Could America realistically ever become a totalitarian state?

>>2958673
Yes. Fear, doubt and uncertainty can create totalitarian government. People just need to be fed propaganda and it will work.

yes, after some kind of apocalypse you will get a patchwork of warlords and 1 will absorb or conquer the others and eventually form a large totalitarian state

>>2958673
Yeah >>2958695

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Well any state can. But in America's case, it will happen when we have a forced, propagated reliance on the Government, or at least the "benefits" it will promise to provide us, but in reality it will end up a hellhole.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism

We already are if you're to believe all the hysterical people on the Left

>>2958673
Yes. An Anglo-Saxon republic can't be maintained by an Aztec-Maya population.

>>2959289
Huh, I never knew Ben Garrison supported pedophiles.

>>2959289

so Antifa relies on government?

>>2959289
I still find it beyond hilarious /pol/ managed to mindbreak Ben Garrison into becoming an unironic manifestation of Zyklon Ben.

>>2958673
we already are.
Go on tv or twitter and try to criticize Hillary Clinton.
Your only defenders will be the disenfranchised rural population and the poor in decaying urban centers. The rich liberal media machine has an iron grip on what opinions are "acceptable"
Its only a matter of time before Trump is impeached, perhaps justifiably or perhaps not, and they regain the total control they had under Obama.

>>2961238
Pretty much this, you are living in a dictatorship but le consumerism blinds you from that
Congrats americans you got fucked over before you even knew it

>>2961241
it was too late.
It was always too late.
Independence from Britain was a mistake. We should have waited 100 more years

>>2958673
Well Americans are fucking retarded and close minded, so why not really

>>2961238
>and they regain the total control they had under Obama.

How do you figure that exactly? Even if Trump is impeached and removed from office, Mike "Pole Smoker Choker" Pence is going to be the President, and he's not even remotely close to being a liberal.

>>2958673
I wish

>>2961238
>>2961241

if you lived in an anti-free speech authoritarian society. I don't think a website like this one would be up

>>2961265
This website has no power, so nobody cares.
>>2961253
Mike Pence has nothing. The disenfranchised who flocked to Trump wont do the same for him.
Enthusiasm for a candidate was, at least how i see it, the one area that the democrats fell short in during the election. Without the enthusiasm Trump created this last gasp of the republican party will die.
In the coming years it will collapse worse than the Whigs did.
From then on there will be no true choice in politics anymore as liberals pick and choose their presidents knowing they have full sway over who will win.
unless of course they make a mistake like picking a candidate as disliked and uncharismatic and untrustworthy like Hillary, but i doubt they will make such a horrid error again.

>>2961108
The right said the same under Obama. It's best not to take things seriously.

>>2961111
wtf is an aztec-maya population? Your talking about two completely different ethnicities. It's like saying Castillian-Slavic

>>2961292
the right doesnt have the vice grip on both old and new social media that the left does.
The only conservative network, Fox, is more often a punchline than a respected source.

>>2961289
>but i doubt they will make such a horrid error again

That's a joke, right?

>>2961289
>This website has no power, so nobody cares.

/pol/ is a large political forum that has attracted media attention iirc off and on, if it isn't influential, it's at the least a reflection of how some people think.

>Enthusiasm for a candidate was, at least how i see it, the one area that the democrats fell short in during the election. Without the enthusiasm Trump created this last gasp of the republican party will die.
In the coming years it will collapse worse than the Whigs did.

You seem to be making it out that the issues with the republican party are caused by the democrats. That is incorrect, the republican party has several problems within it, go to any state in the midwest, several of them have poor infrastructure and apathetic populations. I think the govenments there could do better jobs imo

>>2961318
No one watches tv anymore except old people. The right still has plenty of media online, but that's not importat you missed the point still. You're still thinking in a left-right division, that's your problem. You're missing the bigger picture, both have been coopted and manufactured by influential people.

Yes. Virtually any country could realistically become a totalitarian state.

