Lost Cultures/Languages/Ethnicites/Races

>>2932626
The Tocharian people of China.

Swedes.

>>2932635
What happened to them?

>>2932677
TANGed then UHYGURed.

There was a Brythonic speaking population in the south of Ireland until the 9th century. The Irish called their language "Iarmbélre", or "Iron speech", "because of the darkness of the language, and its obscurity and density, so that it is difficult to explore"

While there are many examples of small and, frankly, irrelevant people that have largely disappeared, I'm more interested in the disappearance of entire civilizations and cultural traditions.

For example, the "Mitteleuropa" civilization of the late XIXth and early 20th centuries, the German-speaking, urban civilization of Central and Eastern Europe, that gave us Austrian art, German science and Hungarian and Polish mathematics, has largely disappeared, and nothing remains but a few surviving Habsburg buildings.

The Turco-Persian civilization of the Muslim world is another example of lost urban culture. It once spanned from the walls of Vienna to Bengal, but now even Iran turns its back to it. It remains in Sufi shrines of South Asia, but even this is also disappearing thanks to the pressures of modernization and Islamism.

>>2932706
Speaking of the Muslim world, what were the Berbers like before they were Arabized? I remember reading that the Amazigh Berbers are the closest to the original Berbers before the Islamic Conquests began

>>2932626
Selknam

>>2932626
>Mesopotamia: the entire thread

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>>2932626
Any peoples that could be mentioned here are already better off than the thousands we will never even know existed

>>2932626
can't wait for this to happen to white people

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>>2932626
The Olmecs

>>2932706
>the "Mitteleuropa" civilization of the late XIXth and early 20th centuries, the German-speaking, urban civilization of Central and Eastern Europe, that gave us Austrian art, German science and Hungarian and Polish mathematics
It's called the Austro-Hungarian empire,they haven't been lost to time. This thread is about people like the Cucuteni-Trypilians or the Hwan-guk hyper empire, who have been totally wiped out with barely a trace left.

>>2932786
huh?

>>2932797
But I speak Aramaic. Which hasn't diverged much.

>>2932723
Imazighs is the native term for Berbers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berbers#Name

the Ainus from Japan

>>2933126
Don't worry. San Francisco will always provide refuge for and embrace the Ainus.

>>2933074
All of my ancestors are from the area of where the cucuteni-Trypillian culture was.

>>2932626
There's this one French group on the very tip of my tongue that I can't quite remember. It wasn't the Cathars or the Huguenots. It was a group that we know basically nothing about other than that they were persecuted for some unknown reason. Anyone else know what I'm talking about?

>>2933147
The Occitans?

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>>2932626
The Nuragic civilization.

These people had aqueducts, metal pipes, left behind thousands of stone structures and refined temples,built the massive stone statues predating those of Greece by at least two centuries, they had their own ponderal system and adopted a writing system in their later phases according to the latest studies.

Ancient historians often said that the ancient inhabitants were Tyrrenians/Pelasgians, so I think that they might have been related to the Etruscans, they also found out that in the earlier phases of the Etruscan civilization Nuragic people lived among them in some of the cities by the coasts, those near to the iron deposits.

>>2933152
No no no. I mean we literally know nothing about this group other than they were persecuted and hated. We don't even know what membership of the group entailed, as they seemed to have the same phenotype and religion as their neighbors. The name's just not quite coming to me.

>>2932626
Indus Valley culture.

>>2933158
Are you talking about the Basque? Or is that Spain?

>>2933163
That's Spain, but that's not who I'm talking about. We're not even sure if what I'm talking about was an ethnic group.

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These ones:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimor
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chachapoya_culture
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norte_Chico_civilization

Their languages and cultures have been lost to time, in many cases poorly recorded unfortunately.
Most of what we have left of them are decaying ruins like pic related.

The entirety of pre-Islamic Mesopotamia and North Africa, pre-Slavic Balkan culture, continental Celtic peoples,

>>2933147
Valdensians?

If you could give a time range that would be helpful.

>>2933187
It was sometime during the Middle Ages; sorry, I don't remember anything more specific than that. I would also like to repeat that when I say "we know nothing", I mean we know nothing, other than that you could be born into the group, the group followed the same religion as everyone else, and everyone else hated them extremely. So it's not the Waldensians, who know quite a bit about and who still exist. Damn, now it's really going to bother me until I figure it out.

