>Japan moves capital from Kyoto to Tokyo >still Japan >Brazil

>>2952736
>ROMAN Empire moves capital from ROME to Constantinople
>it's suddenly an entirely different country
Truly makes one ponder.

>>2952741

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it wasnt though

the change happened after the west fell

rome is leagues larger than japan, stretching over a far wider scope of the globe than any brazil, and not some remote hellscape like russia.

the move from moscow to st. petersiburg is really just down the road compared with the travel and communication constraints of rome vs constantinople

none of these countries had the bordering hostile savages to worry about either

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>>2952741
>Portuguese Empire moves capital from Lisbon to Rio, while the homeland is under invasion by Napoleon
>still the Portuguese empire

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>>2952741
>PERSIAN empire moves capital from PERSEPOLIS to Susa
>it's suddenly a different country

Truly makes one ponder.

>pre-modern Empires are the same as modern states

>>2952741
Roman refers to the Roman people, not the city of Rome.

>>2952772
The word Persia/Persian came from the region of Pars.

>>2952793
t. Caracalla (who was born in G*ul btw)

>>2952812
And Susa isn't in Pars

>>2952736

>country = empire

it's the Nihon empire not the Kyoto empire

Rome stopped being the city of Rome and its empire when the capital was moved to Milan. It then became the Empire of the Romans.

>>2953378
Rome stopped being the city of Rome when Augustus became its Emperor, it became a pretender using its corpse for legitimacy

>>2953514
Rome stopped being the city of Rome when Junius Brutus and his colleagues declared the Republic.

>>2953526
That doesn't work because the Republic is arguably the high point of Roman civilization. The Empire was never as great.

>>2953538
t. Kikero

>>2952736
Ancients always thought in terms of peoples.

It was never the Roman Empire.

It was the Empire of the Romans.

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>Late baptism to cleanse the sins
Constantine was a fucking autist now that I think about it

>>2952741
>>>2952741 #
>romans didnt have the agency tto change their capital city
Really makes one question.
>>2954126
This. We as English speakers also tend to forget the Latin languages put the noun after the verb or adjective.

They never called themselves Byzantines, they called themselves Romans. Stop listening to Renaissance scholars.

>>2954156
They never called themselves Romans

>>2954166

Did they not? Either way point stands, the citizens of the Eastern Empire thought of themselves as the same Empire. The West was some abandoned shithole that Justinian should forever be mocked for losing.

>>2954166
But they did. They never called themselves anything but Romans until the 13th century. And even after that they didn't identify primarily as Greeks.

>>2952736
>Turkey moves capital from Constantinople (Europe) to Ankara (Asia)
>suddenly it's now a European country

really activates my almonds

>>2952741
Yeah, it was the Roman Empire because it was founded by Romans. That's what they called themselves.

The Empire was not started by Italians or Latins, but by Romans

>>2952741
>You have to live in Rome to be Roman Citizen
>what is the Lex Julia and Lex Plautia Papiria
>what is the Edict of Caracalla