>>2961325
thats sort of what i mean. The most important factor in deciding who people voted for was who they could connect with rather than any single issue.
Trump connected with just enough people in the right areas to win the election, but a more appealing democratic candidate like Sanders or even better, someone like Biden, surely would have prevented that.
I am not saying Republican issues are the fault of democrats, just that these failings and issues are not what led people to vote for either side in 2016. Feelings were much more important.
I dont think its so much that /pol/ is influential as much as it is the various right wing sub reddits. And even then, the "alt-right" has no actual respect or standing as a legitimate political movement. They are regarded as nothing more than internet trolling manifested in the real world. Ineffective at best, a joke at worst.
>>2961323
They thought Hillary was a guaranteed victory and they lost. Looking back there were so many warning signs that they know to look for now. They wont fuck up like that again.
They will get their female president but it wont be her.

>>2958673
game?

>>2961356
Wolfenstein II: New Colossus

>>2961360
danke

>>2961325
>/pol/ is a large political forum that has attracted media attention iirc off and on, if it isn't influential, it's at the least a reflection of how some people think.
/pol/ is where the morons hold their strategy sessions and test new content. Reddit is where they go to spread it. Facebook is the place where it influences the public at large.

It's like a never-ending stream of idiotic email forwards from your racist uncle.

>>2961289
If a guy like trump is your hope a billionaire globalist that bends down to zionism and big banks then that is really sad. Serious question for americans is this really the best guy you could come up with to lead your country?

>>2961367
discords are where the planning begins. I've spied on a couple alt right ones it's hilarious.

>>2958673
Absolutely.

During the 1920's and 1930's, extremism was not just popular in Europe but in the US as well. IMO I think the US was saved from this extremism through multiple interventions of the government and the standing of this country during that time. America was the up-and-coming nation. It had yet to experience it's place at the top of the world that places like Germany, France, and of course Britain had. It hadn't had the Reneissance that European powers enjoyed in the Nineteenth and early Twentieth Centuries. There was nothing for people to refer back to as a "greater" time overall, where America had its full strength. Britain, France, and Germany did. Britain and France were saved by being on the winning side of WWI, but look at what happened to Germany.

It was neutered. It was kicked around by the victors. It was stripped of all of its former glory and power due to being on the losing side in a war where the government was not even defeated. If the roles were reversed, and Germany did to France as France did to Germany, you better bet that France would've likely went fascist.

The point being is that today, this sentiment of reviving our former glory, not the optimistic future of an up-and-coming nation, is what plagues this nation. Many in this country feel we have lost our compass of who we are, what we stand for, and where we stand in the world. That's why people like Trump are so popular with terms like MAGA. Couple that with the decimation of our middle class, and you have a group of pissed off poor people that are sick of electing public officials who lie.

Pretty soon, especially with Trump being a disappointment, they are going to support someone who REALLY promises to come in with a heavy hand and fix the country. Like openly telling Congress to fuck off with the support of 60% of the nation.

>>2961763

> If the roles were reversed, and Germany did to France as France did to Germany, you better bet that France would've likely went fascist.

The difference being that due to its much smaller population and lesser industrial capability, fascist France would have been steamrolled if it tried to attack Germany.

>>2959289
LOL. Like many wannabe totalitarians before them, alt-right dweebs have to drastically exaggerate the scale of the supposed totalitarian danger from others in order to justify their own desire for totalitarianism.

>>2961763
>with the support of 60% of the nation
lol

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>>2958673

We're seeing it happen right now. He regularly attacks the free press and questions its credibility, and he advocates for authoritarian immigration policies.

>>2959289
Cont. As if a few thousand scattered antifa form any sort of major threat...

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>>2958673
America is already becoming a Latin American style banana republic.

>>2961122
Fun fact, before the Nazi party was in full power, they relied on thuggish behavior to disrupt the political activities like party meetings and rallies of their opponents. They didn't just get voted in, they got voted in after a long history of antidemocratic behavior, namely being unwilling to tolerate other political groups and opinions.

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>>2958673
It is

>>2961802
>authoritarian immigration policies
As in "we're not obligated to harbor every third worlder with a pulse"? Wow, so authoritarian.

