From 5th to the 6th caliph

Only the first four non hereditary caliphs are considered good caliphs (the rashidun). Nearly all hereditary caliphs are considered trash.

Sunni scholars consider only the first four elective caliphates.
Hereditary caliphates are against the Sunni Shariah (Law) anyways.
Muhammad (pbuh) said that it's the will of the people how the new leader will be chosen, even though Muhammad wished Abu Bakr (ra) to be the successor.In his last days of life, Muhammad let Abu Bakr to lead the prayers.

Twelvers rafidis disagree with Abu Bakr and claim that Allah (swt) is the only one powerful to pick a leader, therefore "picking" Ali ibn Talib (ra), which is considered one of the 10 companions of Muhammad (pbuh).

>>2977689
No, hussayn rebelled due to khawarij shia and we believe rebellion is wrong but he umayyads were tyrants and could be considered tahghout later on due to the fact they didn't enforce sharia.
The sunnis like myself believe that the caliph must be chosen by concensus and shia believe Ali (ra) was chosen by Allah and the imam is infallible and is from the family of the prophet which is objectively wrong.

Muawiayah was still the legitimate caliph

>>2977759
He's considered 1 of the 10 sahabis that are ensure Jannah there were much more of the sahaba than that

>>2977709
This, abbasids were good when they weren't mutazillah

>>2977689
>>2977787
I wanna add that the 5th caliph is considered good but his rebellion and choice of successor wasn't.

Alright, thanks everyone, now it makes more sense.
Just one more questions, what are the principles of the mu'tazilah? I've read things that differ quite a bit from one another

>>2977689
>Sunnis kill Ali

Are you retarded?

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>>2978007
mfw after checking what you just said and realizing the book i'm using is blatantly wrong.
The fuck have i been reading up until now

>>2977905
The problems are their lack of belief in predestination and belief the Quran was created, they don't have beliefs that are in side Islam