Islam

>>2949221
god doesn't exist

>>2949221
no pork no beer

as I recall they chop off part of your dick, you're not allowed to drink any alcohol, enjoy pork, treat a woman like a human being, not blow yourself up, not dress like a bum, etc.

then there's the whole signing over your will to a gang of paedophiles and foreigners

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>>2949224
In Islam God is identical with the Truth is identical with Reality as such. Denying Allah = denying that there is an absolute Truth. That's cool though if you want to deny an absolute Truth.

You should practice a religion you have cultural ties with.

>>2949234
This.

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>>2949231
>as I recall they chop off part of your dick
mine is already chopped off :(
>no drinking alcohol, eating pork
it's a price to pay, but not too heavy a price
>don't treat women like a human being
how so?
>blow yourself up
haram
>dress like a bum
????

>>2949234
>>2949240
why?

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I mean if you believe in Allah and find comfort in that i say go for it. Not like it's my business.

>>2949244

>haram
>every other week some dunie is blowing himself up to murder hundreds of people

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>>2949263
killing the gays is a plus if you ask me

>>2949263
those are deviants who i do not agree with

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>>2949221
The Quran literally debunks itself.

Do you believe in the subjugation of your individual free will to that of religious elders? Do you consider shariah states to be appealing?

>>2949266

you dont have to agree with them, but they are just following their faith dude. islam puts little value on individual life.

>hardest mode: no quoting the Koran

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>>2949221
Convert OP, islam is the only escape from degeneracy. God will guide your way inchallah.

>>2949228
>b-b-but muh bacon and ethanol
Enjoy being a fat fuck

>>2949231
>b-but muh feminism
Enjoy being the 10th bedmate of your wife and risking unknowingly raising the children of the milkman buddy.

>>2949234
>1438
>chosing to stay a shirkfag for the sake of muh cultural ties

>>2949294

t. resident of carbomya

>>2949270
that's a very simplistic reading, you have to cross reference different parts of the quran with one another to get the full picture
>>2949282
everyone's will is subjugated to something. i would rather have my will subjugated to a tradition i can rationally approve of than have it subjugated to whims and inclinations (i.e. hedonism)
>>2949287
every religion has deviants who claim to follow their faith

>>2949221
Because you're already a filthy mudslime.

Not eating pork is a good policy in general. It's by the far the least healthy meat, also way too similar to human flesh.

>>2949270
Except they consider the Bible to be a retelling, and thus prone to flaws, while the Quran is a verbatim transcription of God's commands to Mohammed.

>>2949287
>but they are just following their faith dude
Technically they are going above and beyond mere faith and have adopted an ideology with a lot of political and social goals and theories.

>>2949294
>Enjoy being the 10th bedmate of your wife
OP here, islam doesn't forbid divorce and remarriage so technically you could be the 10th bedmate of your wife and it would still be halal...or am i mistaken here?

>>2949298
>a tradition i can rationally approve of

go on then, rationalise islam for us

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>>2949311
I could recommend you some books if you like, but I made this thread in order to hear some objections. So if anything I would like to hear why you disapprove of Islam, if you don't mind sharing.

>>2949309
>adopted an ideology with a lot of political and social goals and theories
Islam has social and political goals. But those goals don't include murder of innocents.

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>>2949310
It can happen but it's not the norm.

>>2949362
still, i wouldn't object to a woman having had previous partners if it was through marriage. both men and women are entitled to seek the companionship of the opposite sex, which is a natural human need, as long as it is done through legitimate means

Because you're a faggot, and you'd be thrown off a roof

>>2949221
Its gay

>>2949347

So no, you cannot rationalise it.

>>2949525
>thanks anon, I would like some book recommendations
sure no prob:
- Understanding Islam by Firthjof Schuon
- East and West by Rene Guenon
- Crisis of the Modern World by Rene Guenon
- Islam: Ideals and Realities by Sayed Hossein Nasr
- Introduction to Islam by Mohammed Hamidullah
- Muhammed (biography) by Martin Lings

>>2949545
Also check out some lectures by:
- Hamza Yusuf
- Abdal Hakim Murad
- Seyyed Hossein Nasr
- Jonathan AC Brown

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>>2949233
>It's an absolute truth because if you deny it you're denying an absolute truth
>god is real because god is reality
uhhhhh

>>2949575
it's not circular logic, i'm defining the term "God. The definition of God, as explicitly stated in the Quran, is Truth.

