"Islamic Terrorism"

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>>2953137
The existence of the Taliban should make it clear that this isn't just an Arab problem.

It's mostly a Sunni problem.

>>2953172
Aren't the Taliban a local movement? It seems like a separate phenomenon.

>>2953187
Sunni radicalism got riled up in the face of an invading secular power, with a lot of money flowing in from Gulf monarchies.

The Taliban's form of Islamism is connected to pashtun nationalism, but they are definitely Islamists. The two are sort of melded into one.

>>2953212
>Islamists
Do you mean something specific with this term? Is it distinct from "Muslim"?

>>2953224
I suppose from their perspective, it isn't distinct.

Usually the word "Islamist" refers to Muslims who want an explicitly theocratic government, and want to enforce Islamic law through state institutions.

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>>2953137
It originally came from Ireland

>>2953254
OP's talking about terrorism in the Islamic context.

>>2953172
>what is Hezbollah

>>2953258
Yeah and the mudslimes were inspired by the IRA

>>2953266
Hezbollah is roughly equivalent to Native American tribes who fought the US government.

They're more of an anti-colonial movement with strong religious tendencies.

>>2953277
>anti-colonial
>kick Jews out of Judea
>not kicking arabs back to arabia
giggity

>>2953291
You're thinking of Hamas. Who are justified in wanting the Jews gone by the way.

Hezbollah rose up as a response to Israel's invasion of Lebanon.

>>2953311
you seem to be lost ahmed al-poltard
your board is here >>>>/trash/

>>2953187
Taliban is rooted and supported not only in Afghanistan but also in Pakistan.

>>2953137
The movie HyperNormalization mentioned that it was invented by Iranian Shiites. The whole movie is online for free somewhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation#The_Human_Bomb

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>>2953316
I'm actually an American Christian who hates Muslims and Nazis.

But Israel really has to go.

>>2953330
t. blood libel truther

>>2953340
If a bunch of foreigners showed up in your land and said it belonged to them and their religion, Chaim, you'd do everything in your power to fight them as well.

Oh fuck, wait, that already happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish%E2%80%93Roman_War

>>2953349
>if a bunch of distant cousins moved back home and started buying unused desert from you you'd definitely sperg out and start killing them.

>>2953381
Yes, if I figured out Canadians were trying to quietly buy up swaths of my country to create a French ethnostate, I'd probably start attacking them.

>>2953393
If you lost a war with a French ethnostate, I would probably laugh at you, and then laugh even harder when they won multiple additional conflicts and dropped white phosphorus on your children.

Are there any groups within the Sunni world that have a particularly good track record when it comes to not supporting terrorism? I mean ethnic/national groups.

>>2953414
alright but you'd still be a nigger

>>2953426
Kurds post-Saddam.

Back in Ottoman days though they were pretty bad. Communism and feminism mellowed them out.

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>>2953254
Nobody ever used fear for political purposes before the IRA.

>>2953393
Israel is in almost no non-symbolic way an 'ethnostate'
Arab citizens of the country have the same rights and Jewish ones, actually quite a bit more.

>>2953479
Germany was in almost no non-symbolic way an 'ethnostate'
Jewish citizens of the country had the same rights and German ones, actually quite a bit more.

Hitler did nothing wrong.

>>2953479
>Israel is in almost no non-symbolic way an 'ethnostate'
555-COME-ON-NOW

>>2953565
Congrats, you've entered moron unworthy of dialogue territory.
Toodles

>>2953623
Would you care to explain in what ways the Israeli governments treat its Jewish citizens differently from its Arab ones? The only one that comes to mind immediately is the military draft, which most Jews are subjected to and most Arabs are totally exempt.

>>2953636
>immigrants get DNA tests to prove jewish by blood
>government very much not under arab influence
>interbreeding rates are low

That's all you need.

>>2953773
>>immigrants get DNA tests to prove jewish by blood
this was discussed and never implemented and has nothing to do with people who are already citizens are treated.
About 14% of the current Knesset is Arab, slightly less than the actual representation in the Israeli population
>interbreeding
the Jews and Arabs are not known for being deeply in love with each other. What in the name of Allah does that have to do with government policy?

>>2953773

Immigrants are by definition not citizens. Arab citizens of Israel have full political representation, and since when does rates of miscegenation been indicative of anything beyond degeneracy?

>>2953773
>>2953784
I would also like to add that if they did ever implement blood testing to determine Jewish ancestry, it would be the greatest blessing the Palestinian Arabs had ever been bestowed.