>>2933147
>>2933158
>>2933167

You're thinking of the Cagots.
I'm inclined to think they're related to the Goths, but nobody knows for sure.

>>2933207
Fuck yes. Thank you.

The Cagots. They were found in southwest France and northern Spain. They were typically required to live in separate quarters in towns called cagoteries,excluded from all political and social rights, were not allowed to marry non-Cagots, enter taverns, hold cabarets, use public fountains, sell food or wine, touch food in the market, work with livestock, or enter the mill, and had to wear special dress identifying themselves as Cagots. They were not an ethnic or religious group, and spoke the same languages as everyone else in their region. We know they did have some unique cultural elements of their own, but everything about that culture has been lost to history or not written down, so now we literally only know that everyone hated them with a passion, but have no idea why or what a Cagot even was. Which is weird since this persecution lasted well into the Industrial Age and the 19th century.

One of the most fascinating unsolved mysteries of history, in my opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solluba

These guys, hypothesized to be Pre-semetic population of Arabia. Only died out during the 20th century

>>2933231
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthyophagi
wat

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>>2932635

Was also gonna say — Tocharians. East side Indo Europeans.

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The Basque fascinate me. They may not be extinct, but they sure do spur thinking about what Europe was like before the Indo-Aryan migrations.

>>2933136
Yes, but do we know what their language was like? What they believed? The structure of their society?

All we know is that they had small cities, wrote in logograms and liked to burn their houses down. For all intents and purposes they're gone.

>>2932626
The Brittonic peoples of England

>>2933244
>they had small cities

they had the largest cities in the world at the time, except modern scholars refuse to call them cities because and I quote "there is no evidence of a social contract".

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>>2933244

Read The Horse, the Wheel, and Language: How Bronze-Age Riders from the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World, a 2007 book by David W. Anthony


Seriously, the first half is pretty much the Trypillian people and literally (the actual use of literal) lists all archaeological sites of theirs and describes them.

>>2933242
Sardinians have very similar customs

>>2933187
See >>2933088

>>2932626
Vazimba. In all likelihood they are more a status than an actual people but I believe they are related to VaDeba/VaDebuli chronicled by the Kilwa peoples as high sea raiders, traders and bringers of the ocean craft.

Their influence is found from Maldives West to Comoros
>>2932626
Gomera has halfies and quarters

Silbo is still used

Use google

>>2932786
Yeah they got fucked over big time, most people don't focus on them though because they aren't like Inca
>>2933075
Your on the fucking internet, stop being a fucking faggot saying "huh" and Google.
>>2933231
No, they are supposedly the oldest but by the time of >>2933235 they had already been over run by East Africans who brought camel and donkey and later again those people were swamped out by Semiticizing speakers

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The Thracians

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>>2933242
>>2933267
In Bulgaria we have the same, with the big bells and sheep fur and all that.

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>>2933383

They certainly had some kickass swords.

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The Tartessians. Little is known about them other than they crafted gold and silver stuff and they traded with Phoenicians. Some say they were indigenous bronze age people, the only sure thing is that they had a particular and mostly unknown culture

>>2933451
They traded with The Sards during The bronze age

White culture.

>>2933461
No such thing has ever existed

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The Principality of theodoro and the crimean goths, a rump state of Byzantium. A couple of Crimean Goths decided WE WUZ BYZANTINES. Crimean goths allegedly existed up until the late 18th-century.

The funny thing is that they outlived Byzantium until 1475 when they were conquered by the Ottomans.

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>>2933242
>>2933394
>not harassing normies while wearing your sheep demon outfit and rattling your belts all over the place
Do you even quirky pagan traditions?
This is in Portugal, by the way.

>>2933480
fuck, i forgot Genoa had one of those funny little Mediterranean colonial empires

There was a land on the modern Dalmatian coast where Slavic pirates made their home. They were the last pagans in southern Europe and their land subsequently named "Pagania" by outsiders. These Narentines were a serious threat to the peoples of the Adriatic sea and were basically the Disc 1 final boss for the Venetians.

