>do unto others as you would have them do unto you But why?

>>2951296
because if you don't YHVH is going to force you to eat your own children

what goes around comes around

>>2951300
Karma doesn't exist.

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>>2951296
feels good man

>>2951296
Because it is good to experience the world, and to allow others to experience it without either imposing upon one another, and that doctrine is a central component of that.

>>2951318
>and to allow others to experience it without either imposing upon one another
Why?

>>2951296
>>2951320
>>>/kindergarten/

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>>2951296
Because herd morality has subverted master morality and is being force feed to the youth.

>>2951327
No convincing argument was given then either.

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>>2951306
who said anything about karma?

>>2951344
And if the Nazis had superior force it wouldn't have come around.
It's only incentive to follow the rule when situation makes it likely for it to "come around".

>>2951296
Because it encourages one to attempt being empathetic by bootstrapping it through a selfish lens.
At the very least it should encourage one to see others as fellow humans with thoughts and feelings of their own just like one's self and thus find it harder to not mistreat others.

>>2951348
>by bootstrapping it through a selfish lens
But it falls apart if you think about it for more than a second.
>and thus find it harder to not mistreat others.
How does that follow?

because being nice to other people has potentiality in increasing your security behind other people in a time of danger or crisis/prevents them from backstabbing you

you really don't have to be a submissive yesman to practice such a doctrine and gain people's respect, and obviously it doesn't matter in cases where you can identify the outcomes of your interactions as non-consequential

>>2951296
Because if you fuck with people you are likely to get fucked back

What confuses you about reaching a state of peace, harmony between people so we don't steal, hurt, or kill each other?

>>2951365
But that's not true in many situations.

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>>2951296
Do unto others before they do unto you

>>2951350
>falls apart
explain
>How does that follow?
If you see another person as someone like you as opposed to something inanimate or lesser then it is harder to do harm to them, assuming you are not severely unempathetic.

>>2951417
There's not much selfish reason to do unto others because in many cases your behavior isn't related to how others treat you.

>>2951435
The selfish reason is avoiding bad feels.

>>2951347
>if the Nazis had superior force it wouldn't have come around.
they thought they had superior force, turns out you can't always tell

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>love your neighbor as you love yourself
>Most people hate themselves

>>2951463
Gee who would have thought that Germany and the Italian LARPing as Caesar weren't a superior force against France, England, and the USSR whom Germany was going to """intelligently""" break their non-aggression pact with?
You're right though. No one can see these things coming.

It doesn't feel good or pay off emotionally to be an asshole your entire life.

>>2951296
>But why?

You shouldn't, its one of YHWHs unjust laws.

If you do unto others what you want them to do to you, you will inmediately giv money to a rich man, because you'd love to be rich and still have people hand you money.

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>>2951296
>be extreme sexual deviant
>rape and kidnap others for sexual purposes
>mfw still perfectly moral according to Jesus

>>2951591
all you have to do is believe, rapture comes for saint and sinner alike

>>2951361
Best answer in the thread, and coincidentally the only one op avoided like the fag he is.

>>2951296
>>2951320
Because that's how the world works honey now go to bed.

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>>2951296
>>2951320
>>2951336
I don't want to worry you OP, but this is not something that someone should have to explain to you. Not understanding why treating others badly is bad, is a sign for being either an autist or a psychopath. Most people want to be treated well, and like treating others well in return.
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is you just basic information: If i hit someone, i'm more likely to get hit by them in return; if i treat someone well, i'm more likely to be treated well in return; etc.

>>2951361
If you're going to justify it with selfish reasons why not use more selfish rule like "do what you can get away with" or something?

>>2951296
So stupid people can adhere to a concept without fully understanding it.

It's a poetic expression of the principle: "don't treat other people badly", so it's a lesser waste of time to just skip the crap and look directly at that statement.

Don't treat other people badly because people bear grudges and everybody grudging on everybody else is bad.

If everybody treats each other right, they can all band together against the minority that try to treat them badly, and the number of people being treated badly is minimised.

Thus, the probability that you will be treated badly is minimised, and so is the probability that those you care about will be.

