reagan
Clinton


>Anti-Rushmore (Eat Shit and Die Tier):
Dubya
Buchanon
Pierce
Fillmore

>>2981168
This. At the very list if Wilson is counted as one of the greatest just ask them "why." For good intentions?

>>2981180
FDR was an absolute gigantic failure home and abroad.

>>2981180
>Good tier
>Obama

Tell me one and one good thing Obama did?

>>2981176
So both.

>>2981187
Don't bother. It's some retarded PBS-tier list.

Buchanan and Pierce.
Grant was pretty incompetent, and (unwillingly and due to his incompetence) started the trend of the corrupt Gilded Age presidents, who were all powerless shit.

>>2981215
Hayes, Garfield (although he died early), Arthur and Cleveland were all great and actual constitutional presidents not allmighty emperors.

>>2981187
He tried to base our budget on actual science and empirical evidence:

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2015/02/05/obamas-budget-lays-out-an-ambitious-evidence-based-policy-agenda/

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>>2981276
Well that explains it.

>>2981167
ISIS was an inevitability with the power vacuum Bush II created. Racial divisions got worse because mobile phones got cheaper and more widespread at the same time social media really took off. This meant that minorities had their own platform to share their views on the racial divide and no longer had to rely on corporate news or national organizations to give voice to their grievences. Obama didn't do anything to make the racial divide worse, it was going to get worse no matter what as technology made it possible for black and brown communities to have a voice.

>>2981185
>dat edge tho

There's basically unanimity around who are the three greatest presidents: Washington, Lincoln, and FDR.

You might argue that Jefferson shouldn't be on the top 4, but arguing that FDR shouldn't can only be considered b8

>>2981283
An existing debt ceiling isn't a relevant critique of Obama's budget decisions when he can only have influence on budgets when he is in power and congress controls the budget anyway. You asked for a good thing he did, I would say attempting to guide congresse ' decisions based on actual evidence and not gut instincts is a public good.

>>2981195
Post a better list faggot

>>2980172
All 3 of these just happen to be Democrats :<>)

>>2981168
>>2981183
Woodrow Wilson was one of the most consequential presidents for the US's rise to primacy on the world stage. He gets a bum rap from posters who hate central banking, think the US should have always remained isolationist, and hate presidents who wield extraordinary executive powers during extraordinary times. Nevertheless, WW was a man prescient foresight who drove the course of the American experiment into the new waters of international hegemon.

>>2980458
/pol/ and this website are some of the last of the old Goldwater conservatives, plus they hate admiting what was at the time radical policy saved the country.

>>2981338

> old Goldwater conservatives

"Gas the Jews, race war now" was not a Goldwater platform.

>>2980649
Whats with this forced meme of Colbert getting mad? Seems redditey

>>2980637
I definitely know all the really good and really shitty ones.

>>2981180
>Obama and Clinton not in shit-tier
>Teddy and JFK not in God-tier

Delete your life.

>>2981347
>JFK
>Tier containing Washington, FDR, Lincoln

Pick one you edgy memetard

>>2980967
>economy
It massively improved from his start in the recession to the end you retard. Bait.

>>2980161
>>2980165


2 SCOOPS FAGGOTS.

>>2981310
It can only be considered a historical misconception. He prolonged the depression by about 7 years, was yet another authoritarian powerful president and was overly friendly towards the Soviet Union.

>JFK on any tiers
He died too soon to be properly gauged desu

>>2981333
Good president who favored Hegel-like collectivist state. Wilson did.
Presidents who got noticed or lived in interesting times are appreciated for their "vision" even if that vision led to two economic depressions (1920 and 1929) and to some extent contributed to another world war.

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>>2981353

Obama wasn't the best, but I'd say he's good to above average.

His primary failing was not using his 2008-2010 supermajority more effectively, and not doing "unethical political moves". He should have asked Ginsberg and Kennedy to resign the moment he got into office and nominate a pair of 50 year olds to take their place.

>>2981386
>but I'd say he's good to above average.

Only if we admit that vast majority of the presidents were race-baiting warmongers who ruined the economy.
There's a case to be made there.

>>2981383
The recession of 1920 was a quick correction of distorted markets from turning the faucet of wartime spending off. America benefited enormously from it's involvement in WW1, often said to be the only winner of the conflict.

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>>2981368

> He prolonged the depression by about 7 years

Why not look at the numbers instead of just being a /pol/ack.

So your claim is that FDR prolonged the depression by about 7 years.

FDR was elected in 32, and took office in 33. Then look at the GDP growth numbers for the first 7 years of his presidency.

> -1.3
> 10.8
> 8.9
> 12.9
> 5.1
> -3.3
> 8.0

The economy had reached pre-depression levels by 1936, 3 years after FDR took office.

Most people would agree that the Depression was over by 41 at the latest. 7 years before 41 was 1934, one year after FDR took office. Unless you believe that Libertarian fightan magic can cause the economy to grow 36% in one year and reach pre-depression levels, I'd say FDR and his alphabet soup programs did pretty well.

>>2980145
Ob**a

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>>2980458
/pol/ hates that a democrat (and to a smaller extent a socialist) saved the United States.
FDR was the closest thing we ever had to a dictator but the thing is he knew how to wield that power. His policies on manufacturing and internment would be seen as a power grab today. Its the same reason they hate Lincoln, they did what needed to be one even if it was not the morally right thing to do.
He was also one of the most popular presidents in his time, and that makes stormfags even madder.