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>>2932626
The Cham.

Every time Vietnamese sound high and mighty about their "oppression" under the Chinese, remind them that they themselves annihilated a Hindu-influenced Civilization of Austronesians south of them kek.

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>>2932693
Nah. They were YUEZHIed, XIONGNUed, HANed, and then finally KUSHANed.

>>2932703
That's awesome.

>>2932838
Racist bigot advocating genocide = Nazi.

>>2933203
Cagots?

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>>2933242
castilians are better pagans

id be interested in things that havent been discovered and have no chance of being known, really ramps up em gears

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>>2932626
Teotihuacan. We still don't even know their ethnicity or which language they spoke.

>>2934427
dey wuz black cuz

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>>2933167
>>2933163

There are Basques in both Spain and France.

>>2934766
>mfw there are nogs who would unironically believe that

Going a bit off topic but whats with coons and all this historical revisionism lately?

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>>2932723
Arabization of the maghreb is a meme, your average arab speaking maghrebi has roughly the same dna than your average berber speaking maghrebi.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_North_Africa

>>2934904

They're just getting to the "deluded racial lionization" stage of identity. White people were there too at one time, the black identity in the US is newer in its current form.

>>2932626
White people.

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>>2932626
Onas or selknam.
These creepy fucks are cosplaying in Hell now, all it is left is some mestiza whos mother was a pure blood who married a basque. Kinda sad

>>2934994
Incredible

Left looks like Pikachu

They look like Pokemons, never seen native customs so original

No I get where all those weird "Alien like" cave paintings came from

>>2934988
>whites are a race

American education

>>2933126
Ainus are still around and enjoy a niche popularity like a cultural curiosity. But, most Ainus or partial Ainus hide their ethnicity because Yamato Japanese are so racist.

A better Japanese example might be the Emishi.

>>2935102
>A better Japanese example might be the Emishi.
Why are people on here so retarded?

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>>2934988

CAN YOU FUCK OFF WITH RACE

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST I SWEAR EVERYTHING NOWADAYS IS "HURRR THEY WERE WHITE PPL WE ARE WHITE PPL LOL XDXDXD" AND "NO WE WUZ KINGS DEY BLACK PEOPLE LOLOLOL" LIKE FUCK OFF AND ROT IN A HOLE YA SHITBRAINED WANKER WHERE'S THE LOVE FOR REAL ANTHROPOLOGY

FUCK AMERICA AND EVERYONE THAT HAS EVER LIVED OR IS LIVING IN IT FOR CREATING THIS ABHORRENT FUCKING RACE MEME

>>2933207
>>2933225

Wow, thanks, this is interesting as hell.

>>2935206
Dumb frogposters.

>>2935206
This anon appears to be a member of the Kekian-Amphibid race.

>>2933225
They didn't have leprosy?

>>2935206
lmao sperg

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>>2932626
Why the Gauls of course

>>2932626
>Where did they come from?
Africa

>>2935206
The jews made the race meme too

>>2932626
I was about to post them, then i realised op did it, before the spaniards C O L O N I S E D them, they supposedly had green eyes, the berbers have definately been there longer than the indo europeons have been in europe

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The picts had their own culture unique to others in the area, they were slightly stouter and shorter than other scots, also had a higher concentration of green eyes and red hair, no one knows where they came from or if they had just been there, and of course they painted themselves blue and scared the piss out of the romans

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The Karankawa indians, the best account we have of them is from Cabeza de Vaca who shipwrecked with them, they were 6ft+ unlike the spainlets
Some of their ancestors are still alive, but they are just different shades of black white and spic

>>2935239
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cagot

>Another possible explanation of their name Chretiens or Christianos is to be found in the fact that in medieval times all lepers were known as pauperes Christi, and that, whether Visigoths or not, these Cagots were affected in the Middle Ages with a particular form of leprosy or a condition resembling it, such as psoriasis. Thus would arise the confusion between Christians and Cretins.[3] However, early edicts apparently refer to lepers and Cagots as different categories of undesirables.[7] By 1593 the distinction was explicit. The Parlement of Bordeaux repeated customary prohibitions against them but added when they are lepers, if there still are any, they must carry 'clicquettes'.[9]
>In a study in 1683, doctors examined the Cagots and found them no different from normal citizens. Notably, they did not actually suffer from leprosy or any other disease that would justify their exclusion from society.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l61woIJWLXk

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZmJZU9wEMk

>>2934139
only white people can be racist

>>2933158
You mean the cagots? They fit the bill, considered we know they lived among lepers and had separate sides of the church, but not why it was so.