>>2951296
I think it is a thought with a good intention, but some consequences of it aren´t good. For example if you want that others kill you, then you can kill others untill the police kills you.

>>2951967
It's not obvious that treating others well minimizes your probability of being treated badly in practice.

>>2951306
Doesn't necesary imply karma
If I fuck my friend sister and i kinda want to even if I know he would get angry , he could do a revenge at me by kicking my ass or fucking my sister. So its better to not to fuck his sister and avoid the bad deeds we could commit at eachother

>>2951296
Society would fall apart if people weren't considerate for each other.

mutual empathy is the best way forward for a just and verdant world

>>2952193
Society won't fall apart if I behave badly to my advantage.

>>2952202
It would if everybody started acting like you.

>>2952211
But they won't.

>>2951361
This.

>>2952212
What's stopping them, aside from the Golden Rule? You're practicing a strangely short-sighted view of morality.

>>2952218
I don't know what' stopping them.
I don't see how golden rule is convincing on individual level.

under fear that they do onto you

>>2951306
then we will invent it for your sake

>>2951473
hindsight 20/20

>>2951296
I stone every faggot and should I ever turn gay I wish to be stoned in return.

What now? Am I being morally good?

>>2952229
the fear of consequences is stopping them

Alternately, you can treat people well to increase your social links, not only will that allow you to gain people that will help you survive (give food when starving, shelter when in dire straits, protect you against threats by numbers, etc), but also increase the number of suitable mates that you can choose from.

there's an evolutionary imperative in not treating people like shit

minimize enemies; maximize friends

>>2951296
Because I'll kick your ass if you don't, nerd

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>>2951344
>defending this

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>>2951344
>>2952681

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>>2951344
>>2952681
>>2952684

>>2952681
>>2952684
>>2952698
Actually,I'm celebrating it

>>2951296
>But why?

Being nice to others feels nice.

Being nice to others encourages them to be nice to us.

Being nice to others presents us in a favorable light to potential partners.

Being nice to others cultivates our inner virtue.

Being nice to others is necessary to avoid being thrown into a fiery pit by your loving "father".

Take your pick. Also I prefer the Silver Rule:
>Do not do to others anything that you would find hateful were it to be done to you

>>2952681
>>2952684
>>2952698
dindu nuffin

>>2952174
Or you could fuck each other's sister and become real bros.

What about a sadist in a relationship with a masochist?
The sadist doesn't want the things he does to the masochist to be done to him, but the masochist does want it.

>>2952767

They both want the same thing: Sexual release. The specific differ but they share a common goal they can "do unto" one another.

>>2951296
I'm more concerned with how this is supposed to mesh with "One man's meat is another man's poison."

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>>2952884
one mans meat can be another another mans dildo

>>2951318
>without imposing upon one another
Why does this childish garbage get touted in every thread?

>>2951603
You also have to repent, or else rapture will mean an eternity of punishment for you.

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>do unto others as you would have them do unto you
I have a feltish where I like to take a nail gun and shoot it into my ass cheeks. therefore it is moral to shoot other people in the ass with a nail gun.

>>2953026

it's assumed that normal people are deciding how they themselves would wish to be treated by strangers

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>>2951296

Because when you live by the Golden Rule you make life on Earth more like Heaven; and when you don't you make it more like Hell.

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>>2953045
still though, logically sound, and applies 100% to the maxim, no?

or is it not to be taken as a universal?

>>2953089
Rather rule in hell.

>>2953164

until you get your shit pushed in by satan

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>>2953164

There are people who would rather have everyone suffer, burn and live in agony- so long as they're in charge...

>When you're not sure whether to laugh from the sheer insanity of it, or break down crying.

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>do unto others as they would do unto you

>>2952681
>>2952684
>>2952698
I don't get how the bodies are burnt to a crisp but the clothes they were wearing are still intact. How does that work?

>>2953403
So if I buttfuck myself with a dragondildo to massage my prostate gland, I should do it to you too right?

>>2953281
which life would you be prouder of living: the dictator of some shithole who doesnt even have the means to live in luxury but works constantly to protect his country from western imperialists or that of a heroine addict living in a contant state of boring pleasure?

