How did Islam manage to BTFO out the West and others for all

>>2969626
>Sardinia and Corsica
>but not Piedmont and Lombardy

What?

that isnt true.

Spain was lot, Sicily was lost. Turks pretty much saved Islam from a Christian reconquest of the mediterranean.
Arba were very decadent by the 1000s.
And the Turks lost wars non stop to Austria and Russia for more than a century before Napoleon.

Also, Syria and Egypt were the most important parts of the west when the muslims conquered them. Saint Augustin was from what now is Tunisia. They became shitholes when they became completely muslim.

they seemed to make better use of cavalry than their rivals

>>2969626
>Mohammed to Napoleon
Ottomans stopped expanding after siege of Vienna wtf are you smoking

>>2969626
>failed to conquer an isolated shithole like Sardinia despite outnumbering them and having way more resources
>good at war

lol

>>2969657
>Ottomans are the only Muslims
Get out, history brainlet.

>a few small setbacks
KEK!
>From basically Mohammed to Napoleon, expansion kept happening.
Islamic influence in Europe was already on the wane 100 years after the death of their prophet.
Western Europe completely extricated themselves of an Islamic foothold by the 16th century and while this coincided with the ascent of the Ottomans, they were a substantially less Islamic power and never posed the existential threat of the Umayyads or even Abbasids, not to western Christendom at-least.
While the West mourned the fall of Constantinople, they didn't provide much relief did they?

>>2969626
>German Karolinger empire under Karl Martel expels muslims from Western Europe
W
E
W

The expeansion of Muslim Empires may look inpressive on a map, but realize how much of the near east and north Africa is empty space. As for their conquest of European lands.
The Ottomans conquered a decentralized conglomerant of weak balkan states that have been getting eocked by Italians for centuries prior. That's right. ITALIANS were wrecking them. The centralized power of the Ottomans could easily beat them. Plus they were adept with footmen and military engineers. By the time they reached the Magyars, they were a full fledged and formidable Empire. But they lost at Wien and their Empire would from then on be propped up.

The same can be said with Iberian Conquest by the umayyad caliphate. One massive Empire takes hold of a disunified Iberia and unsurprisingly wins. Snatches up some Mediterranean Islands. They lost at Tours namely because Charles Martel is a capable leader and the french, albeit decentralized, made their decentralized feudal state work.

>>2969671
Wtf else are you counting then? Where else did muslims expand by conquest? Indonesia?

>>2969815
>Snatches up some Mediterranean Islands

Not really, the launched at least a dozen of attacks in Sardinia and didn't manage to conquer it or occupy it stably, the best they could do was imposing the gizah in some areas of the coasts for a few years but they were repelled after a short while and had to launch other attacks which also failed, including the massive invasion they launched around 1015 AD

They managed to conquer Sicily, establishing an emirate for like a century and a half, and that was the only impressive feat they pulled off.

>>2969815
North Africa used to be one long continuous farm. Hardly emtpy

>>2969626
>Croatia (part of Hungary)
>Austria saves everyone

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>>2969626
>Islam manage to BTFO out the West and others for all of history
And look at them now.

In Iberia the problem was that Visigoths were in a civil war, and some of there commit treason and even helped the muslim invaders.
Then of course the spaniards and portuguese had to 'clean' the house in the reconquista

>>2970053
Monophysite Christians also had issues with Byzantine authoritis which somewhat helped the Islamic conquests in Levant and Egypt. Constantinople was BTFO by the Crusaders. Bulgarians and Serbs kicked the Byzantines into the testicles whenever they could. Christians have been fucking themselves over since forever.

>>2970047
The fastest growing religion and set to overtake most European countries in a few short decades?

Islam won. It's basically over at this point.

>>2969671
So you're taking about the Arab conquests? Where they lost control of Sicily, southern France and all of Iberia?

>>2970080
Yeah, and the Christians reconquered Iberia when the tables turned (Muslim infighting).

>>2969657
He is implying that Napoleon was a muslim because Corsica was once held by muslims.

>>2970421
And yet over Islamic history, Muslims retained the vast majority of gains against the Christian world and others.

>>2970439
Their lands became largely irrelevant to the West though. The world didn't revolve around the Med anymore. Why waste money and men to get Levant when you can get a lucrative sugar island from the Caribbean for half the sum?

>>2970047
>look at them now.
The second largest Religion in the world and the fastest growing in the world. Pretty impressive feats.

>>2970451
And once their lands became relevant to the west again they've been used as proxy battlegrounds for western interests.

>>2970451
They became irrelevant because they were conquered, not the other way around. And there were vast spans of time between the conquest of the med and Europe's age of exploration and colonization.

Europeans got so BTFO that they couldn't trade in the most profitable sea anymore without getting captured for slavery.

>>2969626
>France
Lol delusional sandnigger

>>2970472
>Europeans got so BTFO that they couldn't trade in the most profitable sea anymore without getting captured for slavery.
more like
>europeans neutralised the most profitable sea by sailing around africa.

>>2970483
to be fair the muslims kept control (tenuously) of southern france for a tiny while

>>2970485
Hundreds of years later, and still got raided until the U.S. put a stop to it. And once oil came along the whole thing revived again and the West is over because European culture and men are too pussy to ever do anything besides be comfortable and cozy.

>>2970500
>hundreds of years later.
kek no. Portuguese trading rights with the mughals ensured that the turks would become irrelevent to the trade.

>>2970472
>They became irrelevant because they were conquered, not the other way around
I didn't claim that, though. I just stated the simple fact that the West had no interests in taking back Egypt, Anatolia etc from the Muslims because the lands were irrelevant. No matter why they were irrelevant.
>And there were vast spans of time between the conquest of the med and Europe's age of exploration and colonization
Do you really think that the age of exploration was when Med stopped being the center of the European world? Europeans at this point were de-centralized feudal states that were weak and poor. Muslim lands were distant and not really relevant for their interests. Once Europe got more centralized, and wealthier they tried to take Muslim lands which led to the realization that there Muslim lands were not really worth it.
>Europeans got so BTFO that they couldn't trade in the most profitable sea anymore without getting captured for slavery.
Yeah yeah we all know how amazing you are for living in relative poverty but having nice historical moments of disturbing trade and peace that would have been good for everyone. You can stop the show now.

Bud I know how much fun you have larping as some jihadist warrior on 4chins, but when Europeans reached their heights they didn't really care about Muslim lands. When they did show interest they got what they wanted (Egypt for example)

>>2970515
>I didn't claim that, though. I just stated the simple fact that the West had no interests in taking back Egypt, Anatolia etc from the Muslims because the lands were irrelevant. No matter why they were irrelevant.
Are you denying that the crusades happened or what?

>>2970492

They had Septimania/Gothia, and they did some raid around this area but they never expanded this far

>>2970521
>crusades.
>in the 1500s

>>2970527
yeah, that map is more about lands the muslims might have made military incursions in.

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>>2970545
>the half month where polen was relevant.

>>2970521
Read the whole post friendo

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>>2969626
Because God wills it.