Why is Poland allowed to worship a military dictator but not

because we don't worship him for his dictatorship after 1926, but for what he did in ww1 and 1920

>>2956208
This also he and his firends fucked up this country in 30s

And Franco was a fucking retard. He had to let the manage of the economy to capitalist experts because his autarchy was so shit, that Spain in 1960 barely changed of 1939

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>>2956208
>>2956215
It's that like liking Hitler for what he did before the war?

>>2956187
>Why is Poland allowed to worship a military dictator but not Spain or Portugal?

We don't. He is a controversial figure.

Even his biggest supporters admit that he dun goofed starting from 1926. Or 1930 at the latest.

>>2956226
Hitler fucked German economy

>>2956215
>This also he and his firends fucked up this country in 30s

To be fair, his friends laid a groundwork for an economic boom which started around 1937.

>>2956226
No because Hitler didn't save Germany from a Soviet offensive that was literally at the gates of the capitol

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>>2956230
Don't you name schools and streets after him though? Also monuments.

>>2956236
I mean army was shit. No modernization etc.

>>2956233
Tell that to the fash

> Wandycz characterizes him as "an ardent Polish patriot who on occasion would castigate the Poles for their stupidity, cowardice, or servility. He called himself a Polish Lithuanian, and was stubborn and reserved, loath to show his emotions."


>Greatest Polish national hero
>mocks Poles for being stupid

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>>2956226
Read this

>>2956249
It's true. Most of our people are stupid

>>2956187

>Franco
>More than 190 concentration camps, holding 170,000 prisoners in 1938[7] and between 367,000 and about half or less million prisoners when the war ended in 1939.
>At the end of the Spanish Civil War the executions of the “enemies of the state” continued (some 50,000 people),[180][181] including the extrajudicial (death squad) executions of members of the Spanish maquis (anti–Francoist guerrillas) and their supporters (los enlaces, “the links”)

>Piłsudski and Sanacja
>According to the surviving documentation of the camp, more than 3000 people were overall detained in Bereza Kartuska from July 1934 until August 29, 1939.[12] However, the camp's authorities stopped formally registering detainees in September 1939, after mass arrests began.[13] According to incomplete data from Soviet sources, at least 10,000 people had gone through the prison.[14]
>Detainees were supposed to perform penal labour, and at least 13 people died during their stay.[3]

They are not comparable. And most prisoners of Bereza were actual terrorist (Ukrainians and right-wing nationalist).

>>2956263
>anti–Francoist guerrillas
Don't tell me those couldn't be flagged as "terrorists"

>>2956263
Except Piłsudzki was a revolutionary himself and took over what was a democratic country.
(a good one at that, women could vote and minirities had equal rights)

>>2956217
Franco made Spain Great Again

>>2956278
You are still comparing 13 deaths from mistreatment (and other causes) to 50,000 executions.

>>2956282
Franco was a bloody murderer.

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>>2956187
Poland is still a mostly backwards, nationalistic country despite being a EU member for a long time. They haven't modernized completely yet.

>>2956288
So?

>>2956230
>that he dun goofed starting from 1926. Or 1930 at the latest.
Can you elaborate? I am actually interested.

>>2956291
>completely
>implying they even started


>yet
kek

>>2956283
How does that make imprisoning at least 10k people okay?

>>2956291
I see the german hate for slavs is still alive and well

>>2956294

He dun goofed with his coup d'etat of 1926. Later on, after he failed to reconcile with the opposition, he started to jail them. Moreover, as he aged he became more and more detached with reality and failed to recognize the need to modernize and mechanize everything.

>>2956304
Not him.
>criticise culture
>lol racist bigot
Every time.

>>2956291
taking in 3rd world countries was a mistake, they do nothing but leech

>>2956187
>Pilsudski is the symbol of nationalist Poland
>he was supported by socialists
>his coup was against nationalist government

>>2956291
Kill yourself Jean-Claude.

>>2956303
>at least
Those are Soviet estimates. Before the war only 3000 people were imprisoned.

