Wars in which the good guys lost

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>>2975834

>>2975834
In what way were they the good guys? They lost an election and chimped out.

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>>2975858
There's nothing in the Constitution about states no being able to leave or the Federal government being able to stay, so the power of secession rested within the states.

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>>2975834

>>2975885
U.S. backed the wrong side.

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>>2975834
not to say Sparta was the bad guy, but the other principle parties against Athens were worse.

>>2975834
>muh slaves
>>2975845
>muh colony

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>>2975875
>start the war by firing the first shots
>blame the other side for the war when they lose even though they started it
???

>>2975834
Ww2

>>2975981
>no Punic Wars posted yet
Thank god. Contrarian, subhuman Carthaboo hipsters are either asleep, or they finally killed themselves after my many requests.

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>>2975976
The Union troops were on state territory.

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Chinese Civil War
Russian Civil War

You can say what you want, the Red Plague had no equal in fighting guerrilla wars

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Cold War

>>2975834
The Second Boer War

>>2975990
>defending genocide

>>2975834
It depends on your version of good

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>>2976054
>start chinese civil war by killing the workers of shanghai
>take a break from civil war, to fight japs
>do a bunch of dumbshit, like the yellow river damn
>loses civil war he started, and fucks off to taiwan,
>the taiwanese rebel cause of bad government
>kill 1000s
>military dicatorship for decades

>>2976085
>Mao starved 45 million people

do I need to say more?

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>>2975834

>your ancestors in the 11th Mississippi Infantry will never drive US Forces from Cemetery Ridge
>your ancestors will never give the remnants of the Union Army chase all the way to the very gates of Washington, winning the race and destroying them somewhere in Eastern Pennsylvania
>your ancestors will never sweep aside crumbling Union defenses at Arlington Heights with the sheer momentum of their advance
>your ancestors will never take the hated Union capital street by street
>your ancestors will never storm the White House and personally confront the tyrant Lincoln
>your ancestors will never run a saber through his heart as repayment for all the death and misery he's caused the Southern people
>your ancestors will never plant the battle flag they carried into battle countless times on the roof of the White House
>your ancestors will never stand guard as General Meade is forced to relinquish his sword to Robert E. Lee himself
>your ancestors will never run through the streets of Washington, cheering and hollering at the news of the North's surrender
>your ancestors will never parade through the streets of Richmond and place the flags of the vanquished tyrants at the feet of the Virginia Washington Monument
>your ancestors will never be thanked by President Davis personally for your part in the victory

Fuck it, just kill me now.

>>2976094
Next time.

>>2975922
Gommie basterd

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>>2976094
>ywn burn down Atlanta with Sherman
>ywn blow the fuck out of Johnny Reb so hard that he still bitches about it 150 years later even though he started the war

>>2976085
Gommie basterd.

>>2976056
Gommie basterd,

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>>2975834
>men who wanted to keep millions in bonded labour
> good
heres a real good guy

>>2976094

What do people honestly think a victorious Confederacy would be like? Best case scenario is it becoming an anglo Brazil, worst case is a violent collapse/slave revolt/secessions that end in the Union reconquering it anyway piece by piece.

>>2976101
CINOs is more like it. Maybe you should learn a bit more of history.

Either way, now we're on quite friendly terms and strong trade partners, so the war was ultimately a waste.

>>2976111
>literally fighting a war over keeping people as living farm-equipment
Was there ever a worse and more unethical reason to go to war in human history?

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>>2976097

This, Soviet Union in '45-tier Revenge now

>>2976102

You won't be laughing when we turn every city above Mason-Dixon into glass you fucking Northern parasite. We are going to kill every single Yankee down to the last man, woman, and faggot pronoun. All of you deserve nothing short of total extermination. ALL OF YOU.

>>2976111

>incompetent religious zealot who wanted America to be Christian Saudi Arabia
>good guy

lol sure

>>2975834
The war between God and Satan.

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>>2976120

Bring the Jubilee, Gray Victory, and Starcraft are probably the most accurate scenarios Tbh.

>>2976032
I understand that the federal government was just attempting to provoke the scenario. But the forts are federal United States property. Just like Guantanamo bay is own by the US.

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>>2976125

>>2975834
Spanish Civil War

>>2976032
To the union it was union territory. And it remains union territory.
>anime poster when it has nothing to do with the topic
>Dixie larper that can't even put up decent arguments for the confederacy
Checks out, what a powerful iq poster.

