ITT: leaders too good for the world

>>2958614
/thread

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>>2958614

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>Suspect a war is coming with Prussia
>Try to increase the size of the military
>The Parliament you created won't allow you to
>Try to enact military reforms to at least improve the Army's quality
>Parliament stalls reforms long enough that they pass only months before the war starts
>Lose the war
>Parliament blames you

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>2958614

>>2958667
I too lice George Wshington

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>inb4 hitler

>>2958638
Being Napoleon III is suffering. Problem is most of the suffering he could have avoided.

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>>2958614
Why are paintings of Mussolini so awesome?

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>>2958833

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>>2958833
because futurism is GOAT

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>>2958614

>>2958980
where are his donuts?

>>2958982
DELET THIS

>>2959012
ya vete a dormir mejor en vez de estar posteando tonterias

>>2959020
Ne puedes negar el progreso económico.

>>2958638
nappy 3 was too good for france

>>2958980
>leaders that were too good for this world
>leaders

>>2958669
nice

>>2958638
>Vastly improve the french economy, infrastructure, and merchant marine, singlehandedly allowing France to remain a great power for the next 50 years
>People still think you were a bad leader because "muh mexico"

>>2958638
allthough he knew that France wasnt ready he sperged out and declared war over a 19th century shitpost, truly a great man

>>2960120
France was still a great power until the mid-70's, not a superpower but a great power nevertheless

>>2959031

Tbh senpai si Diaz le hubiera dejado de jugar al verga en sus ultimos años y hubiera expandido las libertades civiles, tal ves no estariamos tan jodidos.

Tambien si los pinshis españoles le hubieran hecho a la gringa y nos hubieran invertido en infraestructura en ves de jalarsela brutalmente sobre la plata.

>>2958980
No. Would have been Cromwell tier bullshittery at best with that clown.

>>2960143
Diaz nunca haría eso, toda su política se trataba de complacer extranjeros.
Prefiero a españoles sobre los gringos, al menos ellos no exterminaron a la población nativa. Olvidas que somos mestizos.

>>2958614
Seems like a really insecure dude

>>2959705
The most overrated leader of the 20th century. Killed people for wearing clothes he didn't like and had absolutely horrendous economic policies.

>>2958638
The only great Frenchman post Louis XIV. The fact that his people were so quick to turn on him says everything you need to know about the nation.

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>>2958833
>>2958835
I guess nowadays we have Trump vaporwave which is sort of analogous but that's just awesome art.

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another one

>>2960253
commie scum that was about to ruin Iran, thank god Reza Shah took over

>>2960316
not even bite-worthy bait.

>>2960327
I'm not even ironic

>>2960316
The Shah was a US puppet.

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*recaptures Jerusalem and the holy lands for Christendom*
*is condemned by the Pope for not asking permission first*
*papacy launches counter crusade against Frederick II*

The Papacy deliberately set back the Renaissance 300 years in its constant fights against any modernising or powerful king. Don't let these cosplaying wannabe 'Catholics' fool you, the papacy is a blight on mankind, and on Christendom in particular.

>>2960417
no, you're just retarded

>>2958638
marx hated him because he was able to appeal to upperclass, middleclass, abd peasants. absolutely based.

>>2960241
>Killed people for wearing clothes he didn't like
What?

>>2958614
>lost in Ethiopia and Eritrea
fucking loser, kill yourself fascist shill

>>2960797
Several people were executed by Ataturk for wearing traditional clothes.

>>2960241
Its hard to say. In light of recent developments it seems like hos project has failed. Im still waiting to see how long it takes to totally erase his legacy to the point where turkey is sultanate or sharia tier

>>2962153
nothing last forever. Considering secular liberalism is antithetical to the Turkish being it's a miracle that it last as long as it did.

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>>2960942
Based, if you force your wife to wear this you deserve to go to the block desu.

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this man

>>2962654
Most women wear niqabs not because their husbands force them to, on the contrary, they are usually discouraged from wearing hijabs and niqabs by their male relatives.

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>>2958614

>>2964014

we wuz 'ol bony

>>2960251
This is the only correct answer desu.

>>2960258

No.

>>2964039
Top kek

>>2963126
Hello Ahmed

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>>2958614
>Mussolini
>based

>>2964263
How did he even dealt with this? Claiming to be the stonk, manly, militaristic and then getting rekt by anyone capable of holding a gun?