>>2934948
He means the culture of Berbers has largely been replaced by Arabic culture. I don't think anyone seriously thinks Berbers actually got ARABED.

>>2935497
>Agotes, Pasiegos, Maragatos, Vaqueiros de Alzada...

ayy España

>>2932626
My grandmother's native language was Yiddish, which is now somewhat endangered. Jews are still around though.

Skara Brae or "Greater Ireland" could be interesting

>>2935845
Even if it stopped existing it wouldnt be "lost" as we still would have lots of records on it, and the intact language

>Bohemians
>Sardinians
>North African Berbers

>>2935260
>the future Roman will be of mixed race.
>t. Kalergix

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the first first inhabitants of northeastern canada. theyre so dead that even the succeeding paleoeskimo and beothuk populations that replaced them went fully extinct thousands of years later when europeans and other groups moved in

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>>2933242
same shit in Slovenia

>>2933225
Sounds like the burakumin in Japan.

Samnites and Carthage.

>>2935102
The Emishi are Ainus, they just were on Honshu.

>>2933401
Did swords like that have a specific edge to use? Did people use both edges?

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>>2935325
I'd be terrified too if guy ferri came swinging at me with a sword.

>>2936558
Emishi were just a hunter-gatherer Japanese ethnic group.

>>2935206
FUck you nigger

>>2932706
>For example, the "Mitteleuropa" civilization of the late XIXth and early 20th centuries, the German-speaking, urban civilization of Central and Eastern Europe, that gave us Austrian art, German science and Hungarian and Polish mathematics, has largely disappeared, and nothing remains but a few surviving Habsburg buildings.

hundreds of thousands of them immigrated to the United States, many of the rest died in WW2.

>>2933152
they're still around.

>>2932626
Scythians. They show genetic affinities to both European and East Asian populations, which is interesting.

The Sea Peoples. To know the identity of these sea faring band of peoples.

Taino Indians. I know some people claim they still exist, but I don't think they do. They've been absorbed into the Puerto Rican population.

The Indian tribes from around the Virginia territory, and all the other Indian tribes that are now lost.

>>2933187
>continental Celtic peoples

Brentons and Galacians are still around.

Aquatinians and Lusitanians are sorta still around.

Anglo-Saxons

>>2936662
Bretons are displaced Cornish people
The galacian language no longer exists, and i dont know about the culture

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>>2932626
>Post Peoples or Cultures that have been effectively lost to time for whatever reason be it disease or conquest

Egyptian Paganism...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH5y71hOvk0

The Picts. Apparently only a small percentage of Scottish make DNA is of Pictish origin.

>>2936629
Dude Carib language and culture still exists with Garifuna. African slaves absorb themselves into Carib communities.

>>2936629
Also at least three Virginia tribes still continue showing lineages to English treaties and maintain their land in Virginia.

Most Black Americans with very deep Roots in Virginia have indigenous ancestry.

>>2936629
Taino indian blood has been found in the inhabitants. It doesn't matter that they are mixed, ashkenazi jews are mixed too but that doesnt stop them from being jews, obama was mixed but he was still black. It boils down with the culture you have and what you identify with. I notice this extremely strict standards for identifying with indigenous peoples means you have to have 100% of that blood in you, which frankly no one really does at this point except a few isolated tribes. I don't like to get into conspiracies but I feel it's an attempt to erase that identity by denying people the right to identify with it.

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We don't know much at all about the exterminated negrito population of Taiwan. They were presumably linked to the negritos down south in the Philippines and the rest of southeast Asia, but their language/customs/etc. are all lost.

They are only remembered at all because Taiwanese aborigines have a ceremony marking their final destruction hundreds of years ago. The pic is modern Taiwanese dressed up in the traditional attire for that festival.