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>>2981424
The crisis was the effect of the post-war debt. The economy needed that to correct itself. A well-handled recessios that didn't develop into early great depression which is why it's so good to compare it to the big one >>2981425
FDR created a bunch of agencies that forced farmers to destroy their crops also useless jobs and regulations. They even admitted they were trying to emulate Herbert Hoover's own interventionism which also failed.
The economy was slowly getting back to normal before unprecedented depression within a depression in 1937.. The New Deal myth needs to be killed and killed again just to be sure.

>>2980145
JFK. He and his family literally criminal links that are open to the public but no one cares about that because he got his brains blown out in Dallas.

>>2981464
Not believing in keynesian fallacies doesn't equal /pol/ but believing in them apparently does. Tankies also like to send me there when I disagree with their propaganda. I think they belong there themselves.

>>2980145
JFK is a meme president, he did objectively nothing other than escalating the Cuban missile crisis and having pretty speeches.

>>2980145
For me it's Andrew Johnson, Reagan, Trump, G.W. Bush, Wilson, and Clinton

>>2981482
There's a great article about Obama becoming the next JFK for the Democratic Party. A man from the posters and nothing more. A failure but unlike JFK Obama has absolutely no lasting legacy and didn't die a martyr death but his ideological purity is the only thing that will make him the example.

>>2981498
Obama has no lasting legacy either now that Obamacare is history

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>>2980161
>>2980165

>>2981501
Cuba was supposed to be his other legacy however:

1) Friendly gestures towards Cuba only strengthened the regime as the opposition is still divided.

2) This and Obama's kind words about Castro following his death angered Cuban population in Florida which could've contributed to Trump's victory.

>>2981498
>Obama
>ideological purity

>get Nobel Peace Prize
>bomb many times more people than the guy you replaced, who you accused of being a war-monger

>>2980145
LBJ
>1965 immigration act fucked demographics
>welfare
>muh rights
>vietnam war
>killed kennedy

>>2981512

>bomb many times more people than the guy you replaced, who you accused of being a war-monger

T. born after 2002.

>>2981512
According to the article (which I can't find anywhere but was posted around Trump's inauguration) Carter is linked with failures (not quite fairly) and Clinton with sex scandals. If Obama is their best pick then the whole party should be disbanded ASAP.

>>2981333
He was a goddamn socialist piece of shit who began the bankruptcy of our country and the beginning of the cradle to grave entitlement culture.

Fuck him and fuck you.

>>2981466
> A well-handled recessios that didn't develop into early great depression which is why it's so good to compare it to the big one
The Recession of the early 20s and the Great Depression are hardly comparable. By 1929 Electrification had increased output while reducing the need of labor. There was a massive oversupply problem in America. Agricultural prices were at rock bottom at a time when most of Americans were rural. The Dust Bowl scoured the high plains and forced millions to migrate. "Begger-thy-neighbor" tariff policies, kicked off by Hawley-Smoot, strangled international trade. The banking sector in the early 30s was in effectively complete collapse, with more bank failures in one week then there had been over the entire course of the 1920s recession.

There's are very good reasons why the Great Depression was of the magnitude that it was and not a momentary economic blip, and it wasn't because of FDR's efforts.

>>2981358
you seem a little lost, sweetie, this isn't r/the_donald.

>>2981059
destroyed wholesome catholic west north america and replaced it with dirty protestants

>>2981537
Why do you feel the need to get so aggravated on subjects you've most likely never even spared the time to read about?

What biographies have you read on Wilson? What nonfiction accounts of America during the 1910s and WW1? Any books on the progressive movement of the Early 20th Century American political scene?

>>2981540
Yeah I'd say it's because of Hoover and FDR.
And as much as people praise Coolidge for his sound economic choices there he also expanded the supply of money, which contributed to the great depression although he wasn't the one who made it "great."
Panics and recessions happen and there's nothing to prevent all of them since it's such a complex (and for the most part uncontrollable) system but politicians can and should be blamed for making them more severe.

>>2981537
You're calling Wilson a socialist? The same Wilson that cracked down on Socialism and threw Eugene Debs in prison? Jesus dude, hope you're trolling, if not, read a fucking book.

>>2981537
>socialist
He was for the monopolies though.
>entitlement culture
He reinstated segregation in Washington DC and was for segregation though.

>>2981558
I'll answer for him and say that "Woodrow Wilson and the Roots of Modern Liberalism" is a good one but for more economic approach I'd recommend "Wilson's War"

>>2981572


>>2981567
>>2981570
Also to clarify. Wilson was a fan of Hegel (and hater of US consitution). A collectivist that has been called a "proto-fascist" which is my new favorite term to describe a progressive.

>>2981466

> source for everything : your ass

>>2981584
Books, lectures, some bibliography I had left from the time when it was supposed to be the subject of my thesis.
Want a quick rundown or will you brush it off if you don't like the source?

>>2981594

Unironic all ears.

>>2981594
Although I don't know if the part about FDR's advisor admitting that they copied Hoover's plan shows up in any of them.


"We didn’t admit it at the time, but practically the whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs Hoover started."
-Rexford Tugwell


Maybe this article goes a bit more in depth.
http://conversableeconomist.blogspot.com/2011/10/more-herbert-hoover-father-of-new-deal.html

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>>2981601
The most concise source is Jim Powell's book "FDR's Folly." Just the introduction provides a nice summary. He also mentions earlier works for example the Pulitzer-winning Freedom from Fear which honestly should be mentioned more often especially if the most common counter-argument is "it comes from the political opposition."

