ITT: History things that blow your mind

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>>2962544
>those of modern Turkey
um no sweetie, I think you mean modern Kurdistan.

It's almost like Anatolia has natural, geographic borders.

We're still centuries closer to to the assassination of Julius Caesar than Julius Caesar was to the construction of the pyramids

It gets repeated a lot but is still pretty amazing

>>2962597
Not for much longer.

>>2962597
And Julius Caesar lived closer in time to T-rex than T-rex lived to the first dinosaurs.

Babe Ruth stole home plate 10 times in his career.

>>2962544

More Danes fought on the Eastern front than joined the resistance against German occupation during WW2

>>2962597
Duh, Caesar was pretty white

>>2962644
How does that even work? Isn't the pitchers throwing it to the catcher by default?

Excerpt from a week of the diary of Ann Frank:

June 14th 1943: Hid

June 15th 1943: Hid

June 16th 1943: Hid

June 17th 1943: Hid

June 18th 1943: Hid

June 19th 1943: Hid

June 20th 1943: Hid

...


August 1st 1944: Fuck

>>2962739
left handed pitcher naturally faces towards 1st base and when he isn't looking or otherwise preoccupied you make a break for home

>>2962606
Marc Bolan was born in 1947 you retard.

>>2962544
We're nearer to the construction of the Pyramids, than the Pyramids are to the creation of Adam.

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>>2962544
We are closer to the year 2030 than to the year 2000.

The Piramids are nearer to the 1st moon landing than they are to the invention of bricks

>>2962544
yes i know. they teach this stuff in history class here in turkey.

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>>2962544
>this one shitty city in the middle of FUCKING ITALY created western civilization and by extension the entire modern world
>literally the whole modern world comes from this 1 country
>There was a time in history where all of the west was unified, and everyone's been trying to glue it together again since it broke apart

>>2962876
That's not Greece

>>2962826
What the fuck

>>2962886
And neither is western civilization as a whole, even if a lot of greek stuff are part of it.

>>2962895
Its more of Mediterranean civilisation than European civilisation
Western civilisation was born under the Carolingians

>>2962826
We're closer to year 2100 than to 2016.

> you'll get to the future, but will never repeat the past

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>>2962930
>time is merely a human perception
>my memories of the past are just as valid as effectively living it again
>with enough dedication I can delude myself to the point in which there would literally be no difference

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>>2962876
If a modern day German, Briton or Finn would tell an ancient Roman that we are all part of the same civilization, Lucius would be most certain to make it crystal clear that Romans feel more sameness with Phoenicians and fucking Egyptians than fucking Germanics.

"Western civilization" is just apes pretending to be men.

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>>2962805

>>2962961
Every single one of those snow-niggers got ROMAN'D so hard at some point or another that it is far from an unfair assestment. The North Africans and Easterns are the ones that have turned into complete autists even tho they should by all means be part of the western emisphere alongside all the yuropoors.

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>>2962805

>>2962876
>literally the whole modern world comes from this 1 country
No. Actually on the level of Science there isn't that much Roman influence. Given that we lost almost all of Roman natural science somehow.

It took us 300.000 years to get to the bible but only 2.000 years to get from there to the internet

Some Kazakh with a bad cold wiping out half of Europe.

>>2963119
so what?

Afaik the bible had 0 impact on scientific development

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>>2963147
>Most significant writings in known human history
>No impact on muh science
If I take your naivety off, will you die?

>>2962876

No. The Romans exported Greek civilisation (which itself was borne of Phoenician and Canaanite traditions) and, in the process, ruined it. How many famous Roman mathematicians are there? None, because they abandoned the mathematic tradition of the Greeks and lumbered Europe with a piss-poor numeral system that meant everyone had to work everything out on abacuses for centuries, until Fibonacci brought Hindu numerals to Italy.

>>2963167
Who cares? Civilization is way more about values and ideals than science.

>>2962876
>2962544
Modern Civilization and the West were created in Jerusalem

>>2963167
> Greek civilisation (which itself was borne of Phoenician and Canaanite traditions)
Ahaha

ahahahaha

AHAHHAHHAHAAH

>>2963206
He's correct though
Near east > Minoan/Mycenaean > Greek

>>2962688
Well I think they kind of got conscripted by the collaborative Danish government.

>>2963206
He's right you know

>>2963215
>>2963221
Minoan culture influenced the Near East if anything...

>>2963223
Considering the civilizations in the near east existed long before there was anything that could be considered culture on Crete, I don't think your thesis is quite accurate

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>>2962826

>>2963167
>Phoenician
The Greeks took their alphabet, idk what else.

>Canaanite
?

>>2963228
lol, nope

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>>2963265
lol yes

>>2962544
Why in fuck does this map has Ahhiyawa/Achaeans in Anatolia?

>>2963268
It was Crete that sailed east initially, honey

Also Cretans invented the pottery wheel

>>2963202
>the West was created in the East

Really makes you think..

>>2963278
>Crete sailed east
Wow didn't know humans descended from heaven right onto crete and then spread from that place

>>2963282
Cretand came up with better art than Middle Easterners and they taught it to them and Egyptian (look for Avaris), Crete colonized Anatolia, not the opposite

>>2963284
Requesting evidence

>>2962688
>tfw Danish with family fighting on German side in both WW1 and 2

>>2963216
Frikorps Danmark during WW2 consisted on volunteers, they were not required to be nazis either. Most recieved prison sentences after the war, but had them lessened to two year sentences on the ground that at the time if their recruitment the Danish government promoted cooporation to avoid Germany getting hard on Denmark. The conscription was during WW1 from part Southern Jutland that had been taken by Germany in 1864, two of those men were my grandfathers, the one sent to the eastern front was captured and spend years in a Russian work camp in the Ural mountains, was released after the war and walked home barefooted, wasn't home before his family lived in Denmark again, killed a Polish farmer in a fight on the way and took his boots. He was in the Gulag when the Gulag became a Gulag. The otehr took part in the battle of Jutland, which we call the battle of Skagerrak because there's been too many battles in Jutland for anyone in Denmark to know which one you're talking about.