>>2953636
>>2953784
I thought JIDF was a meme.

>>2953832
not an argument

>>2953340
Blood libel was true, even Jewish historians admit it.

>>2953858
>>2953858
lol

>>2953426
Tatars, Kazakhs, Bashkirs and Kyrgyz people.

>>2953869
Read "Passovers of Blood" by Ariel Toaff

>>2953890
" Toaff wrote that these critics had misunderstood his book, which argued that the ritual use of small quantities of dried blood in magical curses had been a real practice among medieval "Ashkenazi extremists", but that this was unrelated to the accusation of ritual murder which was the central claim of blood libel"
you people really are complete ignoramuses aren't you?

>>2953426
Jordan. their King is a direct descendant of Muhammad (Pbuh). The leader of Hezbollah is also a direct descendant of Muhammad

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How do we kill the cancer that is Israel?
Pic related is from Hilary Clinton's leaked emails.
America literally fucked over Syria to make sure Israel keeps hold of it's Nuclear Monopoly.

>>2953271
... No one can be this retarded can they?

>>2953988
gonna need an actual source on that

>>2953137
Sunnis

>>2953137
it started in the 7th century...

>>2954007
>gonna need an actual source on that
Literally go to Wikileaks, Type ''Hilary Clinton's leaked emails Israel'' and see it for yourself if you don't believe me.

>>2954027
okay but it doesn't indicate Israel told or directed them to do this. Seems to be Hilary's idea.

>>2954027
and it clearly indicates helping israel was not her only rationale.
She thought overthrowing Assad would result in Syrians becoming free.

>>2954035
>okay but it doesn't indicate Israel told or directed them to do this. Seems to be Hilary's idea.
Unironically doesn't matter. It still doesn't refute my point that America fucked over Syria, and that making sure Israel keeps hold of it's Nuclear Monopoly was part of the motive that led them to do this.

>>2954061
>hilary does dumbass things to help Israel
>this is shomehow Israel's fault

a large number maybe even half of ISIS members are Chechen & North Africans.

Iran supports sunni and shia terrorists (Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Houthis)

saying all terrorists are sunni is retarded

also ISIS isn't sunni
>inb4 Islam is religion of peace meme
no Islam is the most brutal religion on earth I'm just stating facts

all sunni scholars say killing non fighting people and women and children and old people is forbidden.

yet ISIS still does that e.g: Manchester

the Quran says killing anyone who says the shahadh is forbidden

yet ISIS still kills shites and other sunnis who are against them.

>>2954072
>all sunni scholars say killing non fighting people and women and children and old people is forbidden.
Al Baghdadi has a pHD in Islamic studies so clearly not.
>>2954072
>the Quran says killing anyone who says the shahadh [sic] is forbidden
where?

>>2953988
>That pic.
Thank God Hitlery Cunton isn't president of America. Assad needs to win the civil war. Anything that is good for Z*onist interests, is something i oppose.

>>2954091
do you think America and Europe becoming Islamized would be good for the Zionist cause?

>>2954091
you know the guy who won bombed Assad last month?

>>2954083
>phd = right
I'm talking scholars from a thousand year ago

>where?
sorry not Quran it's a hadith
https://sunnah.com/muslim/1/184

>>2953137
I'm guessing this thread did a pretty good job of answering your question, OP.

>>2954066
>>this is shomehow Israel's fault
If it was done to benefit Israel. Then yes, absolutely.

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>>2954091
cough cough cough

>>2954100
>do you think America and Europe becoming Islamized...
Couldn't care less. It's America and the West's fault for funding rebels and terrorists all over the Middle East for Oil and Israel. You shall reap what you have sowed you cunts.

>>2954134
those goalposts have blurred right past me.
>>2954181
I'm gonna go kill somebody and steal all their money to give to you. It'll be your fault

>>2954456
>I'm gonna go kill somebody and steal all their money to give to you. It'll be your fault
If it was done for my benefit, then yeah it is my fault.

>>2954468
I'm literally doing it to benefit you. You're going to prison anon.

>>2954472

I think you two are running on different ideas of what 'fault' means.

It would be his fault if you robbed and murdered someone planning to give it to him - if he hadn't existed, that person wouldn't have been robbed and murdered.

It doesn't mean he'd be responsible for the man's murder and death.

Started in the 600s and is still going strong today.

Islam is cancer.

>>2953137
>Can we talk about the history and emergence of "terrorism" in the Islamic world?

Apparently we cannot OP

>>2954607
Terrorism is a modern phenomenon, it couldn't start in a pre-modern era.