Speaking of which there's an interview with Jim Powell. Done by some libertarian institute but they actually challenge him on some issues. If it wasn't for that I'd just post his 10 minute presentation but we're all grown ups here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsJaq-QKnv8&t=1731s

>>2981647
Key quotes:

"While FDR authorized the spending of billions for relief and
public works projects, a disproportionate amount of this money went not to the poorest states such as the South, but to western states where people were better off, apparently because these were "swing" states which could yield FDR more votes in the next election.
The South was already solidly Democratic, so there wasn't
much to be gained by buying votes there. It was observed at the time that relief and public works spending seemed to increase during election years. Politicking with relief and public works money got to be so bad that Congress passed the Hatch Act (1939)."

"As a cure for the Great Depression, government spending didn't work. In 1933, federal government outlays were $4.5 billion; by 1940 they were $9.4 billion, so FDR more than doubled federal spending, and still unemployment remained stubbornly high. Changes in federal budget deficits didn't correspond with changes in gross domestic product, and in any case the federal budget deficit at its peak (1936) was only 4.4 percent of the gross domestic product, much too small for a likely cure."

"The most that could be said in FDR's defense was this, by Donald R. Richberg, former head of the National Recovery Administration: "Although the tremendous expenditures and supports for agriculture and industrial labor that were projected in the Roosevelt
administration did not end a huge unemployment problem, they did raise new hopes and inspire new activities among the American people which turned them away for a time at least from even more radical political programs."

>>2981647

I'll give the whole thing a listen, but from the first minute, alarm bells are setting of because Cato institute.

>>2981675
I have no idea what that is but there's always Mises Institute if you'd like...
...
..
.

>>2981647
Freedom From Fear has entire chapter on the New Deal where the author writes that the New Deal should be judged as much as a social, political and economic reform as a recovery measure and sings high hymns to its accomplishments.

>>2981687
Yeah "The best thing that came out of New Deal was Roosevelt's smile"
Not going to make a soup out of that.

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>Nobody in this thread has said Truman

Are you guys retarded? Here's a list of his accomplishments:
>only took the vice presidency because he was bullied into it
>unleashed the greatest war weapon ever invented on enemy civilians -- justification? more military lives would have been lost, like no shit
>antagonized Stalin during the peace deals and refused to share nuclear secrets, contributing to Stalin's depleting trust in the West
>single-handedly started the Cold War against the advice of his cabinet due to personal conflicts with communism
>thereby providing justification for a mass government surveillance movement to take hold
under the pretexts of anticommunism

Truman is EASILY the worst president ever. All of the other choices are clearly partisan or just memes.

>>2981698
>contributing to Stalin's depleting trust in the West

I don't want to interrupt but Stalin always wanted to spread the revolution westwards (and in other continents too). It was inevitable.

Also you didn't mention the nationalization of the steel industry.

>>2981684

The speakers at the beginning introduced themselves as from the Cato institute, which was originally called the Charles Koch Foundation.

So I'm leery of the objectives and indeed, objectivity of the interviewers.

I haven't heard of the Mises Institute before, but their wiki page says

>The Mises Institute was founded in 1982 by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr., Burton Blumert and Murray Rothbard, following a split between the Cato Institute and Rothbard, who had been one of the founders of the Cato Institute

So cut from the same cloth.

>>2981711
LE EVIL REPUBLICAN BOOGEYMAN

Andrew Johnson, FDR, Woodrow Wilson, LBJ, Reagan, Clinton, Bush jr, Obama

>>2981711
Yeah that's the point. MI is a handy database for old articles regarding different historical events. And I mean all kinds. One even questions praxeology which was basically the specialty of their patron.

>>2981725
Johnson was inconsequential compared to others. At least he wanted a peaceful reconstruction period even if he was pretty racist.
And what about Clinton? I've heard that he was more fiscally conservative than some republicans or was it just Gingrich doing?

>>2980145
James Buchanan

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>>2981746

Clinton was tight with money even before the 96 elections. No real change in government spending before and after.

>>2981761
Truman was such a monetarist. What happened to the Democrats?

>>2980145
Jimmy Carter

>>2981769

I mean, how did you arrive at that conclusion? Holding the budget steady is the exception rather than the rule.

Only Eisenhower, Nixon, Clinton, and Obama ended with about the same outlays that they began with.

Truman is a special case where he inherited WW2, had a period peace in between, then ended with Korea.

The largest spending increased happened under Dubya, the second largest under Johnson, and the largest peacetime spending increase under Reagan.

>>2981761
Yes, Newt's congress was very tight with money.

Because, as it turns out, the Congress holds the purse.

>>2980152

FPBP

>>2981807

Do your eyes work?

Newt became speaker in 95, Clinton didn't spend any more money in 93 and 94.

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>>2980145
Boland Balogna

>>2980165
maybe, but he asked for worst, not most incompetent. To be honest, he hasn't really fucked anything up other than public relations wise.

>>2980145
I'd say Grant

>>2980588
>question about presidents
>I know nothing about presidents but allow me to answer

kys

>>2981299
>ISIS was an inevitability with the power vacuum Bush II created
>make up a whole armed force that accidantly turns ISIS and invades Syria

You don't really believe what you are saying do you?

>>2981870

> maybe, but he asked for worst, not most incompetent. To be honest, he hasn't really fucked anything up other than public relations wise.

A retard that fucks things up through incompetence and a turd that fucks things up through malevolence are equally harmful.

Trump has also fucked up a ton of our foreign relations.

>>2981882

What are you even trying to say?

>>2981916
>Trump has also fucked up a ton of our foreign relations.
Oh look, this meme again. I'm sure you'll be able to name one example that was caused by Trump then?

>>2981746
Clinton's lack of balls doomed us to 9/11 and the aftermath.