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>>2953436
Is that a promise?

>>2953415
The heat radiating off of the constant fires made ordinary places outside the flames hot enough to kill off people, yet not warm enough to make materials combust.

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>>2953164
>he thinks he'll rule in hell

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>>2953757

>How dumb would you have to believe in something like that?

>>2953436
no, that would be doing unto others as you do unto yourself

>>2953450
which one of those is "ruling in hell" through? the dictator isn't ruling because he's reacting against a more powerful entity and sacrificing himself for the sake of his nation whereas the heroine addict is beholden to nothing but his own appetite.

>>2951469
I love myself above all others even though I've done nothing to deserve it.

>>2951296
Because otherwise you're a hypocrite.

>>2954112
How? Does smashing bugs but not wanting to be smashed make you a hypocrite?

>>2953955
that's also a virtue isn't it?

>>2951934
Any selfish person truly looking to establish personal connections solely for their own benefit would be smart enough not to say that they "do what they can get away with doing." It comes off as overtly selfish and maybe even reckless, so even if you choose to ACT in such a way it would at least be more beneficial to lie and SAY that you "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" because it sounds more attractive and benevolent to the average person.

It still doesn't make much sense to stop at only doing "what you can get away with." In situations where you're not burdened by the act of helping others, I don't see why you wouldn't choose to do so. The reason is simply because goodness is good and better than no good at all when both can be possible outcomes with the same effort.

>ctrl-f "Kant"
>0 results

pseud thread

>>2954207
To add to the last bit, the reason is because I would rather be surrounded by happy people, because they might be more likely to advance conversation or discussion in something productive, i.e. provide potential knowledge and benefit for you

The opposite case is when people around you sit and complain about everything all the time, i.e. doing nothing for your potential gain.

>>2951336
>question was answered
>i will ask why again, like that makes any sense

Old anti s&m culture jive probably

>>2954205
No.

>>2954205
also no, others do not necessarily want done unto them that which you do unto yourself, herein lies the problem

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>>2951296
Because law is the best alignment, chaospleb.

>>2952681
>>2952684
>>2952698
DO IT AGAIN, B-BOY HARRIS

>>2951296
Source on pic?

>>2954805
>I need someone to tell me what to do

>>2952174
If your friend can't except that his sister can have sex with whoever she wants that's his issue not yours.

>>2955044
>I live in a vacuum, enlightened by my own intelligence.

>>2955286
How would you know?

>>2951297
Because if you don't they might beat the shit out of you for being rude.
Then there's the possibility of revenge from that person's family or friends. Then the there's repercussions from the local authorities if whatever happens escalates that far.
So why not be polite? It costs nothing and could pay off nicely.

>>2955480
>It costs nothing

>>2951296
Karma
Morality
Seeing yourself as them

>>2954805
This chart is shit.
>>2951296
So that they'll do it unto you. Its called "reciprocity" and its the foundation of society as a concept.

>>2952174

That's actually what karma means

>>2955509
Me giving a homeless man food does not noticibly increase the odds I will be given food if I am homeless a couple years later.
Likewise stealing from an old lady isn't going to make it more likely I get stolen from at least not in any meaningful way.

>>2955484
Same concept as everyone having a gun in their pocket.

>>2955522
There is an opportunity cost to following the golden rule.

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>>2955517
Not individually it doesn't, but that kind of thinking leads to the destruction of the system.

On an individual scale, reciprocity is the basis of most social interactions and exchanges. We help others so that they, in the future, will help us.

On a larger scale, your logic applies, but the fact of the matter is that if your thinking was universalized the system would collapse. So the question then becomes, will you pay into the system, or try and game the system.

Thus we have set punishments for those who would game the system, as additional incentive not to do so. Beyond even that however, it feeds my ego to not game the system. To be known as virtuous, and to know myself as righteous. It feeds my self-concept.

That alone provides additional incentive to pay in rather then to game it.

>>2955527
>will you pay into the system, or try and game the system.
The latter obviously.

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>>2955528
Then I'll answer you the same way men like me have always answered men like you. I'll call you a vagrant, a parasite, a scoundrel, a dog, and I'll call myself righteous, noble, virtuous, a friend to the widow and fatherless.