There was a mainstream news story on this stuff a few years ago:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-taiwan-pygmies-20130102,0,1662679.story

>Taiwan ritual honors lost tribe of 'small people'

>XIANG TIAN HU, Taiwan — Chu Kuo-sheng danced for 24 hours in the cold mountain rain to draw attention to a seldom-discussed chapter of Taiwanese history. He linked arms with dozens of others, chanted and slowly shuffled across a field.

>About 600 people performed the exhausting ritual last weekend that honors a pygmy-like people, skin as dark as those from equatorial Africa, who Chu's own tribe admits to exterminating in battle between 1,000 and 2,000 years ago.

>The ceremony, called Pasta'ay, is a tribute to a lost tribe of pygmies, who may have numbered 90,000 at their peak and resembled tribes living today in Papua New Guinea. They disappeared, leaving no archaeological records that point conclusively to their existence. But anthropologists believe they were wiped out by other tribes like the Saisiyat, of which Chu is a member.

>The ceremony is held every two years to thank the vanquished tribe for teaching its neighbors how to farm when they shared a steep, forested region of Taiwan just south of today's main high-tech district.

>>2937314
They dont look chinese

>>2937250
>>2937245
>>2937259
Okay, I agree with your point. But a lot about the Taino Indians is now lost. Their language for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta%C3%ADno_language

>>2932626
Someone skipped leg day

>>2938361
Taino is still spoken as is their culture in Garifuna communities. Taino in Dominican still have a reserve and while mixed retain significant cultural markers as well.

>>2933136
Vlachs still burned their houses down when the arable lands around it started losing fertility, then moved further either up- or downstream. We can track the movements of villages in this manner thanks to ancient maps and archeological studies. It might be linked.

>>2938764
Romanians are completely unrelated to the Cucuteni people. We're barely Dacian as it is.

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The Reivers of the debatable lands.

Basically cowboys of the time who lived between england and scotland which was like the wild west in the fact that no one was in 100% control.

The Local Clans of this area would pillage and rule up until about 1530 when king James would ethnically cleanse the area

>>2935206

The race meme is a Teutonic invention.

>>2935358
Supposedly had domesticated coyotes and were tatted up. I live in the area they came from and always look for midden heaps of oyster shells or arrow heads or anything in the woods and salt marshes or brazoria county. I guess with the hurricanes and flooding and what not that stuff washed away long ago

Morlachs, Romance-speaking, Catholic Slavs who were BFF with the Venetias and thrived as long as they ruled the Dalmatian coast. Nowadays only 3 people identify themselves as such.

>>2935358
Native Texan here. The Karankawa actually had bounties put on them in the 1800s so they ended up relocating into West Texas and Northern Mexico. The last known Karankawa died in the 1930s if I recall.

They were also apparently tall as fuck, averaging 6 ft.

>>2934427
All peoples of the Mexico were more or less related. Civilizations were unstable due to violent conflict and environment, but it's not like Teotihuacans inhabitants were all beamed up by aliens. Some wandered into the jungles, some stayed in the area and were absorbed by other city states.

>>2933467
>>2933461

>People think this

>>2932703
>>2933614

It's been said they were pre-Celtic, but they have the same name as a Brythonic tribe that was driven out of Britannia by the Romans.

>>2933225
>>2933207

The Goth theory seems unlikely to me.

"Goth culture" was actually "popular" in the area.
The Catalan language, for example, took many influences. And during the middle ages, most names in the area were of Germanic origin.

I doubt Goths were thought of a separate group, even less at the time of the Cagots.

>>2937679
They're Taiwanese Aborigines. They're Austronesians.

I don't think they are extinct but over 80% of the Dzungars were massacred by the Qing Dynasty. They were Oirats and the last great nomadic empire left in Asia. Their genocide finally ended Mongol power in Inner Asia. The land of Dzungaria was incorporated as part of Chinese territory and re-populated by the Qing with Manchu, Han, Hui, Uyghurs, and Xibes subjects.

>>2942645
So it was basically China's "final solution" to the steppenigger problem that had plagued them for thousands of years.

>>2932677
Assimilated into the local Chinese populace, most likely. Some few ancient Indo-European loan words in modern Chinese would suggest as much at least.

>>2942658
Absorbed by the Uyghur people, to be more specific.