He bitched out trying to capture Osama and put an end to Al Queda after the trade center bombing. Leaving it to Sudan to deport Osama to Saudi Arabia. then hoping they would arrest the son of one of the most powerful families in the kingdom.

he also allowed a lot of deregulation that lead to teh 2008 collapse. he created the sub prime mortgage bubble too.

he is also to blame for Hillary being anything but a lobbyist.

>>2981882
I'd respond to your response but I'm not sure what you're saying.

>>2981353
Bullshit. Harvard found that over 90% of the jobs created over Obama's term of office were temporary and low paying. His economic legacy is being one of the only presidents to never achieve 2% economic growth in a quarter, and complete failure to implement policy that meaningfully raised wages.

LBJ

>>2981965

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-pulls-u-s-out-paris-climate-agreement-n767066

Wow that was easy.

>>2981510
Cuba was a consolation prize. Iran was supposed to be his real foreign policy legacy, but it blew up in his face because he was too dependent on Pro-Israel Democrats.

>>2981711
Yeah, because a pro-Democrat institution is going to research into how FDR fucked up.

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>>2981698
>Implying Truman wasn't the second best Cold War President after Big Dick Nixon

>>2982012
>Trump pulled out of a non-binding agreement that would have shot the US Economy in the foot and would never have gotten passed by Congress anyway

Well, that's me showed. Meanwhile in Germany, Oil Pipelines.

>>2981163
Being born in the US makes you a citizen and eligible for POTUS halfwit

>>2982052

> non-binding

> would have shot the US Economy in the foot

How to contradict yourself in the same sentence.

> Meanwhile in Germany, Oil Pipelines

Yea, Germany has oil pipelines, so does the US, so does every country that needs oil in volume.

>>2982105
>implying that's a contradiction

If it's non-binding, we can't have damaged foreign relations. Since it would have hurt the economy, choosing to adhere to it would put other countries before our own. It can be a terrible agreement more than one way.

>>2982080
No it does not. The language of art is "natural born citizen", and that does not mean "born in the US".

It means "born of 2 US citizens". Both of your parents have to be US citizens, and if they are, even if you are born in Germany, you are a natural born US citizen.

Natural born has nothing to do with jus soli, and Obama was an illegitimate POTUS.

>>2982132
*in Germany on vacation

>>2982132

Counterpoint.

> 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States

> Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

>>2982139

In addendum

8 U.S.C. § 1401

> The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

> (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

>>2982040
>it's a Nixon was a good president episode

>>2982132
Counterpoint.

My mother is a US citizen and neither of her parents were

>>2981185
>>2981310
>Gigantic failure at home
yeah, basically
>and abroad
U wot m8

>>2982203
He was in love with Stalin. When he realized it was a mistake it was too late.

>>2982186
>It's a Nixon was a bad episode
Asshurt Hippie detected.

>unprecedentedly elected to 4 terms, 3 of them in massive landslides
>built a coalition on his charisma and vision that would dominate the American political scene from the 30s to the 90's
>"gigantic failure at home"
One of these things is not like the other.

>>2982380
Oh I forgot
>ushered in the most prosperous era of American history

>>2980145
Obviously George W Bush.

>>2982380
The second one is more like from the 30s to the beginning of 1969. And the New Deal is generally regarded as having prolonged the Great Depression.
>>2982251
Eh, how much he actually liked him is one thing. I'd say the fact that he was able to balance aiding the Brits with sort of keeping the Soviets in check while acting as their ally at the same time, or at least attempting to, while simultaneously dealing, generally successfully, with Chiang, Mao and MacArthur all fucking things up in their own way in what was supposed to be a sideshow, is worthy of commendation. Especially if you consider that he had the foresight to predict that the US would be drawn into the war by some sort of attack by the Axis, and that he could see how necessary Lend Lease would be.

>>2981283
You can owe our increase in debt to the lowered productivity after the recession. When somebody throws out the number of digits to assess a situation in debt, it's a pretty good indicator that they don't know what they're talking about.

We stabilized the debt-to-gdp ratio. It's actually dropping now (slowly, but surely).

Oh, and he slashed the deficits in almost half. Probably could've balanced the budget without congressional obstruction

t. someone who studied econ

>>2982676
I would put Obama ahead of Bush II. Doesn't change the fact that both are near bottom. It's almost impossible not to be. I think all 21 century presidents will be absolute monarchs. At least Obama "tried" to cut the spending just a bit even though he continued Bush's interventions.

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>>2982531
>The second one is more like from the 30s to the beginning of 1969
No, it was well into the 90s. The Democrats DOMINATED congress because of the coalition that FDR built. Just look at how many years the Dems controlled congress and when that trend started.

>>2982531
>And the New Deal is generally regarded as having prolonged the Great Depression.
Furthermore, the exact economic consequences of the New Deal are contentious, but the fact of the matter remains that it took someone with the strength of will such as Roosevelt to push forward such an simultaneously ambitious, yet moderate policy in the face of the worst economic disaster the US had ever faced, when the very fabric of orthodox economics was coming undone in the face of an unprecedented economic confusion.

>>2981783
you mean the president actually responsible for the collapse of the soviet union?

If an American invasion of Iran, and an economic crash worse than the 2008 Recession happens under Trump. Then he is objectively the worst president America had ever the displeasure of seeing.

>>2982953
I was really more thinking of the death of the great society, in the sense that it was a successor to the New Deal. Ideas that FDR helped start and all that.
>>2983011
It's funny, I was about to say they weren't really moderate but I suppose in terms of how drastic the reforms were, they could be called very moderate, but widespread. They certainly weren't negative interest rates, that's for sure.

>>2980168
goood goy

>>2980145
James Buchanan, no doubt about it.

