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Crusader ethnicities?

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What ethnic backgrounds did Crusaders come from? I know obviously there were lots of French and Germans of various kinds, but what else? Slavs? Did any Iberian crusaders make it to the holy land? I feel like I read about a Scandinavian crusader once but I'm not sure. Are there any documented accounts of particularly odd or unlikely groups producing crusaders, like Finns or Balts?

And what about the Crusader states? Did any of their subjects begin to develop their own group identity?

I refer only to the crusades in the Holy Land.
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>>2970505
Going off of OP's post, I was wondering if the crusaders had any impacts on the admixture of the Levantine people.
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>>2970505
Iberian crusaders were mostly concerned with the land they lived in but there would've been a lot of Italian crusaders, particularly from Southern Italy and Sicily
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Mainly French lords ended up ruling the Holy Land, however at least in the first crusade the Crusaders themselves came from literally all over Christendom
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>>2970505
Depends on the Crusade.
In the first Crusade, they were mostly from France.

Godfrey of Bouillon was German and Bohemond was from Italy (but he was a Norman).
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>>2970505
Italians too, there were even Sardinian crusaders
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>>2970505
There was a large Hungarian army that fought in Syria during the 5th Crusade under the command of Andrew II, I assume there was a lot of various Slavs like the Croats in their ranks too.
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>>2970505
>I feel like I read about a Scandinavian crusader once but I'm not sure.
Sigurd the Crusader
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They were all Franks according to the Saracens
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>>2970791
?
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>>2970542
No . They were always expelled or genocided by buttmad Saracens after capturing a city
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>>2970797
The Muslims referred to all crusaders as Franks, which is a good indicator that they were the bulk of the crusader forces or at least the first ones they encountered.
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Though they were all known as "Franks" they came from all over Western Europe. The two main groups were Germans and French, but there were many Sicilian Normans, Venetians and some English (though the lines are blurred as to whether English knights of the period were actually English or French but I digress) etc.
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>>2970542
i know there is a palestinian christian family named Sleibi which is the dialectal pronunciation of Arabic صليبي ṣalībī meaning "Crusader" (literally "of the cross", the same word that ISIS uses for Westerners). I don't know whether or not this hints at their ancestry at all but it's an interesting fact.

here's a video of a singer with that name:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoXyN9R51n8
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>>2970505
Snowniggers
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>>2970815
come to think of it, "Frank" is actually a pretty good general term that includes both French and Germans...
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>>2970806
Pretty sure muslims encountered ALL The Crusaders, it's Not like The minorities went there for a pic nick
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>>2970806
Maybe not by that point, but Franks has been used for centuries for all native Westerners.

>>2970818
Saliba / Sliwa is also a common name.
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>>2970505
As other have said, settlers in the Crusader states came from all over Western Europe, predominately France, various German principalities, and Italian city states, along with locals who either were Christian to begin with or converted over the years.

>Did any of their subjects begin to develop their own group identity?

No not really, it's important to state that during the late medieval ages, the idea of the nation-state hasn't really developed. Countries of the time were formed based of subject loyalty to a feudal lord. States such as France back then had a large mix of Occitans, Normans, Britons, and Flemish peoples, but were still subjects of the French king and loyal to him rather than the idea of a nation.

The Crusader states functioned as theocratic states rather than national, where people who believed in the Catholic faith formed the bedrock of identity rather than the ethnic makeup of French/German/Italians who lived there differentiating them.
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>>2970505
Slavs weren't even considered christians after the schism.

Not that they are in the modern world either.
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>>2970859
>The minorities
Mate, we're talking about the Levant. They weren't minorities there.
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>>2970997
Do you realize how many centuries the Crusades were after the Schism?
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>>2970997
Triple retarded post.

1) Orthodox were definitely considered Christian, the Schism isn't even a single specific event, it took centuries for the two Churches to distance from each other and even then, there were numerous attempts are reconciliation
2) Do you know what the word "modern" even means? And certain Slavic states were more developed than certain West European states at various periods.
3) Croats, Slovenes, a lot of Bosnians and West Slavs were Catholics
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>>2970597
Godfrey was from modern Belgium and was closer to French than German
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>>2970997
There were catholic Slavs. Poland was full of them. They mostly killed Lithuanian nigger pagans though
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>>2970597
>Godfrey of Bouillon was German

Nope he was French

Nice try tho, Hans
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>>2970505
A popular myth is France, but in reality most crusaders where from the HRE as it was the biggest and most populous country at the time of the crusades.
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>>2971052