>>2956256
>Most of our people are stupid

Amen. Poles are unfortunately easy to sway by elementary-school-level propaganda. Case in point: the bullshit about refugees that our government is spreading to gain support.

>>2956311
>polish nationalists are dumb
More news at 11

>>2956309
Think of their options.
>study in Europe
Lol taking our place, we should be getting educated not them!
>work minimal-wage in Europe
They took our jobs!
>work illegally
Criminals!
>live off welfre
Leeches!

Literally what do you want?

>>2956316
what kind of bs? honest question, not from poland

>>2956288
He murderded people worse than himself to protect the Spanish people. That makes him a hero.

>>2956315
>However, the camp's authorities stopped formally registering detainees in September 1939, after mass arrests began.
Read your own sources.

>>2956291
>accept these refugees or we will sanction you

They are basically admitting the migrants are a problem and that no one actually wants them.

>>2956316
It's not even about refugees at this point, it's about free money(500+ etc.)

>>2956293
Not ony he fucked up the economy for 20 years but he created an enormous division between the country.

>>2956322
i want them to at least try to do teamwork
it's ok to suck, but willingly do it is not good

>>2956316
>Dats right Poland. Let in deez Muslim niggers to commit crime and fuck up yo nation even doe you no to support your own citizens cuz Germany wants you to.
Kys

>>2956333
So... you want them to have jobs?
If you're just content with them having regular jobs then you're set, most of them do find work.

>>2956325
Those whom he murdered too were spaniards too you retarded yank.

>>2956328
>September 1939
Yes, that's the start of WW2.

>>2956340
im not talking about those who come here to work or whatever, im talking about the decisions their country leaders take (which are a reflection of plebs fb spam)

>>2956309
https://youtu.be/EAexp0w3H3c

>>2956342
Spaniards who were going to destroy the Spanish nation.

>>2956324
>>2956330
>>2956335

The leader of our governing party said almost literally: "the refugees bring dangerous diseases".

They spread such bullshit openly, while their meme-producing shills (Polish Internet is infested with paid shills) spread memes that even /pol/ would be embarrassed of.

>>2956352
How so? The communists and anarchists weren't even popular before the retarded army started the war.

>>2956217
Ah yes, except the republicans were literally antifa.

>>2956354
He's not wrong, Islam is the most dangerous of diseases.

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>>2956354
This can be true though

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Mol

>>2956340
Poland itself is still a second world tier country and source of emigration. Why the fuck would they waste resources letting in niggers and towelheads who'd be better off elsewhere? Fuck Germany and fuck merkel.

>>2956354
that was said by many politicians here too (italy) and many actually believe it
you should have heard them when ebola was still a thing
still, the plebs are the ones to blame for believing such bs, politics is simply telling them what they want to hear

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>>2956361
>Fuck Germany and fuck merkel.

>>2956357
>How so?
By starting a civil war, brutalizing average spanish and taking orders from Comintern.

>>2956360
WHAT THE FUCK I HATE RUSSIA AND ESTONIA NOW

>>2956364
apparently the entire visegrad group is edgy in your opinion.

>>2956361
Well, the cheaper cost of living would make settling people there cheaper than it would be to settle them in central or northern countries of the EU. But they'd probably move out, just like they moved out of Portugal, despite the government being super-pro-EU and there being no strong opposition to refuge settlement.

>>2956360
>tfw you willl never impregnate polish girls with your sacred sperm

>>2956361
because europe is giving them a lot of help to grow, would be nice to be thankful

>>2956365
>by starting a civil war
Except they didn't start this war.
>brutalizing average Spanish
No. It was mostly anarchists that weren't controlled by the republican government. Nationalists systematically murdered people.
>and taking orders from Comintern
Only the Communists.

>>2956360

You very image says "28% of colored people suffer from AIDS" which is a BS of epic proportions.

Secondly, it's beyond be how Poles could so easily forget how it was nice and fun to be judged by actions of individuals. During 1980s and 1990s Poles criminals often traveled to Western Europe to steal every shit that wasn't nailed down, and Poles were dismayed to be stereotyped as a nation of car thieves. And just look now - one black psychopath infected few women with AIDS - and now suddenly all colored people (so, not only Blacks) spread AIDS.