>>2953426
The Chams. They have every reason to turn into SEA Taliban types, but haven't. The violent Muslim ethniticies today have always been belligerent and violent cultures. Islam just changed their memes.

>>2954072
>Iran supports Al-Qaeda
Stopped reading here. You are a retarded
>Houthis
They are a Shia demonimation you retard.

>>2956868
>Iran didn't support Al-Qaeda
Multiple wanted Al-Qaeda terrorists are currently living in Iran, Hezbollah and Al-Qaeda used to train togther in the 1990s

Sa’ad bin Laden, who is Osama's son, before his death in 2009 was among the top Iranian based Al Qaeda officals. another Iranian based top offical too is mustafa hamid. faggot

>Houthis is a shia branch
that's zaidiyyah you fucking retard, houthis AKA: Ansar Allah, is an Iranian supported terrorist organization

>>2953324
>Iranian shiites invented a thing that harmed Iranian shiites and made Israel even more powerful
Thanks, not going to watch that garbage now

>>2954072
>isis isn't Sunni
How can you even think this

>>2954005
never underestimate the ability of humans to follow only the narrative that suits them

>>2957302
A lot of influential Sunni clerics, including former Grand Mufti of Egypt, issued a fatwa which said that Wahhabis are not Sunnis, and that you can be a Sunni only if you follow one of the two orthodox schools of Sunni Islam: Ash'arism and Maturidism. I think it's called Grozny fatwa.

>>2957354
That doesn't change the fact that they consider themselves Sunni and religion is generally a self identified thing

>>2957363
>religion is generally a self identified thing

Not in Islam

>>2957366
Yes it is

>>2957302
Sunni means you take from the quran and sunnah, ISIS does things that are forbidden according to the quran and sunnah, therefore ISIS is not sunni

>>2957354
That's like the Pope issuing a decree that only Catholics and Orthodox are recognized as Christians.

>>2953636
Roommate was from Israel, told me all about this situation.

First of all, "Arabs" (meaning all Muslims) are seriously and violently discriminated against by the local Jewish population. My roommate's family advocated for Arab rights and was ostracized. Many Israelis think of Arabs as less than human.

But that's just the average people. I'm sure you'll say, "But what does the GOVERNMENT do to Arabs?" as if the government is not made of average people whose views can affect their work. Well, I'll tell you.

Israel is sorted into a system of small villages (~400 people) and these villages are the basic local government structure in Israel. But they're everywhere. You can see multiple other villages from atop one village's hill. Anyway, these villages are allowed to decide who can move in, and of course, they normally disallow Arabs to move in. It's like redlining in America. Also, businesses can refuse to hire men who have not served in the military. Guess what this means? No Arabs working in their business. So they can be denied the most basic life necessities, housing and work, and through denying work, food and clothing, for no reason other than racism. The government permits this by refusing to intervene. Almost like they don't want Arabs in Israel either!

>>2957374
If you go by autistic legalistic definitions, then yes.
Thankfully, most people aren't autists

>>2957371
No it's not. According to Islam, you can be an infidel even if you claim to be a Muslim. For example, if you say that Muhammed was a faggot but self-identify as a Muslim, you are still considered an infidel.

>>2957391
That's implying other people have jurisdiction over your beliefs, which isn't true
It's no different in other religions

>>2957398
No Islam is special.

>>2957404
Ok, habibi

>>2957388
if they practically practice different religions with different rules that bind them why would you put them in the same category? sure they originate from Sunni background if that's why you mean by a non autistic definition. but that doesn't mean anything

>>2957374
The Quran and the Sunnah do not say that if you do not act every time with accordance to the Sunnah you stop being a Sunni.

Political Islam is a response to modernity. Traditional Islam as it is still practiced by hundreds of millions of Muslims in places like the Sahel, Sindh and Java, is a highly syncretic religion, absorbing elements from animism, paganism and Sufism. As these traditional communities are disrupted and societies are urbanized, the new lower middle-classes of the urban Muslim world seek a return to a more "pure" form of Islam, as practiced in the beginnings. This is only going to increase with the modernization of Islamic countries in Africa and Asia.

Now, the reason why this Political Islam also develops terrorist tendencies is really because of Muslim culture. Similar developments in countries like Brazil, for example, have evangelical protestants attacking shrines of other faiths and destroying them, just like Protestants destroyed icons during the Reformation, but they don't bomb anyone the way Islamists bomb Sufi shrines in Pakistan. Islamic terrorism, therefore, emerged because Islamism in its essence condones violence and martyrdom, and once people began looking for the roots of Islam to follow, they found it there.

