Why were they so weak in combating Islam. Very pathetic to be honest.

>>2967393
As opposed to the Persians, Goths, Central Asians, and North Indians?

>>2967393

reminder that the arabs tried like 100 times to take constantinople and failed

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>>2967393

>>2967398
north indians did a pretty good job desu.
the punjabis dropped the ball

>>2967393
>fight many wars withe arabs and win
>get fucked over by venice
>still able to hold of the arabs
>only lose when their is literally no hope of winning

>>2967393
That's, like, your opinion man.

But they weren't?

>>2967393
Because Islam wasn't their only problem.

You have Slavs in the North, Steppenigs coming in from the Northeast, and lets not forget how Western Europe is still pretty much "Barbarian" according to the Byzantines.

>>2968243
>when your opponents debuff wears off

>>2967393
these cucks are the reason christianity lost the mesopotamia, egypt and the entire north africa and by extension iberian peninsula (which got reconquered thanks to based catholic) and now having their holiest city (constantinople) becoming muslim capital on the present day.retarded orthocucks still idolizes them for some reason.

>>2968383
Persia was responsible too.
Also, kind of hard to fix when a bunch of fucking L*tin faggots invade Epirus and sack Constantinople REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2967393
Mr. Trump? What are you doing posting an a history vietnamese woodcutting posterboard?

>>2967393
Greeks are an inherently weak race, effete, effeminate, decadent, they were destined to be betas and pederasts

Turks on the other hand are a militaristic fetish alpha conquest race and culture.

There was never any contest.

>>2968605
>can't even hold their own against Austria and Italy, possibly the worst group of warriors in modern history
>got btfo by Serbian and Greek farmers fighting with pitchforks
>'militaristic conquerer'
Lol

>>2968605
>Turks on the other hand are a militaristic fetish
Gonna start a thread on /d/

>>2968664
skipping 600 years of raping said serbian and greek asses friendo?

lmao

you orthocucks are so goddamn pathetic I cringe

>>2968735
Early success followed by a total arsekicking at Vienna, then centuries of grinding decline and constant crushing defeats at the hands of European powers that have long since surpassed you in every way.

>>2967393
It took various islamic empires over 800 years to finally beat down the Byzantines, I wouldn't call that pathetic.

the Sassanid Persians lasted only 21 years before they fell entirely, and most other opponents took even less time to subjugate, while the Byzantines outlasted the Rashiduns, the Umayyads, the Abbasids, the Fatimids, the Seljuks, and the Sultanate of Rum, and finally falling to the Ottomans.

>>2968246
What's the difference? Punjabi is a sub group of Northern Indians.

>>2968825
>and constant crushing defeats at the hands of European powers that have long since surpassed you in every way.
>constant
Lol, mainly from entire coalition forces and later on Russia.
And at the end of the day they still managed to beat the Greeks in reclaiming their country despite every advantage falling for the latter.
Let's not kid ourselves. The Ottomans were great at war (possibly the only thing they were good at)

>>2969018

>mainly coalition forces

Ah yes the great coalition of Wallachia and Albania.

>>2969034
>cherry-picking
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman–Habsburg_wars

>>2969059
>One family and allies vs one family and allies
>Waaah! They're stronger and have more friends than us!
>Not fair!
Turks are a joke.

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>>2969086
>One family and allies vs one family and allies
>one
Hmm.
>inb4 muh Turkish hordes bullshit
>Turks are a joke.
Kek. Enough of a joke to still make you butthurt about it centuries later.
>w-we beat you!
I'm not going to say that we weren't declining due to pathetic and corrupt leadership over the centuries, but considering that we still exist as a country that's descended from the Ottomans speaks a lot.
Especially since we still rule Istanbul nearly six centuries later after our weakest moment
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_War_of_Independence

>>2968360
more like

>Rashidun buff has expired

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>>2968246
>good job

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>>2968605

The Byzantine Empire was defeated by the Frankish West, and more specifically the Normans and the Venetians. Had it not been for them and the 4th crusade, you would be speaking Greek now, as during that time there was a resurgence in Byzantine power and the Seljuks were hampered by the death of Kilij Arslan and were experiencing a civil war.

Also, even when technically a subject people, Greeks were actually running the Ottoman empire my turkish friend. Sure Turks are pretty good as arrow fodder, as they were illiterate peasants for 90% of their history.

But to run an empire you need brains, not brawn, the Ottoman empire would have been nothing without the Greeks, Armenians and Jews running the bureaucratic administration and the economy.

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>>2967393
Because God was on the side of muslims habibi

>>2969458
Daily reminder that Mehmed was a faggot who wanted Greek boipucci.

>>2967393
They sucked at fighting people who they couldn't pay off

>>2968383
You do know that before the Muslims came they were at war with Persia for about 682 years.

>>2968401
>le venice boogeyman
they had 600 years to try and fix shit before the 4th crusade, they even got help from catholics before in the first crusade. Byzantium was losing Anatolia and had reconquered almost nothing.

>>2969409
That was after two centuries of hard campaigning and not to mention it disintegrated shortly after from a series of revolts.

>>2969446

Normans only started making any headway after the 4th Crusade, their invasions under the Komnenian Dynasty were all disasters with the armies getting BTFO.

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>>2968664
>Greeks are weak

FUCKING KEK

>>2971484
>3rd century BCE
>1400 CE
:^)

>>2971484
>*COLLAPSES*

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Daily reminder the Byzantine's worst setback happened because Normcucks pussied out of the fight.

>>2968735
Don't talk that way about your grandparents