In the last 70 years, LBJ was one of the worst.

>>2981537
Cant tell if bait or triggered

>>2981965
He fucking shoved the leader of Montenegro like a toddler, Merkel is drifting away from our influence, etc. Stop saying "meme" for everything.
BACK TO L*DDIT

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But who was the best president of USA? For me it's based Jimmy Carter

>>2980461
just leave this board

>>2981503
Honest question. Why are people so mad about ice cream? Did he choose bad flavors or something?

>>2980145
The fucking niger of course.

>>2981503

>literally posting facebook conservative memes

Go to bed, Grandma.

>>2981503
>facebook filename
>unironically a Trump//pol/fag
>unironically even more hilarious in hindsight that despite having a Republican/conservative in both the House and Senate has failed to get his tax reform act, replacement for Obamacare and administration is rocked with scandals and affairs involving the Russians for the entirety of his incumbency so far
Yeah he's doing "great".

>>2984504
>He fucking shoved the leader of Montenegro like a toddler
>QUIT ACCUSING ME OF MEMEING!
>Posts memes
And for all that, Montenegro still wants to hide under the US protective umbrella

>Merkel is drifting away from out influence
Because 1) Germany has become powerful enough to try to assert influence in its own right. 2) The previous administration's policy's towards Russia hinder the German economy, both by denying Germany an export market and by forcing them to buy less of that sweet sweet Texas tea for sweet. Trump is just the excuse Merkel gives to retarded leftists to hide her actual intent. Clearly it works.

>>2980167
>Because he was a black muslim and shipped all our jobs to China
You forgot that he is also a communist and the antichrist, and that he wasn't even born in america.

>>2984767
He had two scoops and the guests got one scoop or something.

>>2980145
Unironically Donald Trump

>>2985438
Why? Hasn't really fucked anything up.

If the same amount of attention had been applied to every president I daresay some would be more detested than him.

>>2980168
Good answer anon

>>2980172
>Unironically just saying "for obvious reasons"

This is a bait post, right?

Worst by what criteria? Worst human being? LBJ.

>>2980723
t. skeeter

>>2981180
Good opinions anon

>>2982040
Truman fired MacArthur and doomed the Korean War to a never ending cease fire.

>>2985368
He's slowly but surely draining the swamp. Republican majority means nothing when so many of them are traitors.

>>2980145
Reagan

>completely ruined the countries economy for decades in the future
>started the trend of being corporate-owned and thus blazed a trail for the Bushes, Clinton and Obama
>abandoned the american working class and sold their jobs overseas
>iran-contra affair
>completely ruined racial relations in the country

Politically, half the awful things about america today is thanks to Reagan

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How about people who would have been great presidents?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riOxEDVfkt8

Herbert Hoover

Obama

>>2980145
those surrounding Abe Lincoln easily

fucked it all up and also got impeached, terrible leaders

Even worse than whatever Trump is going to eventually be

>>2980649
Kek

>>2981167
>reagan
>watergate

>>2988010
My nigga

>>2984767
No one was. The news media made a one off report on it but since Trump's avid minions can't defend all his other retardation they fixated on that and made it seem bigger than it actually was.

>>2981283
STIMULUS PACKAGE

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>>2989015
>nearly double national debt
>still can't top 2% growth

>>2981180
>Good Tier having Reagan with Obama, LBJ, and Clinton

LBJ should be in his own class for what he did for civil rights

>>2981466
literally every economist agrees that stimulus is what pulls nations out of recessions and depressions. fuck off

>>2990516
no. LBJ screwed us all.

>Gun Control Act
>modern welfare state
>Vietnam war
>removing the USA's western/northern european bias in immigration

>>2990516

WE'LL HAVE THE NIGGERS VOTING FOR US FOR 200 YEARS!

>>2990528
it is just another bubble. stimulus just creates more debt for the (((banks))) to profit off of, and cripple future generations.

>>2990536
ebin m8, you get that from a facebook infographic?

>>2990539
>resort to ad hominem against jews
>makes a claim without any evidence of data to back it up

>>2990273
>negative gdp before stimulus enacted
>positive gdp after stimulus enacted


what did the data mean by this?

>>2990556
Obama and Dem Congress bail out the banks and wall street. Every single rich person in a bailed out company got richer. No punishments or harsh regulations put back in. Debt doubled. The only way to pay it down is to significantly raise everyone's taxes and gut defense spending, for more than a decade.

All for the slowest economic recovery ever. where they try to sell us 3% economic growth as "great".

>>2990563
gdp is shit m8. because it includes government spending.

>>2990577
you do realize almost every other nation that recovered didn't get +3%, right? I agree that they should've been punished more including prison time and even harscher fines. You do realize the bailouts were paid back with interest, yes? Like, years ago. Debt isn't so important as long as the debt to gdp ratio isn't too crazy, most economists are in agreement with this. Defense spending should be lowered, the military and DOD even agree with that notion. The US also shrinks the size of it when we are in no time of war. Lowering taxes =/= equal higher revenue for the government. That has been tried on macro levels of individual states and nations.

>>2990582
yeah... government everywhere spends. how the fuck else is a nation supposed to exist? they pay for almost everything to keep shit even properly running

>>2990590
when a government takes on massive debt to stimulate the economy. under current tax schemes. the only way to pay off that debt is to grow the tax payer base.

since modern developed nations have birthrates below replacement. this means that you must import future tax payers.

so stimulated out of that recession, and paid off the debt, but you set off a demographics bomb that is going to alter your nation in a few generations.