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>>2976145
>gets help from the Axis
>doesn't help the Axis in WWII
Even for a fascist, Franco sucks.

>>2976150
>Even for a fascist, Franco is Smart.
FTFY

>>2976150
Think about this for 2 seconds and you'd know it was the right idea us would so fucking easily invade through Spain and the Germans couldn't dream about extending fortifications down the bay of Biscay and defending it. The war would be over by 42 if Spain "helped"

>>2976132

I'm only familiar with the first of those, but that's incredibly optimistic and dismissive of the fact that the Union would have a massive population and industrial advantage even after losing eleven or twelve of its states. Even if it were able to war of independence against the Union, it could also never have the industrial capacity (especially since its constitution explicitly banned federal internal improvement) or military projection to conquer and hold down all of Latin America. King Cotton's days would be numbered with Europe getting most of its cotton from Africa and India, and with abolitionism having spiked in popularity in the Union you would probably see large-scale slave revolts, which would probably trigger the Union to invade a second time (the desire for revenge would make post-1870 French revanchism look mild).

The political precedent of secession could also undo the Confederacy. Texas doesn't like what those goddamn Richmond politicians are doing? Why not just leave?

>>2976138

>use nuclear weapons
>entire country is glassed by Russia and China who realize the US Government has completely lost its marbles

Whoever wrote this really should've read about nuclear game theory beforehand

>>2976182
>Russia and China nuke the US because the US detonated nukes in its own territory
really activates those almonds

>>2976091
'cept he didn't, Coonquest statistics are a meme

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>>2976178
>Texas doesn't like what those goddamn Richmond politicians are doing? Why not just leave?

That's actually the plot of "If the South Had Won the Civil War" by MacKinlay Kantor, albeit that one gets kinda shitty towards the end because it's just the world in the exact same spot it was in before except Sarah Palin's backyard is literally Russia.

>>2976101
>America tries to break away from the British due to a perceived lack of citizen's rights, this is okay.
>Vietnam tries to break away from France due to a perceived lack of citizen's rights, this is not okay
How strange.

>>2976189

If Russia or China used a nuclear weapon against an internal revolt, the American reaction would be almost exactly the same. We'd assume they'd lost the ability to govern effectively, posed an immediate threat to the outside world, and go all out.

>>2976189
He's obviously highly autistic. He responded to a comic about Sherman using nukes seriously because he's extremely butthurt that the south lost. Imagine how autistic a person like that must be. Stop replying to him.

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>>2975834
Napoleon should have won and restored the Gaulish Empire of Europe

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>>2976196

>points out obvious illogical part of the plot
>is autistic

You'd have to have the IQ of a nigger not to see the problem you stupid munkoid

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>>2975834
Emu War

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>>2976195
>Russia uses nuke against internal revolt
>America and China nuke Russia
>Russia, still in control of its own nuclear arsenal, nukes them in retaliation

>>2976204
>taking a one-panel comic this seriously
End it.

>>2976194
North had the wrong bedfellows during a period where political ideology split the world.

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Hundred Years' War, oh what could've been

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Surprised no one has mentioned World War 1 yet. The world would be a much better place if Germany won.

>>2976190
>established historical fact
>i don't like it, so I call it a meme and ignore it

>>2976344
How exactly?

>>2976456
They likely would have intervened in Russia and crushed the Soviets, smothering communism in its crib. Monarchism is much less damaging imo.

>>2976124
>Was there ever a worse and more unethical reason to go to war in human history?
Unleashing the nation destroying bioweapon known as Africans

>>2976456
>no communist Russia
>no treaty of Versailles
>no WW2 ruining ethnonationalism forever

>>2976472
>literally import africans by the millions to the country in the first place so you can exploit them
>damn niggers ruinin our country
gg

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>>2976487
No genuine nationalist would have wanted the Central Powers to have won.

>>2976520
Dear lord, what the fuck is wrong with that Poland? Why the hell couldn't they have just rebuilt the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth if they wanted Poland to not still be landlocked?

Also, "No genuine nationalist would have wanted the Central Powers to have won"? What that fuck is that supposed to mean?

>>2976140
>>2976145
False

>>2976288
this

>>2976537
>What that fuck is that supposed to mean?

WW1 symbolizes the end of dynasties and the victory of the nationstate. Just look at the map.