>>2957374
"No true sunni puts sugar in his porridge."

>>2957289
Not him, but it's a good movie.

It goes on about how shiites cranked up self-flaggelation to allow stuff like having schoolboys clear out minefields. Then sunnies stole the idea and ran with it until they got the human bomb concept.

Israel, Palestine, Syria, Iraq and are all mentioned and you come to learn how stuff spiraled out of control because Kissinger played Assad (dad) and it backfired.

>>2957412
>why would you put them in the same category
Because that's how language works you moron

>>2957421
No but there are specific things that are mentioned in the books that when done are ruled against with leaving Islam (when you do x you're not a Muslim anymore)


>>2957459
lad I'm not talking about linguistics here you fucking retard

>>2957485
You're framing it in a linguistic way you retard

>>2957375
But there's nothing wrong with that position.

>>2957388
>If you go by autistic legalistic definitions, then yes.
No other kind of definition counts in Sunni Islam.

>>2957574
not him. perhaps not, but that still wont stop orthodox christian people of thinking of themselves as christian

>>2953454
>Nobody ever used fear for political purposes before the IRA
You say that almost as if you believed it yourself. That's objectively false

>>2953172
>Pashtun nationalism

>>2953988
>Cancer that is Israel
>Israel is the only western democracy that isn't a complete backwards shithole in the middle east
Try again please

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>>2958045
>Israel
>western

>Israel
>not a backwards shithole

>western democracy
>not cancer

>>2957379
>Also, businesses can refuse to hire men who have not served in the military.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with this at all. Plenty of Arabs serve in the IDF both voluntarily and the Druze who are drafted. Plenty of Jews evade the draft through various means.

>>2958045
Yes, yes. Those Ethiopians who got sterilized got a good taste of the Western Democracy that is Israhell.

>>2953137
>Lebanon
>Arab

>>2958490
You are not fond of reading it seems.

>>2953137
Coptic language is dead

>>2958133


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#List_of_countries_by_non-continental_region

>>2954091
>Assad needs to win the civil war
Assad fucked up. He has to go.

>>2959778
>Saudi Arabia is a highly developed country.
Opinion discarded.

>>2960039
>Assad fucked up. He has to go.
What did he do wrong? I'm all ears.

>>2960042
How is Saudi Arabia not a developed country? Saudis are even more productive than Germans. Did you fall for the "economic progress is impossible without social "progress"" maymay?

>>2960046
Not preventing the civil war from starting? If your country descends into such chaos under your rule, that means you are a pretty shitty leader.

>>2960214
>Not preventing the civil war from starting?
The civil war started thanks to the economic sanctions the West imposed upon Syria.

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>>2960210
>Saudis are even more productive than Germans.
Mate. I'm a Saudi, but even i know this is nonsense. Saudis are the most lazy, entitled, Insufferable people in the Middle East. Everyone from the Muslim and Arab knows that.

>>2960255
The West imposed sanctions on Syria because Assad was hostile to the West. He should have been more friendly towards Western powers in the first place

>>2960268
http://www.themoneyillusion.com/?p=31908

>>2954072
>Scholars says killing is forbidden
>Their prophet was a mass murderer

ISIS is objectively living by the way of life as their prophet

>>2960271
>The West imposed sanctions on Syria because Assad was hostile to the West. He should have been more friendly towards Western powers in the first place
As he should. Assad being ''friendly'' to the West means bending over and giving them his head on a sliver platter.

>>2960274
He didn't say that scholars claim that killing in general is prohibited. He said that scholars claim that killing non-combatant women and children is prohibited, which is true. This was the opinion of such renown scholars as Muhammed al-Shafi'i, the founder of the Shafi'i madhhab, and Ahmad ibn Hanbal, the founder of the Hanbali madhhab. I don't remember what were the opinions of Abu Hanifa and Malik ibn Anas on this issue, but since the Hanafi and the Maliki madhhabs tend to be more "liberal" on most issues than the Shafi'i and Hanbali ones, I imagine they held a similar view.

>>2960273
It literally states in that website that almost all of the Saudi workforce is foreign labor. This country is the definition of a welfare state.

>>2960279
Bending over to the West is worth preventing a war than killed half a million of your citizens.

>>2960255
source? the civil war began because Assad violently suppressed protesters.

>>2960300
And turn your country into Libya 2.0? I don't think so.