>>2980145
Why does it go from colour photos to black and white, back to colour? I don't understand

>>2980723
That's hilarious! It's akin to Hillary Clinton choosing Trump as the worst President -- I just can't imagine why she would choose him. After 152 years (exactly), you southern boys still can't get over your pathetic loss. It's almost as pathetic as Blacks today demanding reparations for slavery.

>>2980175
>Trump is shaping up to be an awful president, I really can't see how the rest of his presidency can be successful. I don't think any presidents have accomplished so little this far in. Even Andrew Johnson got somethings accomplished.
Literally what the fuck are you talking about?

>>2982321
Apparently losing a war counts as being the best now

>>2990533
Yeah all those things you named are debatable politics. Half the country believe in all of those thigns you just named

>>2990618
paintings, early photography, modern photography

Buchanan, especially since the useless fuck is the only president from my state. I might add Trump's going to make the list if he doesn't step the fuck up soon though, I can't think of any President since Hoover who has done literally nothing but either floundered or consisted of partially roll backing his predecessors policies, and that's ignoring his herculean effort to cloak himself in a Nixonian persona

Johnson, Coolidge, GW Bush

>>2990592
>they pay for almost everything to keep shit even properly running

What is Flint for 500, Alex.

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Trump

>>2980752
>>2985879
>>2990674
>>2980761

None of you actually have any arguments, just insults directed at that anon.


Not even that anon btw. Not that you'll believe me.

>>2980145
damn the second one looks so damn gay

>>2990767
>Nixon withdraws from Vietnam
>What a loser
>Obama withdraws from Iraq
>Truly he has saved this nation

Vietnam was a retarded and pointless war.

>>2991191
The iraqi government lasted longer than the South vietnamese one.

>>2991191
>Nixon withdraws from Vietnam
>What a loser

Literally who ever said this

>>2990767
>Losing a war
Nixon won Vietnam by helping to solidify the Sino-Soviet split. Not his fault that asshurt Democrats in congress didn't fulfill treaty obligations to the South Vietnamese when the North came back for round two.

>>2991141
DELET THIS
ADAMS SAVED THIS COUNTRY
FUCK HAMILTON

>>2980145
FDR

>>2981299
>Obama didn't do anything to make the racial divide worse
Hahaha how can anybody unironically believe this.

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>>2980911
Wrong

>>2981368
Nigga the depression started in 1930 and ended in 1937. FDR wasn't even in office in 1930.
And if you are saying 1940 was the end, the 1940 GDP was 30% higher than the 1929 peak.

>>2981466
>depression within a depression
?

The 1937 recession was a recession within a depression, and was directly caused by fiscal tightening.

>>2980145
While Obama and Carter were bad, they pale in comparison to that SOB Franklin Roosevelt

>>2992753
Obama's reign saw more damage to race relations than any time in decades. Race baiters saw his election as a mandate to harass whites and it backfired horribly as people all over the nation discovered that their enemies not only hate them, but want them dead. The democrat party is still in the process of imploding as the kill-whitey element can't even bring itself to temporarily pretend to soften its position.

>>2982531
>And the New Deal is generally regarded as having prolonged the Great Depression.

Where do we get these revisionist /pol/tards from? Oh wait...

>>2990273
GDP grew 2.6% in 2010 2.4% in 2011 2.8% in 2014 and 2.7% in 2015.

>>2990539
[Citation needed]

>>2992943
>SOB
>>>/pol/

The system works like this.
From 1969-1974 Nixon was the WORST PRESIDENT EVER
From 1974-1977 Ford was the WORST PRESIDENT EVER
From 1981-1989 Reagan was the WORST PRESIDENT EVER
From 1989-1993 Bush Sr. was the WORST PRESIDENT EVER
From 2001 to 2009, Bush Jr. was the WORST PRESIDENT EVER
Now, from 2017 to 2025, Trump shall be THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER.

That's how it works in modern politics as driven by the liberal media.

I'd say FDR mainly because his administration was filled with communists.

FDR easily unless you suffer from economic illiteracy.

>>2980145
Drumpf

>>2993065
>>2993316
Oh please. These criticisms are always so trite. Regurgitating the opinions of people's books they've never actually read to assume a kind of superior knowledge. FDR was president during a time when financial orthodoxy stated that during a recession you should raise taxes and balance the budget and throughout his administration there were clamoring voices that's exactly what he should have done. This was a time when "Keynesian Economics" was still being formed in the head of Keynes himself. Yet he had the strength of will to not only battle big business interests who fought back furiously at every attempt of worker relief and reform, but even against even members of his own party, and he still carried the day.

When FDR took office the banking system was on the verge of collapse, Unemployment was 25%, and millions of hard working men were starving for lack of work. When he left, the US was far and away the greatest economic super-power the world had ever seen, unemployment was almost non-existent, a safety net had been established for the most vulnerable citizens, and the country was primed for the greatest period of peace and prosperity in world history.

>>2993035
This, but you forgot Clinton and Obama.

>tfw Carter is unironically the best President in the past half-century

>>2993360
No, his administration was actually infiltrated by the USSR. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Gregory_Silvermaster

>>2993316
Spoken like a true economic illiterate.

>>2993420
How is that a stain on FDR himself? FDR didn't even appoint those people. Undersecretaries and assistant secretaries are career public servants, not political appointees.

>>2993486
He was oblivious to the soviet threat. At the Tehran and Yalta conferences, Roosevelt and friends were bugged, everything was bugged. It gave the reds an incredible advantage. If Roosevelt wasn't such a dumb nigger, Europe wouldn't have been split apart.
And there is no telling how badly his administration was infiltrated because the VENONA messages were only 3% decrypted.