Any war in which England won

>>2976554
>the end of dynasties and the victory of the nationstate

Germany was already a federation under the brand of "empire" by the time WW1 started. The Habsburg and Ottoman dynasties were on the verge of collapse right as the war started. The Russian Empire's collapse was directly aided, if not caused by Germany when they liberated Poland and the Baltics, as well as helping send along Lenin to St. Petersburg. The Ukraine would've become an actual nation-state on a map 70 or so years early if it wasn't for Germany's defeat. And the "victors" were just as, if not more imperialist than any of the Central Powers, given how they stole all of Germany's colonies away and split them between Britain, France and Japan, yanked away German territory to the neutral nations of Denmark, the Netherlands, and Poland, THE NATION THAT WOULD NOT HAVE COME BACK TO EXISTENCE WITHOUT GERMANY'S ACTIONS. And of course, you can't forget how they wanted to take away half of Anatolia from the Ottomans despite the Armenian Genocide specifically being a Trail of Tears to get rid of non-Turkish ethnicities, and Turkey only managed to hold onto it because of Ataturk in the post-war aftermath. Also how they promised Israel to both the Jews and Arabs if they would fight against the Ottomans, and we're still nowhere near hearing the end of the ethnic/religious conflict over the Middle East.

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>>2975834
VINYARD STATUS: TRAMPLED OUT

Sherman did nothing wrong

#MakeGeorgiaHowlAgain

Every war where england lost.

>>2976094
>let me tell you about yankees

>>2976520
That map is false, post WW1 Danish/German border needs to be further south.

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>>2975834

>>2975875
There's the fucking supremacy clause you dingus

>>2975923
Thebes was the good guy though, even though I also liked Athens

>>2975834
Literally every single battle in Anatolia after 1000 CE

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>>2976125
This post, fuck it's so garbage it's gold

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>>2975834

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>>2976960

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>>2976278
Or was it?

>>2976960
>0 search results

>>2977096
bad meme, change inbreeding to anglo-utilitarianism

>>2977114
>he said, being of no use

>>2976056
Only correct answer, capitalism is a plague.

>>2976128
Patrician answer, only if you are implying Satan is winning right now tho

I'm no tankie but Afghanistan would be much better off had they lost
Look at Tajikistan for reference, poor but not war torn

The Gallic wars is the only correct answer

>>2976145
>commietards getting stomped
>bad

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>>2975834
>>2975875
>>2976032
>>2976094

This

>your ancestors in the 15th Alabama Infantry will never win the race up Little Round Top, catching the 20th Maine with their pants down and wiping them out to virtually the last man
>the Confederate Army will never sweep over the Yankees' left flank, causing their entire defensive line to collapse
>your ancestors will never go after the now collapsing Army of the Potomac, chasing them down piecemeal across Pennsylvania and Maryland
>General Lee will never order the entire ANV to stop the pursuit and move against the now underprotected Washington City before Union reinforcements arrive
>Washington City will never fall to a surprise night assault by Confederate forces
>Abraham Lincoln will be standing there on the White House lawn, waiting for your ancestors as if they were honored guests
>Lincoln will never invite General Lee inside to negotiate an armistice
>Lee will never stop your ancestors from raising the Confederate flag over the White House, instructing them not to enter or deface the building as a gesture of goodwill
>Britain and France will never be the first two nations to recognize the Confederacy
>Lincoln will never sign a formal peace agreement with Jefferson Davis, ending the war with the recognition of the Confederate States of America
>Lee will never become President of the CSA and help convince the Confederate people that slavery must end if the South is to survive as an independent nation
>The Confederacy will never show its gratitude to Britain and France by joining the Allies against Germany 80 years later
>The 15th Alabama, now a parachute regiment will never be dropped into the Netherlands as part of Operation Market Garden
>Confederate skirmishers operating behind enemy lines will never pull her from a derailed train bound for Occupied Poland
>She'll never look upon the Battle Flag carried by her rescuers for the first time
>she'll never marvel at the simple saltire, and the 13 stars adorning it

>>2975834
The Arab-Byzantine wars

>>2976059

/thread/

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>>2978828
>your ancestors in the 15th Alabama Infantry will never win the race up Little Round Top, catching the 20th Maine with their pants down and wiping them out to virtually the last man
I remember a great quote about Little Round Top in Ken Burn's Civil War doc.
>The men we faced were from the 15th Alabama. They said they'd never been whipped before, and never wanted to meet the 20th of Maine again.

