ITT: objectively terrible leaders that are burning in hell today

>>2966408
Every American president who ever lived.

>>2966408
Every great man in history.

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Hello.

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>>2966408
>omg not real capitalism
>>2966679
>omg not real communism

>>2966703
>Implying he didn't execute gommunism perfectly and only persecuted traitors and intellectuals
Get outta here, city dweller. We affluent now.

>>2966703
>omg not real capitalism

Noone ever says this though.

>>2966719
I have actually seen people say that.

>>2966737
About Ronald Reagan?

>>2966408
Nah...economy recovered. Won cold war arguably. Wealth distribution could have been better, but economic growth is more important bc good distribution is meaningless without wealth to distribute. Deficit was bad, but considering he had to compromise with a democratic congress and increasing defense was key to peace through strength stratagy, Id say he was pretty damn good. Bush sr raised taxes to help against deficit gets voted out for doing the responsible thing.

>>2967006
>won cold war
Jesus fucking Christ. The cold war ended because Soviet economy was an unmitigated economic catastrophe thanks to the oil crash. It doesn't matter if US president was Ronald Reagan or Ronald McDonald, the USSR would have collapsed regardless.

>>2966408
t. vladmir

>>2967006
The peanut farmer hurt the USSR more than Reagan

>>2967006
>>2967018
>it's an Ameriblobs overrating their influence on global events episode

>>2966741
yes

>>2967021

>It's an "irrelevant country thinks their opinion matters" episode

>>2967036
t. Ameriblob

>WE COLLAPSED DA SOVIETS N SHIEET

>>2967040
he types, in American

>>2967079
*she

>>2967082
Zhe

>>2966408
Regan was a full cunt.

burning in hell is a loaded precept, like what version of Christianity are you basing it on?

they all just die, and so do we, and we have to live with the shame and guilt of being led by men like this.

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>>2967006
>muh economy

>>2967107
Death squads in Central America and apartheid are fine. Saddam was a faggot on multiple occasions, but I concede that Iran should've been allowed to fuck Iraq.

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>>2967140
>apartheid are fine

Pic related: (You)

>>2967140
>Death squads in Central America and apartheid are fine
please elaborate on these points

>>2967011
Well I agree, hence using the weasel word arguably. Also nixon opening to china made winning the cold war possible as well as other actions of previous administration s. Peanut did a good job of starting to raise def spending, bc b4 reagan dems were the guns party who incd def spending and every republican since eisenhower had dramatically decd def spending. Reagan has statues in eastern europe for a reason bc he was not only great at foriegn policy good cop bad cop w russia, but also was great at articulating liberal ideals domestically and abroad. His spending was to take advantage of a weak rus economy by making the economic cost of the cold war to expensive to be fought. He genuinely changed america and the world. So much so the democrats became practically republicans. Now did he single handly win no, but like nixon and jfk he played a huge part.

>>2967145

Not who you're replying to, but it's better than the existing alternative.

>>2967107
No one would hold the soviets to these standards. The other thing is deficit was worth it. It was not preferential, but a price of winning cold war. Def spending was like gambling. You ante up so much the other guy folds. the soviets could not afford to fight. Also dem congress passed his budgets! If reagan was a dictator and our gov had no seperation of power there would have been no deficit.

>>2967107
Is this obama or reagan? Leadership and charisma matter.

>>2967337
>B-But what about Obama!

Not on my /his/

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>>2967006
>Iran Contra
>Revamped the war on Drugs
>had wife manage white house schedule via astrologer
>brought Fanatical Evangelicals back into mainstream politics
>all round pandering sleaze

I'd be more on board with Republican candidates if the party wasn't addicted to these 1 dimensional, scripted affable good ol' boy entertainers, as if they're some paragon of pure American values. Literally the only reason Reagan got an easy ride from the press was after his assassination attempt.

>>2967497
Ignore good things only focus on bad things. Not judging him relative to his contemporaries. My point is that given as a whole what he accomplished far outweighed the bad.

>>2967337
>Whataboutism
That's a fallacy.

Obama picked up an economy that had just been destroyed while Clinton, years before, could ride the DotCom bubble and got out before it exploded.
And all in all, it seems he did a nice job even if I strongly disagree with how next to nobody paid for the damage caused (although a rating company got their dues some months ago, so there's light at the end of the tunnel.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-19/ranking-the-obama-economy

>>2967333
>No one would hold the soviets to these standards
There aren't only two players in this game, you know. You could be one ounce less evil than the Russians and thus be "better" than them but at the end of the day you're still hurting innocents. I'm not sure the dead are glad it was American policy that killed them rather than those dreaded Soviets.

>>2967324
The existing alternative is so shit because of the way the removal of apartheid was handled, and because of how deep the divide and tension was in South Africa. That doesn't make Apartheid fine by any means

Ronald Reagan was just the sort of affable person I want to maintain dignity in office.

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Regardless of where you fall with your political views, it's pretty well know from all sides that Ronald Reagan was a retard. His policies were standard conservative fare that aren't worth arguing over on 4chan. They did what they've always done.

A large part of his enduring popularity is because he was a good public speaker, charming in talks, with prepared witty responses and he had a very well timed assassination attempt that created enough public sympathy that many members from both parties overlooked anything questionable he did.

>>2966408
>objectively terrible leaders that are burning in hell today

I'd argue that every single universally known leader would be burning in hell today. The entire process of getting to such position is very morally questionable if not outright evil by christian standards.

>>2966408
Unironically Hitler

>>2967145
>>2967160
Modern South Africa is a fucking joke, and we pretend it isn't because we want reality to fit our narrative, and not our narrative to fit our reality.
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They're threatening genocide against the boers for land reform.

>>2968625
My wife was born there but she emigrated with her parents in '95. Her relatives still live there and often tell her what a colossal fucking shithole the country has became.

>>2966410
>>2966408

t. vladmir

>>2967013
>>2968644
It's spelled Vladimir you fucktard.

>>2968635
Let's not kid ourselves here. SA was a shithole for most of its residents under apartheid too. Now it's just a shithole for ALL of its residents.

>>2968668
Well, she's white. White people didn't have it bad during apartheid, it was pretty much a first world country for them.

>>2967896
I think Regan was consider great because he came after that jack off Carter

>>2967527
Look I am not argueing the merits of obama. My point was in the pic they act as if charisma is not important to good leadership. Reagan was a highly effective leader. Wealth creation is more important than wealth distribution. You have to have wealth to distribute. Deficit was due to democratic controled congress who passed reagans budgets just as much as it was due to reagan. If reagan was a dictator than you could completely pegg him for deficit, but if he was a dictator there would have been no deficit. Defense spending was necessary to force russia to quit. They made compitition economically infeasible. Hell dems had incd defense spending dramatically by massive rates since woodriw wilson. Republicans since eisenhower always decd massively, until reagan.

>>2967529
Yes, latin america were not children. They also had their own agency. Not saying it was right, I would argue it was stupid. Except selling weapons to iran. That was good.

>>2967896
If you ignore arguements that you disagree with then of course ur right!

>>2968814
Iran is unironically the good guys in MENA affairs

>>2968668
The state was at least functional then.

You can go to hell for being a bad president/leader? That's retarded