>>2993505
>FDR is the worst president in AMERICAN history because of some shit that happened in EUROPE

>>2980145
Drumpf for getting two scoops and hacking Russia

>>2985898
The only Republicans that have left office have left to join his sinking administration. That isn't draining the swamp, that's just shoveling swamp water to somewhere else and hoping it doesn't smell like shit.

>>2980145
Jackson. He didn't even pretend to uphold the constitution he swore to protect and spent most of his Presidency fucking around the Carolinas and setting the stage for the civil war by blatantly infringing on state's rights and literally using federal troops to occupy SC because he hated his VP that fucking much.

The only good thing he did was kill the banks and that didn't last longer than the shitty legacy of the civil war he practically caused by being an angry angsty dipshit that couldn't let sleeping dogs stay dead.

Where are people getting the idea that killing the national bank was a good thing. It literally made Americans poorer. It's like modern day people take Jackson's political pandering at face value that it was a "den of serpents". It's bewildering to me.

>>2985898
He packed the oval office with literal bankers

>>2980145
Tie between Buchanan and Wilson.

obama did nothing right

>>2993598
It's mostly lolbertarians who have an irrational hatred of centralized banking.

>>2982321
>War on Drugs
>Watergate
>Vietnam

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>>2980145
Lindon B Johnson, or Obama. One of those faggots.

Unironically LBJ was the worst President.

>Presided over a massive collapse in public morale that lasted until the Reagan revolution
>Degeneracy was normalised
>Vietnam escalation with no end victory in sight
>1965 immigration act
>Sambo riots

John Adams, He passed the sedition act which took away the freedom of speech against the government

>>2993598
with out central banking. the USA managed to grow from backwater new world nation, to one of the world's great powers.

no income tax either.

>>2993443
none of FDR's ideas worked and many made the depression worse. the only thing that really dug the US out was the rest of the industrialized world trying to kill it self. leaving the USA as the only industrial power with a working age population, resources, and an intact industrial base.

even then things really didn't take off until Kennedy started deregulation and lowering taxes. As Eisenhower had three recessions during his administration. Eisenhower's administration with the 90% top nominal tax rate, regulations on everything, and heavy government spending on development.

>>2993360
Banks were on the verge of collapse because the FEDS went and fucked everything up. Keynes market theories came to being 4 years after FDR took office and its been proven time and time again that Y = C + I + G - NX is a bullshit equation to base governance on except Keynes and FDR were both too stupid to realize externalities exist in open economies although I will admit that America was becoming more protectionist at the time. You're also equating correlation and causation, the reason America came out swinging after FDR was because the won the fucking war. Germany was a pile of rubble, Britain had nationalized a majority of its industries causing near financial collapse and France was fucked. By virtue of all of it's competitors collapsing, USA became a powerhouse. Now if you want to accredit FDR with the victory of the USA that's a different argument but it sure as hell wasn't his economic policies.
>>2993443
Wow I guess I should drop out of my masters economics program then. Here's some articles you might find interesting, but hey I'm an economic illiterate what do I know?
https://fee.org/articles/the-great-depression-according-to-milton-friedman/
https://medium.com/jvnto/why-did-the-new-deal-fail-66f020c7470f
If you want more criticisms or my own analysis I'm happy to give it.

>>2985898
>He's slowly but surely draining the swamp
Trump's cabinet is literally filled with Goldman Sachs bankers. Spare me the ''Drain the Swamp'' rhetoric.

>>2980145
Woodrow Wilson, He created the federal reserve effectively making him responsible for the extreme devaluation of the dollar we see today (todays dollar is worth is worth one fifteenth what it was worth at the conception of the federal reserve) the corruption of the government via banks owning share in the central bank which prints our money (in violation of article one section 8 of the US constitution). The federal reserve is also likely responsible for the assassination of JFK who signed executive order 11110 telling the treasury department to start making silver notes which would be the first step to ending the federal reserve. It is also widely believed that Wilson's federal reserve was responsible for the stock market crash 29 that began the great depression. Woodrow Wilson is also one of the founding "intellectuals" behind globalism attempting to get the United States into the league of nations which would have effectively forced the US to get involved in any war anywhere in the world (similar to how we do today). In my opinion the 20th century never birthed a greater traitor than that of Woodrow Wilson.

>>2995909
>all inflation is bad
>all deflation is good

>>2980175
>>2985438
>>2980165
>>2980161
>>2991052
There is a reason none of you actually brought up any points about how trump is a bad president because OBJECTIVELY he is a good president. What you don't like about him is one of two things his rhetoric, or your personal biases of illogical base. Donald trump has raised the dow jones by 1000 points in his first 100 days, in Obama's last 4 years in barely rose by 400 points. An average of over 100,000 new jobs have been created every month under his presidency. He successfully managed to get Syria to stop using chemical weapons without losing a single American life. Unemployment is now at the lowest it has been since before the great recession at 4.7%. Isis has lost a breath taking amount of territory under his military policy and the US dollar's purchasing power grew by 30% is first week in office. If this is what constitutes a failed 100 days then trump will win a second term.

>>2995919
>all deflation is bad
>all inflation is good
Any person who says that the federal reserve has had a net positive impact on the united states of America does not have working understanding economics.

>>2995941
>The economy is getting better, therefore Trump is a good president.

Trump has barely been in office for 100 days, and he's only passed a couple small laws aimed at growing the economy. The reason the economy is improving is entirely due to the business cycle finally rebounding after 2008.

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth
If you take a gander at the BLS's stats on employment growth, employment growth under Trump is following a trend of persistent job growth starting in late 2011. Voters might just be retarded enough to attribute economic growth to Trump, but really he's only presided over a business cycle expansion that's entirely out of his control.