>>2949575
>>2949233

It's also nonsense. Muslims adopted Greek philosophy just like Christians did, this idea of Allah being in some way identical to Truth and The Good is pure Greek, nothing Mohemmed (piss be upon him) ever said.

>>2949233
allah is Hubal, the Ba'al of the moabites, the pagan god of Mohammad's father.

>>2949587
Alright, then there is no supermaterial entity that controls the universe.

>>2949587
And like everything else in the quran, it is false.

The definition of God is Creator, the One Who made the universe.

allah did not make the universe; he was an angel who rebelled against God and fell to earth, to lie, steal and murder as many people as he can before he is cast into the lake of fire.

allah is satan, and you're doing what satan wants you to do. Worship the devil as though he were God.

"I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life; no man comes to the Father but by Me."

--Jesus of Nazareth, aka the Truth, and the creator of shaitan/allah

>>2949221
do you really wanna fuck your cousins?

>>2949607
that god isn't real either tqhwy

>>2949545
>>2949562

You'd be far better off reading about people who escaped the death cult of Islam, people like Walid Shoebat and Nabeel Qureshi.

>>2949619
Then nothing is real and you do not exist, as nothing has within itself the reason for its own creation.

>>2949597
>nothing Mohemmed ever said.
it's explicitly stated in the Quran...over and over again
>>2949603
>there is no supermaterial entity
You think all existing things fall under the poorly defined pseudo-category "material"? Not even talking about God here, just in general. Try defining what you mean by "material" because that's a notoriously vague and poorly defined term.

>>2949497
It is indeed halal as long as there is a mariage.

>>2949630
There is no way to prove that Mohammad said anything that is recorded in the quran, as it was written posthumously.

>>2949623
Things don't need a reason for their creation to exist, just a cause.

>>2949602
>>2949607
i'm not gonna dignify this autism with an actual response
>>2949621
>Nabeel Qureshi
I've watched his vids and debates and I wasn't impressed

>>2949234
Does anyone actually believe this? I almost took this bait desu

>>2949287
I support ISIS and even I think suicide bombings are haram

>>2949636
>There is no way to prove that Mohammad said anything that is recorded in the quran, as it was written posthumously.
There are degrees to which something can be taken to be proven. Obviously the strongest degree would be to actually be there and see it with your own eyes. The evidence that he dictate it (he was illiterate and couldn't read/write) is strong.

>>2949282
>shariah states

Name one. Protip: they don't exist

>>2949641
And nothing carries within itself the cause of its own existence.

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>>2949621

>>2949221
Quran, the supposed literal Word of God, claims that sperm comes from the kidneys.

https://quran.com/86/5-7

>>2949644
He made it to heaven, and you're going to hell.

I think in the end he's more impressive.

>>2949651
>I support ISIS
Why? Doesn't it bother you that they murder innocent Muslims, as well as some non-Muslims (most victims are Muslim).

>>2949653
He could not dictate it if he was dead.

And he was dead when it was written.

>>2949662
Nope. One was a PLO terrorist who discovered how evil Islam is, and the other was a medical student who told of his journey in "Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus".

Shoebat was constantly wondering why the God of the bible loved Jews, but allah hated Jews.

Why the God of the bible was Love, but allah was a trickster, a deceiver, a plotter and a planner. Why would God be such things?

>>2949664
And has at least a half dozen different stories for how mankind was created, most of them mutually exclusive.

>>2949669
People memorized it, and wrote parts of it down even in his own lifetime. It's a notoriously easy book to memorize.

>>2949545

Those arent rational reasons, thats a list of books

I asked for your rational reasons for adopting Islam.

>>2949682
It's not written in the same arrangement as it was memorized, and more than one version was made. Abu Bakr picked one, destroyed the rest, and killed anyone who questioned his decision.

Abrogated verses mean that it was not perfect, not even true, but amended later by later "revelations".

And of course the satanic verses are in it.

Why could Mohammad figure out it was satan in the cave and want to commit suicide over it, but you can't?