I will tell myself God/the gods are on my side, and if you game the system too hard I will kill you.

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>>2955527
>but that kind of thinking leads to the destruction of the system.

>>2955534
It does. Society is a web of reciprocal relationships and behavioral patterns, a system of nonaggression pacts and mutual benevolence of those within the group.

However it is technically possible to benefit from others benevolence while contributing none of your own, and to give nothing but take everything. And, barring punishments, there would be no recompense for choosing this path over the path of reciprocity.

However, if everyone took the former path society would crumble.

Reciprocity, and not altruism, is the core foundation of society, the principle upon which it is possible.

"Do unto others SO THAT they shall do unto you" is the whole of the Law.

>>2955537
*ideally

>>2955559
Granted, parasites and vagrants exist. That doesn't change the fact that society is based on that principle, and the reason you should "do unto others" is primarily so that they'll do it unto to you in return.

>>2955568
They do?

>>2955569
Yes anon. They do.

>>2955573
You're not one of them, are you?

>>2955577
I am not.

>>2955582
What if i told you that we >>2955559
And >>2955569
Are the SAME person?

>>2955509
It's not a chart, just the truth.

>>2955582
>>2955509
Same person

>>2955616
And what if i told you that we >>2955307
And >>2955559
Are the SAME person?

>>2954128
Yes, but only if there are bugs smashing you

>>2955531
When is that pharaoh there going to reciprocate?

Society functions just fine with brutality and oppression. Any good in this universe ultimately relies on someone making a conscious effort and enforcing it at their own material expense, it doesn't arise out of necessity.

>>2951296
because I am a masochist

>>2955524
So you can't be an ass anytime you want without more immediate consequences in my suggested metaphor.
Okay.

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because you will be them.
life is forever , time is a loop.

>>2951296

because if you dont act your best towards others, or at least act with reciprocity and mutual respect, you better make sure youre one mean beast of a motherfucker, cunning and strong, else your life will be a miserable nightmare that intensifies with every decade past, as everione around you rejects you and your circle of people and opportunities shrinks till all youve got left is a few imbecils and sociopaths you can still fuck with, and you yourself will degenerate and become a pathetic and evil thing, regardles of how high you climb over how many corpses, which also only is a option if youre highly capable

because eventualy youll meet humans that genuinely live like that and can chew you up like a piece of gum and if you take the path of being a edgy asshole thats just what theyl do, with enjoyment, and you wont know what hit you, especialy since you wont have backup, since youre a edgy asshole and no one gives a fuck about you

because being is a werb and it manifests in a spiral, the direction can be upwards or downwards, and downwards is bad

>>2951469

this is a major problem i have with the gospels

it suspiciously looks like there was more to it, like that thetheoretical part had way more to do with somesort of spiritual practice and most of what the character of jesus says is targeted at 'adepts' as opposed to just random population

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>>2951296
I want a cute, late teens (age of consent) to early twenties trans gf who looks like girl in OP pic.

Does anybody know where I might find one?

I'm thinking maybe Iran?

The Islamic Republic of Iran is one of the most Red Pilled nations on the planet, no?

One of the very few countries left in the world (the others being North Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Eritrea, Syria, Venezuela, Belarus, Bolivia) that has not been swallowed up by the Great Satan's (USA) global capitalist empire.

And apparently, the Islamic Republic of Iran not only legalized and publicly subsidizes transgender operation/hormone pills since the fatwa of Imam Khomeini in the 1980's, but is one of the biggest funders of trans health initiatives in the world.

If not though, a cute cis gf who looks like that is fine. Where would I find a non-trans gf like OP pic?
>inb4 Nippon maymay
I feel like Japanese women IRL probably looks way different than manga Japanese women. But what do I know? I'm just a fat fuck NEET who needs a female to protect her smile as a last resort to motivate myself to get /fit/ and organize my life instead of OD'ing on benzos or blowing my brains out.

[spoiler]halp[/spoiler]

[spoiler]tfw khhv[/spoiler]

[spoiler]tfw no gf[/spoiler]

>>2955981
*needs a female so I can protect her smile

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>>2952681
>>2952684
>>2952698
You're literally making the argument he's mocking
>Well yeah we bombed your cities b-but you weren't supposed to bomb OUR cities back!