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>>2978942

Funny thing is Chamberlain pretty much said the same thing of the 15th Alabama.

>these were manly men, whom we could befriend and by no means kill, if they came our way in peace and good will.

It was a battle not won by who was more courageous, both sides were equal in that. But by timing. Much as the Civil War itself, Gettysburg could be accurately described as a race against time. Where a few insignificant minutes could spell the difference between victory or death. If the 20th Maine had been delayed for whatever reason by 10-20 minutes, the 15th would've beaten them to the top of the hill and they would've had reversed roles. Instead, it would've been the 20th Maine desperately attempting to retake Little Round Top before Hood's Brigade can reinforce it.

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I cry every time

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We could have teamed up with the Nazis and genocided every single fucking communist in Europe

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>>2979035

At least we got a decent song out of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGIvR5Lz-3Q

>>2978828

Who's "her-"

>looks at image
>"let's leave the cupboard anon-kun"

Oh, THAT girl.

>>2976150
>Franco
>fascist

>>2978828
I hate you pregnant kike posters.

>>2979035

never heard of it

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>>2978828

>managed to combine Bring the Jubilee, Guns of the South, Southern Victory, Band of Brothers, and pregnant Anne Frank erotica into one greentext

>>2978828
Dixieboo autism but otherwise good post.

>>2978828
Good Lord, stfu.

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>>2978828

That was an... Interesting twist at the end.

wtf I want to read Anne Frank description of General Armistead's desperate final mad dash up Cemetery Ridge now.

>>2976094
>Fighting to keep niggers in our country.

Dixieboos are apex cucks.

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>>2979720

That's funny coming from someone fighting to give niggers rights

>>2976193
I saw that book back when I was 12 at the city library and never got to read it due to moving. Thank you for the author's name, been looking for that book.

>>2976150
They sent volunteers, but they were restricted to fighting the soviets, Franco didn't want worse relations with the western powers

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>>2978828

>Dixieboos
>Turtledoveposting
>pregnant Anne Frank fetish

Can we just get an Anne Frank x Sam Watkins fanfic going already?

>>2976102

Dixie couldn't singlehandedly-destroy USA in a week TOP KEK YANKEE PIG SHIT!!! Oh believe you me, us Southerners are ITCHING for a war with USA. We will fucking ANNIHILATE your dirty country. There wouldn't be a square meter of Yankee soil that has running water, electricity, or petrol that isn't on fire, once our airforce and navy is done bombarding your defenseless country. Then, our army boys (we'd send the niggers and other mongrel races first) would swoop in, raping your women, and killing EVERY Yankee pig shit they see. When Dixie's done with you, we will have committed acts of genocide. Of course no one is gonna do shit about it

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>>2979921
Calm it Cletus, even though your skin might be white you're just another nigger to your plantation overlords.

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>>2979921

I unironically want this to happen

>>2979921

tupac alive in alabama, tupac making album of alabama . fast rap tupac alabama. we are rich and have detergent now hahahaha ha because of tupac… you are ppoor stink yank… you live in a trailer hahahaha, you live in a car

>>2976288

whoever wins you're still ruled by stinking frenchmen

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>>2976094

>your ancestors will never parade through the streets of Richmond and place the flags of the vanquished tyrants at the feet of the Virginia Washington Monument

I didn't realize you were a Sovietphile Nathan

>>2979921
The South will rise again, the North will raze again.

>>2975834
might is right, there are no good losers

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>>2976145
If they'd never accepted equipment from the Soviets then sure, they'd be the good guys. Sure they also would have lost even quicker, but the moment they asked the Soviets for help the Communists sunk their hocks into the Republican government and military, infiltrating key positions so that by mid 1937 Spain is a borderline police state.

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>>2975834

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>>2976125
I wish we had won the war and then kicked you out of the Union anyway.

Enjoy your sugar water!

>>2978828

Sherman should have finished the job

why are people on the internet always completely fucking retarded when they talk about the usage of nuclear weapons?

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>>2975875
>literally owning human beings as property
>setting an entire class of kidnapped foreigners back in socioeconomic terms for generations after
>rebelling for their "right" to do this
>"they were the good guys, muh states rights"

>>2976472
how is middle school?

>>2976140
probably the best answer so far

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>>2976878
slavers btfo

>>2976278
>>2976278
DRV has continual, fundamental disagreements with USSR and PRC and was never a part of either's sphere of influence. They were basically the Tito of Asia.