>>2964263
Does this make Greeks the true Romans?

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>>2958630
>>2960253
Good answers

>>2964294
Aestheticz>Realz

>>2960430
Better than a Soviet puppet.

>>2964294
>>2964326
>Italy was bad at war meme
Spotted the pop history plebs.

>>2964294
it's literally why the king deposed him in 1943 and hitler had to bail him out and made him a puppet in a puppet state

>>2959012
this desu

anyone who disagrees is a filthy zapatista

or a poor fag

>>2958835
Kek. This is definitely "how did they not realize they were the bad guys?" territory.

>>2966039
>Implying it's not true
Prove me wrong faggot. They could barely take over Ethiopia. Literally all they had to do to control the Mediterranean was take Malta and they couldn't even do that. Italy was Spain-tier and they didn't deserve Mussolini.

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I know he's basically a meme and discussing him is played out, but remember that all of Europe had to put him down because he was too dangerous.
Think of what you could accomplish in today's world with his mind. Never mind his charisma, just his mind.

>>2966258
>Literally all they had to do to control the Mediterranean was take Malta
What is Sinai and Gibraltar?
>and they couldn't even do that
Beating the strongest nation on earth (British Empire) is not an easy task.
>Italy was Spain-tier
Complete meme. Italy was an up in coming nation since it's unification which never really got the chance to become the European colonial power is was in a position to be. I personally blame manpower drain. If millions of Italians had gone to Libya instead of America and Argentina that'd be Italian clay to this day.

>>2960241
It was necessary. He wanted to turn the Ottoman Empire into a new and truly European nation. Too bad he failed.

>>2958614
Benito was just a brute violent peasant.

>>2966197
Because they were unintentionally inventing the aesthetic of what 'fascism' looks like.

>>2966197
>This is definitely "how did they not realize they were the bad guys?" territory.
How do you figure? It's just Mussolini's face over Rome. IMO nothing looks "bad guy" about it. The style is futurism. Same with >>2958833. It has a unique style because Italians are an artistic people.

>>2962654
>letting other men ogle your possessions

kys cuckold

>>2966337
>What is Sinai and Gibraltar?
Sinai could obviously have been taken via Africa, but again that's assuming the Italian military was competent enough to take Egypt, which it wasn't. Gibraltar wasn't really instrumental in controlling the Mediterranean so much as controlling who could get into or out of the Mediterranean. Malta was the real thorn in the side of the Axis as far as controlling the Mediterranean and taking Africa.

>Beating the strongest nation on earth (British Empire) is not an easy task.
This isn't even a fucking argument, you're just saying "lol Britain stronk". Taking Malta should have been Italy's first move in the war, but in reality Operation C3 wasn't seriously planned until after the invasion of Greece. And by that time the Germans were already stretched thin in Africa and wary of paratrooper operations after Crete. But the Italians wouldn't even need German paratroopers if they had gone after Malta in 1940.

In June 1940, the British had the following on Malta-
>3 Glouster Gladiators
>5 Fairey Swordfish
>1 monitor (HMS Terror) and 2 gunboats to defend Malta; the Med Fleet had withdrawn to Alexandria.
>19 heavy coastal guns (varying in size from 12-inch to 16-inch), 130 smaller coastal guns (4.5-inch to 9.2-inch), 112 heavy and 144 light anti-aircraft guns.
>42 anti-aircraft guns
>Garrison of <4000 soldiers
>5 weeks of food supplies
At that time, Italy was capable of amphibious landings and they should have gone after Malta no matter the cost. Greece and Africa and Albania mean nothing, and they did mean nothing, if you can't choke the Brits out of the Med. And this is just one example of how completely incompetent the Italian military was. At the outbreak of hostilities, ~1/4 of Italy's merchant marine was in foreign ports and ended up being impounded. It's as if the military was making decisions on what to do day-to-day with no foresight into what could possible happen as a result of their actions.

1/2

>>2966558

>Complete meme. Italy was an up in coming nation since it's unification which never really got the chance to become the European colonial power is was in a position to be
That's probably better for them, looking at how Ethiopia went I'm not sure they'd be able to stand the humiliation.

> I personally blame manpower drain. If millions of Italians had gone to Libya instead of America and Argentina that'd be Italian clay to this day.
Based on what? Italy outnumbered the Allies in almost every major engagement it took part in independently. Egypt, Compass, Greece, etc were all failures. The only time they ever really had success was when the Germans were there to carry the team.