>>2995941
Based.

Yeah, by all means, everyone can call Trump low-tier even this far into his Presidency, but the absolute worst? That's just laughable.

>>2995945
I guess you can make that argument if you ignore the gross increase of living for every American

>>2995909

Woodrow Wilson didn't create it, he merely signed into law The Federal Reserve Act set forth by a group of bankers who met in secret in Jackle Island.

Wilson wasn't too bad of a president, the Vietnam war ravaged his public image, but his idea of " The Great Society " truly changed America for the better.

>>2995990
>Trump has done nothing
Trump pulled the US from TPP, put tariffs on Canadian lumber, Met with and negotiated with CEO's from multiple large corporations, he has defunded the EPA and relaxed many policies allowing coal mines to open up (some 100,000 coal miners estimated to receive jobs throughout 2017-2018), he signed off on the creation of two pipelines that will create jobs in both construction and maintenance, the mirror fact that the dow rose 1000 points in a period of 3 months shows that this was not a mirror movement of the market but a drastic vote of confidence by the international investment community. No economic growth lies purely due to the president but it is damn near impossible to argue that Trump has had large positive effect on the American economy.

>>2996025
GDP grew by only 0.7% last quarter, and employment has been following a trend of increased job growth that started in 2011. Opening coal mines is fine, but coal is clearly on the way out as a competitive energy source, coal jobs have been steadily declining for the past several decades. Giving 100,000 coal miners jobs is fine and all, but it's really just kicking the can down the road. Eventually, coal is not going to be able to compete with renewables. That's the problem with Trump's policies. It's all aimed at short-term economic growth. If Trump really wanted to grow the economy in a lasting way, he would invest heavily in job training programs for coal miners who had lost their jobs, as well as heavily subsidizing renewables. Yeah, the business community likes him, but that doesn't mean anything if his policies aren't producing long-term jobs.

I'll definitely commend him for puling out of the TPP though, I pretty much assumed that that would go through.

>>2985368

So he's basically like Obama in his first year in office

>>2980145
The first one

>>2981343
It's /tv/ being autistic again

>>2995890
Hillary would have been no better.

Bill had goldman sachs bankers.

Their daughter married a goldman sachs banker

they have been paid million by goldman sachs

>>2981283
Blame congress
https://youtu.be/KIbkoop4AYE

>>2996085

Coal is not going away anytime soon, it's still the cheapest source of energy in the world, cheaper than natural gas. The only reason why you see that decline of its use over the decades is due to the appearance of substitute fuel sources.

>If Trump really wanted to grow the economy in a lasting way, he would invest heavily in job training programs for coal miners who had lost their jobs, as well as heavily subsidizing renewables.

Renewables like solar and wind are completely unreliable. There' a reason why Germany immediately reopened their coal plants after overhauling their energy system to green power.

>>2996025
>Met with and negotiated with CEO's from multiple large corporations
And gave them all massive tax cuts
>he has defunded the EPA
That's not a good thing
>relaxed many policies allowing coal mines to open up
Enjoy coal companies dumbing their waste in your rivers
>he signed off on the creation of two pipelines that will create jobs in both construction and maintenance
Just a shame that said pipelines will leak, badly.

Even bigger shame that the pipelines will fuck over native Americans, but I suppose that's a tradition now in the USA.

>>2980161
Memes aside it's way to early in his presidency to decide that

Barack Obama
Bushes
Clinton

next

>>2981698
he also had the lowest approval rating of any president, at only 22%

anyone who says he was a good president fell for american cold war propaganda

>>2995941
yeah its not like Trump is riding on Obama era economic growth

>>2998172
>only lists presidents he can remember and not any from before he was born

>>2981698
>refused to share nuclear secrets

I mean... would you?

>>2980588
>History thread asking about US presidents
>admit to knowing little about the subject
>idk lul I'll name the guy who just left office

>>2996202
Germany also decided to stop using nuclear. Fukushima only accelerated that and made them shut all their plants off now.

Nuclear is the real green energy source.

>>2981698
>Truman
>Shit
I disagree.

>>2980152
FPBP

Dubya

took a perfectly good America and ran it into the ground

Obama and Trump are just recovering from his bullshit

>>2998679
>Obama era economic growth
What economic growth? Lmao

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>>2996213
>he still believes the """native"''" Americans are worth saving

obongo, totally destroyed usa by massive debt increases. he doubled the debt in 4 years, crippling usa

>>2985427
That last one is true though

Trump.

>>2981503
>Facebook file name
This board just hit a new low

>>2995941
And yet not a single source was given.
SUMMER

>>2980723
Lincoln was based Dixiefag.

>>2990536
http://www.snopes.com/lbj-voting-democratic/
This board is filled with unsourced autism

>>2990539
>XD look at my Jew meme guys, way better then citing sources!
R*ddit pls go.

>>2996098
And he bearly did anything. And even niw Trump can undo it, so he'll do even less. These 4 years will be the most unproductive in modern times. We need a new Nixon or Clinton desu.

>>2984663
Jimmy is a fantastic person, but as a president he was complete dogshit except for Camp David accords.

>>2988010
Honestly wish Humphrey won in 68.

>>2993035
>le evil liberal media
Alex jones pls go

>>3001551
>Dude, the media is totally fair and balanced, with no double standards what so ever

It took less than two weeks of Trump being in office for the New York Times to start describing W Bush as a misunderstood, well meaning president. They had already backed off from McCain and Romeny considerably compared to their respective runs for president, where they had been described as nasty, racist sexist old men.