>>2958673
Sure. I think it's a little tougher here because people see "freedom" and individual liberty as part of our National identity, but ultimately, all this might mean is that the potential totalitarians have ro convince the people that they are the best protection against some nebulous already existing force that is making them not free already, and that the Totalitarians are going to make people more free overall. I've heard /pol/acks push that exact sentiment before.

>>2961802
The moment the press regains a concern for reporting accurately rather than just advancing their own political position, I'll start giving a shit about how Trump treats them. Not going to hold my breath.

>>2961809
they're not coming for "the mexicans", though. Just the illegal ones.

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>>2961809
>Bannon
Liberals are so retarded they think some sweaty fuck who was the editor of (((Breitbart))), loves Israel, employed a literal jewish homosexual, nonstop shills for zionism and talks about "judeo-christian civilization", is somehow coming for the jews.

>become

>>2961127
I wonder if there's porn for that.

>>2959289
>Ben Garrison does stuff for /pol/
Guess he knows how to pander to an audience.

>>2961827
At this point, the only thing standing between America and fascism is the sense that rights must be universal.

If you can break down that idea, and propose a social order in which a desirable group characterized as "true Americans" (whether based on race or class) still enjoy all of our traditional American freedoms while the "undesirables" are crushed, then you could probably get a dictator into power with popular support.

>>2961961

And this is the problem with the idea I often see thrown around of Huey Long becoming a fascist dictator. He was more Hugo Chavez than Adolf Hitler.

>>2961805
Having studied the region, I unironically believe the United States is basically falling into the same economic and political traps of Latin America.

>>2961999

So what's the best precedent for an outsider candidate running on a populist platform and then immediately heeling to free-market conservatism once he takes office?

People who think that modern America can turn into a dictatorship are complete retards. The ideas of freedom and rights are completely ingrained in our culture and lifestyle, and the military would completely fracture if any attempts of martial law and authoritarian rule were made.

Probably not, a decent part of the population is armed.

>>2962122

>implying the armed ones won't be the SA/Blackshirt types

We've already seen glimpses of this with the Lion's Guard and the Oath Keepers. Combine it with the thinly-veiled bloodlust that a lot of millennial/Gen Z right-wingers have (the forced helicopter meme and glorification of random thugs like that STICK MAN dipshit who turned out to be a Klansman), and you have a very dangerous recipe. Or at least you would if Trump were remotely competent.

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>>2961763
Even though he's not a disappointment. Almost all news sources have lost credibility on both sides. My heavy lib friends are tired of Trump being accused of collision with Russia even though there is no evidence, and my Right friends are tired of media outlets using Trump as clickbait to lower morale. Everyone is tired of this stupid partisan war.

>>2962160

SHADILAY! PRAISE KEK FOR LE GOD EMPEROR XD LONG LIVE KEKISTAN

Go back to R*ddit and take your imaginary friends and ZOG celebrity president with you.

I'm afraid that I think it could... but realistically, only if there was major economic collapse or some other form of disaster.

>>2961961

You mean the world's right to immigrate to America correct?

>>2962480

When did your ancestors come to the United States?

>>2958673
Too many guns, so I think not.

>>2958673
America is already a totalitarian state to some extent. The media is firmly in the control of a select group of hands, with ties in the financial industry, and they have an immense influence over the common opinion. Academia is also dominated by a monolithic ideological group.

You won't be gulag'd or shot, but if you speak out you will have your life ruined and any prospect at having a normal job forever withdrawn from you. You will be completely ostracized.

And we can see that even Trump has been completely neutered by the deep state.