>>2956309
>>2956329
Funny how Proles complain about them being "leeches" but Poland is the welfre queen of EU.
All they do is take money and now they have to do something to contribute.

>>2956365
The civil war was started by Franco.
The popular front won in France too and they did not destroy it.
The socialist party did not take orders from the comintern.
>>>/pol/

>>2956354
>let in niggers from disease ridden nations who've never had a vaccine in their life
>BUT THEY'RE DISEASE FREE WE SWEAR

>>2956382
>take money from eu for healthcare programs
>should start spreading vaccines right
>waste it on buying adidas suits instead
>blame niggers

mmh right

>>2956382
>let in niggers from disease ridden nations who've never had a vaccine in their life

Syria pre-war was pretty ok by world standard, including vaccines. That is the country from which the refugees come from, not the fake ones which Poland isn't obligated to take in (and refuses to do so).

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>>2956354
Don't forget Poland has literal state propaganda.

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>>2956187

Meanwhile in Spain:
>http://www.fnff.es/
The oficial Francoist foundation that promotes the dicator´s figure
>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/30/spanish-woman-given-jail-term-for-tweeting-jokes-about-franco-era-assassination
Jail term after tweeting jokes about the assassination, which ocured in 1973, of a Francoist head of government.
>http://elpais.com/diario/2007/10/16/espana/1192485613_850215.html
A senior and very democratic politician who calims that "live was fine with Francoism"
>http://elpais.com/elpais/2017/03/30/gente/1490895938_776301.html
The heirs of Franco ignore the law to avoid opening to turistic visits a palace which the dictator received as a present.
>http://elpaissemanal.elpais.com/comics/familia-franco/#!/foto/1
A brief comic about the heirs of Franco, and how they make their livings

>>2956381
>All those republicans raping nuns and alienating everybody didnu nuffin, dey was gus boyz.
Also I thought you leftards didn't like the great man theory of history? But when it politically practical it's okay to make a statement as simplistic as "Franco started the civil war" I Guess.

>>2956389
Tbqh TVP was never good but this shit now is literally Goebbels tier

>>2956389
>Don't forget Poland has literal state propaganda.

Yeah, it's so horrible that their ratings are diving. So, our govt is making a new mandatory tax to prop it up.

>>2956389
So does USA. It's called mainstream media.

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>>2956397
>>2956398
>>2956389

At least the TVP is great for major lulz.

>>2956400
every country has mainstream media
the problem is how controlled they are

>>2956400

Dude, I want your Yankie news networks and it's nowhere near the bullshit that the Polish state TV is broadcasting.

>>2956400
Two-party system for you.

>>2956406
Yeah but they are some people who unironically watch this shit

>>2956400
You don't understand the scale of it. It's literally North Korea-tier "our great leader have done us a great service again, praise the lord" shit

>>2956411

How many of them. I know even some PiS-supporters that are embarrassed by what they watch.

>>2956417
My father and my grandma.

>polacks are shiting on their based right wing goverment
WHAT THE FUCK? /pol/ told me Poland is based

>>2956423

>believing anything /pol/ says

>>2956394

Franco did not start the war, he joined a coup, organized by other militarymen chiefly Mola. He end up being the undisputable leader thanks to the deaths of the General Sanjurjo and Mola in some aviation crashes.


So it seems that you knowledge about the subject is pretty limited.

>>2956423
/pol/ told me America will be great again

>>2956329
Poland has a birthrate of 1.29 that is even less than Germany (1.39)

They need those migrants

>>2956433
Not to mention young Pollocks are leaving the country.
>B-but muh 500+

He did not collaborated with Hitler, he wanted him jailed.

>>2956394
>civil war was caused by burning of monasteries
It was caused mainly by the agrarian reform

also i am not a leftard

>>2956433
>>2956433
>Poland has a birthrate of 1.29 that is even less than Germany (1.39)

And here you have the root cause why Poles voted in populists.