>>2958833
>>2958614
why do people worship Mussolini on this site?

>>2966559
Italy controlled and possessed way less resources than every single allied nation. Especially coal. Which The British empire had in abundance. It's like Japan in many ways, except the allies are right next door instead of a world away.

>>2966034
Chiang Kai-shek was somewhat of a twerp if Joseph Stilwell is to be believed.

>>2966649
Famous white fascist who isn't Hitler.

>>2966559
Ethiopia had Russians, British and French backing them. Italy won its other colonial battles.

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>>2966669
Thanks for addressing what I've said


>>2966920
In the 1st war they only had material support and training from Russia. France was diplomatically aligned with the Russians and Ethiopians but they didn't physically do anything. The British supported the Italians.

>>2967179
I'm like 90% sure that Britain was fighting a proxy war with Italy in Africa over colonies. They kept in supplying Libyan rebels to harass the Italians who then built a series of border guards or something to stop weapon shipments.

>>2960251
Who is this?

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>>2964178
The next you're going to say is "Men set the beauty standards for women; women have no control over other women as men have no control over other men."

>>2967198
Britain wanted Italy to win the 1st war against Ethiopia and Eritrea because they didn't want France to get ports on the Red Sea. The Brits actually helped the Italians by sabotaging arms shipments from Russia that were moving through British Egypt. It wasn't some weird case where "WAAH EVERYONES AGAINST ITALY". They were a colonial player like anybody else, but they were a pretty piss poor one.

JFK

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>>2958614

>>2960241
Care to explain further how is economic policies were horrendous?

>>2960448
What's even worse then this is the Crusade that crippled the Byzantine Empire and then allowed for Muslims to infest Europe hundreds of years later...

>>2967530
I get the joke but it's out of place cuz Germans loved Hitler

>>2966313
As a Pole, I say his defeat was a bad thing to happen.

>>2967802
Stalin had what might be the most frightening gaze of all time.

>>2967834
looks like a friendly grin to me

>>2964329
THIS

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>>2966649
He was very handsome

>>2966559
Memes all over the place.
Not understanding in which situation the Italian hugh command versed is bad if you want to sound like an expert on the topic.
Italy had a huge lack of skilled military commanders, the only decent one was Messe. And even still, Italy wasn't in the position to join a war againt a major power due to it's economical capacity; to be honest it surprises me how we didn't do even worse than what we did in WW2, and that is probably due to the fact that singularly Italian soldiers at the start of the war were highly motivated and skilled. They lacked equipment though...

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>>2966649
he's a meme leader

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>>2958614

>>2960251
>A_Victim_of_Israel.jpg

How so?

>>2967404
>Britain wanted Italy to win the 1st war against Ethiopia and Eritrea because they didn't want France to get ports on the Red Sea
Proof with citation?

>>2960786
Can we send a nuke back through time to hit the Rhineland some time in the early-mid 1800s?

>>2960150
>implying that would be a bad thing

>>2960241
That is exactly what the uneducated Muslim degenerates who votes Erdogan beliefs

Go fuck yourself

the more the country turns religious the sooner the Secularists take over and do what Ataturk did not do enough on a large scale


Get rid of you religious scum

>>2967939
it's the title of an article by Evola on pic related, you may read it here: https://evolaasheis.wordpress.com/2016/04/14/a-victim-of-israel/

>>2967831
As an American and therefore at least partial anglo, I understand why I benefited from his defeat, but that doesn't mean I can't still be sentimental about the man. I genuinely think that a sufficiently patient Napoleon born today could rule the world.

>>2967235
Stolypin who was assassinated to halt his agrarian reforms maybe to bring about violent leftist revolution but Bogrov, the assassin, was also a member of the Russian secret police acting as an informant regarding leftist groups so a lot of people think it may have been a hit ordered by the more right-wing elements of the government. Notable, Stolypin's wife begged the court not to execute Bogrov (under the "killing him won't bring my husband back" reasoning) but he was tried and executed very quickly and the investigation was immediately closed by Nicholas.

Stolypin, notably, was one of the people who really, really hated Rasputin.