The US should never have been there, the elections in 1956 should have been held. Diem was a fuck.

>>2976278
>Strange Bedfellows

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>>2980206

What? Jealous that the South could save those you could not? Or are you one of those hyper autistic NEETsoc Unionist types?

Salty Dixiefags are the worst

>>2976182
It's a joke, are you fucking autistic?

>>2980792
>namefag
>not autistic
How is this even in question?

>>2976182
This confirms everyone in the south has a sub 90 IQ

>>2980778

it's so forced in this day and age

I frown upon roleplaying

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>>2980818

Unlike Shermanboos whose genocidal inclinations are 100% legit.

>>2980962
Shermanboos are a meme response to Dixiefags

>>2975885
South Vietnam literally had no legal right to exist after they shot down the reunification vote, which they knew the Communists would win 90% in.

>>2980962

>burning means of continuing the war and defeating the south
>genocidal

also, Indians delenda est

>>2975875
>there's no rule that says a dog can't play basketball!

>>2981263

Shermanboos say things like kill all Southerners on a routine basis

>>2981334

it was not the intent of course for the march to the sea to be some ruinous campaign of murder of rapine, that is a southern meme, brought on by the bitterness at defeat and helplessness to halt the advancing righteous host

this belief comes up when those weird roleplaying southerners talk about the war, and people goad them by feeding into it

>>2975845
Fpbp

>>2981727

I can disagree with the south's betrayal and dislike modern revisionist barbarians at the same time, and I do

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>>2978828

I didn't know Jeff Mangum was a Neo-Confederate...

Neutral Milk Hotel rendition of Dixie when?

>>2979729
DO
IT
AGAIN
UNCLE
BILLY

>>2981727
>make a choice that drags out the war and costs more american lives because "muh homeland" knowing either way you lose
>dixiefags remember you as noble

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>>2975990
I'd like to note that nobody was the good guy in this situation. Even so, the Punic Wars destroyed my second favorite Mediterranean civilization.

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>>2982470
>"muh homeland"

Typical rootless cosmopolitan Yankee trash

>>2982589

America is our homeland, as God granted us.

>>2975834
Most of them. State is a beast, and a malevolent one.

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>>2975845

>completely unsustainable minority govt which made zero progress towards its promises of gradual enfranchisement and economically dependent on black farmers who it utterly failed to protect from ZANLA terrorism despite the tactical success of le memecopter fireforces


>>2975834

>Cotton Kikes fighting for the explicit purpose of defending chattel slavery because the rest of the nation had the fucking nerve to finally elect an uncucked POTUS who wouldn't let the Slave Power continue to violate the rights of free states by sending agents to seize freedmen on Northern soil

Rhodieboos and Lost Causers are true cancer, and I say this as a North Carolinian whose father served in the RLI.

>>2976032
States aren't soverign, that's ludicrous.

>>2976032

Fort Sumter was not South Carolinian territory. It was federal land.

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>>2982836

>Rhodieboos

Because a nation going from one of the most bountiful producers of foodstuff in Africa to a literally UN basketcase is so much better right?

>Lost Causers

If you're pissed about Slave Power violating the rights of the Northern states, secession would've solved that problem by default. The Confederate States of America is a separate country and no longer has any say in what happens in the United States. Problem solved.

You're a filthy scalawag at minimum and probably not even a Tarheel.

>>2982887
Virginian here.

The CSA were scum.

>>2982893
>Virginian

West Virginia lost the right to call itself Virginia 150 years ago faggot

>>2982893

Northern invaders don't count as Virginians. They're literal subhumans who need to be exterminated.

>>2982907
Born and raised in the Shenandoah Valley.

The CSA were run by rapists and murderers.

They were little more than a pack of flies, and they had no more ability to reflect upon their actions and contribute to humanity than a mosquito has to stop giving people malaria and join the Peace Corps.

Dixie, and dixieboos, were the most treasonous, unamerican human beings ever to walk the face of the earth.

Any human being that could claim the right to force a human being to work themselves to death in a crocodile infested swamp, and then conflate that right with the unalienable rights in the Constitution, is so thoroughly depraved as to incapable of functioning in a civilized society.

If you really want to experience what the CSA was all about, there's nobody stopping you from defecting to North Korea.

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>>2982934
>Born and raised in the Shenandoah Valley.

