Was he truly responsible for Soviet victory at Stalingrad, or

thatd be vatutyin who encircled the 6th army, chuikov did his job not losing stalingrad as long as he did

the plan and supervising preparations was ofcourse the work of zhukov, who did this to the weebs at khalkhin ghol already

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>>2976363
He was very much responsible considering Stalin didn't want to focus on a victory there at all.

Chuikov fought a masterful defensive campaign, taking full advantage of the city. He lacked the usual Russian advantage of overwhelming numbers. He also was intelligent enough to rein in the commissars and spread propaganda to the effect that they were fighting for their homes and Mother Russia not the communist party. While remaining cold hearted enough to order the execution of so many deserters. I think that Chuikov was the best army commander the Soviets had. Zhukov was their best general of course but he was an Army Group, planning and organisational genius.
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>>2976565
Khalkhin Gol was a masterpiece by Zhukov and his best battle imo considering what the Soviets were overcoming with their shortage of supplies and poorly motivated conscripts against the battle hardened veterans of the Kwangtung army.

>>2976363
I'd say the germans were the ones responsible for the Soviet victory at Stalingrad, by a large margin; any foe with the resources of the Soviets would have easily encircled the 6th army when it's flanks were left to be defended by subpar Axis allies armies, meaning 2 Romanian armies and some Italian + Hungarian units. These allies had absolutely no heavy antitank weaponry, stories abound how Hungarians barely even had enough ammo for their rifles, Romanians trying to fight tanks with molotov cocktails/grenades or by climbing on top of them and trying to open the hatches with hammers (lol). One can imagine the slaughter these peasants suffered in the early hours of the Uranus offensive, it wasn't even a real fight for the soviets, they just ran them over with armor and those who ran were gun down. What little antitank armament was available did indeed create pockets of resistance, but the Soviets just bypassed them and completed the encirclement. From there on, it was basically game over for the axis troops, their only choice was to brake through and escape, but Hitler fucking ordered them not to and die.

>>2976790
>Zhukov was their best general of course but he was an Army Group, planning and organisational genius.

Zhukov is a creature of propaganda, regularly taking credits of others' achievements.

The plan for the Stalingrad encirclement was created by officers of marshal Malinovsky's staff. Zhukov at that time was preparing what was to become the main Soviet offensive - the battle of Rzhev (operation Mars). Rzhev was typical Zhukov with its reliance on heavy artillery and mass infantry assaults, nowhere near the finesse of the Stalingrad offensive Operation Saturn).

Rzhev turned into a bloodbath with no gains, so Zhukov was hastly sent to Stalingrad to steal the glory from someone else.

>>2976790
>Khalkhin Gol was a masterpiece by Zhukov

Khalkhin Gol was Baltic-fleet tier comedy of errors on both sides.

>>2976804
>Zhukov was sent... to steal glory from someone else


If anything his achievements were actually downplayed toward the end of the Stalinist era.

>>2976804
>tinfoil hat intesifies

>>2976810
Zhukov was downplayed during LATE Stalinist era. There's evidence that Stalingrad intended another Great Purge after WW2, and that would include the army.

Stalin's goons' careers were on a roller coaster. Yesterday's heroes and favourites were tomorrow's traitors.

>>2976804
>Stalingrad offensive Operation Saturn
Either you mean Uranus or the later Little Saturn.Decide

>>2976804
Even if that is the case the defense of Moscow and the resulting counterattack were directly under the command of Zhukov and that was a skilfully conducted campaign which took full advantage of General Winter and trading space for time.
Zhukov was also the General in charge of holding Leningrad against the first German assaults, however that was fairly easy as the Germans had no idea how to assault a defended city.

>>2976894
nor did they want to take it, they were completely fine by starving it to death, what would they even do with millions of civilians, it sounded better that stalin couldnt feed them

They only decided on that option following being beaten back and several times throughout the war Hitler would order the assault to be resumed. To starve the city was not their original plan.