>>2967939
(((Bogrov)))

>>2968429
this man knows

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>>2968294
>beliefs
Umm no sweetie. It's Believe*.
>the more the country turns religious the sooner the Secularists take over and do what Ataturk did not do enough on a large scale
Even the Kurds have a better chance of taking over the country, then the Kemalists do. You tried to install your Secular dictatorship in the military coup d'etat and failed. The people all marched against the military once Erdogan told them what was happening, and defended him. Now you will Reap what you have Sowed.

>>2968157
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781444338232.wbeow311/abstract
This isn't obscure information, any book/paper on the war is going to tell you that the Brits wanted the Italians to block out the French in the Red Sea.

>>2970371
>wanted the Italians to block out the French in the Red Sea.
>wanted Italians to Conquer all of Ethiopia
Those are two separate things. The Italians succeeded in conquering Eritrea, which blocked French from red sea access to a considerable degree. Brits still aided in the Ethiopians in maintaining independence.

>>2960134
Come on, dude. I'm not a Francophile, but by most metrics France is still a great power today.

>>2970391
They aren't two separate things at all, Eritrea didn't exist as a modern state at this period, the Treaty of Wuchale split its governance between Ethiopia and Italy after Britain took over its previous controller, Egypt. Italy was being courted by the British as an ally in order to weaken Germany and they preferred total Italian control of Eritrea to split Italian/French control. The war was fought over a difference in interpretation of the Treaty of Wuchale by the Ethiopians and Italians because all of Europe save Russia and the Ottomans recognized the Italian claim over Ethiopia as a protectorate, but Ethiopia continued to act independently.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9F04EED8153FE23ABC4A51DFB166838E629EDE&legacy=true
You have no idea what you're talking about and you're just bullshitting in order to save face on an anonymous Burmese hand-painting exchange.

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>not even a single charles posted yet

Lads

>>2970464
>Eritrea is the same as Ethiopia
Opinion disregarded.

>>2970570
I didn't say that anywhere you stupid nigger, go back to /R/eddit. You're historically illiterate and now you're intentionally being obtuse because that's somehow better than just admitting that you were wrong and you learned something new.

>>2970464
The only time Ethiopia controlled Eritrea was after ww2

>>2970581
>"""They aren't two separate things at all"""
On damage control?

>>2960143
>>2960166

Si hubiesen exterminado a la población nativa, tendríamos hoy en sudamérica una demografía más limpia y bella.

>>2970464
>a sensationalist article written in 1935 by the Jew York times is my only proof

>>2970584
>>2970591
Where does that contradict with what I've said? The Treaty of Wuchale is what caused the war in the first place because the Ethiopians believed in gave them Eritrea while the Italians believed it gave them Ethiopia. The Ethiopians were fighting to take Eritrea and Italy was fighting to take Ethiopia, it was one single war you stupid faggot. The Brits didn't want Ethiopia to control Eritrea because it would allow France to expand there. Give me one source that supports what you're saying because I've already given you two that support what I'm saying.

>>2970645
>I'm going to enter the conversation at the very end and make myself look stupid
Well done.

>>2970752
The mark of a good president is selecting a good cabinet. Grant was too good to a fault of selecting wartime heroes and office seekers to his cabinet who ended up corrupt at worst and inept at best. He was elected to lead, not to read.

>>2970611
Es la verdad, pero esclavos son utiles, y los colonistas querian dinero.

>>2970784

Cierto. Al menos es cómo yo me lo explico a mí mismo.

>>2966649
Edgyness, he was retarded

>>2960245
...only great french leader*

>>2964014
autism intensifies

>>2966258
>Italy was Spain-tier and they didn't deserve Mussolini
Italy was Spain tier because of Cucksolini, italian fascism was a circus

>>2972245
>.
They had bread too

>>2964039
Cornelius was LITERALLY too good. That's why they killed him.

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>>2958614

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>>2958614
How come even the fascists who didn't go to war (Franco, Peron, Salazar) couldn't keep the system going after their deaths?

>>2972245
Wrong

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>>2972585
this 2bh

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>>2958614

>>2972596
What's he saying?

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>>2964329
Seemed like an all right guy to me.

>>2972587
Liberalism and communism winning the war. First off Franco wasn't a fascist but he was an authoritarian traditionalist. Who would back them? USA and USSR wouldn't,

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>>2967642

>>2972255
Literally just copy and pasted Mao' s strategy but tweaked it for use in Vietnam.