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>>2982934

t. traitor to his own state and people or an assblasted nigger

Either way, you deserve the Rope.

Give us your address so we can hang you faster.

>>2982960
>i love my rights of free speech and the liberty of my country and state so i will kill you for annoying me
Go suck a warlord's jackboot.

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>>2982975

No, we're killing you for being a Yankee-loving traitor.

You're probably one of ex-cons who voted for Morrissey and helped swing Virginia for Clinton.

>>2981294
> he doesn't understand what the constitution fucking is

at least point out the supremacy clause or something like the other poster

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>>2982975

Make no mistake, you are not a Virginian, but a stinking enemy collaborator and on the Day of Reckoning, collaborators will be first to go

>>2983055
Actually an englishman, we banned slavery across all colonies except for the imperial whipping boy, india, and nobody screamed and started to stab their fellow country men over it.

>>2982887

Mugabe is a fucking nigger but that doesn't exonerate Ian Smith for UDI. It did not have to play out that way. Look at Botswana next door - they took majority rule in the 1960s without a dumbass white bitchfit civil war and have had a functional democracy ever since with the highest HDI in the region. If Rhodesia's whites hadn't made communists the heroes of black self rule it could have happened there too.

tl;dr Mugabe and Ian Smith are both fucking idiots and you can hate one without exonerating the other.

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>>2983005

>cuckfederate calling other people traitors

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>>2982960

do we need to reconstruct you again, cletus?

>People this mad about a war 152 years ago
Pathetic

>>2975834
The Cold War

>>2983378
Culture wars get pretty bitter, just see the catholic/protestant threads. Those wars ended 369 years ago but they are alive and well here on 4chan.

I wonder how popular our era will be for future culture warriors.

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>>2975834
It would have went will had SOMEBODY not decided to go for a swim

>>2983399
>Those wars ended 369 years ago

NornIron.jpg

>>2975856
Only Answer. The world would be a better place if the First Battle of the Marne went differently. FACT.

>>2983414
>Germany winning the war and being paid reparations didn't keep them from starting another war
>Germany losing a war, having hundreds of thousands of their women raped, and then being spitroasted for half a century did

I submit to you that the world wars were in fact a product of German expansionism rather than of German victimization.

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The Great Northern War

>>2983420
The War would have been over in less than two months.

>>2983427
And they would have started another one.

People don't stop gambling when they keep winning.

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>>2976094
>>2976097
>>2976125
>>2978828
>>2979921
Unironically kill all confederates and southern royalists

IT WAS FEDERAL LAND

IT WAS FEDERAL LAND

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Does anyone have that post of the Articles of Secession or whatever it was called? Not an American so I can't recall the name. Last I saw it posted it made it pretty clear that slavery was a primary reason for the war.

>>2983754
Except that Sherman was interested in burning property, not killing Southerners. Which you would know if you knew anything about the subject instead of being a Yankee LARPer.

>>2983414

Good joke. The Second Reich's cancerous polity would have turned Europe into a bloodbath of revolution when the welfare state inevitably failed. Do you think the Spartacists came out of nowhere in 1918? Germany had a huge Communist wing which would not simply go away because they won in 1914. Given how shit Wilhelm II was at reform, civil war and the general destabilization of Europe would be a neat certainty.

>dixiefags still take shermanposters seriously and dont realize theyre just trying to rile them up

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>>2983754

>killing the Confederates while they're trying to save Anne Frank >>2978828

Fucking Antisemite

>>2976032
Wow I had no idea a Federal fort is state territory. Really scrambles my eggs you fucking 15 year old.

>>>>r*ddit

>>2984531
Yeah, because a sovereign state is going to let a hostile foreign power control access to its ports.

>>2976125
The cry of autism.

>>2976520
This map is retarded. Eastern Europe looled nothing like that in 1919. USSR was not even founded until 1923.

>>2984536
Sovereign state? Thats weird, I didnt know the US recognized the Confederacy. Really spins my marbles.

>>>>r/history

>>2983430
You stop if you have self control.

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>nobody mentioned this
I want Americans to be banned from history boards.

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Might be irrelevant compared to some of the wars already posted but despite how brutal the government would get, El Salvador would've definitely been a better place if they crushed the communists

>>2976288
This is funny one, as brits allways remember how the english army slaughtered all those french knights in Agincourt but then forget that afterwards got buttdevastated by french and ended up losing all their landholdings in France.