The country was developing fine for last couple of years, but people got less from it than could be expected. Especially young people who have to work long hours and constantly study to improve their skills. They had no time to create families and pregnancies were unwelcomed by private employers.

And you have PiS which promised 500 zl (roughly 130 dollars) for each child every month.

>>2956433

We have Ukrainians now, some say over 1 million already.

>>2956443
>some say
Really makes you think

>>2956433
the 1.29 stat is for 2014, anyway, do you honestly think refugees will become productive members of society?

>>2956433
>They need those migrants
Why? So wages can be lower and resources drained quicker?

>>2956423
>based right wing goverment

Polish government isn't right-wing. They are literal Bolsheviks, although this time with a Catholic and nationalist message.

This is literally a revolutionary government which openly disregards laws and court verdicts whenever it sees it fit. They want to transform the society entirely in one giant social experiment. In just two years they have taken over and changed for the worse: administration, schools, state prosecutors. Now they are taking over courts.

Also, they are the most nepotistic government ever. They don't feel any shame of it. Just two days ago one minister was filmed giving a CV od some guy's daughter to another minister. Their reaction when questione: fuck off, that's a non-issue.

I really hope I was one of those stupid kids screaming bloody murder over nothing. But the shit actually happening in Poland is big and has far-reaching consequences. It will take long years to repair what they have already destroyed.

>>2956469
B-but they won... that means they can do whatever

>>2956475

Even Trump accepted court decisions that were against his policies. Polish government openly refuses to execute them and ignores them.

Instead, they open their propaganda machine against courts and judges. This is literally some Bolshevik-tier shit.

>>2956488
They won

>>2956469
>Bolsheviks with a nationalist message
So white and based NAZBOL then?

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>>>/pol/130010594

>>2956475
That's not how Rule of Law works.

>>2956503

Populism at its finest. They went so deep into this shit that they literally can't go back without losing their face.

Not that they want to go back. They know they appeal to the lowest pleb by "standing up to the ebil EU".

>>2956488
>Instead, they open their propaganda machine against courts and judges.
This is the funniest part. Their propaganda is just so clumsy and obvious.

Liberals have their own propaganda machines, but they are much more subtle.

>pro-choice rallies in Poland
>TVP airs in prime time a pro-life documentary

>the government wants to do something with NGOs
>a huge campaign in TVP against NGOs + a documentary portraying NGOs in a very negative light in prime time

And every news is basically this:
1. Government is good/Opposition is bad
2. EU, Russia, whatever is evil
3. It's getting better and better in Poland
4. Random info about some religious festivals or alleged miracles

>>2956522
>Their propaganda is just so clumsy and obvious.

Don't be fooled. It's skillful, but not directed at you.

>>2956322
How about they just, woah, not take them in? Look what those "refugees" bring to Germany or France for example.
And look up what countries most of them are from.

>>2956488
>Even Trump accepted court decisions that were against his policies.
because the USA has independent judiciay

>>2956354
These people are a disease, my city was rather nice 20 years ago but it's turned into a shithole.

>>2956544

Poland also has. But that's about to be changed soon.

>>2956545
Where do you live?

>>2956550
Suburb of London. It had the problems that come with living in a big city, but it's quickly turning into an Orwellian hellscape.

>>2956567
>Orwellian hellscape

t. first world problems.

>>2956600
Sure but I would like to keep my nation a first nation and only have first world problems.

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>>2956433

>>2956703

Yeah, and all those retirements are going to just pay for themselves.

Decrease of population isn't inherently bad. It's bad when this decrease is caused by low birthrate.

>>2956703
The main issue is that the welfare state is a pyramid scheme that needs more and more people to prop it up. That's one of the big reasons people are always saying we "need" migrants.

>>2956311
>>he was supported by socialists
You mean by everyone, because he was the only person to be in golden middle which appeased everyone (at least for some time)
>Comrades, I took the red tram of socialism to the stop called Independence, and that's where I got off. You may keep on to the final stop if you wish, but from now on let's address each other 'Mister' [rather than continue using the socialist term of address, 'Comrade']!