>>2949621
>Walid Shoebat
>was a PLO terrorist

Top kek, did you actually fell for his story? No wonder you are too stupid too accept Islam as the one true religion

>>2949695
Oops, meant for this post: >>2949675

>>2949693
>destroyed the rest
That's logistically impossible in an Empire of that size, nice fantasy. Opposing sects in Islam all use the same Quran today in different parts of the world.
>Abrogated verses
Have you ever looked up the Islamic understanding of abrogation?
>>2949693
>satanic verses
>hard mode: no quoting random hadith

>>2949695
Yes, I find confessions quite believable.

For the record, my name is Walid Shoebat. I used to be a radicalized Muslim willing to die for the cause of Jihad until I converted to Christianity in 1994. As a member of the PLO I was involved in terror activity, and was imprisoned in Jerusalem for three weeks. In prison, I was recruited to plant a bomb in Bethlehem as a result of which, thank God, no one was injured. My mother was an American and my father a Palestinian Arab. My parents sent me in 1978 to the United States to study at Loop College in Chicago Illinois. There I was recruited at a hotel “Terror Conference” by Jamal Said, a founder of the IAP (Islamic Association of Palestine) and Imam at one of the largest mosques in Chicago.

>>2949706
What empire? It was only three guys who had memorized what would become the quran, and they were all gathered together after the fourth was killed in battle.

>>2949706
There's a fatwa on Salmon Rushdie's head to this day for writing about the satanic verses.

Not to mention the dozens of scientific errors in the quran, mentioned above one citing that semen comes from the ribcage, and that babies are made from a clot of blood.

There's a reason Islam has to be spread by the sword by violent inbred retarded people. It doesn't stand on its own.

>>2949665
>christcuck fear mongering boogieman

>>2949710
>What empire? It was only three guys who had memorized what would become the quran
you've lost me, bro. What are you referring to?

>>2949707
Does this guy know that there are plenty of Christians in PLO? He didn't even try when he made up this story.

islam is quite literally arabic paganism rebranded into monotheism as this was the only way mohammed could see to unite them. the 99 names of allah are all unique and independent gods, and doesnt the quran say that monsters and devils still walk the earth?

No music, no pictures, no statues... it produces no art and destroys all native art where it takes root.

>>2949717
>Not to mention the dozens of scientific errors in the quran, mentioned above one citing that semen comes from the ribcage, and that babies are made from a clot of blood.
weren't these misguided beliefs in an era where understanding of human biology wasn't good at all? I see it no different than people who believed the earth was flat or hell, god creating the universe.

>There's a reason Islam has to be spread by the sword by violent inbred retarded people. It doesn't stand on its own.
some places like egypt and syria didn't undergo violent conquest. In fact, MENA wouldn't become fully muslim until well into the middle ages and early modern period. people mainly converted as a way to escape taxes and gain privileges only consumed by the muslim elite. And then you have central and east asia which muslim armies hardly penetrated into and was spread mostly through trade.

>>2949233
This is pantheism and quite shirk you kaffir.

You want to basically be a cocksucking hippie, don't need the shahada for that.

>>2949762
>This is pantheism
How is that pantheism? That's practically a verbatim quote from the Quran lmao...have you never read the Quran?

>>2949362
> people who aren't monogamous are less likely to be monogamous

Mind blown

>>2949675
Probably like 80% of the Old Testament and 100% of the new God hates jews too.

>>2949233
maybe im just the first idiot dumb enough to be baited, but there is most certainly no such thing as an absolute truth, and if there were, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been found by some unwashed paedophile in the desert.

>>2949790
>it wouldn't have been found by some unwashed paedophile in the desert.
It wasn't found by him, It found him. And he wasn't the first, there were thousands before him. As for there not being an "absolute truth", that's a fair argument if you can substantiate it. I personally think it's an incoherent view. You can't even have relative truth without absolute truth.

>>2949756
The quran is literally a recitation of gods words, it should contain no errors.

>>2949810
> substantiate lack of absolute truth

Burden of proof is on you, buddy

There is no truth without proof, otherwise you're just dealing with bullshit.

And the only way to prove anything beyond reasonable doubt is through mathematical certainty, which is bound by the laws of physics and math, hence a truth relative to our understanding of these concepts.

Ergo, there is nothing beyond relative truth.

>>2949815
those verse can be interpreted in many ways
https://islamqa.info/en/118879

it's not entirely clear what is meant there

>>2949221
Theistic religions are not based on fact, or are empirically verifiable. You're wasting your time and brainpower that could be better spent on almost anything else.