>>2961101
>corporations have subverted democracy
>economics trumps politics
lmao what a fucking commie

>>2962485
Back when the right of conquest was still recognized

>>2962440
t.butthurt Bernie bottom

>>2959289
>bloody bat
>not a bloody bike lock

Love all these /pol/tards complaining we live in a "totalitarian" society when
>The candidate they support got elected president.
>Fox News, Drudge and other right wing outlets are popular, legal and profitable.
>You can go out on the street, vehemently disagree with anything leftist, and suffer no legal repercussions.
You assholes seem to think your right to free speech means everyone has to bow down and say "yes massa you so wise". Free speech means we have just as much right to tell you your scum right back in your faces, I'm sorry you're such fragile snowflakes that you have to run crying when someone disagree's with you.
And I love how the media is "Anti-Trump" for reporting on what the President did on a given day. That their fucking job. They're supposed to notify the people of what Trump does. It's not their fault that what he does do is continually embarrasses himself and show signs of possible corruption. They spent just as much time during the election harping on Clinton and he Emails and Benghazi hearings. But I suppose that doesn't count.

>>2961122
Most Antifa faggots are college students or bums on gibmedats, so yeah.

>>2962991
They lack perspective just like the crybaby liberals they hate. No real appreciation for liberty, no comprehension of tyranny.

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>>2961809
Fuck em all, because let me tell you who speaks for me.

>>2958673
I've got some bad news for you...

>>2959289
(((Ben Garrison)))

>>2961238
That is not a symptom of a totalitarian state since dissent still exists dumbass

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>>2961238
>Its only a matter of time before Trump is impeached

They could start the impeachment trial but getting 50% of Congress to vote in favor of removing him from office is pretty much an insurmountable hurtle.

Plus, there's the fact popular support for the U.S. Government has effectively collapsed over the past decade and Trump's most militant supporters would see his removal as the excuse they've been waiting for to start a Civil War to either re-install him as President to crash the entire country with no survivors.

>>2961116
>Children that want to have sex with adults are now pedophiles
So remind me why pedophiles aren't allowed to have sex with pedophiles?

>>2964110
I doubt it. You always hear people on pol talk about rebellion but they seem to assume someone else will do the actual fighting.

>>2964195

>what is the Battle of Berkeley

I was there, it was pretty much /pol/ central, and the scuffles were even more violent than what most of the videos show. An elderly Jewish couple selling fruit on the adjacent street almost had their stall vandalized by Antifa (they were stopped by what I suspect were a few Skinheads ironically enough). I must've dodged at least 10 different beer bottles being hurled at me by the other side that day.

>>2964110
>weirdos and losers attempt to overthrow the government on behalf of a wildly unpopular criminal

Wish a nigga would.

>>2964231
>beer bottles and bike locks
>full scale rebellion on a national scale
Besides riots in major cities, I highly doubt any revolutionary actions will amount to anything significant. Most of the population is apathetic to revolutionary sentiment and those who aren't are miniscule. Plus those who would rebel would go against the concerted effort of military and police which is a laughable notion.

>>2961122
the democrats fund them

>>2964231
Yuro here. I'm right wing myself and I appreciate your optimism but thinking some fat fucks with Pepe signs chucking soda cans at equally cringeworthy leftists is a "violent revolution" is comical beyond redemption.

>>2964290
Like Dr. Pierce said, revolution is a spectator sport. Vast majority of population never participates in it.

>>2964237
>weirdos and losers

So were the Nazis and the Bolsheviks

>overthrow the government

They won't see it that way. To them, it's restoring the government.

>wildly unpopular criminal
>Trump
>more of a criminal than Clinton or Obama

lolwut

Also, Trump's support is still hovering around 50/50 which is pretty average for most presidents except during a national tragedy when their support shoots up into the 70s.

I doubt it. The left throws a shitfit when the right tries to restrict something they like, and the right throws a shitfit when the left wants to restrict what they like. It's dirty, but it works.

>ctrl f business plot
>no results
come on dubya's grandfather was part of it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

>>2964664
If he was removed from office, he'd be a wildly unpopular criminal.

Read a book nigger.

No, at least not in the way fiction portrays it. But it's already well on its way to becoming an authoritarian corporatocracy under the guise of the war on terror and the religious devotion to free enterprise while the latter is being killed by the established players

>>2961883
apart from Milo and Bernie i would say it's pretty accurate.