>>2956291
This is why i hate Poland

>>2956433
We do not need them.
What they can even bring to Poland?
What good they can do?
Nothing good.
I will tell you if you remove all foreigners from UK it would only do good for people.
Less traffic, lower rent, cheaper housing, better pay as there is no cheap workers around, more safe cities. Less burdened NHS.
Birth rates in Poland will rebound.
And even if not - less people - less problems.

>>2956354
They are not wrong.
Actually they are correct.
The refuges that Germans invite mostly are not even from Syria but from all over Africa and Central Asia, undocumented and unchecked.
How Germans thought that letting them spread over country and go whatever they want to go was great idea is beyond me.

>>2956519
lmao shut the fuck up ahmed.

"Refugees" would do nothing but damage Poland.

>>2956709
>Implying that these migrants will even pay to this 'pyramid scheme'.
As western Europe example show it will not work that way.

>>2956716
No, he was specifically supported by the Socialists during the coup of 1926. They halted a lot of infrastructure to prevent loyalist troops from reaching Warsaw, since they believed Pilsudki was still a socialist himself. He was popular, but not so popular that he could just waltz in and take over unopposed.

>>2956600
>first world problem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

"Fallacy of relative privation ("not as bad as") – dismissing an argument or complaint due to the existence of more important problems in the world, regardless of whether those problems bear relevance to the initial argument."

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>>2956291
>>2956354
>>2956364
Who let the /leftypol/ shills in?

In fact, Salazar won a portuguese tv contest for the greatest figure in portuguese history back in 2007 LMAO
But it his true that all the tv's, cultural 'elites' and multiculturalists despise him these days.

>>2957049
>everything I don't like is /leftypol/, reddit, tumblr ect.
Every time.

>>2957057
You convinced us, /leftypol/. Nothing more glorious than letting Jamal come in your country and fuck your wife, huh? It's for the people after all.

>>2957051
Salazar was really based desu.

His only mistake was not adopting lusotropicalism

>>2956425
so what can you tell us about moscow gold and NKVD purges among republicans? Seems leftards are such cucks that they let themselves be robbed

>>2956469
>They are literal Bolsheviks, although this time with a Catholic and nationalist message.

So you just retarded. Because libtards were so much better.

>>2957235

That the failed military uprising which led to a Civil War meant that the pretty much irrelevant Communist Party became really important as the Liberal Democracies refused to aid the Republic (France did sometimes, mosly when under the Popular Front) making the Soviet Union the chief suplier to the Republic.
But they did not sent arms for free and it had to be paid with gold.

>>2957264
>But they did not sent arms for free and it had to be paid with gold.
Which was one of the main causes of the Spanish monetary crisis of 1937. Great job.

>Stalin, Yezhov, and Beria distrusted Soviet participants in the Spanish war. Military advisors like Vladimir Antonov-Ovseenko, journalists like Mikhail Koltsov were open to infection by the heresies, especially Leon Trotsky's, prevalent among the Republic's supporters. NKVD agents sent to Spain were therefore keener on abducting and murdering anti-Stalinists among Republican leaders and International Brigade commanders than on fighting Francisco Franco. The defeat of the Republic, in Stalin's eyes, was caused not by the NKVD's diversionary efforts but by the treachery of the heretics.

with such allies who needed enemies anyway? lmao
Also considering red terror republican commie scum got what they deserved. Franco literally did nothing wrong.

>>2956187
Nobody gives a shit about Poland.

>>2957286

Pfff...
You are so unoriginal...

>Franco is cool cause it saved Spain from some guys who only became powerful after Franco took part in a uprising which definitely desestabilized the country and led to a bloody war.

This board is full of people like you.

>>2957312
>blah blah I'm commie lover blah blah

>>2957321
Or maybe he thinks democracy and republic is better than civil war, borderline fascist dictatorship, and mass executions.

>>2957342
yeah, bacause live in stalinist spain would be sooo much better, comrade
>mass executions.
what's wrong about mass executing commies?

>>2957357

Again>>2957312

>>2957372

Again>>2957321

>>2956187
Because they're a buffer for Russians.

>>2957386

You know that saying that you are just recognizing that you were wrong and apologizing, dont you?