>>2953137
Islamic terrorists are almost 100% funded by Americans and Israelis. Back in the 60s, Arab terrorists existed, but they were mostly socialists and nationalists, not goatfucker islamists. Even (((Hamas))) was originally created by Israel in order to undermine the socialist PLO and splinter the Palestinian nationalist movement.

>>2960326
To be fair Hamas hasn't always been as batshit crazy as they are today. All that happened after the Cave of the Patriarchs shooting

>>2960300
Sadam tried that and look where it got him. Once he realized Iraq is a mere lapdog being exploited by the west and their puppets (like Kuwait stealing oil from Iraq), they bombed his country to the stone age and sanctioned his ass to kingdom come, starved Iraq until it became a paper tiger and the finished it off with a full scale invasion 13 years later.

Or you can look at Gaddafi who tried his hardest to make amends with the west and become a good goy, didn't help him one bit.

>>2960320
>First limited, sanctions against the Assad government were imposed by the U.S. in April 2011, followed by Barack Obama's executive order as of 18 May 2011 targeting Bashar Assad specifically and six other senior officials. On 23 May 2011, the EU foreign ministers agreed at a meeting in Brussels to add Assad and nine other officials to a list affected by travel bans and asset freezes. On 24 May 2011, Canada imposed sanctions on Syrian leaders, including Assad.

>>2960320
The civil war began because Assad quickly put down the west-sanctioned (((Arab spring))) bullshit, upon which they started importing goatfuckers from as far as England to Syria to fight Assad, and armed them.

ITT:butthurt Arabs and Arab sympathizers

>>2960352
Get out, Chaim

>>2960273
Motherfucker Arabs are becoming a minority in their own countries because they are importing pooloos and pinoys by the bushel. The actual Arabs just live off of gov money.

>>2957379
Why dont palestinians just pretend to be kikes? They already have the same nose length so they could probably do it pretty easily

>>2953454
>Nobody ever used fear for political purposes before the IRA.
What is anarchism in the 19th century?

>>2953858

>one guy says it so it just be true

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>>2957379
>First of all, "Arabs" (meaning all Muslims) are seriously and violently discriminated against by the local Jewish population.

It really depends. You need to understand the geo-politics for it to make sense. In Israel the big divide is between the white, left-leaning, rich and secular Ashkenazic Jews, and the brown, right-wing, poor and religious Mizrahic Jews.

The Mizrahi Jews have spent the last 1,400 years under Sharia and to be fair they are pissed about it. I know a fair amount of them and they usually will talk about how Arab-Israelis have more rights in Israel then they have ever been able to have in Arab lands. They almost have a "never forget" complex, but with how horrible they have been treated by Arabs. They get fed this narrative of how they were mistreated by them until Israel came in and saved the day. I knew this dude who called the Ashkenazic Jews in general "Arab sympathizers"

I'm pretty ignorant about Islam so can anyone enlighten me? I hear people say the "religion of peace" stock phrase and I also hear people say it's intrinsically violent. It was created through bloodshed and Mohammed was a warlord, but the Koran also contains messages about peace, charity etc and the early Islamic caliphates allowed religious minorities. How do scholars reconcile the message of peace and the violent nature of Islam? Do you think Islam lends itself to terror more than other faiths or is it just a theological justification for political, cultural, and social reasons for terrorism?

>>2963096
can confirm. the only Middle Eastern Jews in Israel who like where they came from are the Kurdish Jews.

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>>2963118
Only if you think "Islam = certain parts of arabic shitholes".
Indonesia is the most populous muslim country and they barely have any problems* same also applies to malaysia their neighbour which has even less violent chimpouts.
Also central asia has been muslim for hundreds of years, they not only have resisted/never integrated with communism but seem chill as fuck. Same applies to northern Africa countries as well (Tunisia, Algeria, morocco etc who's been poor/ no resource)

The whole issue is due to massive external provocation for oil, wahhabist/israel shared interest and having no one actually in charge ie a strong caliph. Nation states were a fucking huge mistake. Also the whole Europe issue is because certain (((interests))) seem to really like exporting outside cultures into there, the flow of which vastly increased once Libya was attacked and overthrown.

*There were bombings occurring there, but most of the time it's done against foreign cultural incursions, like Bali clubs being set on fire, like how polish nationalists would torch those lgbt rainbows on the capital.

>>2962129
The difference with non arabs in the gulf making the arab natives a minority is that these south asians never get citizenship or permanent residency so they have leave eventually unlike the West which naturalises every one left right and centre. The immigration model arabs apply isnt actually that bad, they get all the economic benefits of immigration however they dont face lasting demographic change.