>>2938817
they're living in the appalachians now

can't find the source, but there are appalachians singing songs from word of mouth, passed down through generations that were sung by those borderers in the 1500s

>>2934994
>live in the far south of argentina and peru
>run around naked dressed like some demonic pokemon.

>>2932626
The numerous Native American peoples who were genocided by the Europeans. We know so little about them.

>>2932703
This just proves that there were black people on the British isles, before white people.
WE

>>2937259
>. It doesn't matter that they are mixed, ashkenazi jews are mixed too but that doesnt stop them from being jews
Tell that to Palestinians.
> obama was mixed but he was still black.
Popular misconception. Obama was the first mulatto president, not the first black president.

I remember a thread on these folk being the most popular and always at the top here for a couple days.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture

Apparently they were matriarchal and pretty advanced. Then the PIEs moved in.

>>2932706
Good post. (Urban) Central Europe in the Belle Époque was the best.

>>2932626
Soon: Germanic people.

(((some))) would say it's a good thing.

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>>2932706
i'm crying

>>2939659
>it's not like Teotihuacans inhabitants were all beamed up by aliens.
No one said that.
>All peoples of the Mexico were more or less related. Civilizations were unstable due to violent conflict and environment
Well duh, but that still doesn't answer who they were. So who were they? Nahuas? Otomis (who were there before)? Totonacs?

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>>2943254
Shit, i thought i had the original pic from back when.

>>2943197
>Tell that to Palestinians.

Considering most Israelis are Mizrahi by far, they wouldn't know. Ashkenazi make up a minority of the Israelis. Even the pure Ashkenazim were forcibly turned Mizrahi since it's the only way the Mizrahim wouldn't kill them.

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>>2932626
year:2100
>tyrone:Can you believe these people actually existed?
>jamal: nah man they put hair dye or sumthin

>>2943291
she is wearing contact lenses though, that kinda grey colour does not occur naturally

>>2943313
>that kinda grey colour does not occur naturally
wrong

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>>2935325
>slightly stouter and shorter than other scots, also had a higher concentration of green eyes and red hair, no one knows where they came from or if they had just been there

Prolly more neandertal admixture.

>>2932626
Carthage

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>>2943202
>Apparently they were matriarchal
wew

says who?

> Indeed, it was partially the archaeological evidence from Cucuteni-Trypillian culture that inspired Marija Gimbutas, Joseph Campbell and some latter 20th century feminists to set forth the popular theory of an Old European culture of peaceful, egalitarian

>feminist
>intellectuals
into the trash

>>2943378
delenda est

>>2936560
Choppin' wood Tuesday, slicing out whoreson enemy fetuses on Friday.

>>2943360
Or just poorer nutrition and more inbreeding.

>>2943313
Yes it does, it's really a kind of blue-green though.

>>2943197
One drop, bitch.

>>2932706
>Turco-Persian civilization
What is Azerbaijan.

Although to be honest, they're just the peasant rape-baby scraps leftover...

>>2943313
Maybe not in your basement, but in the real world, it sure does

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>>2935556
You baiting, nibba? I'm yellow and I'm sure as hell we can be racist. My gf's father hates whites. Just look at Asia and all the milenar hate between chinks, gooks, nips and aSEans
Not only yellows are racist, but blacks definetely are, as well. There are (and have always been) innumerous racial conflicts between tribes.
>link to pic related: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/the-pygmies-plight-93401092/

Not to mention the near extinction of the Capoids by the Congoids and the ancient Arab reports of the Zanj (blacks). Just Google it, you'll be wiser.

>>2932626
Come see our pre-Japanese japan thread, we're talking about the almost extinct ainu and the currently nonexistant jomon peoples
>>>2944146

Australian Aboriginals had over 500 different tribes in Australia, only a few languages are left from their culture. Some relatives of mine have been worked on compiling a dictionary on the native language group of where I'm from, Gumbaynggirr.

I got annoyed watching an episode of Q.I. they were talking about Australian slang, then a panelist said something obnoxious like, oh, why don't they have their own language. Before British Settlement, language groups were in the hundreds.

>>2935260
Daily reminder modern frenchies are franks

>>2936746
bretons are the original brits

whites

>>2932651
kek