>>2957357
>commies
Republicans. Often just people who supported the Republic. The Spanish are still finding new mass graves.
And let's not forget about all those women raped and murdered by Regulares.

It's pretty funny how nationalists praise Franco today, even if he was the one who used Muslim savages against his own people.

>>2956709
Society is a pyramid scheme. Family is a pyramid scheme. Or did you let your old folks starve?

>>2957408
>recognizing that you were wrong and apologizing
about what? just 2 can play this game, comrade

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>>2957413
once you become a commie you're basically telling fuck you to your national identity and are therefore neglecting, therefore shouldn't be classified as yur former identity anymore

>>2957413
Commies aren't people, though.

>>2957427
*neglecting it
*your

>>2957427
>>2957428
>Commie
Except most of them were not Commies.

>>2957420

Well, you recognized that the whole Comunist thread happened after the uprising, here >>2957286

Or did you don´t even realize that you were backing that?

>>2956187
>thread about Piłsudski
>most posts are about modern Poland and Spanish civil war

>>2957413
>Republicans. Often just people who supported the Republic.
Socialists supported Republic so much that they allied themselves with red menace.
So called The Popular Front included also Communist Party of Spain, Workers' Party of Marxist Unification and fucking anarchists from Confederación Nacional del Trabajo. Republicans included also anarchists from Federación Anarquista Ibérica. We can't forget also commies from International Brigades. They all seems truly like democracy-loving bunch. Useful idiots supporting them paid the price. Theh should choose other side.

>>2957413
>The Spanish are still finding new mass graves.
Boo-hoo I'm curious how many of them is work of commie "republicans" Once how many of spanish clergy were killed?

>>2957413
>It's pretty funny how nationalists praise Franco today, even if he was the one who used Muslim savages against his own people.

I doubt he considered reds as his own people. Seems that leftards really don't mind being slaughtered by stalinist comrades.

>>2957453
>Well, you recognized that the whole Comunist thread happened after the uprising
what in this quote even suggesting it? it even says that so called republic supporters were fucking trotskyists

>>2957498


>Regarding the callous attitude of the Vatican, Manuel Montero, lecturer of the University of the Basque Country commented on 6 May 2007:[144]

>The Church, which upheld the idea of a 'National Crusade' in order to legitimize the military rebellion, was a belligerent part during the Civil War, even at the cost of alienating part of its members. It continues in a belligerent role in its unusual answer to the Historical Memory Law by recurring to the beatification of 498 “martyrs” of the Civil War. The priests executed by Franco's Army are not counted among them. It continues to be a Church that is incapable of transcending its one-sided behaviour of 70 years ago and amenable to the fact that this past should always haunt us. In this political use of granting religious recognition one can perceive its indignation regarding the compensations to the victims of Francoism. Its selective criteria regarding the religious persons that were part of its ranks are difficult to fathom. The priests who were victims of the republicans are “martyrs who died forgiving”, but those priests who were executed by the Francoists are forgotten.

>>2957502

Sorry I meant threat, no thread, my bad.

>>2957498
>Once how many of spanish clergy were killed?
Roughly 7000. Overall 50,000 is the popular estimate.

Francoists killed 100,000-200,000 people.

>>2957512
>Nevertheless, the Nationalists killed at least 16 Basque nationalist priests (among them the arch-priest of Mondragon),[140] and imprisoned or deported hundreds more.

Not suprising, considering basques supported republicans.

>>2957529
>Francoists killed 100,000-200,000 people.

how many were socialists and commies? So murdering of clergy is okay?

>>2957529
>>2957529
>Roughly 7000. Overall 50,000 is the popular estimate.

weird laps

>>2957549
>so murdering of clergy is okay
I never said that.

So it's okay to murder socialists and communists? Those were perfectly legitimate political movements. We are not talking about soldiers here, but about civilians, including women and children.

>>2957563
7000 members of the clergy, 50,000 people.

>>2957549

>commies
Very few of them.