>>2976198
Fucking this, Napoleon was the greatest "bad guy" of all time, shouldn't have gotten a little greedy towards the last 2 years but we all make mistakes

WWII is the only serious answer to be absolutely honest

>>2981621
was gonna post thius

The Native Americans

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Polish - Russian war in 1792

If Commonwealth mange to survive Napoleon would won war against Coalitions

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Winter War
Continuation War

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>>2975834
The wars that the Rashidun Caliphate started.

>>2984945
B-but... muh longbows.

>>2984556
>I didnt know any government recognized the Confederacy. Really spins my marbles.

Fixed it for you

>>2985485
I cry every time.

>>2979039

>prefering a fascist boot licking state over a glorious communist utopia

i wonder what it's like to wake up wanting another human to rape you, and I guess this guy knows

>>2984754

Better for the rich maybe

>>2976537
>>2976554
Gdansk wasn't even polish after 1919, it was a 'free city' under control of the league of nations. Poland was still kind of landlocked.

>>2976054
>m-muh white guard
USSR>Russian Empire in every way possible

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>>2983423
Heh

>>2980217
you realize the north didnt get rid of slavery till several years after the war started right?

>>2975834
There are never good guys in a war

>>2976167
>>2976145
not really

imagine a fascist Spain bullying the UK after France fell, seizing Gibraltar and cutting off the med.

Honestly spain could have been the key to the axis forces winning, I doubt the US would have joined against the germans and probably would have slung some deal with the japs.

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>>2985691
Heh

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>>2986258
Heh

>>2984983
Seriously, the USSR may have been on the winning side but they didn't really win like they should have.

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>>2986328

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>>2975834
OP is not a faggot

>>2976288
honestly both sides were decent guys but the right ones definitely won

>>2985759
The North didn't have slaves and The South seceded from fear of Lincoln taking their slaves but don't let this get in the way of your lost cause

>>2985599
It's better for the rich now, if you're not rich in El Salvador today you're either dirt poor and surrounded by MS or live in a rural area with no one around. At least the government was trying agricultural reforms around the time the war started.

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>>2986643
>The North didn't have slaves

>What is Maryland, Deleware, Missouri, New Jersey, and Kentucky

>>2986655
These places are the South. Just because they didn't secede doesn't make them the North. It also doesn't change why the secession happened.

>>2986653
The agricultural reforms were thwarted by the military juntas and the death squads.

That's why the war started in the first place.

>>2986663
delta goalpost

>>2986663
>New Jersey
>South

I love Sherman, but come on now.

>>2986715
I didn't notice he said NJ but I don't believe they had slaves

>>2986707
I didn't move goalposts retard read my original reply to you. I mentioned the original reason of secession

>>2985474
>We will never have a modern day industrialized byzantine empire
>We will never worship a weird zoroastrian god in ancient iranian pagan temples
REEEE I FUCKING HATE KHALID THAT FUCKING CHAD

>>2986728

Sorry I just glanced at this thread and only read your last post. Not the guy you're talking to.

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>>2986680
>tfw grandpa was one of the people to take advantage of the program
>tfw because he wasn't full blown Pipil or Lenca, the government didn't fuck with him

I'm not saying its a good thing but it really wasn't all that bad if you weren't a Native, most of the wars began the government and everyone else in general seem to always shit on the Natives in El Salvador. The only ones who caught a break were the ones like my paternal grandfather who said "Fuck it" and sided with the government to spy on commies so he wouldn't get genocided.

El Salvador is a lot more complex than people let on nowadays

>>2985557
Except none did little under age. This isnt even r*eddit tier, just bait. Really cranks my cranium.

>>2986723

Slavery was still legal on the books in New Jersey (albeit seldom practiced) right up until the 13th Amendment went into effect in 1866.

>>2984597
And the Germans didn't

>>2983838
>bien property
>burn southfags property

Even better!

>>2986663
In what sort of alternate universe is New Jersey Southern?

>>2986943
>>2986723

>>2987032
That doesn't make it Southern. Was New England Southern before they abolished slavery?

>>2987043
>reading comprehension

>>2986545
No make believe wars pls

>>2987059
Using the term "reading comprehension" in regards to a link with no comment isn't really relevant.

>>2987088
It was a reply to another person pointing out NJ is not the South in which I point out I didn't catch that he had written NJ if you had read that thread you would know this. I said reading comprehension because you grossly misunderstood the post.