Flemish actually
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>>2971052
Lothringen was HRE and so was Gottfried. Go wewuz somehwere else Françoise!
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>>2971068
What language did he speak Adolph?
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>>2971060
Much of the HRE was not German. Places like Burgundy were far more French than German and places in the east were essentially Slavic, not to mention places that were clearly Italian.
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>>2971077
Several. His native tongue likely was some lower Rhine Germanic dialect, just like his mother. Of course he must have also picked up some French from his serfs.
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>>2971082
>WEWUZ HRE N SHIEEET!
Why is it so hard to understand that in the 11th century, there was not much of French Kingdom yet. That came later
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>>2971103
Fuck off LARPING fatburger
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>>2971138
Nice argument there baguette nigger. Burgundy was part of the HRE for centuries, it didn't became French until the 16th century. Deal with it.
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>>2971068
>French blood
>Father from Boulogne, France and mother from Lorraine
>Born in Boulogne, France
>Spoke Old French
>Literally the leader of the French(oil speakers) during the First Crusade

>>2971089
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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depends on the crusade.

to enlighten the clueless OP: a crusade was an order put out by the papacy across all of christendom. during the crusades most of europe was part of christendom, and so the call went to all those under sway of the catholic church, so yes, you had crusaders from all over.
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>>2971157

next youre going to say charlemagne was french arent you
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>>2971103
Except in all cultural aspects he was more French than the Normans or Bretons and certainly not German.
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>>2971168
Not him but Charlemagne's dynasties certainly had a greater impact and are closer to the French royalty than the Germans'.
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>>2971157
>Boulogne
Was Flanders at the time and part of the HRE.
Checkmate Baguette
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>>2971103
the line that divided german and french speakers had already formed centuries before and basically never changed until the early modern period (and those weren't big changes).

>Nice argument there baguette nigger. Burgundy was part of the HRE for centuries
wat. burgundy was split in half since the treaty of verdun in the 9th century and had been under the king of france or a cadet line since the 10th century.
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>>2971192
the western part i mean
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>>2971177
flanders had flemish and french speaking parts at that time. its borders resembled nothing like "flemish belgium" today
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>>2971177
And yet their ethnic makeup, customs, and language were French. That's like saying the Mongols who live in China's borders aren't Mongols.
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>>2971192
Yes, just that Boulogne exactly was in Flanders and so in the HRE and the language line changed there.
And Burgundy was legal part of the HRE at the years of the first crusades.
check the map again for references >>2971060

I know this is hard to stomach for chauvinist Frenchies, but believe it or not, during the early and high medieval, France was simply not that important, and by far not as big as today.
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>>2971211
source on that please, because the noble families of Flanders where of Rhine Germanic origins, spoke Germanic dialects and gave their children Germanic names like Gottfried.
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>>2971168
Let's take a look at how looked Charlemagne and his sons to see if they were French or German :)

>>2971177
Boulogne was never a part of the HRE as for Flanders its nobility were French from Laon(See Baldwin I of Flanders)
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>>2971228
French wannabes to the core
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Primarily Franks, not even ''French'', at least the in first crusade.

The Antioch line was primarily Norman, the Tripoli line was Occitan.

There were some Bavarians, some Danes like this guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweyn_the_Crusader
if you say German you should say Saxon and there weren't that many actually. There were some South Germans, specifically the already mentioned Bavarians and the Swabians.

The House of William the Conqueror participated in the First Crusade as well, under his first born Robert. He wouldn't make it to the throne of England though.

Italians in terms of Pisan, Genoese and Venetians were active as merchants and transporters.

The Montferrat house, though Italian, probably spoke some Germanic dialect.
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>>2971215
then why did you say burgundy? the low countries wasn't known as "burgundy" until after the valois dukes consolidated it and ruled the province of burgundy way further south at the same time.

>Boulogne exactly was in Flanders and so in the HRE and the language line changed there.
Medieval Flanders had dutch speaking and french speaking parts. I can't find any maps to show the language divide at the time of the crusades but this is a map of the extent of old dutch, which seems to prove you right
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>>2971215
Flanders was under the French crown though source of regular contests between HRE and France itself.
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>>2970997
>this retard
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>>2971325
>Including this much
WE

By the way, Laon where originate the founder of the House of Flanders isn't in this area
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>>2970997
Most Slavs were Catholic back then. Russians weren't nearly as numerous as they are now.
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>>2970818
She's cute. Would bang
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>>2970505
Are you asking for crusader ethnicities? Or the ethnicities of crusader states.

Because a large number of people living in the crusader states were local boys: Arabs. Levantines, Greeks, Turkics, and whatnot.
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>>2971103
What you don't seem to understand is that being a part of a kingdom mean nothing

Blood and Language/Culture is more important when it comes to ethnicity
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>>2970505
The less known, Baltic crusades were fought by many nations, among them Russians, Poles, Swedes, Danes, Saxons. And then there's one crusade that basically nobody knows about - the 14th century crusade against the old believers of Kobarid (modern Slovenia, at that point under the rule of the Patriarchs of Aquilea). In 1331, a crusader army marched from Čedad (Cividale) to cut down the holy tree of the old believers and covered a holy stream with rocks. Considering where they came from, I presume they were a mix of Friulians, Slovenes and Italians.
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>>2971077
Any dialect of the vulgar latin that the subjects understood
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