>>2957573
It's perfectly okay to murder commie nation wreckers anad their socialist lapdogs Not that reds would behave any better though. You can call this pre-emptive strike

>communists
>perfectly legitimate political movement

lmao, ok, comrade

Cuz of his meme one liners like when he was asked about his political program he responded "beat whores and thieves that is my program"

>>2957577
sure, comrade

>>2957589

No, you want but you can´t. That´s why you are so mad.

>>2957589
Why nationalists lack basic human decency and always glorify genocidal bloody dictators?

>>2957599
>No, you want but you can´t.
Franco could so I'm happy.

>That´s why you are so mad.
You're also commie apologist. Did I guess right?

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>>2957616
I dunno, maybe you can explain me this, leftard? Great american ally, am I right?

>>2957619

No! You didn´t! XD
That´s the best part, that your "rage googles" has turn everything Commie.

>>2957642
>XD

Are you old enough to post here?

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>>2957650

>>2957625
I have a surprise for you. You can support left-wing parties and democracy and not be a Stalinist. Weird, isn't it?
No one here justifies massacres and crimes committed by the anarchists and communists.

>>2956233
Well he kind of made Germany the 3rd biggest industrial power in the world

>>2957659
>support left-wing parties
>not be a Stalinist
so flooding countries with non-white savages and forced replacement of native whites? It's not like this is much better

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>>2957625
>In the late stage of the Soviet Union, Stalin was pretty much deleted from it's history, all his repressive actions denounced
>In 2017 the average Lefty still glorifies Stalin

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>thread about interwar Poland
>derailed by spillover from wykop and their german friend from /pol/eddit
Fucking shit.


>>2956240
We do. Streets, schools, squares. They're all over the place.
Pilsudski is both a war hero and a peacetime hero here and no amount of communist butthurt will change it.
Also 20's were hard times and authoritarian means were necessary.

>>2957616
communists aren't humans though

>>2957679
>In the late stage of the Soviet Union, Stalin was pretty much deleted from it's history, all his repressive actions denounced

Well, it's not like his succesors were so much better in stubborn sustaining of this failed system
>Hungarian Uprising of 1956
>Prague Spring
>and many others

>>2957666
Through hugely irresponsible borrowing and unsustainable military spending.

>>2957687
>Also 20's were hard times and authoritarian means were necessary
They weren't. In what way Piłsudski improved situation in Poland if his coup was necessary?

>>2957666
Yeah by massive debts that was to be paid for by resources from war.

>>2957687
>muh corrupt government
>muh sejmokracja

>In December 1927, Gabriel Czechowicz handed 8 million zlotys to the official fund of Jozef Pilsudski. The money was then used in the election campaign of pro-government party, the Nonpartisan Bloc for Cooperation with the Government (BBWR). Furthermore, other expenditures of the government were not sent to the Sejm for approval.
>Even though Czechowicz followed the orders of Jozef Pilsudski, the Sejm decided that the Minister must face the State Tribunal. Pilsudski himself wrote a newspaper article “The Bottom of an Eye” (“Dno oka”), in which he presented a favourable picture of his minister. Despite this, on March 8, 1929 Czechowicz had to resign.The Tribunal itself did not achieve any decision, and sent the case again to the Parliament. Meanwhile, the Polish legislative election, 1930 took place, after which the Sanacja regime legalized Czechowicz’s actions.

And 1930 election was of course Brest election.

>>2956423
Despite what /pol/ may believe they are only right about 25% of the time.

>>2957714
>Irresponsible borrowing
>repairing the manufacturing sector and curtailing unemployment = irresponsible
Also military spending was only due to his desire to expand, it was an expenditure that could be cut at any time

>>2957726
The high debt is nothing compared to the absolute mess that was Germany's economy in the great depression.
I'll take expansion of Germany's infrastructure over crippling unemployment and war reparations

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>>2957481
What did you expect? This board by it's very nature is bound to attract people who have become entirely consumed by an ideology.
I miss the state of things (in general not just on the internet) when people could talk to each other trying to learn instead of advancing an agenda.

>>2957807
He wouldn't be able to pay it back unless he stole from his neighbors.That's what makes it irresponsible.