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>>2949221

> reasons why I shouldn't convert to Islam.
there aren't, Kafir.
convert now , because judgement day is coming .

Don't fall for the "people of the Book"meme. Jews and Christians are just as marked for hell-fire as any other non-believer

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>>2949621
> Walid Shoebat
the guy literally caught scamming people for donations and using it for personal wealth

fine example you got there

>>2949828
>There is no truth without proof
>hence a truth relative to our understanding of these concepts.
dude wat, have you even studied philosophy at a basic level? this is barely coherent.
>mathematical certainty, which is bound by the laws of physics and math

>>2949221
Because the God of the Israelites was developed instead of having been.

>>2949853
I haven't studied one bit of philosophy, but I fail to see how that disqualifies me.

Please explain which parts of my argument you found incoherent - in detail.

>>2949840
Cute LARPing Johnny

>>2949621
Using Qureshi is entry level bait. He was an Ahmadi before and they're not even Muslim to begin with.

>>2949874
>>2949828
>There is no truth without proof
Self-contradicting statement since the statement "There is no truth without proof" itself has no proof to substantiate it and therefore cannot be taken to be true.
>And the only way to prove anything beyond reasonable doubt is through mathematical certainty
Neither philosophy nor science works that way. Are you sure you understand the role of math in scientific inquiry, and the relation between the two?
>which is bound by the laws of physics and math, hence a truth relative to our understanding of these concepts.
I have no idea what you are saying here, this is just not coherent.

You ought to familiarize yourself with some basic philosophy and with philosophy of science.

>>2949928
> self-contradicting, has no proof

It is easily proven: Give me an example of a truth that needs no proof.

The rest of your argument is just elitism, I have no time for that.

>>2949653
You must be literally retarded. Please kill yourself, you'd be a sure pick for suicide bomber duty.

>Give me some good reason why I should raise another man's child.
If we have to give you a reason, you are already hopeless.

>>2949756
>Egypt
>Syria

They absolutely did almost entirely throughout their history as nations, please kill yourself for being such a fucking moron.

>>2950019
Context motherfucker. The Islamic conquests were not violent in Egypt and Syria.

>>2950040
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Heliopolis

> Casualties
> Unknown, but virtually the entire Byzantine force was killed or captured
> Non-violent

I know, Wikipedia, but feel free to correct me.

>>2949221
The special claim that the Koran is the literal word of God means you have a highly fissile religion that seeks to bring about the end of history through force.

>>2950059
Citizens were hardly killed during the conquest.

>>2950077
> hardly

moving the goalposts, I see

Besides, still violent.

>>2950069
>highly fissile religion
What do you mean?
>seeks to bring about the end of history through force.
I don't see how that follows.

>>2950093
> highly fissile
He's using a metaphor to portray Islam as violent
> end of history through force
Certain Islamic cults believe that the end times will occur when all religions of Islam have been purged.

>>2950127
> of
But*

>>2950127
>Certain Islamic cults
Any idea which ones or where they get this idea from? Is it justified Quranically? If so which passages?
>He's using a metaphor to portray Islam as violent
I don't understand the metaphor.

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I am not particularly anti-Islam but I do find religion in general to be fairly ridiculous as it stands. Probably has something to do with my autism and black & white perspective of the world.

Regardless, one of the most comical observations I have made (primarily from discussions on /r/islam) is no one within this religion can agree on fucking anything. The Quran was written and then everyone within the religion just interprets it however they see fit. This is the job of Islamic Scholars, to explain their interpretation to other Muslims. Naturally, there are many disagreements as even Islam is not immune to the special snowflake effect and frequent debates take place about things that normal people would find absolutely trivial (did you know music and toothpaste are haram? lol, i guess it depends which scholar you ask!)

It's just strange to me. Religion, which I can respect as perhaps an individual spiritual journey, does not seem to work the same way in islam. It's like they have to look to their neighbor to decide what to do or how to live their lives. Coming from someone who doesn't take religion seriously in the first place, Islam is nothing short of a literal joke in my eyes.

>>2950089
you brought up soldiers that were being killed which is expected of any battle. by violent I mean mass killings of civilians and destruction of buildings.

>>2950146
If you are Muslim and have read the hadiths, I assume you know this better than me. According to the superficial knowledge I can find on Google, they pertain to the coming of the Mahdi
> I dont understand the metaphor
Fissile=Nuclear=Dangerously unstable

>>2950158
I wasn't the original guy, so I don't really care, but honestly, you are so far from your original point that whatever is was has become meaningless.