>>2953450
The devil doesnt rule hell

>>2955743
>it suspiciously looks like there was more to it

The Gospels have very few quotes from Jesus. He was preaching for 3 years straight though.

It's universially agreed that the Gospels are not eye-wittness accounts but a result of taking several other documents and selectively editing them to form a new document. There are also Gospels which did not make the cut into cannon such as Thomas. Interestingly enough Thomas consists exclusively of Jesus quotes and reads like a philosophical text. Some of them really break with tradition, Jesus teaches that heaven is a state of mind and is accessed without dying.

>>2951344
It's funny how the people who ended up on the wrong side of history always turn out to be the hotheads who didn't think of consequences.

Sherman:

“You people of the South don't know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about. War is a terrible thing! You mistake, too, the people of the North. They are a peaceable people but an earnest people, and they will fight, too. They are not going to let this country be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it [...] You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth - right at your doors. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with."

“If [the Confederates] want eternal war, well and good; we accept the issue, and will dispossess them and put our friends in their place. I know thousands and millions of good people who at simple notice would come to North Alabama and accept the elegant houses and plantations there. If the people of Huntsville think different, let them persist in war three years longer, and then they will not be consulted. Three years ago by a little reflection and patience they could have had a hundred years of peace and prosperity, but they preferred war; very well. Last year they could have saved their slaves, but now it is too late. All the powers of earth cannot restore to them their slaves, any more than their dead grandfathers. Next year their lands will be taken, for in war we can take them, and rightfully, too, and in another year they may beg in vain for their lives. A people who will persevere in war beyond a certain limit ought to know the consequences. Many, many peoples with less pertinacity have been wiped out of national existence.”

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>>2955123
its your issue once he wants to kick his ass. not the guy you replied to but following this line of thought:
>i buy drugs from a dealer
>my girlfriend says that she doesnt want me to do drugs and will leave me if i do
>i buy them
>"anon how could you?? we're finished"
>if you cant accept that my dealer can sell coke to whoever he wants then thats your problem not mine

>except your bought the drugs
(you chose to fuck his sister)
>except you dont have a grillfriend now
(your friend beats ur ass and now you dont have a friend)
>if the police cant accept that this guys sister can get raped by anon then that's their problem not mine

>>2951296

If everyone follows up, then everyone dies or everyone lives.

>>2957444
No.

>>2951296
Nice thread Kai

I don't owe anyone a goddamn fucking thing

>>2957490
Uh you owe me a explanation for that response, Mr. Man

>>2951394
But this has no evidence in this situation

Does the reverse work? "As others have done unto me, I shall do unto them?" If not, why not?

>>2957509
Dead.

>>2957507
I've gotten my ass kicked less than i think i deserved.

>>2951296
From a religious standpoint it is a major component in all major religions that is commanded by God or gods or even ancestral spirits.

From an economic model it often creates a higher system value, which statistically benefits you. This applies in multiple models. Your action can count as an additional positive transaction to increases the flow, see Keynesian based model for large scale multiplier effects. Or if you follow Hayek then your perceived action created more value at a lower cost to the common resource base, so you saved the system money through a value efficient action.

From multiple governance models it is valued. Even from a corrupt warlord governance model it pays to be known as the "nice guy", in either case of public revolt or the Warlord needs a new person to his high council.

Over the years of studying systems I have found this to be a stabilizing beneficial rule in ALL cases. Which honestly is kind of creepy in that I am huge pessimist and such a diverse systems set should not have such a high R value for one static rule in so many cases. It just weird, but true.

because its a fucking nice thing to do

>>2957676
I think they meant more why would someone imply the golden rule

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>>2956026
because calm people are better at planning to win

>>2955123
are you a woman ?

it's wrong to fuck your friend's sister because you degraded one of his close family members
so by association you degraded your friend

>>2955515
That's not what karma means at all, that's called "consequences"

>>2951296
The Martyr made podcast has a really good section on weird religious rules like why a man has to take a woman as his wife


One of the posters above mentioned fucking someone's sister and getting their shit kicked in for it. Imagine now you're in a tribal setting with no higher power to mediate/resolve conflicts. Now imagine in such a situation that the lowest common denominator of your tribe decided to go rape a woman because he's fucking retarded.