FDR pulled the same stunt without having to start WWII.

>>2957847
>FDR pulled the same stunt without having to start WWII.

He started cold war by being stalin's bitch though

>>2957687
>communist butthurt
I like how supporting a republic is the same as being a communist in this thread.

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ITT: Retards defend mass executions and putting opposition into camps because ideology.

>>2956291
Based Poland

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>>2957529
God bless Franco

>>2956342
Communists aren't people.

>>2956328
>1939
Hard to blame Piłsudski for anything at that point personally.

>>2956187
My second favourite Samogitian, tbqh.

>>2956291
>Implying nationalism is wrong
>Hating on Poland because they don't want sand monkeys in their country

You must be Frog or Eternal Kraut for sure and /left/ as well. Proceed to hang yourself.

>>2958065
>mass executions and putting opposition into camps because ideology.
Sounds absolutely right thing to do for me desu.

>>2956342
Communist have no nationality; they see themselves as first communists, internationalists, and then as the random country in which they were born. Their tribe is their ideology, not their fellow countrymen. Nationalist communism developed much later.

>>2956376
not polish, but here's an opinion:
after ww2 Western Europe was bailed out economically by massive american aid; when they were ok, later on, some of them (france) said fuck off americans, we don't agree with your way of doing things, we're going our own way. So Poland is basically in the same spot in my opinion, and they are even more so entitled to get help from Europe after they've been fucked over and betrayed so many times in their history by the same European Westerners that are now dismayed by how ungrateful poles are. They joined an free trade and free travel organization, not a fucking empire that can dictate their internal policies, so fuck UE for trying to blackmail smaller ex commie states to swallow immigrant cock as well, just because they were self righteous and realized only too late how idiotic they were.Accepting uncontrolled waves of ECONOMIC migrants was a huge and mindblowing mistake, Europe fell for the Turkish blackmail and it even went further than even the Turks had expected.

>>2958159
So happy because that shit is falling off

>>2956433
this fucking bullshit again; I thought soem of you were smarter than this. The secret lies in automation, not raising birthrates. Also, immigrants are never going to integrate and become productive members, especially in countries that are still largely traditionalist like Easter euro countries

>>2959286
It's either EU or Russia. But our current government hates both and tries to push the Visegrad Group meme.

>>2957687
>Also 20's were hard times and authoritarian means were necessary.

Authoritarian rule by a guy who had no idea how economics work? Fuck that. Poland was among the countries harderst hit by the Great Depression by this guy. Somehow the country entered a period of rapid industrialization and modernization once the old fart was dead.

Pilsudski's dictatorship was literally Poland's lost decade.

>>2959341

And according to Stanford, both Visegrad and Intermarum are clandestinely supported by Russia. It's in Russia's best interest to support any movement that destroys EU's internal cohesion.

>>2959346
>Stanford

Sorry, I meant Stratfor.

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>>2956187
>After the Polish Constitution of March 1921 severely limited the powers of the presidency (intentionally, to prevent a President Piłsudski from waging war), Piłsudski declined to run for the office. On 9 December 1922 the Polish National Assembly elected Gabriel Narutowicz of Polish People's Party "Wyzwolenie"; his election, opposed by the right-wing parties, caused public unrest. On 14 December at the Belweder Palace, Piłsudski officially transferred his powers as Chief of State to his friend Narutowicz; the Naczelnik was replaced by the President.

>Two days later, on 16 December 1922, Narutowicz was shot dead by a right-wing painter and art critic, Eligiusz Niewiadomski, who had originally wanted to kill Piłsudski but had changed his target, influenced by National-Democrat anti-Narutowicz propaganda.

>>2956187
Because Poles are not cucks and appreciate getting rid of red scum out of their country

>>2959401

Unfortunately, Poles are tremendous cucks, only they want to suck USA's cock.

Look at this ridiculous footage. The last NATO summit. Trump enters. Polish president's entourage immediately abandon their boss and flock to shake the Donald's hand.

This is some colonial-tier cuckery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5Gd0Aqndwg

>>2959496
This really. Polish elites can't live a day without gobbling on foreign cock.