If they had to fight for it, it was violent

>>2950155
>no one within this religion can agree on fucking anything

That's true for all religions.

>>2950155
Legal diversity is a part of Islam, within certain limits. The Quran only provides a general picture. It's up to mankind, or those members of mankind qualified to do so, to work out the details and apply them.

>>2950178
then why do (certain) Muslims feel the need to apply the Sharia in countries where it is clearly antiquated? Clearly, it has no place in countries where objectively more fair systems of justice are already in place

>>2950164
>If you are Muslim and have read the hadiths
I'm not
>According to the superficial knowledge I can find on Google
Let me know if you find a reputable source.

>>2950189
>where it is clearly antiquated
how is it antiquated?
>objectively more fair systems of justice
how are they objectively more fair?

>>2949655
Ever heard of Aceh?

>>2950093
>What do you mean?
As in as soon as Mohammad died you had the Sunni Shia split and Islam is particularly susceptible to splits since there's less room for interpretation.
>I don't see how that follows.
Islam is the final revelation. Since it is the final truth and it's prophet was a warrior it encourages implementing the unitarian regime of justice (sharia).

>>2950197
> how is it antiquated, how is it less fair
The most obvious example would be that the testimony of a woman carries less weight than that of a man in a sharia court

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>>2949221
Let's take a second to compare countries that are Muslim to countries that are Christian. Look at Saudi Arabia or Indonesia or Iran compared to Italy or Poland or any western European country (before they were invaded by migrants).
It's pretty easy to see that Islam is way behind the rest of the world. They're in the stone age living in third world slums and they behave like neanderthals. This is because of Islam. The middle-east doesn't have to be a remote desolate shithole. In the 60's/70's the middle-eastern countries were ruled by largely secular governments, yet after arab spring and many of them adopted Sharia law, they reversed 200 years in history. Even look at Israel. They fucking Jews were able to produce food and water exponentially faster than any of the Muslim country and they all have no idea how so they just get pissed off at them for being better and more successful.
Muslims are just dumber and incapable of progress. Islam is a ball and chain that preaches terror and violence and turns people into monkeys.

>>2949221
Well. What's important to you? What are you looking for?

>>2950210
>It's pretty easy to see that Islam is way behind the rest of the world. They're in the stone age living in third world slums and they behave like neanderthals.

But that's a good thing

>>2950224
How so?

>>2950236
Progress was a mistake. I believe we should embrace barbarism and savagery.

>>2950245
and you don't see the irony in typing that on a computer in a country no doubt governed by the rule of law?

>>2950245
Alright then, throw your computer out the window, take your clothes off, burn your house down and build yourself a nice little mud hut after you eat your entire family.

>>2950210
Pretty ironic that you're using a pic of Saur Afghanistan (which was overthrown by western backed mujahideen) as an example of why Islam is trash. That's victim blaming.

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>>2949946
>Expecting your interlocutor to understand the basic laws of logic
>Elitist

>>2950366
you're just rephrasing the same shitty copout, buddy

Back to the drawing board.

>>2950366
the fact that we can't come to an agreement on what truth even means only further substantiates my argument that it is a relative concept that cannot be absolute.

Thanks for playing

>>2949248
>>2949645

Because religion is about one thing: making your life feel significant beyond dry philosophy.
The only way it's able to do that is through tradition. Otherwise you're a pretender, and therefore, insignificant.

The only respectable way to live is be a nice atheist boy, or follow the correct bullshit religion your forefathers did. Hang up the ancient scriptures your grandfather believed in, sing the songs of your ancestors, live beyond your death by teaching your children the tradition.

>>2949298
>deviants who claim to follow their faith

The only difference between a "deviant" belief and a canonical one is the amount of survivors perpetuating it.

>>2949264
God I hate his fucking fat face

>>2949221
Everyone will think you are a violent person and kill you because of it.

Anyone have any objections that haven't been mentioned so far?

>>2949746
>no music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATnEM5YT1GM

>>2950703
Death isn't much of an issue for someone who genuinely believes in the hereafter.

>>2949221

If you convert make sure u convert to a quietist salafi branch. Mainstream Islam is getting quite pozed nowadays.