>>2964329
This!!!

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>>2966649
>he doesn't have a cult of neo-fascists defending his every move, so we can acknowledge the mistakes he made

>he was one of the original creators of fascism, so he gets points for originality and having the balls to actually implement his system instead of sitting in an ivory tower wishing people would listen to him

>he was manly as fuck, muscular and willing to literally sword duel any motherfucker who insulted him

>he was very clearly enjoying his time as dictator, as you can see by the mannerism of his speeches and their frequency. Like mom and dad always said, the important thing is that you have fun.

>he was fairly benevolent as far as dictators go, he wasn't out to exterminate other races and once in power he killed very few of his own people on purpose. He was morally superior to men like Hitler and Stalin.

>he definitely made mistakes, but some of those mistakes can be attributed to Hitler spazzing out on Europe. Had Hitler never come into power, Mussolini might have been known as a decent, albeit authoritarian dictator who spread the fascist ideology across the world

>>2970752
I like grant, he had good intentions and that counts for a lot, but he was too stuck in the military mindset of "I tell you what to do and you do it to the letter or I discipline you" and that just doesn't fly in politics. He tried his best and I respect him for that but his best just wasn't enough .

>>2972245
Italy was Spain-tier for the entirety of it's existence up to Mussolini's ascension, that's why the king gave him power in the first place. And not even Mussolini could save that spaghetti and turd sandwich.

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>>2974772
If he had stayed away from Hitler he could have waited until Italy industrialized after 5 years or so, this would have actually benefited Germany as they could have maintained a trade relationship without Germany having to bail out Italy's failures, and when Italy finally does decide to do a power grab against some of the smaller European, African, and middle eastern nations everybody is going to be too busy dealing with Germany, Japan, and worrying about the USSR to want to deal with Italy.

>>2966197
Why do you think that you think that that looks evil?

>>2960241
Turkish independence Ain’t free. The tree of reforms and secularism gotta be litterd with the blood of Islamists. Mehmed OTTOMAN VI aka “Şahbaba ” is not my sultan. he is Entente collaborator and probbaly arab as well :DD. nationalism and republicanism not "union and progress" ok. happy is he who says, "I am a Turk"

>>2966649
Because he is literally the closest thing to god

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>>2973776
Plus the artistic development in his time was pretty funny

>>2969557
Ataturk is arguably one of the best ways that a person could go about holding despotic power, to reform his nation and leave a legacy of a functioning republic in order to let those reforms pay off in the form of well chosen governments.

>>2967850
not him, but that's what makes him so freaking scary. You just know that even though he seems like he's in a good mood, your ass could end up in the gulag at the drop of a hat.

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>>2958833
>>2958835
>>2958866

>>2974772

What do you guys mean with Italy being Spain tier?

>>2964055
Best answer

>>2975408
post 18th century spain has been an utter clusterfuck of mismanagement and incompetence. think >>2970495 .

>>2958630
>nigger
>>2966197
>aesthetics are bad
>>2970752
We didn't deserve him.
>>2973776
This

>>2966649
They're actually falling for his superhero comic-esque cartoonish body language and they either don't know that Mussolini was a bloodthirsty war criminal like Hitler or they actually love him precisely because he's a genocidal maniac.

He's a real life villain, a walking caricature.

>>2973776
>he wasn't out to exterminate other races
>He was morally superior to men like Hitler and Stalin.
This meme needs to die already. He wanted Slovenes and Croats dead.

>>2976562
>Balkanite detected
as if you needed anyone other than your inbred cousins to kill you

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>>2976562
I'm sure he would have changed his mind later on, Hitler was a bad influence on him.

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Too good for this world.

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If only Chmielnicki's case wouldn't end up with Cossack uprising, he could make a fine king or at least Hetman.

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>>2958614

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>No tito
shame on all of you

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>>2977769
>united the inca peoples
>died without knowledge of europeans, thinking his empire would last ten thousand years
do it again pachacuti

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>just wanted to be a good progressive mideast leader but was to dumb
>dicked around by the west constantly
>un assembly audibly laughed when he addressed them in nyc
>while he was there Trump ripped him off by promising to let him park a tent on one of his properties and ended up charging him some insane price
>killed decades later by Hillary Clinton and got a bayonet shoved up his ass

>>2978232
>fuck with the best
>die like the rest

FTFY