Obviously there's no prison or court. If your woman gets raped you have to retaliate or else you signal to other powers that you aren't protective of your own kind. This is how power dynamics work in any anarchical system, but especially so in a tribal setting. So the the other tribe decides to get even and they kill the retard in your tribe for raping that woman.

Although they were seemingly justified in doing so, you also can't let one of your own freely get killed without again showing a failure to protect those within your group. So this escalates further and further until full on war happens and allies are being called in


Now imagine if you had a religion and they had a rule that said "women cannot go around without a family male or her husband." Suddenly Saudi's retarded laws make sense in the absence of government. Obviously this doesn't justify it happening in Saudi because obviously they're a fucking government but hopefully that makes sense


The martyr made podcast was originally using it to explain why one's word mattered so much in Arabian society back in the 1910/1920s. I believe the source is episode 3 of the Fear and Loathing in New Jerusalem podcast

>>2952756
>Being nice to others presents us in a favorable light to potential partners.
so why do girls like assholes

>>2955981
With all due respect, anon, kys.

Social contract so we don't constantly have to watch out backs.

>>2960400
Because you think assholes exist?

>>2951296
Read "Torso" by Ivo Andric.

>>2960813
Can't find it.

>>2960455
/thread

>>2960455
But why should *I* follow it?

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

>>2961045
Ah, jesus, the panzy.

>>2960400
Bad character judgment.

>>2958887

But that's exactly what karma is. The word literally means action and refers the consequences that arise from any action. The karma of eating shit food is a stomache ache. The karma of treating someone badly is them treating you badly in response. I suggest you study the term before replying it's is about cosmic justice or some shit.

Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

>>2961208
Interpreting the op differently

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>>2954217
>namedrops popular philosophers with no followup
>does not realize there are people arguing a Kantian position in the thread
>calls people pseuds

>>2961183
That's what an imbecile's pop-culture understanding of what karma is.

Karma is the accumulation of positive and negative actions that affect your reincarnation or escape from Samara after you die. By definition it has no immediate consequences to the living.

>>2952926
I really hope that comes true one day, god I cant wait to become a trap, and i'm not even trans

>>2951296
>dab unto others
>dab unto you
ftfy

>>2961890

I would recommend you read some actual buddhist texts to realise how incorrect your understanding of these concepts are

>>2960996
I will give you a quick rundown.
There was a fryar who was a clock maker. He also made weapons. He got a task to repair the clock on the tower in Syria. In the tower he met a slave who told him a story about the owner of the fortress, Celeby Hafiz.
In this story there was a turkish psycho sadist called Celeby Hafiz who brutally murdered everyone in a small Syrian town, except one person, the woman he fell in love to. He was so brutal when people heard that he is coming, they will run away as quickly as possible from the town. He brought her in the harem. Later he got tricked by her. She freed the slaves and the slaves were causing havoc. She tied Celeby on the tree and slaves took out his limbs away. That Syrian woman tortured Celeby with a burn stick thingy and when the Ceyeby's and his horsemen came, she rammed that burn stick to Celeby's face, deforming it completely.
Now he can only move his head up and down just hear the bong and feel the wind.

>>2962735
In context, if you brutally hurt someone, someone other will hurt you the same way, or even worse.

>>2962694
Not only in Buddhist theology, that's also how it's colloquially used in Buddhist-influenced cultures (Japan, China...)
The very common proverb "the karma of the father is visited upon his son" (親の因果が子に報う) is supposed to mean "please think of your children who will have to suffer the consequences of your actions". It's actually a secular proverb (and may have been influenced by the biblical equivalent, but note how they reinterpreted that)

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>>2951296

So how does this rule apply for masochists or people who would readily accept behaviour done to them that most people would not want done to their own person?

>>2962777
More a matter of wanting at that point. Like 2 people want something for Christmas, but not the same thing so they give each other different things they would like.