Yugoslav Wars

>>2951103

Yes, if NATO had not initiated a weapons trade embargo, the Bosniaks would have been able to fight back more effectively and the S*rbs in Bosnia and Herzegovina could have been wiped out.

>>2951103
If it wasn't for western meddling with the whole weapons embargo where croatians had to smuggle weapons and fight against the 4th largest terrestrial army in europe using police forces in the early stages of the war, we'd burn fucking belgrade down.

The NATO did absolutely jack shit in bosnia and croatia.

>>2951137
We can change that brother. We can drive the barbarians out, once and for all.

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>>2951162
>Ustaše and muzzies still thinking they can defeat Serb

I know jackshit about this conflict aside it being about a bunch of ethnicities chimping out on each other. Who was truly in the wrong here?

>>2951196

Serbs. The other nations wanted to pursue their own self-determination, the Serbs refused and started genociding and ethnic cleansing the other nations.

Is it true that Bosnia as a Muslim state had no historical basis before the yugo wars?

>>2951222

Bosnia is not and has never been a Muslim state. Sure, they're nominally "muslims", but in fact Bosniaks are almost completely irreligious. Bosnian muslims drink heavily and most of them have little or no knowledge of their religion.

>>2951103
There's already a thread about this. And there were two threads about this yesterday.
>differently
Yes.
>krajina
I think not, there would have been a compromise there, Slobo and Franjo made a deal.
>bosnia
Absolutely
>same
No, without international pressure the war in Bosnia would have been over much sooner, and Bosnia would have been split between Serbia and Croatia.
Now, whether Krajina would have the same fate is a tricky question. Mostly because Milosevic wanted it to fall, he's a heartless bastard who wants to move people like pieces on a chess board, and he needed people who support him in a different geographic location that's not so far away.
It would either fall, or be autonomous, with some areas that are not key to Croatia's infrastructure network given to Bosnia (Srpska) and Vojvodina.
>nigger mountain
The secession sentiment started because of the NATO bombing and because the president made a deal with the eternal (((sea jews)))
>kosovo
Considering that the KLA was completely driven out, and failed to make a breakthrough back in with six times as many soldiers and with NATO air support. And that they got BTFO in Presevo and Macedonia after.
I don't think they stood a chance. NATO forced the war to end by economic damage at home, while Serbs were winning on the battlefield. The campaign itself was designed to make the lives of civilians so miserable they force the government to capitulate.
>>2951231
Their faith is the only thing that separates them from Croats and Serbs. Not being devout is not the same thing as irreligious.

>>2951137
>burn Belgrade down
>being this deluded

Belgrade had an 11% response rate to mobilization. How much are you willing to bet that would change if Serbia proper was attacked?

Same with Croatia - you were tough as fuck when Croatia was being attacked, but you accomplished jack shit in Bosnia.

Shockingly, people are far more willing to fight for survival than conquest.

>>2951196
Everyone, but mostly Serbs. It all depends on whether or not you think it's legitimate for a state to defend its territory from secessionists (like the US did in the Civil War).

Slovenia and Croatia unilaterally seceded, the Yugoslav (at this point mostly Serb) leadership said we won't let you, the Croats said bring it, the Yugoslav National Army brought it.

Only they brought it too hard and chimped out against Croats (Bosnia was a bit more complicated as it was more of a proxy war than a direct one, remnant Yugoslavia was never officially at war with Bosnia IIRC).

I don't buy the self-determination narrative though, because there were close to 300,000 Serb living in Croatia who did not want to be part of an Independent Croatia. If you were so concerned with self-determination, let them secede back to Yugoslavia. But Tudjman never seriously entertained this option.

Had he done so, war might have been avoided. Look at Slovenia and Macedonia, seceded basically without issue because there were close to no Serbs there for the federal government to give a crap about.

>>2951196
Its a clash of civilizations. Serbs are Eastern, Croatians are Western, and Bosniaks are Muslamic

>>2951583
I'm just memeing, I'm well aware that the average serb in serbia wasn't all that cracked up about the war. The whole thing was just about those subhuman vlachs chimping out.

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>>2951295
>being irreligious is not the same as being irreligious

>>2951231
This is true in my experience. My best friend in middle school was a Bosnian Muslim (dad fought in the Bosnian War and he spent the first ten years of his life there), and he quickly turned into a hard-drinking partier in high school and college largely indistinguishable from any other American dudebro.

>>2951231
That's not my question though.

>>2951666
Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence, both Bosnians I know fast, and the girl wears a veil

>>2951590
>Everyone, but mostly Serbs. It all depends on whether or not you think it's legitimate for a state to defend its territory from secessionists (like the US did in the Civil War).
The Yugoslav constitution of 1974 declared Yugoslavia a federation of nations in free association who had full sovereignty. Among the basic principles as outlined in the preface are the rights of al nations to freely choose and form political systems and the right to self-determination and national sovereignty. Slovenia and Croatia had full legitimacy in declaring independence.

>>2951295
>Their faith is the only thing that separates them from Croats and Serbs. Not being devout is not the same thing as irreligious.

Nonsense, Bosniaks have had a separate identity for over a thousand years. Yes today the religion is part of that, but the Serbs and Croats are no more alike for both being "christians", let alone the Croats and Slovenes who share the same denomination.

>>2951983

Bosnia is a medieval state, and Bosniak is as much an organic ethnic identity as Serb or Croat.

>>2951192
they were under the heels of the ottomans for nearly half a millennia lmao.
>>2951196
bosnian and serb scum mainly

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my father went to omarska as a young man which was a concentration camp in bosnia in the 90s

>>2951103
Croat master race.

>>2951231
>Bosnia is not and has never been a Muslim state.
Indeed, B-H is only about 40% Mohammedan anyway, the rest being Latins and Christians.

(Sorry, the last bit was a meme.)

>>2953071
Why is the photographer standing inside a fenced area?

>>2953091
Istra Slovenksa, well in the summer

>>2951983
>Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence, both Bosnians I know fast, and the girl wears a veil

My friend's mom wore a veil and he fasted when necessary. It still didn't stop him from drinking frequently or otherwise ignoring his religion on every day but holidays, like the average Catholic.

>>2951200
>Croatia readopts a flag associated with ethnic cleansing and concentration camps
>just wanted to pursue their own self-determination

I liked the robbery scene in the movie even though now it think the movie blended in elements of the Soviet collapse as well for pushing the communism sucks propaganda.

>>2953029
>national identity
>thousand years
Quit memeing, national identities became prominent during the enlightenment, before that you just have ethnicity, and ethnically before islam they're indistinguishable.

>>2953683
Psy-ops campaign to fool liberals into agreeing to go to war with a small socialist Eastern European nation.