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>>2950714
reeeeeee stop with the taqiyya, that music was probably made by christians delet this now

>>2950719
there's still lots of nonpozzed stuff outside of s*lafi

>>2949305
Thought it was a verbatim of God's (Allah) word which was transcribed word for word by Gabriel.

any more objections?

>>2949221
It's the most popular religion right now.

Thus it's a normie religion.

>>2950703

Name 1 (one) incidence where a muslim person died at the hands of a non-muslim

>>2950714
Takfiri Ottomans don't count.

>>2949221
Give me one good reason I shouldn't convert to Christianity.

hard mode: no quoting contradictory or verifiably false verses from the bible that I personally interpret to be figurative and otherwise not literal

>>2949221
>>2949259
This, just don't go all wahhabi on us and start hating non-believers.

>>2950952
inb4 crusades

those bucketheads only killed fellow Christians

>>2950990
>just convert to Islam but don't be a Muslim

>>2950952
I too agree that Israel has done nothing wrong.

>>2949233
But what if the truth is wrong?

>>2949645
The main reason is it'll be hell practicing a religion you have no ties to, you'll either be unable to follow the traditions/rituals/etc or just alienate yourself from society. If you're not going to practice it you're better of just reading philosophy related to Islam or whatever religion you want to convert to.

>>2949221
Believing in Islam more than triples your likelihood to post dumb /pol/ shit on /his/

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>>2949221
Thats Imam Shamil

>>2949221
Because religion in general is irrational - organized religion doubly so.
Islam also requires so much work:
>pray five times a day including early in the morning
>no alcohol
>no pig
>fasting on Ramadan
Hardmode Islam:
>pilgrimage
>memorizing the Quran
Not to mention you'd immediately be on the defensive with a lot of people.
Not just the reactionaries who see all Muslims as the enemy but swathes of the Muslim world depending on what sect you follow.
It all just seems to me like a bunch of pointless trouble.
If you seek spirituality then read about various world faiths, further researching those which you find intriguing or agreeable to you. If you seek the communal aspect that organized religion offers then there are many other ways to feel included:
>gaming clubs
>sports
>music
>literature
Honestly though I just don't know why you want to become a Muslim.
What does it offer that you don't have and want or think you need?

>>2950406
So where on this planet is the truth of 1+1 =2 relative?

>>2949221
As long as you don't become a filthy Wahabi, convert so you an escape degeneracy.

>>2950976
>takfiri ottomans

nigger are you trying to trigger me

>>2951702
this desu

>>2949221

The foreskin is proven to be the most sensitive and pleasurable part of the penis, removing it at birth is a brutal and cruel crime which denies circumcised men from fully experiencing life

>>2951291
it's relative to our understanding and acceptance of the rules of math. If these were to change, 1+1 could theoretically come to result in something other than two.

Furthermore, it is also relative to language. It obviously doesn't hold true for someone who can neither understand it in speech nor read it in writing

>>2951938
>not a platonist
>therefore doens't know shit about math
dumbest board

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>>2949221
>you know how god only talks to me? He said I can marry any willing because he wants me to be comfy, isn't that amazing?

because it's prophet was a joseph smith tier conman.

>>2949221
Just as you wouldn't convert to catholicism. It's degeneracy, neither religion is what they were meant to be. They have long been shat on, twisted and turnt to fit it's followers not God.

>>2949221
Because you can't eat bacon.

>>2951938
>Furthermore, it is also relative to language. It obviously doesn't hold true for someone who can neither understand it in speech nor read it in writing
Adding one rock beside another rock isn't two rocks in a caveman's mind?

>>2951020
>no quoting random hadith

>>2949263
Do you get why we don't consider them true ?

>>2951011
>be Christian living peacefully in Jerusalem along with your Jewish and muslim friends
>have a beard
>crusaders come
>you are killed with your friends because you have a beard and look like an infidel

Crusaders were the most autistic warriors in existence

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>islam
a religion that glorifies inbreeding, being retarded, hatred for people who aren't muslim, stoning, cultural isolation and all kinds of other bullshit
islam is a political ideology loosely based off of something that was a religion before, that had a role once
nowadays you can form your own religion that fits your life and you don't need pedo from the 7th century to tell you what's what about life

the only good thing that's come out of the alt-right is shedding light on this issue, though it is a losing one for them ultimately, since it basically is a leftist issue