>>2962544
Please go.

>>2963342
THE fuck?

>>2963263

phoenicians were canaanites

>>2963169

Load of shit.

>>2963284

>better
>art

opinion discarded

>>2963147

>The Catholic Church and theology was the sole reason we have modern day science.

>B-b-but Carl Sagan told me the CC killed Galileo!

I fucking hate people like you. Carl Sagan is an astronomer and physicist, not a historian. Diversify your cherry-picked anti-western-culture tidbits for your own sake.

>>2962544
That doesn't look like Turkeys modern borders, anon.

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>>2963878
>The Catholic Church and theology was the sole reason we have modern day science.

>>2965099

They are. They funded experiments, laboratories and preserved/disseminated manuscripts.

>b-but Black Science Man said religion held up science!

>>2965140
That doesn't equate to single-handedly inventing modern science.

>>2962930
Underrated

>>2962544
>What are natural boundaries

>>2962876
Rome is the single most important political entity ti have ever existed.

>>2962751
Usually it works because of of a poor throw by a pitcher caught off guard and/or a bad catch by the catcher

>>2963036
>Finns
>getting ROMAN'D

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>>2963153
>>Most significant writings in known human history

Are you high? Stories made up 100s of years after everyone was dead by unkown authors without any sience or special knowledge in it.

The Bible has the same value as the Tora or Harry Potter.

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>mfw Thread derailed into crib of civilization shitposting.

I didn't meant to imply that all the elements of western civilization were created in Rome, even if I worded it that way. But Rome took all those elements, refined them, put them together a way that was undoubtedly their own, and spread their way of thinking across all of Europe and the Middle east, who then went on to spread it across the whole globe.

>>2965439
They got culturally ROMAN'D in medieval times.

>>2962544

Reading about the personal accounts and interviews about the eastern front (soldiers from both sides and civilians) changed me. It really put into perspective the terrible price that was paid for all our freedom in WW2. Makes the soviet tyranny in the cold war really gut wrenching to think about.

>soviets become friendly with germany
>trust germans not to invade
>get invaded, lose every battle, fail every counter attack
>wehrmacht rapes and pillages the soviet union for over a year
>stop them at Stalingrad, BTFO at Kursk, remain undefeated until Berlin
>plant the soviet flag over the reichstag
>70,000 towns 1,000 cities destroyed
>8-10 million soldiers dead, 15-20 million civilians dead
>millions of orphans, single mothers, and a state run by a paranoid schizophrenic

>>2965099

It definitely helped get the ball rolling, if that helps.

>>2963153
>muh
>pepe
>never ever
>baneposting
QUADRA-MEME

>>2965844
I feel sorry for anyone who found this site since any of those started

>>2962739
>>2962751
>>2962805

Yeah i agree that usually it's due to a wild pitch, catcher loses track of the ball and the runner can come home. Again it's rare...if anon's stat is true, the babe did it 10 times in a 21 season career

>>2965451
>The Bible has the same value as Harry Potter.
Fedora intellect everyone.

>>2962544
Lol. Just looked at google maps, Ankara is legit <150 km away from Hattusa

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>>2963851
>WOAH DUUUUUDE, LIKE YOU CAN'T JUST 'JUDGE' ART!

>>2965810
Don't ever try to humanise the Russians again, prick. The Germans deserved it but the Russians deserved it even more.

>>2962552
The hittites were not kurdish, they were step people that migrated there. The kurdish arrived in Turkey around the same time as the turks

>>2965198
they did in that they were the necessary precursor to the scientific method

>>2966494
Nah, the Kurdish were Hittites/Luwian, they roughly occupy their same areas and are Indoeuropean

>>2966402
>russian civilians DESERVED rape and pillage
t. cold war enthusiast

>>2962544
>you've spent all your miserable life accumulating a minuscule amount of wealth while people the same age you were when you graduated high school were already on their way to conquering more territory than modern countries

>>2962589
Really makes me ignite my primary thrusters.

>>2963119
>Comparing mythology to science
The dynasty of Wew

>>2962544
The first people who arrived from Madagascar were people from Indonesia, Malaysia and Brunei.

>>2965099
Yeah, for scientific method to emerge you had to have a religion or philosophy claiming that:

> the world is fundamentally a good place, even if it's tainted by sin
> the deity is mostly transcendent - while it still interferes with the world, causality exists - for instance a fire burns a branch because of the properties of those two objects rather than because God intervenes
> you can make observations about the world with your senses and depend on them to be true

For a civilisation to approach science as we do, it needs to claim that:
> history exists linearily rather than in circles, so an idea of progress could emerge
> humans are viewed optimistically - they can make a change for the better by their acts

Only Christianity fulfills all of those conditions. Zoroastrianism might, but it'd have to make yazatas more transcendent rather than hypostases of worldly processes. Islam did fulfill them until al-Ghazali negated causality.

>>2963323
>He was in the Gulag when the Gulag became a Gulag
What is this supposed to mean?