How did American politics get so mixed up?

>>2961593
Everything is backwards there, even the colors of their political parties are reversed.

Every once in a while the party beliefs get changed up after either a massive fuck up or the president changong something big

It looks like the party lines are once again going to ne shifted

>>2961593
Americans left isn't socialist at all

>>2961622

trump advocating for nationalizing american business is not socialism.

>>2961593
Bump because I want an answer honestly. I've never really understood why it's

"social freedom and economic restrictions" vs "social restrictions and economic freedom"

instead of

"social and economic freedom" vs "social and economic restrictions".

The latter seems more natural.

>>2961706
>"social freedom and economic restrictions" vs "social restrictions and economic freedom"
>instead of
>"social and economic freedom" vs "social and economic restrictions".
Both the left and the right support restrictions of social freedom. Just different restrictions.

>>2961593
Because the U.S. doesn't really have an equivalent to the aristocracy and their political successors who want to go back to the "good old days" where social conservatism means domination of the economy by a small, non-capitalist group.

Obviously, nobody's campaigning on a return to feudalism platform, but that's where the lines got drawn in Europe ,and didn't get drawn that way in America.

>>2961715
>>2961706
See >>2959836 to demonstrate that not all the world sees terms the same way. America is lacking collectivism, the earliest Americans were Individualistic protestants and the country is founded on liberal principals.

>>2961715

That is correct, insightful post. America's foundation is classical liberalism with the founding fathers, so conservatives in America advocate for a similar platform of economic freedom, "hands off" government but Christian morality. Meanwhile in Europe, their foundation is hundreds of years of rule by kings and aristocrats

>>2961706

The left doesn't see socialism as "economic restrictions", they see it as "freedom" from the oppressive capitalist class.

>>2961593

To be totally honest the American Left fits that bill, but really the Democratic party is very pro-business nowadays too.

>>2961593
Because American ''conservatism'' was based on American independence republican value which was opposed to conservative monarchism in the first place

Its like conserving what's used to be a left wing position, instead of natural conservatism

>>2961631
>trump advocating for nationalizing american business is not socialism.
Well, he's not really advocating for nationalizing businesses in the sense of seizing them, but I know what you mean - "economic nationalism".
Is it socialism? Depends on how you define socialism. Trump-style economic nationalism certainly is rooted in the idea of big government intervention in the economy. Indeed, in many ways, Trump's propaganda is more that of a blustering union leader than a businessman. He's basically promising to represent a subsection of America's labor force, and to make things happen for them. Whether he actually cares or it's all propaganda, I don't know. My guess is the latter.
One thing's for sure, whether "economic nationalism" is socialist or not, it's certainly not pro-free market.

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>>2961593
<- Pic related.

Mind you, it flip-flops every decade or two.

Wasn't that long ago, the Democrats were the party of the racist working man, and the Republicans were the out of touch rich elite working for the New World Order.

And practically speaking, when it comes to actual policy changes, they aren't that different and certainly aren't as advertised. Clinton did more to kill welfare than even Reagan. Obama deported more folks and separated more immigrant families than any president before him, several times over. Reagan expanded the government more than anyone in history. Nixon created the EPA... It goes on and on like that...

The only real difference between the two parties is the rhetoric, and the color of their ties.